I hate when this happens
>>41189264how’d u get rid of it at all?t. agp and trying to get rid of it
>>41189312taking estrogen made it go away but it comes back every few months and I start wanting to be a woman again
>>41189378yeah unfortunately same :( i can somewhat suppress it for weeks at a time but then it comes back fully & retarded fantasies about wanting a husband & kids too etc still trying to figure a way to get rid of it entirely
>>41189264>>41189312>>41189378balance is key. do not repress your femininity. you probably don't need a full transition but the thoughts will never go away. indulge in your fantasies without shame
>>41189378doesn’t estrogen make you a woman though?
>>41189670yea same when my agp hits I start fantasizing about a whole different life as a woman but thankfully after a few days I come back to reality and see myself as a normal cis male, its all very confusing tho>>41189736no, its just a hormone
So do you take hrt for a couple months to get jt out of your system? Or take it forever and be a manmoder
>>41189763yeah but its woman hormoneit makes your body like a woman
>>41189782I take it consistently but I’m not a manmoder just a cis dude struggling with agp>>41189790>it makes your body like a womanlol no
>>41189724AGPs hate this ONE TRICK to delete all shame INSTANTLY
>>41190038unironically has worked for me. connecting with both the masculine and feminine aspects of my psyche has been incredibly beneficial.
>>41189724indulging in fantasies basically means transitioning tho if thats ur only sexuality
>>41190516Could also just mean crossdressing....
>>41190599crossdressing made it worse for me, you either give in fully or repress completely
>>41190599not the anon but crossdressing just disgusts me and triggers dysphoria because how i look and makes it worse, taking estrogen in secret and resisting the thoughts best way i found for somewhat results
>>41189782>So do you take hrt for a couple months to get jt out of your system?not op but i keep taking hrt then backing outi wouldn't reccomend
>>41190978Yeah this is my second run of it and I'm wondering why I bother again.
>>41191947>local woman wonders why only known treatment for her neurological condition is workingmore news at 11
>>41192874just bc a man likes being on estrogen doesn’t mean he is trans
>>41193013True. I just can’t stop atp but I never wanted to be a woman or wish I was cis
>>41193013lmao okay bub keep telling yourself that.
>>41193079hormones aren’t gender!!!!! no one but tttt thinks like this
>>41189312You can't, any more than a gay person can stop being gay.Instead of getting depressed about it, maybe you should enjoy it for what it is?
>>41193617>you should enjoy this horrible fetish that makes you want to ruin your life
>>41193632Its a sexual orientation, you will feel love and idealization as well.Besides, is it really so bad to feminize yourself?
>>41193642yes, you are ruining your body and reputation for a fetish. Fetishes like this are meant to be repressed, you wouldn’t be encouraging ppl to give in to their amputation fetish
>>41193775AGP is not a fetish, it was never outlined as a fetish, it is an autosexual orietnation.>you are ruining your body and reputationHow? "Bodily ruin" is a subjective concept, as an AGP, your subjective tastes are pointed towards being feminine, and if they aren't, either the AGP isn't very strong, or you're repressing.As for reputation, while it is true that some will look down on you, people pursue romance all the time at the expense of reputation, it goes further as an AGP, because the only woman you will ever really love is yourself.To not pursue your AGP desires ever is to reject all romance and eroticism, as sexual beings, that is a hollow and depressing existence.
>>41193775>>41193829As for apotemnophiles, if it makes them happier, it is the proper choice to pursue amputation.
>Another "cis male taking estrogen" larp thread
>>41191947yeah i want to be serious this time and i regret stopping
>>41193829Blanchard was wrong. The only reason why those old theories are pushed here is because the board is primarily /pol/ astroturfers and autistic MTFs that can’t tell when they’re being gaslit by anonymous posters on the internet. Generally speaking, fetishes are the result of unmet needs being psychologically sublimated into sex (need to be female > can’t be female > coom to being female). It’s a symptom, not a cause or a sexual orientation.
>>41196003What about children demonstratic autogynephilic behavior before conscious repression is even possible? What about analloerotic AGPs? Why doesn't AGP disappear after transition?
>>41193829the male body wasn’t meant to be feminized ergo it is being ruined whether you enjoy it or not>>41193842absolutely insane
>>41196204>the male body wasn’t meant to be feminized ergo it is being ruined whether you enjoy it or notThe male body isn't "meant" to do anything, since it is not a product of intentional, intelligent design.>absolutely insaneNo counterargument I see.
>>41196196All wrong. I’m not sure why you believe that children can’t repress. Unconscious repression is still repression and absolutely exists. Demonstrating cross-sex behavior is not inherently autogynephilic. Trans is not equal to autogynephilia, only in Blanchard’s framework is that the case. I think that Analloeroticism combined with AGP only validates that AGP is a symptom of a core self-identity issue. AGP is often reported as disappearing entirely post-transition which is why Blanchard had to reclassify it from a paraphilia to an “orientation” just to patch up his own incomplete theories, so I don’t know where you got that from either.
>>41196269Exceptionally young children cannot, and yet do demonstrate cross-gender behavior, despite having developed a male core gender-identity.>Trans is not equal to autogynephilia, only in Blanchard’s framework is that the case.Strawman, AGP is just one path to trans.>I think that Analloeroticism combined with AGP only validates that AGP is a symptom of a core self-identity issue.How?>AGP is often reported as disappearing entirely post-transition which is why Blanchard had to reclassify it from a paraphilia to an “orientation” just to patch up his own incomplete theories, so I don’t know where you got that from either.Libido is reduced, but romantic feelings are not.
>>41196215It shows the insane conclusions of extreme positions on individual rights. People don’t always want what’s best for themselves, sometimes they even want to intentionally ruin their lives and apotemnophilia is an obvious example of that and society shouldn’t be supporting people’s self harm
>>41196371Society doesn't exist outside of your head, individuals do.
>>41196381society facilitates your transition, you couldn’t do so without the help of the medical industry
>>41193879I wish it were a larp…
>>41196396"Society" is not a moral actor, it is an abstract concept, you're saying "society shouldn’t be supporting people’s self harm", but who is "society"? To say nothing of the other two questions:Why shouldn't it?How can you say its self harm?
>>41196441it’s self harm bc its making your life measurably worse. And society is the people and institutions that govern your life, you need their approval to transition, it’s not like just being a faggot which doesn’t require a whole pharmaceutical industry
>>41196329>Exceptionally young children cannot, and yet do demonstrate cross-gender behavior, despite having developed a male core gender-identity.You’re not being very clear here, I’m not sure what your argument is.> Strawman, AGP is just one path to trans.In a sense I agree with this in that some transwomen have AGP and some don’t. However, the idea that all transwomen are either HSTS/AGP/AGAMP is wrong. A miss-classification of the same dysphoria based on symptom presentation and age.> How?Because despite being aromantic/asexual and not needing to relieve sexual stress related to external attraction they clearly are still struggling with their own gender independently of sex with other people.>Libido is reduced, but romantic feelings are not.Again I don’t agree with that framework at all. They’re not romantic feelings in AGP. They’re sexual feelings to relieve stress caused by their self and their identity being misaligned. Even in Lawrence’s own reporting the AGP specifically goes away. Not just a reduction in libido. The gender stress is diminished through transition. It seems to deprive the fetish of oxygen as the psychological need becomes more effectively met.
>>41196480>it’s self harm bc its making your life measurably worseQuality of life is subjective, you can't know if someone amputating their legs is actually making their life worse.>And society is the people and institutions that govern your life, you need their approval to transitionI'm going to assume you mean this descriptively; Its not true, you only need a supply of drugs to transition, not the approval of "the people and institutions that govern your life". This is the problem when you resort to collectivist reasoning by invoking "society", because humans are fundamentally individuals, it breaks down easily.
>>41196503>You’re not being very clear here, I’m not sure what your argument is.Sorry, phrased it poorly, meant to say that many very young children, who are not yet capable of repression, conscious or unconscious, demonstrate cross-gender desire or behavior, despite having developed a male core gender identity.They identify as boys, grow up, hit puberty and with the increase of sexuality in their lives, come to identify as female over time.>In a sense I agree with this in that some transwomen have AGP and some don’t. However, the idea that all transwomen are either HSTS/AGP/AGAMP is wrong. A miss-classification of the same dysphoria based on symptom presentation and age.I think there is more going on than HSTS/AGP/AGAMP, I don't know exactly what though, but I think the etiologies are different, as I said before, AGPs have core male gender identities.>Because despite being aromantic/asexual and not needing to relieve sexual stress related to external attraction they clearly are still struggling with their own gender independently of sex with other people.I don't see the connection between that and arousal at being the other sex.>Even in Lawrence’s own reporting the AGP specifically goes away.Where do you get that? Because Lawrence and Blanchard hold the view that AGP matures like any other sexual orientation, progressing from being primarily erotic to primarily romantic, and that these romantic feelings persist post transition.>The gender stress is diminished through transition.I agree with this part, AGPs do develop a cross-gender identity, which often leads to dysphoria.
>>41196573> Sorry, phrased it poorly, meant to say that many very young children, who are not yet capable of repression, conscious or unconscious, demonstrate cross-gender desire or behavior, despite having developed a male core gender identity.They identify as boys, grow up, hit puberty and with the increase of sexuality in their lives, come to identify as female over time.Sure, sexuality and a more adult concept of gender and identity can be a trigger to discovering that you are trans.> I think there is more going on than HSTS/AGP/AGAMP, I don't know exactly what though, but I think the etiologies are different, as I said before, AGPs have core male gender identities.Identity is very complex and discovering that you are trans is by definition an identity crisis. The ideal self and the real self are often different. They may have had a male identity, but much of it artificial. An unresolved identity vs role confusion. Add in all the male socialization and defensiveness of a late transitioner and it can be hard to untangle.> I don't see the connection between that and arousal at being the other sex.Read my points about where fetishes come from and what purpose they serve.>Where do you get that? Because Lawrence and Blanchard hold the view that AGP matures like any other sexual orientation, progressing from being primarily erotic to primarily romantic, and that these romantic feelings persist post transition.This is the patch job I referenced. The reported dissipation of AGP during transition contradicted Blanchard’s initial view of it as a paraphilia, so they had to find an alternate explanation via it being an “orientation” and maturing into being “romantic” in order to avoid invalidating their own theory. No serious clinician uses this shit anymore. It’s relegated to fringe internet circles and social conservatives who simply do not want trans people around.
>>41193013means he is retarded and so are you jesus how does it get to this point
