I’m sorry, but transphobia against FtMs is such a joke. Like you look at the average MtF and we look like escaped mental patients from a 80’s movie, none of us pass, none of us look put together, none of us act like normal people, at least I get the transphobia against us. But you look at someone like libsoftiktok trying to make some sort of angry post about a trans guys like “DO YOU REALLY WANT A FREAK LIKE THIS TEACHING YOUR KIDS” and it’s just… a picture of a dude. Literally feminine gay men look creepier. Yeah you have your no effort Gaidens but like, they’ll get on t eventually and be a normal guy. It just feels so forced, like these people feel like if they don’t attack trans guys too they can’t attack us. Anyway sorry trans guys you just look like normal moids desu. It’s very cute when you guys post pooners to make us feel less alone, but it’s cool you guys should just accept the fact ygmi.
>>41192000>escaped mental patients from a 80’s movie, none of us pass, none of us look put together, none of us act like normal peopleI think FtMs look like this as well, but there's such a disparity in how we view men who are out of line vs women who are out of line.I've never felt intimidated by a mentally ill woman, I don't feel nearly as nervous around female crackheads, I don't feel like I am in danger when a woman is angry. I have all sorts of different feelings about it, but I would not feel more threatened by the worst woman than I would feel when I face a man in a bad mood.FtM discrimination is indistinguishable from misogyny. The core of misogyny is not hatred, it is the dismissal of independence or personhood. Women are children, men are the root of good and evil. Which I think is really funny, as the narrative is that trannies are mentally ill, it's some kind of social contagion, and these talking points are more applicable for trans men, yet trans women will forever be the image in transphobic propaganda.
>>41192000Transphobia is generally really stupid
>>41192000>It’s very cute when you guys post pooners to make us feel less alonePretty much how i feel about it. I mean most of the typical 'pooner' art is gross and nobody looks like that but yeah
>>41192000No i fucking hate every single one of you and i never even want to breathe the same air let alone be near you in anyway. You are all mentally fucked and i want nothing to do with u. Fucking literal stalker harasser freaks. Why dont u go pretend yer a man in war again and get raped in the barn?
>>41192000Pooners are actually fucking filthy you're just delusional.
>>41195748Pooners are the best boys
>>41195787Uwuuu i luv tbois XX vagina AFAB bottom omegas !!! Please kill yourself.
>>41192073pretty much
>>41192000why tf would anyone wanna become a guy
>>41192000As a pansexual I love and accept ftms for who they are which is why I encourage them. they are heckin valid men even without hormones top or bottom surgery. Feels good to be a trans ally
>>41196472To make life easier
>>41192000I don't think you get it. Before that one dood shooting up the chirstfag kids, your average normie knew nothing of FTMs. Maybe heard of chazz bono, but couln't tell the difference between them and butch lesbians. >>41192073They're not seen as physical threats in the same way. Short dudes get ignored all the time.
>>41195800>t.jelly bitter fag
>>41192000Ftm transphobia is just saying they're as women, not inhuman freaks like mtfs. Though most pooners who don't look like cis women get some misplaced mtf transphobia
>>41196472Why would anybody want to be a fucking woman.
>>41196550I don't like that I can't even talk to trannies W/o being treated like a female. I transitioned to be a male & not to be some yaoi caracature of one.
>>41196502average pansexual
>>41196508It doesn't get easier, especially if you're a """"gay"""" transman trying date bio gay men
>>41192000>>41192073its so fucking over, we are so doomed.
>>41198389It does get easier just gave up on dating altogether
>>41192000>us
>>41200472No, it means we legitimately have privilege over MtFs. Being unseen, having relatively simple HRT needs, being viewed as both worthless, yet of higher intellect for seeking masculinity (Femininity=stupid and retarded), are all way better than being seen as a rapist if you were to be MtF. There's still a lot of discrimination that can occur, and family life isn't any better for FtMs, but statistically MtFs face greater barriers for employment and face FAR greater violence after transitioning.Yeah, if you don't pass very well, you will probably be seen as mentally ill or a delicate flower swaying in the breeze. But FtMs pass better than MtFs, even if an FtM barely gets results, because of how we perceive what a woman Should be (very narrow) and what a man Can be (The default for humanity)My heart goes out to the girls...
>>41201098i'm dooming even harder...but thats reality, a sad one.
>>41201174>>41201098I'm worried due to these posts altho I largely agree 100% Abt the dislike for MTF vs FTM/theyfab and so onHowever I wanted to ask, do you believe a MTF can ever look genuinely female and pretty?
>>41201209Oops sorry I'm not the OP I had the name left from a different threadI ask also since OP said all trans look male
>>41201174Ah, I thought you were FtM.It's not over.... There is love in the world waiting for u...>>41201209YeahThere's nothing wrong with trans women, they're no less capable of being pretty and female. People are just assholes.
>>41201270Hmmm u think so? I was talking about biology/appearance. Cause OP mentioned how trans MTF look male as did the other poster.
>>41197781You will never be a man, you're just a confused breedable vaginaboi who needs impregnation
>>41201298I am assuming you are underagedThey're biased against their own group. imho, FtMs don't physically pass better than MtFs. But how we view gender shifts in favor of FtMs. Even with 0 testosterone exposure, women can pass as young men. Does this mean T is much moar powaful?!?! No, society has a far more narrow view of women. Not breedable = not female. Testosterone does not suddenly make you look averagely male, it depends on the person and their lifestyle. Same for estrogen.
>>41201348In summation FtMs do pass better on average, however it is exaggerated to what degree, and all hope is not lost for MtFs.
>>41201348I don't believe most of all FTM physcially pass.I know Abt estrogen. I was asking a more complicated question. Basically do any MTF look actually female and pretty or do they all look male as described in the op posts and political talk here>>41201098>>41192073So I suppose my question in your phrasing would be so any MTF actually look female and "breedable"
>>41201378Yes. MtFs can pass.
>>41201315What do you hope to gain by saying this even.
>>41201388But I mean actually look female biologically/genuinely not just "pass"? Also I mean what Abt what OP and the other poster said about how trans look like scary men and escaped mentally ill men mental patients. Do you think this is true?
>>41201407YES!!! MtFs can look like female xx wombyn!
>>41201407some get really lucky, especially if they start early enough for puberty to not do its thing. Most trannies I have seen in real life look likeA: incredibly cute androgynousB: Someones mom but fucking giant with weird tits (archetypical hon)I haven't seen balding rapehons in public in years
>>41201422Hmmm ok. Are you sure? Look the same as, and not just "like"?I just got a bit concerned due to some posts earlier. I don't mean to spam on it.Looking female doesn't erase estrogen access issue but it erases the others.
>>41201432Girl are you actually 16You will make it take your estrogen stay in school take on da wurld or whatever
>>41201444No I'm actually oldish and have been taking hrt for 9? years or so and got an "axe wound" etc. I have put a lot of study into this topic in the past but got worried due to seeing the posts about how MTF look like crazy shooters/men because I've seen some lately in the media and I worried that might be how they all look. And thus how I must look maybe, truly. Not to spam.I had some ways to solve this but I had to put it on hold due to personal reasons.
>>41192000The transphobia is supposed to be the dismissal and avoiding ftm existence, not directly making fun of them. Something about "patriarchy" not being able to acknowledge them because>ftm earned manhood through money, time, strained relationships, effort, risking opportunities >if there are men who "earned" manhood, what does that say about those who did not "earn" manhood from scratch?So their existence is met with dismissal, minimization, or complete avoidance because it highlights how most men are handed manhood without having to put in similar effort. Cis men can't celebrate the idea of a woman "earning" manhood because most never earned it themselves.
>>41201407>biologicallyyes nona, estrogen dominant bodies are different from testosterone dominant bodies. even taking medical exams you have to account for that.
>>41201705Oh but I meant look indistinguishable from female and pretty. Not just "estrogen dominant".
>>41201348>No, society has a far more narrow view of women. Not breedable = not femaleNit true. Ugly women are seen as females also
>>41201428I have never seen a cute tranny and considering what kind of people get called cute on this board, you might have really low standards
Dated a lot of cute FTM guys in my time. I usually go for bearish daddy types. My body count is quad digit range but if there is one trans guy in a club I gravitate to him and treat him like a man. It works. I only like maybe 1% of guys in general. He is still my man. Had a great date last week. I dont think a cis guy is any better or worse for any reason. I could give zero cucks what society thinks. Insecurity is what destroys ourselves from the inside. Courage is sexy.
>>41192000transphobia against ftms shows how we infantalize women and transphobia against mtfs shows that we expect men to "know better"
