Should people with either AGP, MEF, or a sissy fetish take HRT and or transition? Do you consider them women? Should they have access to women's spaces?What causes these fetishes to arise versus "normal" transsexuality?
No. They shouldn't. They if anything should fuck off because they're bad for public image of real trans women
>>41194965>bad for the public imageI feel like conservatives hated trannies regardless of optics.
>>41194959I have an AGP/MEF/sissy fetish, no interest in transitioning or accessing women's spaces lol
>>41194973Do you take HRT?What does your ideal life look like?
>>41194970im not american i dont put up with bullshit MAGAcons, ive met plenty of trans accepting conservatives
>>41194959As an MEF transitioner I dont recommend it, I lost my fetish and it's very painful psychologically like a lobotomy. I'm quitting soon again.
>>41194978>Do you take HRT?No.>What does your ideal life look like?Much of my ideal life is unrelated to this kink lol.But within this context, I've dressed up in lingerie and worn chastity cages while getting fucked by men, and now I have a fiancee who's into it and has put me in a cage and dressed me up. I'd just wanna do it more and also bring men into bed with us. Escalate it a bit.
>>41195000Why do you post here?Why not take HRT?Is this MEF thing only a fetish thing for you?
>>41195122>Why do you post here?I am bisexual (into men, women, and tranners) so I fall under lgbt. I generally don't post in trans threads as I'm not T, but this thread asked about sissies.>Why not take HRT?No interest. I have no issues with being a guy and it would impede a lot of things in my life for no real benefit for me.>Is this MEF thing only a fetish thing for you?Yes.I think that's what's confusing to a lot of people here about sissies or whatever. I don't consider myself a woman, it's just fun and hot. Having it be a secret and contrast from my regular life just adds to the arousal.
>>41194959it's literally just repression and coping so yeah the underlying cause is just normal transsexuality
>>41195166Nice dubs, sissy. <3For someone confused, how would they know if it's just a fetish or something they want full time?
>>41195166>into men, women, and trannersAnd so the AGPoid aka pornsick straight man shows his true ugly colors
>>41195196>yeah the scale doesn't exist they should all become HONS! THEY ARE ALL VALID! WE LOVE THEM!
>>41195293>Nice dubs, sissy. <3Thanks lol>For someone confused, how would they know if it's just a fetish or something they want full time?I'm not sure, I've never really been confused about it. I've always been happy as a guy; I like being athletic; and I like how I look nude, how I look in normal clothes, and how I look in lingerie. Tranners could probably answer the question better.
>>41195329unironically if they drop the repression and weird sissy copes they'd just become normal women
>>41194959No. They are not women. And no.
>>41194959i thought i was these things but now i realise im jsut transitioning because i hate myself and transition is a form of self-harm to differentiate myself further from everybody as an obvious freak that should be hated and abused
>>41194959I thought my AGP was a fetish once, I would masturbate to feminization, gender bending and so on, and it always went away after orgasm, until it didn't. I developed a sense of "rightness" when taking on a female identity, sure the erotic desire would go away post-orgasm, but I still wanted to be a woman, I would subconsciously identify with female imagery, my mind would vacate my body and occupy a beautiful woman.I would start to feel sick when pressed into a male gender role, dissociate when I look in the mirror and become obsessively anxious when I'm not preoccupied.I realize now that my AGP was the seeds of my female gender identity, feminizing my self image until I didn't recognize myself in the mirror any more.So to answer your question, yes, I do think that AGPs should transition, but only in the late stages, as it may plateau before a full cross-gender identity forms.
>>41194959>Should people with either AGP, MEF, or a sissy fetish take HRT and or transition? If they thoroughly think about this and the benefit outweights the potential health risks, yes, why not.> Do you consider them women? Should they have access to women's spaces?No. Biology is settled. They are men, effeminate men.>What causes these fetishes to arise versus "normal" transsexuality?How your family treated you when you were a baby/toddler
>>41197883>How your family treated you when you were a baby/toddlerIn what way?
Anyone dysphoric should transition. That's the definition of a transsexual.
>>41195315but if the guy fucked men would that make him not straight?
>>41195807Fetishes are often unmet needs being psychologically sublimated into sexual activity. It sounds like you were just trans and AGP was just a cope, your feelings about your gender just unmasked themselves over time. AGP isn’t a driver of anything besides cooming. A stress release. This view of fetishes “transforming” people and hijacking their identity is completely backwards.
>>41194959I'll answer because I'm an unapologetic sissy MEF (With dysphoria as a secondary symptom)>Should MEFs transition?Yes we often will enjoy transitioning the most and are less likely to self harm or suicide if we don't pass.>do you consider them women?Transitioning is about trying to get as close as you can to passing as a woman. Expecting a trans woman to be completely identical to a cis woman is almost delusional, outside of youngshit edge cases.>should they have access to women's spaces?I think if they have legal documents reflecting the correct sex, then yes. There should be some basic medical requirements for legal sex change as a safeguard. Requiring castration is probably what I would favor.>what causes these fetishes to arise vs. Normal transsexuality?Loaded and subjective question. For starters, "fetishes" as you call them are clearly more common and therefore normal than "pure" (pre puberty) transsexuality. Secondly you assume they're mutually exclusive. The opposite is true: transsexuality and trans adjacent fetishism are in fact correlated. They exist on a spectrum not as discrete categories. Finally, the presumption that sex = bad while suffering from dystopia and suicidal ideation is noble and sympathetic simply reflects a western, Christian set of assumptions. If someone needs glasses, you wouldn't care whether their poor vision makes them depressed or if they're happy because they have always wanted glasses, you just test them, make recommendations, and then let them buy what they want. Same for orthodontia, or chiropractor.Transsexualism is a fundamentally mundane and banal condition and caring about other people's sex lives is silly. The entire political issue is bait to distract you from foreign wars, a shitty economy, and elderly demented politicians.
>>41195807beautiful, isnt it? absolitely frightening, yet mesmerizing, irresistible, poetic, magical, inspired... you were touched by divine feminine. its a blessing even tough it might seem like curse. past is retconned, dont worry..
>>41198088What if someone has an abdl sissy fetish but also likes non sexual ageplay stuff but likes being treated like a little girl in that state...
>>41198170>Transsexualism is a fundamentally mundane and banal condition and caring about other people's sex lives is silly. The entire political issue is bait to distract you from foreign wars, a shitty economy, and elderly demented politicians.I agree with a lot of your post, but to normal people, they are worried about le trans boogieman having access to women's spaces. What would you say to them?
>>41195807How do I know if my AGP is similar?
>>41198412Yes, psychologically rooted. Maybe get a qualified therapist?
>>41198443What i would say to someone with this view is that i respect your position on bathrooms and feel free to vote for that, but that bathroom gender policy shouldn't be automatically tied to trans people getting medical care privately under the care of a physician because we all want personal freedom and medical privacy.Basically the only reason bathrooms or sports are an issue is because it's always linked to the more serious issues of access to medical care for all trans people. That's the part that is purely cynical and political-- because of the hypothetical bathroom creeper, all trans people must be banned from trans medical care and the doctors should be punished. So I'd ask them to compromise on the medical issue by pointing out that they're actually completely unrelated issues.Even legal gender change isn't strictly necessary for trans people, especially with gay marriage being legal. The only reason it becomes and emotional existential crisis that neither side can give ground on is because it is always framed as banning trans existence on a medical level, and that's exactly what politicians want to make it a wedge issue that they can milk for attention again and again. Hopefully the average person can see that's just a con.
>>41198571i would say it always is. what differs between cases is strength and kind of trauma, repression, shame and guilt. oh and degree of agp coomerism but its least important part in itself.
>>41194959I definitely have MEF but it isn't like an all-encompassing tumor that makes me a psycho or controls my life, I take hrt but it's completely separate from MEF for me, I don't get horny when I do my shots, I don't get horny over the effects.really I think a lot of trans people have MEF to some degree, but it doesn't always define who they are.
>>41198443nta but I'm going to butt inThis is a conversation I would actually prefer to have with someone irl assuming that they are at least somewhat empathetic people.Their concern is sexual predators abusing women. I would say immediately that of course I obviously do not want that to happen at all and that everyone should be protected from abuse and abusers should be punished severely. I would ask them to let me frame my concern into the conversation as well. I believe trans women are also vulnerable to abuse from predators; I think it's even very likely that they are *more* vulnerable to abuse from predators than normal women. I would ask them to acknowledge that my concern is also valid and deserving of serious consideration when approaching this topic. If they can't do that then I don't think we have any common ground. If they can, I think we can discuss each others concerns and at least gain something from the conversation.Ultimately my understanding is that extending the protection of womens spaces to people who identify as trans women would not cause an increase in the rate of sexual abuse suffered by women, but segregating trans women and de facto excluding them from empathetic protections will ultimately cause them to suffer far more harm. I think, by nature the vast majority of trans women are uniquely vulnerable in mens spaces, and except in rare exceptions there isn't really an alternative to the binary mens or womens spaces just because of sheer population numbers. So there's two answers here in my mind. We can allow trans women into womens spaces while be cognizant of the risks of predators abusing that and mitigating that, or we can toss trans women into mens spaces and let them continue to be abused at staggering rates. On an unrelated note I think men in general need more protection and empathy, but they are a different case than trans women
it's just gender dysphoria
>>41198789"But transgenders are men and men belong in the mens room"
>>41194959we should be offered MAID instead
>>41198831Well that person isn't acknowledging my concerns then and we don't have common ground, so conversation would end there.
>>41198677I am maximum coomer and almost nothing of anything else. I mean I feel shame and guilt about everything and also hate myself, but that's for other reasons
>>41194959There are two types of autogynephiles. There's repressing trans women who picked it up as a subconscious cope and there are misogynistic cis men with a degradation fetish. Any discussion around agp/mef/sissies is incomplete without taking into account both of these groups. The first should transition, are women, and should have access to women's spaces like any other trans woman, although imo they should really keep their fetish in the bedroom. The general public is prone to stereotyping and it's best to not make dysphoria and agp look like variation of the same thing when they're not. But that's just my opinion. The second group shouldn't transition, since they're men. Going by the numbers I'm sure some of them try to, but I'd be surprised if turning themselves into a hypersexual caricature in public accomplished anything more than making other people uncomfortable.
>>41199029>I'd be surprised if turning themselves into a hypersexual caricature in public accomplished anything more than making other people uncomfortable.This is what people say we do
>>41199029anybody who picks up agp is not agp
>>41195807yeah i'm there but still believe transition is a rich man's hobby not a serious life decision
>>41199029MEF here. I've been a misogynist incel coomer in the past and now I've transitioned. My libido is gone and I permamanmode. I didn't have dysphoria before, but now I do. I've tried detransing due to my faketransness but couldn't due to the distress of masculinizing. I don't wanna be a woman in public and I'm not a "hypersexual caricature".
>>41199224Yeah, but we don't. The non-trans agps I've talked to actually live like that or had limited and sexualized conceptions of womanhood that they kept to themselves. It's just anecdotes so I'm not 100% on it but that's the impression I get.>>41199241Are you using it like an inborn sexuality? I could see autosexual being a thing but I'm talking about the fetish.>>41199303If you get distress from masculinizing I consider you trans, sorry
>>41199468fetishes are inborn
>>41199477They come from a mix of things like taboos and experiences. Inborn traits aren't the whole story.
>>41194959Sure. Why do I care?
>>41199468>If you get distress from masculinizing I consider you trans, sorrythat's just a convenient no true scotsmanwhat part of ''misogynist coomer incel with mef'' did you not get?I'm not the same as other trannies
>>41195000I dream of meeting someone who loves me with my agp. Ideally a woman lol, but if a man makes me feel like a girl, I'd be ok with it. I wanna live your experiences
>>41199566>that's just a convenient no true scotsmanDysphoria is the dividing line. You either have it or you don't. Or you're nonbinary.>misogynist coomer incelAs much as I hate to say it, a lot of trannies start out that way. Same reason a lot of the most extreme transphobes talk like reppers.
>>41198247This is absolutely beautiful talk. When I was repressing my agp I would think it was a course, a deviation. But now I see it as a blessing, as a beautiful thing and when I embrace it I feel euphoria
>>41197909The human mind is still a mystery so anyone saying they know it all, would be either lying or just intellectually unable to see past ideology. This is based on my own reflection and experience. I'd say that our emotional foundations are laid down when we're babies/toddlers, and the social dynamics were exposed to at that age, determine how were emotionally wired for life. In the case of agps, I believe there was an environment where we were either punished or deprived of affection when we showed masculine traits, and we saw how girls received more affection..this can happen when the father is emotionally absent and the mother was more authoritative. Also we could have been exposed to an affectionate female figure in a context of affection deprivation
>>41199801Is this how autism or dyslexia occurs? ADHD? PTSD?
>>41199828I think autism/dyslexia is more organic based, like the brain has some weird internal thing going on. Us, however, I think have healthy brains, just the emotional think was wired different as a result of adaptation to the social dynamics of our early childhood
i think my boyfriend has MEF. should he take HRT?
>>41200116I think you’re coping. I think you have had trouble expressing your femininity.
>>41200260Yes it'd be hot
>>41200332You're free to think whatever you want. What I said is what makes sense to me. In any case, now that I embraced my AGP , I feel like I'm myself and like I can love myself.
>>41194959>>41194973What you're referring to is AGAMP, not AGP>>41198088Zero evidence for sublimation theory
>>41200852>Zero evidence for sublimation theory>over a century of theory and analysis of sublimation by psychoanalysts such as Freud and JungLmao, absolute clown
>>41200852>What you're referring to is AGAMP, not AGPSecond poster, I don't really care that much about the distinction. Not really lacking affection in my life or anything either, it causes me no distress. I just think it's hot and fun to do.
>>41201094>Zero evidence for humorism>over fourty centuries of theory and analysis of humorism by natural philosophers such as Hippocrates and AvicennaLmao, get your yellow bile purged absolute clown.
>>41201507>I just think it's hot and fun to do.You sound like a happy AGP.I'm glad for you:)
>>41201094Yeah, that part of psychoanalysis is roundly rejected by mainstream scientific psychology.>>41201507Yeah, that's fine. I'm just saying the "point" of AGP is the desire to want to be a woman, not a sissy or feminine male.
>>41201516>I'm glad for you:)Thanks :)>>41201565Shrug. I was just answering with what OP seemed to be asking. AGP may be ambiguous MEF+Sissy more-or-less embodies what I'm into.
>>41201565>I'm just saying the "point" of AGP is the desire to want to be a woman,I prefer Blanchard definition where agp is feeling arousal for imagining yourself as a woman.
>>41195807This is literally what Blanchard’s theory describes and why he advocates for dysphoria AGPs to transition.
>>41201565>Yeah, that part of psychoanalysis is roundly rejected by mainstream scientific psychology.No, not at all. It’s valued and central, just difficult to measure. And it certainly carries a lot more weight than hussies and a gee pees that this retard board obsesses over.
>>41194965How does having been abused as a kid or suffering from psychosis make you more of a real woman than someone who loves femininity so much they want to embody it physically?
>>41194959Trans ideology is just crossdresser and sissy erasure
>>41194959i never understood the desire to enter womens spaces.if you have a penis you go into the penis room and if you have a vagina you go in the vagina room
>>41199029how can you tell between the two? I have AGP. I've been like this since before puberty. I've repped and had girlfriends but they never lasted. Everything always ended up getting drowned out by imagining AGP fantasies with men. Every time. Can only coom to AGP stuff and trans porn but honestly porn is nothing compared to what goes on in my head when I'm in the mood. And I only coom to make the AGP go away for the time being. It always comes back though.
>>41198247>>41199701You're saying I was touched by Venus or some other female deity? Amusing.>>41199257It certainly is expensive if you want good results, but at least it is possible to get good results.
>>41198789>we can toss trans women into mens spaces and let them continue to be abused at staggering rates.They do fine in male bathrooms. There was a trend in tiktok where trans women were happy to hookup with men in there. If a trans woman has a penis she should use male spaces
>>41201999checked trvke
>>41199664Missed this yesterday, but yeah it's nice to have a woman into it and who I'm comfortable sharing it with. I actually had another ex-gf who told me she wanted to see me dressed up, but she had basically no filter so I knew that as soon as she had a few drinks she'd tell absolutely everyone we knew so I never mentioned it to her.No romantic interest in guys but it was super hot dressing for men to hook up. This one is simpler to achieve.
aren't women always getting into men's spaces
>>41201999and its a good thing. they are fools but even fools deserve salvation. i know what i say i used to see myself as "crossdresser".
i hate transitioning for mef then mef dies and you detransition ive done it 15 times
>>41195166married bi sub to my mommy-domme (cis, pan), and with similar experiences, it sounds like. she and I both get off on the fantasy of giving me HRT, however, and that's tough to juggle at times, because I don't want to transition, but I do like the idea of demasculinizing or lightly feminising myself, maybe take finasteride to give me weak erections and watery cum. It's just so fucking hot!
>>41194959>Should people with either AGP, MEF, or a sissy fetish take HRT and or transition?They shouldn't have to>Do you consider them women?Not really but I don't consider them men either>Should they have access to women's spaces?Depends on the space, bra store is fine>What causes these fetishes to arise versus "normal" transsexuality?Too many sisters/female cousins in the family
>>41205335>No romantic interest in guys but it was super hot dressing for men to hook up. This one is simpler to achieve.Do they fuck You?How do you meet themm
>>41206215sameeee
Being AGP is so fucking beautiful
>>41209306she knows...it extends way beyond erotic aspect... thats just tip of an iceberg.
>>41209535<3
>>41194965what's a real trans woman
>>41206666>Do they fuck You?Yes, of course!>How do you meet themmApps and sites, Sniffies and DoubleList turned out to be a better source than Grindr. Haven't done it in a couple years tho cuz fiancee, although hope to do it soon.
>>41210211straight manmoders
>>41194959>Should people with either AGP, MEF, or a sissy fetish take HRT and or transition?seek therapy. hrt isnt really for them but like if they really want to kill themselves over it then yeah ig in that case, its just that my sympathy for these lowlife ppl is so low that i->Do you consider them women?dont consider them women in many cases, if anything they should be in their own little bubble knowing that they are the furthest from being a woman>Should they have access to women's spaces?probably not, i guess clothing stores not though since taking that away from them would limit them a lot and we dont have another idiot taking hrt>What causes these fetishes to arise versus "normal" transsexuality?early introduction to pornography or loneliness, but it might also just be something genetic?
>>41194959AGPs should transition. If the Blanchfags were to actually stop being hypocrites for a single second and also listen to what he says about treatment, they'd know it's over when AGPs develop truly dysphoric symptoms. They should transition.>What causes these fetishes to arise versus "normal" transsexuality?It's just repression.
>>41202122>how can you tell between the two?One's a repper with agp and the other's a man with agp
>>41210485Anon, I'm so jealous. I wish I could do that, and have an accepting girlfriend who likes my agp...How was your first time with a guy?
>>41210570>early introduction to pornography or lonelinessYes, I'm a loner, but I didn't watch porn until I was 19 or 20... We didn't have high speed internet before that.
>>41194970Now normalfags hate trannies too.
Wake up girls
