How do you tell the difference between a rapist simply posing as a trans woman and a “true” trans person?
>>41187694well they probably mentioned it and took real medical steps about it anytime before after getting caught for a crime retard
There isn't. In a normal reality, a true trans woman is someone that actually put in effort to resemble a woman, but now you can be trans with no dysphoria, no HRT, no surgery, no effort into looking female.
>>41187694>Cis misogynists ruthlessly attack JK, >Wonder why JK now has to be defensive all the time
women rape and molest far more than men do, they are the primary caretakers of kids, kids are taught NOT to blame women ever and that they will be hated if they accuse women of misconduct, and that women raping and assaulting men (or other women) isn't a serious mattercourts are reluctant to separate kids from their primary caregivers and also view women as innately innocentRowling is attempting to systematically demonize males as predators (just like trannies are by castrating themselves to atone for the imagined fever sin of maleness), while living in an ensconced castle with security where predators cannot hurt her. I wonder if she ever just goes to a gas station and buys chips to feel normal.
>>41187733There he goes. XD
>>41187694a trans woman isn't just a man who says the words "i'm trans"
>>41187746Well, that's apparently how it works nowBecause, honestly, where else is the cutoff? A "butch" transwoman might just get called a weird guy due to presentation
>>41187746what’s if they perform enough steps to demonstrate they might really be trans, when they just wanted access to women’s and girls’ spaces?
>>41187746This is transphobic by modern standards. You could get shot like Charlie Kirk for saying this around the wrong leftist
>>41187746That's what transmedicalists argued a decade ago and trans activists shut them down and called them transphobic
>>41187776why would they do that if they can just walk into women's spaces without permission anyway?
>>41187694Someone who just wants to live their life in a way that's comfortable to what they think is their authentic self is fine... but they have to do it in isolation, away from women, and avoiding using adjacent language, etc or you're a rapist
>>41187694i'll start caring what women think when they can run a single medium sized company by themselves
>>41187727>>41187765>>41187776Humans evolved as group animals that existed in tribes of people where everybody knew everybody. In such a society, 3rd gender people would simply be recognized by everyone else in the tribe "as what they are" because everyone knows them. They might even be evaluated by elders or some shit and then go through a ritual to "become" the gender they are.However we do not live in communities anymore.Really, what does it mean to be a man or a woman anymore, without reference to being a man or woman of X or Y community? There's a reason everybody just reduces it down to chromosomes, it's because functionally, as we are all basically atomized individuals living in the end times, gender is already abolished. People simply feel a compulsion to self-perform gender in order to coerce others to treat them how they'd like to be treated otherwise.You work out, wear a suit, hope to be called "sir" and thought of as a man. But you do not hunt for the tribe, you do not study the stars, nor do you perform a single rite of the male members of the tribe.Gender is over.Self-ID is merely the attempt of some people to cope with this system when they lack the means, whether spoons of ability, or physical appearance, or basic resources, to perform the individualist performance of gender that causes enough people to gender them as they'd please to be gendered.Rather than being seen as a trans thing, it should be seen more like poverty. Fully passing bimbo-maxxed transdolls and roided-out bearded ftms are always gendered as they'd like to be. Meanwhile, cis people who are *poor* in gender presentation also rely on self-id, without calling it that. They fall back on "I'm a born woman!" to get the validation they seek in our genderless world.The fight over "what constitutes a woman" doesn't affect passoids or cis people who perform the gender they want to larp as either. It only affects the gender-poor.
>>41187694>i assume you're all rapsists, care to respond?call her a nigger
>>41187869I'm pretty sure JK Rowling is richer than you'll ever be
>>41187694The difference is the sexual predator is a sexual predator. If they act like predators you punish them accordingly. Punishing all trans women collectively by excluding them from womens spaces just makes trans women more vulnerable to predators.
>>41187746a trans woman is a man who falsely calls himself a woman to escape the awful social conditions and strict gender role males are faced with
>>41187889thanks to an army of men, yes
>>41187899get a life gincel
>>41187879plz can i read some more
>>41187879plz can i read some more of this
>>41187889thanks to jew- *gets blasted by bong ray*
>>41187694innocent until proven guilty
>>41187899oh my god shut up. men r oppressed by fucking capitalism. and other men. who do u think is enforcing gender roles retard? themselves.moods will never understand what they have and they’ll delude themselves into thinking being mildly uncomfortable as horrible gendered based opression. and not being given sex. which is perceived perceived, BECAUSE OF SOCIALIZATION, as a righteously due and owed deserved thing. being denied that is seen as oppression average retard moid
>>41188304moids* autocorrect
>>41188304capitalism is the will of womenmost consumer spending is done by women
>>41187727this, i think its just a matter of effort. I know some people are fucked by genetics or age of transition to always look like a tranny, but at least if they put in effort they won't look too repulsive and effort always clocks you as "yes, I REALLY wanted this"
>>41187694this is why lived experience, including the lived and living body, is still so important
>>41187694how do you tell the difference between any person and a sexual predator?
>>41187694persistent gender dysphoria diagnosisisnt it obvious? lol
>>41188062>>41188077I'm just your friendly neighborhood high-functioning schizophrenic tranny. Stuff like this is bog-standard for us, we just all are too tired to express ourselves in such a way that the rest of you can understand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHWy_Uou7c4Humans are not individual animals, we literally evolved in groups. A healthy tribe has members who are likely to accept everyone and empathize with everyone, AND those who are skeptical of others, and likely to sniff people out. Every "type" of person, is actually just one of say 100-400 subtypes of human classes that repeat themselves endlessly over and over again throughout society.If a tribe goes from 300 people to 40, it makes sense that for the tribe to continue existing, it has to have a critical mass of people who maintain continued existence even if its suboptimal. So certain roles which are like, 1% of the population are going to be specialist types, while "normies" are just those who make up the plurality of people.It's all really simple when you think about it."transgender" as a label is a western invention and we practice cultural imperialism with it by saying "tribal 3rd gender people are (archaic forms of ) transgender, transgender is the *official real term*" All this because anglos gonna anglo eternally whether they realize it or not. God damn them, seriously.But there have always been *what-we-might-label-as-transgender-today* people in tribal societies, they were just interpreted and called different things.All humans require ritual. To be a man meant something. "I'm a man of xxx tribe" meant something, and it meant something different than "I'm a man of yyy tribe." Quite literally gender "roles." Boys became men and women became girls via ritual. "trans" people would also just simply go through a ritual, and be seen as what they were.3rd genders really aren't a big deal at all in the context of human community.
>>41188372While I agree with most of what you're saying in a way, it'd still be hard for me to believe how in a tribal society (where men actually dtill have to go hunting and where giving birth for women is much more important), a man/woman unable to perform his/her duty would just be accepted because of them having gone through the right ritual. At best, they're a failure, at worst, no (wo)man at all.
>>41187899?What if I transition my sex but dont kall myself a woman
>>41188511What do you mean?A child goes through the ritual to become a man, then they become a man, and performs the duty of being a man.A child goes through the ritual to become a woman, then they become a woman, and performs the duty of being a woman.A child goes through the ritual to become a shaman, then they become a shaman, and performs the duty of being a shaman.A child goes through the ritual to become a (3rd gender role), then they become a (3rd gender role), and performs the duty of being a (3rd gender role).If a man who has gone through the ritual of manhood isn't doing what the tribe expects of him to do as a man, then he is punished, maybe even going through a ritual of becoming a non-person and being killed.Anyways, anthropology has discovered human tribes care for the elderly, woman who are infertile and disabled people. Also in many cultures where there is a 3rd gender, its not considered gay to sleep with 3rd gender people, lol.Don't buy the propaganda that humans are cruel because babylon is cruel.Inshallah one day it will all come crashing down.Ultimate tradition is through progress and ultimate progress is through tradition. The end and beginning shall be the same.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7mI_zP6LcM
>>41188322are you a gay retard and shit
>>41188511>>41188621Sorry maybe I misinterpreted you.Here's a question, why would someone unable to perform the duties of a role go through the ritual of becoming that thing? Every single member of the tribe from peers to elders would know this person and would know whether they were able to do the role or not? It is only because of freak accidents which can be considered divine or because of shirking one's duty to the tribe that such a thing should occur.
>>41187879>>41188372Were what you're saying true, transitioning genders would be nonsensical.>You work out, wear a suit, hope to be called "sir" and thought of as a man.These are the modern day rituals of performing gender, they're just not what you think they should be.
>>41188727I don't get what you mean.A child in a healthy tribe would be identified as showing signs of being different, and they would go through a ritual to become a 3rd gender instead of a ritual to become an adult man or woman like other members of the tribe.>These are the modern day rituals of performing genderThose aren't "rituals" they're just actions. A ritual involves people interpersonally acting together who are agreed on the ritual's significance. A bar mitzva is a coming of age ritual. A wedding is a coupling ritual.I'm not sure if I understand you or you understand me.
>>41188621>>41188684But how would they know what child is able to become a man/woman? They look at their genitals and when they see the child has a penis he will be raised as a man. Sure, the way we view genders and their roles as completely seperate is something new, but I can't imagine a time people didn't differentiate between those that raised and bore children and those that provided (or provided more as women also looked for food when we were still hunter gatherers). Otherwise I completely agree with you.
>>411876943 months of hard psychological diagnosis for dysphoria, minimum. If you don't pass, you are forced to look like your AGAB forever. No hormone therapy or surgery will be given. Go get treatment for your AGP.
>>41188785>A child in a healthy tribePretty sure there were plenty of functioning tribal societies that would just kill any child born with any visible defects to save on resources and because it'd be seen as a sign from above that the kid is bad/cursed/hated.
>>41188785A ritual is a series of actions done in the same way every time, the actions you mentioned compose the broader rituals of performing gender. Just because we may not have a coming of age ceremony or something nowadays, does not mean gender roles don't exist at all. Also, you are ironically doing the exact "cultural imperialism" you were decrying earlier, since not every culture throught history functioned like you expect.
>>41187694actual trans people experience gender dysphoria for their entire lives. it's not that hard to get your head around. people also pretend to be insane so they end up in a psych ward rather than prison, but i've never seen someone attempt to leverage that as reason to dismiss mental illness as a concept or claim that it's impossible to tell who's really mentally ill.
>>41188957woman is not a feeling a man can experience
>>41188968this has nothing to do with what i said
>>41188871>But how would they know what child is able to become a man/woman? They look at their genitals and when they see the child has a penis he will be raised as a man.Everybody knows everybody in the tribe, rituals of "becoming a man" or "becoming a woman" tend not to happen until sometime during puberty usually?Anyways, you don't have to take my word for it. 3rd genders exist in plenty of tribal societies across the world. Not all, but many.>>41188896And there were plenty that didn't do that? Do you have evidence that that's the case for the majority of them?>>41188916>A ritual is a series of actions done in the same way every timeJust because people use the word ritual to describe "my morning before-work ritual" doesn't mean that's what the word means or that's how I've been using it. Why are you playing a dumb semantic game with me?"A ritual is a repeated, structured sequence of actions or behaviors that alters the internal or external state of an individual, group, or environment, regardless of conscious understanding, emotional context, or symbolic meaning."From wikipedia.Anyways, you sure are prone to fight me for some reason while barely trying to understand what I'm trying to say. Are you upset at something?
>>41188983the concept of gender dysphoria implies a man can feel like a woman inside
>>41188995gender dysphoria is the result of a neurological deviation.
>>41188992I'm not fighting anyone, I just disagree with you. The definition you gave is just a more articulate version of mine. It doesn't really matter anyway, since your whole point is that because we aren't leaving boys to fend for themselves in the wilderness anymore, being a man is meaningless. But like I said, there are other ceremonies that serve similar roles in modern society.
>>41189021>saying I feel like a woman inside, but with science-y sounding words
>>41187727this. we are all doomed the moment retards started to break down the definitions in the community.
>>41187727the cissexualisation of trans is inevitable, we became the minority within the minority
>>41189399>science-y sounding wordsso are you intentionally ignoring the substance of my statement or are the words neurological and deviation next to each other actually too complicated for you to understand?
>>41188366What’s stopping someone from just walking into a ymca locker room where little girls are changing, and just say youre trans and expose yourself in there to kids?Thats what’s going on
>>41188957not all trans people have dysphoria
>>41189546>its in your brain!>any substance at allwhere is it in the brain and how do we know thattrannies cannot explain any of the details of their theories and they vanish upon any scrutiny
>>41187694the fact that one rapes and the other does not
The majority of sexual abuse happens by friends and family, not random strangers. You are much more likely to get raped by someone you know than some random person in a public restroom.Society refuses to accept this and thus invents reactionary narratives about "the Other" to cope.
>>41189383I don't think you understood what I was saying.
>>41189578>not all trans people have dysphoriai disagree>>41189581>where is it in the braindon't know>how do we know thatstudies on transsexuality among identical and fraternal twins, studies that show a genetic component, the correlation with autism (another neurodevelopmental disorder), and the cases of david reimer and similar
>>41189663you are such an npcWOMAN IS NOT A FEELING
>>41189672so you don’t feel like a woman?
>>41189672>you are such an npci came to the conclusion that it's a neurodevelopmental disorder on my own>WOMAN IS NOT A FEELINGi never said it was
>>41189723they mean the same thingyou are implying indirectly that some men validly feel like females in their minds
>>41189729>they mean the same thingno they don't. woman is a social group, and people may or may not be naturally inclined to be a member of that social group dependent on their neurology.
>>41189750>woman is a social groupdefined by?
>>41189672woman and man are 100% feelings btwhow would you prove you’re truly a woman/man?
>>41189755>defined by?human neurology. we have evolved to divide ourselves into social groups corresponding to sex, and we a neurologically inclined to be a member of either of them. transsexuality occurs when one's neurological inclination toward being a member of a given group does not align with their sex.
>>41189778majority of cells have a y chromosome - malemajority of cells lack a y chromosome - female
>>41189784but you just keep saying neurology without explaining precisely how they have proved trannies have female brains or what a female brain is or any of that, it's all super vague
>>41189788so CAIS women are men?
>>41189784so you mean like… feelings?
>>41189799ayupsociety calls feminine men women to avoid admitting outright that men can be feminine
>>41189797>but you just keep saying neurology without explaining precisely how they have proved trannies have female brainsi mentioned several pieces of evidence, but you called me an npc and moved on. david reimer was a boy who had a botched circumcision, and, on the recommendation of one john money, was raised as a girl. as he grew older he developed, essentially, reverse gender dysphoria, because despite his upbringing he was neurologically male.>inb4 "but he was abused"it is on you to demonstrate how abuse would result in him becoming aware of or desiring to be his birth sex. additionally, he is not the only child who experienced this kind of intervention, and among a majority who did gender dysphoria was observed. the best explanation for this is gender in the brain.>>41189811>so you mean like… feelings?it's as much a 'feeling' as something like autism is a feeling. if that's the word you'd like to use, that's your prerogative i guess.
>>41189897>i mentioned several pieces of evidenceyou can't explain what they mean or how they support your point"here read this book" is not a fucking argument
>>41189897autistic brains are measurable though, they behave in different patterns than neurotypical brainswomen and men, not so much, its probably chemistry
>>41189897i'm literally a transsexual but you're aware the whole "swapped brains" thing is like totally disproven right? the study i *think* you're referring to has a massive number of exceptions, literally the only point was that transgender people possess that neurological difference at a higher rate, not that it's what causes dysphoria
>>41189659I don't think anyone did.
>>41189931>you can't explain what they mean or how they support your pointi literally just did>>41189950>autistic brains are measurable though, they behave in different patterns than neurotypical brainsresearch on variation in the gender dysphoric brain is limited, and it's very possible that the difference is subtle. that being said, i don't think there's a better explanation for transsexuality itself as well as the cases of david reimer and the like than my theory.>>41189951>i'm literally a transsexual but you're aware the whole "swapped brains" thing is like totally disproven right?yes, but that is not what i'm referencing. i don't think transgender people's brains are equivalent to their cisgender counterparts, just that their neurological inclination toward being a member of either sex-based social group is reversed.
>>41188372the world needs more schizo tranny voices
>>41190009don’t get me wrong, i also am in favour of this theory, its just that it’s not excludent that the feelings are a consequence of fine brain difference
>>41188366On X, this type of transmedicalism will get you called Adolf Chudler
>>41188188outie until proven innie
>>41187694>>41187818>>41188880if you actually wanted to fix this issue instead of using it as justification to hurt people you don't like, you would make estrogen available OTC so no one has any excuse for not being on HRT.social transition before physical transition is insane and somebody actively choosing to go in that order is much more likely to have ill intent, but it's the route gatekeepers encourage.
>>41190511>OTC HRT will make predators easier to spotAre you actually retarded? That would make them completely impossible to tell apart from real trannies.
>>41190841no it wouldn't, because predators wouldn't be on estrogen
>>41190841the predators pretending to be trans don't want to take estrogen, because they don't actually have gender dysphoria, don't want their bodies to change, and don't want to lose their libido and have their dicks stop working.
>>41190841>predators take estrogen and lose sex drive while likely chemically castrating themselves >this is somehow a problem
>>41187879Trvth nvke
>>41190511Exactly. Rapists want a "get out of male prison" card, trans people want transition. We should provide the second, not the first.
>>41187746Yes she is! :D
>>41187694the 4+ year waiting list, year of psychoanalysis and hrt that is standard in the UKif someone says they're trans without taking HRT or doing anything, then yes you have right to be suspiciousthe acceptance of nonmedical self-IDers has been ruinous for the rest of us
>>41190841while I agree that OTC HRT is a bit much, I think you overestimate how many predators would actually take HRTreverse gender dysphoria is real
>>41190841Why would predators go trans in the first place?
>>41187694its so crazy how theres been like 10 million cases where someone has raped someone then said "im trans" and everyone claps and they go free and the tranny rapist gets given 500 thousand dollars (from the taxpayer ofcourse) for being stunning and brave and valid
>>41187694Go away Joanne, you're not fooling anyone
>>41190879>>41190899>sex predators who are prepared to jump through all these other hoops for underage cunny definitely won't strog themselves thoExplain the masses of predators already in the trans community who have done just that in spite of the higher current barriers to getting it
>>41189650This whole conversation is because of the actions of random strangers.
>>41187694You don’t need to, just get rid of sex segregation and stop pretending it’s necessary.
>>41187694Rapists aren't stopped by a sign on a door.
>>41195143Confirmed for childlessConfirmed for penis owner
>>41187694srs
>>41195148The only way to stop a bad penis owner is with a good penis owner
>>41187694not necessary, because rape is illegal for trans women to doas for rapists in women's prisons, trans women have only been permitted in women's prisons if a panel of experts has judged them to not be a danger to fellow inmates. the idea that there are massive amounts of rape happening by trannies in women's prisons is entirely made up, which is why you haven't heard of a single case of a tranny committing rape in prison
>>41187694Like any demographic, u dont!I found a writer who is a pedoJk rowling is a writerTherefore she is a pedoThis is her maximum brainpower
>>41187694You could say the same thing a about any demographic. You can tell the same way you always can. By using all the analyzing and judgment you always use. She likes to imagine all men are bad and rape is an epidemic when neither could be further from the truth.She's going out of her way to choose hate over love.
>>41195546well she does like writing about a secret place abused/neglected children are taken to learn all sorts of magic and witchcraft and wizardry. sort of like stephen king.think about it..
then they make a movie about it.. and then this happens irl...
