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Do you think this category exists at all?
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>>41204980
Having a parent that doesn’t perceive you as human. Not “unimportant” or “stupid” or “evil”, straight up not a human being, an animal.
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There aren't very many except relating to biology. Like if you were a fruit you had to deal with predators as a kid the same way girls do, and it forever colored your perception of men. And if you pass as an adult, you experience the same kinds of things cis women do.
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women live to watch men suffer, they love it. If you took a group of average, normal, middle-aged cis women and took them into a room where they watched a man beat up and violently and brutally rape a weaker man, while the weaker man screamed in agony and terror until he got cummed in, all of the women would orgasm.

>empathy
more like barely masked sadism
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>>41204997
Yes. I was not allowed to even ride a bike unlike my brother and all my childhood was just doing homework as my brother got to be normal.
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>>41204997
i experienced this
>>41205005
you have lost touch with reality

>>41205002
this is true and in my experience gets cis women unimaginably mad when they are asked to consider this
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>>41205005
How many times you copy paste this gaycel opinion
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>>41204980
Getting raped by your evil father and having to carry your brotherson to full term while you are 9 years old seems pretty afab only experience
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>>41205015
Nah, you think you have, but you haven’t. Normal shitty parents aren’t the same.
>>41205013
RIP, sorry, seeing the other sibling be seen as human the entire time with no way to break through is a unique hell.
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>>41204980
there likely aren't any, as essential would imply that lacking that experience excludes someone from the class, and exceptions exist which would make it meaningless
you'd probably have to define it in a similar way to a hpc but give up strict essentialism in your concept
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>>41205036
respectfully you do not know anything about my life. my parents were not just normal shitty parents and i am quite certain i know what it is to be dehumanised by your own family in the way you describe.
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>>41204980
I wouldn't say "never" but not common, especially for those who claim they were socialized female.
For me it would have to be familial obligation to be a caretaker by any means necessary, and how that trickles down into how they treat their partner/spouse. Giving and giving, and no receiving or respect returned.
You'll find that hons who married their wife when they thought they were men will leave all home and financial responsibilities to their cis wife once they start transitioning.
Usually a trans women's response to these claims is that it's reducing women to a misogynist role and that it's female empowerment to not be helpful to anyone. Fair enough, but I usually don't see a trans woman breaking their back to support their family, spouse, and children financially and physically the way cis women are expected to do. You can see these behaviors exhibited in trans men, they often feel like their partner's emotions and life is their responsibility. (they as in the trans man)
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>>41205131
cont.
A trans woman usually has the same level of entitlement and responsibility of the average western male these days, which is a lot of entitlement, no responsibility or care for their family or partner. When you're raised as a male, usually these things aren't taught and men are not shamed for going their own way.
A trans man feels like they are expected to cater to their partner and family's feelings, needs, wants, desires, etc. because they were raised as women and women can't really get out of these roles without being shamed for it. It is ingrained in our social dynamics.
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>>41205061
They let your sister run free while you were a houseslave?
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>>41204980
>mom can i have a lego set
>no those are for boys
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>>41205170
Thankfully my mom was chill, so I had that easy bake oven life as a young boy. There were still weird boundaries though, like I couldn't have super long hair. I could have a mullet though, and I was like I will rock this mullet so hard.
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>>41205170
My mom did not let me have a male doll so I had to make my barbies scissor with each other or use my bikermice as a breeding male. Im straight but I can only orgasm if I think of girls, I think its my moms fault
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>>41205164
very literally yes. my sister had a lot of support growing up which i lacked, materially and emotionally. my mother hates men and faggots of which she saw me as both. she believed she was doing some sort of service to the sisterhood to dehumanise me in the exact way you describe whilst doing whatever she could to allow my sister to thrive. how this manifested practically was i was expected to be something of a live in nanny and house keeper. she was an awful drunk and so could not do many of these things herself, and expected me to because she had mentally placed me as someone she could offload all her responsibilities on to. at the same time she'd regularly pull me into this long, overly emotional outbursts in which i was expected to also be her therapist. my sister got supported through school, given mental health support when she was struggling, and constantly reminded she was valuable and loved. i got entirely neglected and expected to be the only adult in the house from as young as i can remember. i would sometimes go days and days without talking to anyone because nobody thought to even check i was okay, i'd just be left alone whilst they spent time together. if i didn't do the things expected of me i'd be reprimanded violently.
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>>41205131
Oh yeah, I was basically pulled out of college to give hospice care to my father’s second wife while he was out of the house 24/7 dating his third. Then was expected to clear out his massive house that she’d hoarded up while dying to cope with the abandonment. Zero compensation or even a thank you for any of this and my brother was busy doing druggie fratbro shit unaware of any of it.
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>>41205222
That’s “thought of as evil” not “not seen as human”. I’m not saying it better or not as bad. I’m just saying it’s not the same.
I also have known a handful of men that say shit like this that turns out to be just completely made up and they just want something to blame being a fuckup on.
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>>41205250
Like I said, uncommon but technically not unheard of. It's just usually something women are forced or conditioned into in a way that men are often not. Most trannies idea of being forced or conditioned to appease others involves putting away their dishes or sex toys.
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>>41205265
i think you're choosing not to empathise with me right now for the sake of digging your heels in about your preconceived biases
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>>41205191
My parents were really strict about that I wasn't even allowed to watch specific tv shows if my mom estimated they were intended for boys. I wasn't allowed to have short hair either but occasionally I would cut it myself and pretend it was accident like "I only wanted to cut the ends a little bit but I couldn't make it look even so I kept going oops haha" and my mom would get really mad but she would then take me to a hair salon to have it fixed because a bad haircut was worse to her than a short haircut
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>>41205265
nta but you're kind of gross
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>>41205266
Yeah it’s a conditioning that begins as soon as the sex is known. Realistically if I had infinite awareness I could have told him to fuck himself and left, but I was a teenager after two decades of everything from stern silences to beatings/chokings to groom me into servitude. It starts when you’re born and it ends when you die. Getting catcalled for the first time at 26 after trooning out is barely even related. 99% of sexism comes from the opposite-sex caregivers/authorities and tails off before you leave college. It’s a process of grooming and training that mostly ends in adulthood because the target has been successfully mentally broken.
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>>41205276
> choosing not to empathise with me
Lmao I remove my previous hedge about it not being better, this is golden child fuckup language.
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>>41205005
>the authors poorly disguised fetish
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>>41204997
Holy shit, this. In my case it's both parents: dad straight up doesn't see women as humans, and mom sees me as a pet she can control. She is always surprised when she sees me making decisions, and I've heard the question "who put that idea in your head??" more times than I can count. I'm happy to have finally become completely independent.
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>>41205425
>who put that idea in your head??
It's astounding though they really think there's no way you could think of something on your own like there's always some external force that makes you do something
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>>41204997
You’re retarded if you think no trans woman has experienced this. Even men experience this if they’re gay, you’re not special
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being forced to cut your hair is an AMAB only experience
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>>41205468
No I knew girls whose parents cut their hair because it's easier wash when it's short
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>>41205028
getting pregnant in general is typically an only AFAB experience
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>>41205170
gender gatekept toys aren't really afab exclusive lol, as a troon i had
>mom can i have animal crossing/this plushie/some nice pens/this mens' shirt that has some floral patterns on it
>no those are for girls
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>>41205477
And then they always end up with really long hair as adults
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>>41205477
yeah but after the age of 10 most kids can wash themselves, and girls will get to start growing out their hair. Boys mostly can’t
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>>41205493
They can totally grow their hair at least when they move out they only need to have the willpower
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>>41205477
what’s fucked up is my mom let all my other brothers grow out their hair long EXCEPT for me it’s like she knew i was a fucking tranny
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>>41205498
at 10 years old? Get real
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>>41205506
>when they move out they can grow their hair
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>>41204980
>What are "the essencial AFAB experiences"

Being female. Having a cycle, the way it interacts with our brains and the hormonal cocktail and up-and-downs that make you fundamentally think and behave like a woman. 99,9% of females even the ones with issues like PCOS or primary amenorrhea experience it on some level.

Males can try and imitate it but they will actually never experience it the same.
That's also why transwomen just feel like gay or bisexual men with a fetish for the most part in interactions. Although HSTS (the gay borns who are only into men) get the closest to female.
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>>41204980
Probably stuff like having your first period, and being laughed at for it by a brother, or similar. I'm MTF and just thought of that. I knew a girl who experienced that.
Also, maybe being treated as a gem.
I have a sister. When we were growing up, my parents said stuff like "We have a beautiful girl and a handsome boy." To my sister, they complimented her beauty and her hair. To me in particular, they said stuff like "You're so handsome, you'll have girls lining up to your locker in high school" (which didn't happen lol). And they acted like I was "the man of the house" despite me being the youngest (I had no father). I just think if I'd been born a girl, they would have said "We have two beautiful daughters," and said similar things to me. Probably would have been uncomfortable either way, though.
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>>41205528
>make you fundamentally think and behave like a woman
I would only get depressed when my period started. Like all of a sudden I would think about killing myself and it's not even because the period is making me depressed it just influences your mood. I don't think that counts as exclusive female behavior anyone would feel like that if your hormone levels get thrown off.
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Having big bazongas in the third grade and other kids keep trying to get you to wear a sports bra, but you're a child and have no concept of boobs
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>>41204980
pregnancy
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>>41204997
Yeah?
My cis sister literally was allowed to have a life, go outside, make friends when i was forced to stay inside for my safety. My parents both favoured her, my father once screamed at us for no reason which whatever but then he went and apologised only to her, not me.
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>>41205222
Omg almost literally me. I was supposed to defend physically my bitch mum against my dad and then she still hit me afterwards and said she shit pieces of shit better than me this morning.
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>>41205640
>stay inside for my safety
larp
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>>41204980
not being allowed to do sports so you don't loose your hymen and being left in a burning building cause your hair was showing and it was haram
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>>41205640
Since when are amabs not allowed to go outside? Were your parents worried you'd get raped and kidnapped too?
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>>41205560
It does though. There's so many videos and posts about this from confused or baffled boyfriends or husbands how strange it is to deal with their wives or girlfriends and their hormones. Women sometimes don't even recognize how much we fluctuate over the month.
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>>41205667
Lol i wish it were lmao. I was always seen as fragile/sensitive, which didn't stop my mum from physically and mentally abusing me.
She said she treated me more harshly cause she loved me more. Idk.
She also told us she wouldn't want one of us to trans, I was like 11 or 12 and praying in secret to wake up a girl every night.
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>>41205687
I never experienced a magical female cycle like that like I said all I got is feeling like shit when it started
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>>41205697
Because you don't notice it as it is your normal. You aren't magically immune to ovulation or the luteal phase because you "don't notice it" unless you belong to the 0,1% freak cases who have no cycle at all.
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>>41205685
I legitimately don't know nona. My sister could literally bring alcohol at school and she barely got shit told to her.
I asked once to go to MickyD with others when I was in the last year of secondary school (so like 13) which was just in front of school, and she told me no. I quickly learnt to stay inside and isolate myself in films, games, books, and my dreams.
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>>41205685
of course his parents were afraid he gets pregnant and kidnapped but his sister was such a brave soldier that she get to have all the freedom. His sister was there getting boys pregnant and smoking crack while this guy was learning how to cook and clean.
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>>41205704
I might have been raped as a kid though but I don't have any certain memory. Just blurs and feelings. Would explain a lot though.
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>>41205693
yep larp larp
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>>41205704
They must've cared very little about your sister then if they weren't scared to let her go outside at all. It makes absolutely no sense for them to not be worried about her.
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>>41205707
Ofc it's a transphobe not believing weird shit can happen. Fuck off moid.
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>>41205528
tfw
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>>41205702
I do notice a difference because I don't get periods anymore lol
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>>41205460
No, they experience “thought of as evil/unimportant/dumb”. They aren’t the same.
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>>41205717
his parents were misogynist who abandoned their daughter
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>>41205713
I don't care that you don't believe me lmao
>>41205717
She was way more assertive and shit. Idk. She was more masculine in her behaviour than I ever was lol.
I think my mum saw her as strong and independent. I was fragile.
Also my sister is younger, and between me and her she had a stillborn daughter. That probably had something to do with how she was to me.
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>>41205729
Trannies and faggots literally get murdered everyday
oh well
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>>41205596
I knew a girl in high school that I think just lacked some self awareness from being neglected, that took so long to figure out bras that some people eventually tried to break it to her as gently as possible. She got offended and it was just bad all around, it’s weird that it’s considered so inappropriate not to wear them.
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>>41205697
>>41205702
Kek anon with le magical cycle is either a coping pooner or mtf. I get hornier than usual right before the period starts but that's it. No mood swings, nothing. If your cycle is affecting your life that much, get your hormones check and stop bragging about it to the detriment of healthy women.
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In a way it's kinda affirming to have people literally not believe shit I say because it's so weird and out there lol
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>>41205640
>I chose to interbreed with the family computer and now must blame someone else for not going outside
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>>41205736
>I think my mum saw her as strong and independent
your mother neglected her daughter and put him in danger
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>>41205683
WTF, I’m sorry.
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>>41205755
>I get hornier than usual right before the period starts but that's it.

Yes you fucktard because it's your NORMAL so you barely notice anything unless its extreme. But that women behave and act differently across all countries, regardless of cultures, is a fact. That women feel and behave much differently than men in relationships on average is a fact. This is all due to different brains and a hormonal cycle that isn't like a mans.
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>>41205755
you don't really learn to hate your cycle unless you have ocd/anxiety. it really gets worse about 10 days before periods
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>>41205761
Yeah yeah sure. Abused kids love the abuse.
>>41205764
Yeah I'm sure she felt unlucky not being beaten up, having physical affection, having rights, not being insulted daily, not being spat on, not having a knife to her throat. I was truly the lucky one.
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>>41205769
Chill out, sister. PMS much?
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>>41205702
I’m so glad my body came out so retarded that I never cycled except for when a doctor got worried about it and made me take something to force menstruation once every 1-3 years. I had like two in my mid teens before my body decided to shut that shit down, and if that had been a lifelong deal I would 100% have killed myself. It’s like being skinwalked by a demon
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>>41205783
>It’s like being skinwalked by a demon
Kinda true. Do you not experience any PMS symptoms at all though? Even women who don't menstruate still undergo some of these effects.
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>>41204980
mensturation and pregnancy
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>>41205790
pms is either a hormonal disorder (that needs treatment and does not represent the norm) or attention whoring (posting on tiktok about how whimsy you feel). most women get a bit more horny and/or a lot more hungry before menstruation, if that.
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>>41205808
stfu moid
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>>41204997
My parents made me clean and do household chores while my cis brothers were allowed to be slobs and never taught to clean. I was not allowed to play or even talk. Constant cleaning. When my brothers would break something or make a mess, they would blame me and always be believed while I was accused of lying. Eventually they expected me to start parenting my younger brothers (actually they still do that, they're both cripplingly irresponsible)

(he/him)
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>>41204980
I got way more shit for having a messy room I was always told it would be fine if I was a boy and my room looked like that but that it's completely unacceptable for a girl
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>>41205817
i'm a cis woman...
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>>41205790
No, I had one doctor that was very concerned about it and did a scan, and it wasn’t PCOS despite high androgens (no cysts), just straight up primary ovarian insufficiency, no follicles, no cycle. They put me on estrogen for my bones, couldn’t stand it. I take a small amount of testosterone instead to not get osteoporosis, but not enough to not be obviously female.
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>>41204980
Was raised as a girl but intersex (I have testes, had a male puberty that was delayed), so I feel I can give a perspective that’s “separate from biology” a bit here. My parents didn’t want me to be intelligent. My whole childhood, they always said that “if you’re too smart, we can’t marry you off”. No consideration for what I wanted with my life or what I was interested, every decision about schooling and career happened with the backdrop of eventual marriage to a man. When I received my intersex diagnosis, my mom had a mental breakdown. It wasn’t even about the fact that I wasn’t who I, or anyone, thought I was. It was about, in her words: how will you get married now?

Marriage was posed as such an end goal that without the idea that one day I was supposed to serve some person likely designated by my parents, my outlook on life totally changed. After my diagnosis, I started living as a guy. I can’t say there’s much to be thankful for, given my condition, but freeing me in this way I do feel quite thankful for sometimes.
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>>41205875
>I take a small amount of testosterone instead to not get osteoporosis, but not enough to not be obviously female.
You might be sabotaging yourself
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>>41205875
Have you ever been tested for an intersex condition? Everyone with POI should get examined for it— sometimes atypical presentations of Swyer’s or mixed gonadal dysgenesis can present like POI. Teen onset POI can often be caused by XX partial gonadal dysgenesis. I would look into this if I were you— some conditions come with a high cancer risk.

(Credentials: clinical researcher working in intersex care)
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>>41205907
Not explicitly, but my ovaries “looked normal” on an ultrasound and I know from one of those heritage DNA tests that I’m XX. My doctor at the time went from extremely worried about it to not caring at all after a lot of tests, so I think they ruled out anything like that.
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>>41205979
How high were the androgens? Was it just DHEAS or was it testosterone?

Most cases of ovotesticular DSD present as XX so it doesn’t entirely rule out a possible intersex variation.
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>>41205979
>>41206042
Also if you’d rather not talk about medical stuff on here you can add me on discord: yamtaro_tea
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>>41205870
>cis woman
>tttt
why
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>>41206091
bi
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>>41205005
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>>41206139
>t.samefaggin copypasta forcer
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>>41206136
>bishit
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>>41206209
bisexuality is the foundation of lgbt.
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>>41204980
Probably matching periods with your mom or a close friend
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>>41206247
AFAIK doesn't actually happen.
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>>41206254
It happens
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>>41206267
Okay, apparently I was the exception.
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>>41204980
period shits
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>>41206274
Its nice to think that you are ovulating with your friend. Something very homoerotic about it
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>>41206293
That's a little creepy.
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>>41206289
I never had those but I had my whole uterus shed in one meaty piece
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>>41206289
how about period constipation? can't fucking win. although going to the gym helps.
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>>41206274
Yeah, a big exception, all the girls I know who ever mentioned something about periods experienced it
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Hahaha imagine thinking afabs could have any empathy for beaten, abused and raped amab children because they've shown feminity/meak personalities
You're doing exactly what cishet men do when they deny your lived experiences, you're strictly no better.
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>>41206296
You are not a friend of yuri
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>>41206306
Male on male crime, what should women do about it
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>>41206254
It's not that they actually sync, is more that the just happen to match by chance btw, the sync period theory is not real!
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>>41206341
Lmao, you're el stupido, using terf dogwhistle. Either you're below 60 IQ (not surprising) or in an intense cognitive dissonance.
Get raped and kiss buddy
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>>41206358
Men have raped me so I don't care about males :) worry about your own kind and stop with all the crimes and rape maybe
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>>41204997
My mother did this to me.
t. amab (no, not a tranny)
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>>41204980
Men will never understand misogyny. Even if you transition into a woman and pass, you already have a different upbringing and that means none of you will ever understand what it feels like to live in a world where you aren’t seen as a person but rather an object or a thing. Even if society sees you that way, your family won’t, and families will always be cunts to you in the most lowkey ways ever if you’re born female just because it’s normalized and they don’t even see it as disrespect.
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>>41206227
It's simply based.
It doesn't need justification.
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>>41206726
>where you aren’t seen as a person but rather an object or a thing.
I still struggle with feeling human and often cope by saying I'm not but pop off and say my story is fake
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>>41206726
>all amabs have never been treated like objects
??? open a book
like. you know black ppl? disabled ppl? hell, actually, you know any child, basically? show me someone whose never been objectified in their life i dare you
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>>41206740
framing this one on my wall
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>>41206372
cishet on cishet crime, not sure what LGBT has to do with it?

Maybe go bitch about the rape you LARPed somewhere else
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>>41207022
Im a lesbian tho
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>>41204980
There's nothing that's 100% universal. Everything depends on local culture and the circumstances of one's childhood.
That being said, I've never met a trans woman that liked Hamilton. I've met a couple of trans men that have. My fellow cissoids do not talk about Hamilton in general. So if I have to make a statement it's that Hamilton can only turn you trans in the man direction.
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>>41204980
being asked if you are pregnant when you're at the doctor's
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>>41204980
It's the ways society enforces and reproduces gender roles. There's a sliding scale of how serious and superficial different experiences are, but they're very obviously gendered (based on your birth sex). Handful of things off the top of my head:
>ask for video games for my birthday after playing my brother's pokemon and mario, get given a pink gameboy with only disney channel and mattel property slop "games"
>not allowed to go on bike rides alone at an age my brother was allowed to because "it isn't safe" for me
>encouraged to be a "tomboy" and do boy activities; at a certain age I was then suddenly was "not ladylike" enough
>told that I am being too loud/rambunctious/aggressive; boys acting the same way are not
>at parties, have to help with setting the table, preparing the food, and cleaning up after while the boys aren't asked to do anything
>"if a boy is mean to you that means he likes you!"
>parent(s) nervously remove me from public places on multiple occasions because grown men were staring at me; taught that I need to be on alert for this and it is my responsibility to be careful of how I dress and carry myself
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>>41207859
we dont like hamilton bc its bad and only we can tell for some reason
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>>41205883
>It was about, in her words: how will you get married now?
Jesus.
Did she get over it eventually?
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>>41204980
Having a vagina.
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>>41204997
>>41205036
mfw no male in the history of humanity has ever *really* been abused by their parents. it's just impossible. thank you enlightened genius 4channer for this breakthrough
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>>41206341
i got molested by a cis woman as a little boy
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>>41206300
What type of exercises?
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The biggest thing is just the subtle difference in treatment from literally birth. There have been studies that show people react to the cries of different gendered babies differently.
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>ITT: foids making their whole identity being better at victim olympics than moids ever will
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>>41207929
this happens to me routinely as an mtf

but I probably experience it differently because to me it's just kind of bemusing
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>>41208992
It is hard to understand when the entire world operates under a patriarchy and has been for thousands of years that perhaps women see the state of womankind for what it is and feel saddened by that. I dont expect a moid to have that depth of insight though
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>>41208950
all of them, also cardio. exercise in general.
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>>41209027
>I dont expect a moid to have that depth of insight though
Yeah, I'm on the "men kill themselves 4 times more than women" side of the discussion, but thanks for letting me know your periods are caused by the patriarchy. Omw to fix this issue once and for all.
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>>41208926
was it good for you?
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>>41209696
no and now i'm an 18 year old that finds sexual affection scary. tmi but i had never masturbated until earlier this year, i still don't like porn and every time someone flirts with me i feel a little ill
i still don't have a fraction of the hatred for cis women some men on this board have for the simple act of being rejected by their highschool crush though. so i guess maybe some of them should've been molested too
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>>41205005
>where they watched a man beat up and violently and brutally rape a weaker man, while the weaker man screamed in agony and terror until he got cummed in
Do you dream of this often?
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>>41208761
No, but I got into a top 3 medical programme, so she’s stuck in a position where if she doesn’t brag she looks weird :)

Success is the best revenge. And I have a cute gf now who I plan on marrying, so marriage will happen anyway! Just not a marriage my parents can control.
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>>41209027
Some men have it worse than women even with patriarchy. Does a man who becomes a locked in shell vegetable and lives in aging wishing to die for years have it better than normal woman cause he doesn't have patriarchy?
No
And in the same sense is a man who grows up poor physically tortured as a kid, beaten continuously, bullied, raped often as a child, become homeless as a teen, and then gets AIDs and die or suicides, have it better than women cause he doesn't experience patriarchy?
Some men have it worse. Gay men and trans often tend to have it worse than your average women.
No need to compete in Olympics about it though
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>>41209812
>maybe some of them should've been molested too
trvth nvke
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>>41204980
growing up learning that the only thing half of the population wants or expects from you is to get fucked and impregnated. that you have this thing about your body that's seen as a natural resource to be controlled, and that you have to be hypervigilant so that some fuckmonster's sex drive doesn't trigger from looking at you and the only thing that matters while he's in that state is getting his sperm inside of you somehow.
god forbid you're twelve and go to the library and some guy suddenly stops reading and walks over to where you're in the aisle and looks at your chest with the zombie stare because he noticed your nipple poking out through your shirt
and that's in your life forever. you can be 90 and one of these things has their sex drive trigger so he roves around looking for anything female to come in and while hunting realizes he can get inside your bedroom window so he does it. babies, old ladies, dead bodies, you have a vagina you are always in danger of getting mutilated by the other half of your species with their genitals because their sex drive hijacks their brains and pilots them to stab you with the meatknife they were born with
and this is supposed to be normal and something for you to just shut up and take because these creatures believe that you're the one initiating the sexual encounter by triggering their sex drive. there's no such thing as going outside and having a life, if he sees you and wants to fuck you you reached into his head and flipped the switch with your appearance
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>>41211105
a lot of mythologies around the world have independently thought up myths of women having sets of teeth in their vagina that could bite off men's penises if one were to try to rape them
i very often wish that was a thing women in real life had
men would be better if they knew there was always a chance they could lose their most prized possession and bleed out on the floor
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>>41204997
my stepmom treated me like this because i wasnt "her" child and she forced my dad to go along with it
my stepbrother was treated like i used to be before he remarried
>>41205486
my mom had to repeatedly steer me out of the girls section when i was young
it took until i was 7 or 8 to internalize that i would never be allowed to wear a pink shirt or any kind of skirt or dress
>>41206726
america is actively backsliding on trans rights, we may get to the point that the average american tranny gets as brutalized as the average afab
in britain its arguably already that bad
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>>41205005
not exclusive to afabs, i'd cum too
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>>41204980
Having the letter F written on your birth certificate.
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>>41211308
>my mom had to repeatedly steer me out of the girls section when i was young
>it took until i was 7 or 8 to internalize that i would never be allowed to wear a pink shirt or any kind of skirt or dress
this is exclusive to males and a reflection of your male body, this is not a female experience. if you were born female you wouldn't be discouraged or punished this way in reaction to your internal desires not matching your external appearance.
this is the most quintessential universal male socialization, being abused for displaying signs of femininity according to how your culture defines femininity.
socialization isn't your feelings or interests in clothes and toys it's the way the world reacts to your body and what that reaction teaches you how you should behave accordingly, the world reacted to your male body by harshly reinforcing that you are not allowed and you learned that you get rejected and harmed for not being masculine enough
females don't get beat up by their parents for wanting to wear nail polish and play with their barbies to teach them how to not be little faggots. males do.
you were socialized male. nobody has a say in how they're socialized until they're grown and can alter their appearance and then that depends on how much you can alter it. as children? nothing you can do
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>>41205303
NTA but lol the others are right
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>>41211105
>>41211436
quality ropefuel
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AFAB here and basically nothing except stuff relating to reproductive health? (difficulty getting help for ectopic pregnancy that could kill you, needing a dude in your life to sign off on tube tying, whatever).

in terms of getting like constantly harassed or assaulted as a child, seeing yourself constantly demeaned, etc, trans girls obviously can exp that, and in the exact same way if passing.
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>>41211257
how would losing my espresso machine cause me to bleed out on the floor?
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>>41205005
This but unironically.
A lot of stories out there of women losing all their attraction to their man after he gets mugged or loses a fight or something. Women absolutely love violence as long as it happens to men.
Everyone knows that you should be wary of people that always talk about how empathetic they are. What are women always holding as their top value these days? yeah. red flag

only men can love men
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>>41204980
Sik bait brub
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>>41204980
People taking for granted from a young age that you will get pregnant and have a baby. they say it because ~90 percent of women have kids at some point but when you're young it sounds like they are saying you WILL get pregnant and there's NOTHING you can do about it even if you really don't want to. The whole thing like "I don't want to have kids" met with "Oh you will" like I get it but it is a sort of disturbing and violating message to be told

People treat NOT having kids as a bigger deal than having kids. Meanwhile having a baby when you're not prepared is a great way to end your education and trap you and your children in poverty for another generation. Yet it's seen as completely normal

>>41205468
Eh that has the flipside of not being allowed to cut your hair

>>41205528
Ftm I never had mood changes with my cycle. I get if it's genetics but is it a thing that some of the period side effects are caused by being too fat? Am I making that up

>>41205543
When I was 14 my mom made me try to put a tampon in at my aunts house to go swimming even though I didn't want to go swimming and had never put anything in my hole before

>>41205655
I told my mom a lot of parents hate their children and she didn't believe me. it's not like they have no feelings towards their children, but I don't think she comprehends the idea that some people see their children as objects that they can treat however they want
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>>41205687
Idk I didn't happen to get any mood symptoms with my cycle. And when I went off t I did get sort of depressed and anxious with it and it's not something I had ever experienced before. I think before that I fundamentally didn't understand what people were talking about with periods and mood stuff because I hadn't experienced it
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>>41205503
>what’s fucked up is my mom let all my other brothers grow out their hair long EXCEPT for me it’s like she knew i was a fucking tranny

Maybe she did, anon. When I was younger and before I even knew I was trans, my mom absolutely flipped out on me about some pretty innocent activities that few people would think were an indicator. Sometimes they can smell it on you even before you know.
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>>41204980
rape
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>>41205005
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>>41209837
I love a happy ending.
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>>41205276
nta but based call this BS out when you see it
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>>41212438
>Ftm I never had mood changes with my cycle.
You do. You just don't notice it because it's your standard. A lot of women never even get aware of it until educated. Hormones 100% influence mood and feelings. You are not some immune freak case if you are otherwise healthy.
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>>41207859
I've met cis men who like Hamilton, and I've only ever known cis men to like it. I assume it's a musical but I have no idea what it is.
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>>41208992
>>41208802
Literally nobody is saying it’s worse/better or that males can’t be abused. It’s just a different category of thing. If that triggers you that’s a you problem.
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>>41211483
Ok narcboy
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>>41215169
thank you for that. i felt pretty sore after that comment yesterday ngl. its nice of you ty
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>>41215822
Add “random interval gaslighting from scrotes about shit they physically cannot know” to your list, OP.
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>>41215934
I'm 100% saying that females have it worse. Its pretty much only males making decisions so they are also responsible for all the suffering they cause.
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>>41215169
>>41215948
Keep seething failson
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>>41215953
I mean the fuckups that always crawl into these threads to go “bawwwwww me mummy was a cunt so misogyny doesn’t exist, me mummy was a psycho so it’s actually a gynocracy” and ignore anyone clarifying that different doesn’t mean better
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>>41215966
if you are >>41215957 then i think misogyny absolutely does exist and i would describe the way my parents treat me as a extension of or parallel to misogyny. i've not followed this thread since yesterday but is anyone here actually crying about misandry or whatever
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>>41215949
I'm female, you mong. Most people are just retarded.

"UMM I ACTUALLY DON'T EXPERIENCE ANY EFFECTS FROM MY CYCLE!"

It's the same retards who think they look 18 years old when they are clearly 30.
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>>41215995
Sure you are buddy.
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>>41216006
stfu ugly moid
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>>41205425
My mom's the same, she always is surprised when my decisions don't match whatever she had in her head. Recently she has been taking it personally and acts as if I'm doing that out of spite...
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>>41215822
>>41215995
I'm very happy I have finally found a person who knows me better than I know myself. Who can read my mind, detect my mood, and examine my body for each and every minute change. I want to hire you as my personal doctor.
Or, you could stop being the type of rude, insufferable cunt who inserts her own kink into other people's lives. And yes, at this point I'm 90% sure it's something sexual on your end.
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>>41204980
I'm gonna drop the first and final blackpill of this thread, OP. Brace for impact.

Their achievements can only be performative.
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>>41216103
I'm very happy I finally found a person who defies human biology and is completely immune to hormones changing throughout the month. I'm gonna win the nobel prize in biology!
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>>41205528
>Although HSTS (the gay borns who are only into men) get the closest to female.
Why do you think that they're closest to female?
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>>41216142
Because gay men have brains that resemble women more than straight brains and they are usually already feminine as little boys and exclusively like men. Just like women.
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>>41216142
>>41216155
"More than straight" meaning they aren't more female-brained than straight, just that their brain structure leans more into female than straight brains do.
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>>41216155
>Just like women.
Women don't exclusively like men lmao
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>>41216155
Nah, more like gays and lesbians have a brain that resembles one and another. They are both still in range for their sex
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>>41216177
This. Even straight women response better to sexual stimuli by other women than by men. Exclusive attraction is a male thing.
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>>41216177
The majority of women wants a male partner. Even the bisexual ones usually end up with boyfriends aside from some experimentation. In western societies 90-95% of women identify as straight or end up/prefer a male partner.

For transwomen because a lot of them are literally just bisexual men with fetishes a high % of them is into women or feminine partners.
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>>41216180
Gay male brains are more "feminine" then straight male brains.

>>41216189
I mean I grew up thinking I'm bisexual, thinking women are hot/cute too (they are) and watching lesbian porn occasionally. I could have a girlfriend if she is masculine enough or there are no men, so I guess I am flexible there, but at the end of the day I want a boyfriend to dick me down most preferably. In my experience most "bisexual" women are like this and I also seen lesbian women complain about bi-sluts or bi-shits for that reason. So their attraction to women is quite shallow compared to the lust/romance attraction to the ideal man.
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>>41216190
Ending up with an opposite sex partner only confirms that our society is homophobic and build for heteros. Ending up with someone does not egual attraction. Comphet is all around us and women are constantly gaslighted to believe that their lukewarm desire for men is normal
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>>41216189
>Even straight women response better to sexual stimuli by other women than by men.
Didn't know that, honestly. I just know from experience that women are more flexible in their sexuality than they say.
>>41216190
Sure, a lot of women end up with men. But even in Western societies there is a lot of homophobia, and in some countries you can't get gay-married yet, so perhaps this influences the choice. Plus, a lot of women simply get with men to get children and a workhorse, otherwise they don't need them. Not exactly attraction
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>>41216207
>Gay male brains are more "feminine" then straight male brains.
Still more masculine than lesbian womans brain
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>>41216209
>Ending up with an opposite sex partner only confirms that our society is homophobic and build for heteros.
Not really. As a teenager I was proudly bisexual and WANTED to think I prefer women. It was like a badge of ~being a special snowflake~ and society isn't that homophobic to good looking women in relationships in most of western places.
>Ending up with someone does not egual attraction.
It does though. You can just look at the best-selling media for women then. It's almost all men. If it's just fantasy and idealization why are women x women pairings so rare? I even see LESBIANS gush over fictional male characters and say "I would be bi for the IDEAL man, but they aren't real so I stay with women..."

>>41216214
>But even in Western societies there is a lot of homophobia
It really doesn't stop people in modern cities and leftist areas from being who they want to be. Even there lesbians complain about insane bi-sluts going for men eventually.
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>>41216207
>So their attraction to women is quite shallow compared to the lust/romance attraction to the ideal man.
Its actually proven that bisexual women are more attracted to men than straight women are, so there is that. Straight women say they prefer men but get more turned on by other women than men.
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>>41216209
nta
It's not that lukewarm in most, they just repress a lot. You can see it in how dick-hungry most women are in private or when sleepy/drunk.
That's not to deny that they often have urges towards other females though. They sure do. Most women are aggressively bisexual for both genders.
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>>41216216
Sure but lesbian women also have the female hormones and cycle pumping through. Gay men don't.

Although some gay bottom sissies act a lot more stereotypically feminine than lesbian women.
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>>41216227
>It's almost all men
That man does not exist and is fictional. Women also prefer werewolves, vampires and omega pussy boys who get dicked down by alpha men. One thing in common with all of these are that they are males written by woman
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>>41216129
>I don't have mood swings.
>"no u do"
>What? I honestly don't have them.
>"u just can't tell! i know better!"
>Wow you're a cunt...
>"did you hear that? she said she is immune to hormones"
You're still a cunt. And I still don't have mood swings.
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>>41216241
>That man does not exist and is fictional.

Sure but he's still very much a man? Masculine voice, no breast, rock hard dick, usually taller. It's such a goofy argument. Like pedos jerking it to fictional kids who look exactly like children, are voiced by children and then claim "THEY ARE NOT REAL! I AM NOT A PEDO AT ALL" like cmon bruh.

>werewolves, vampires and omega pussy boys who get dicked down by alpha men
Werewolves, vampires = power/competence (one of the main things women are attracted to)
Omega pussy boys getting dick down = yaoi self insert

>>41216231
>Straight women say they prefer men but get more turned on by other women than men.
Doubt.
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>>41216235
>It's not that lukewarm in most, they just repress a lot. You can see it in how dick-hungry most women are in private or when sleepy/drunk.
Women think that about 80% of men are ugly
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>>41216247
Congratulations! Science should study you. You have a perfectly healthy cycle with hormones dropping and rising constantly with ZERO effect on your mood. Incredible. It's definitely not a lack of understanding from your side, you are simply a biological freak case and you should be studied.
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>>41216252
>Doubt
Someone post the graph here lol
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>>41216263
NTA but I think most men are unattractive. I think a lot of women are cute though, like puppies or pretty art. But the men that are attractive are BY FAR mogging everything else in terms of attraction to me.

My ideal man wipes the floor with anything or anyone. This seems to be the case for most straight or bisexual women.
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>>41216263
That's a myth
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>>41216252
>much a man
Idolized version who is nothing like the real thing thats ugly and pathetic
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>>41216272
I'm a straight woman and I have never looked at a man and gotten turned on. I have had that happened with looking naked women. I have no desire to date women and I have a bf but thats how it is, and I know that the way I am is pretty common.
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>>41216283
There is nothing that is impossible to occur in real men about those traits. It might be rare, but it's not impossible so that makes no sense.

Unless we are talking about like supernatural traits like he's a werewolf on a broom, but that doesn't seem to be the main attraction in most cases.
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>>41216266
>It's definitely not a lack of understanding from your side
You're right, it's not a lack of understanding. I am attuned to my body because I exercise 4 times a week and would surely notice if my mood fluctuated every month. Are you mad because you need to be right at all times, or are you mad because you get mood swings and my emotional stability makes you jelly? Different strokes for different folks, you know.
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>>41216293
Ok and you don't have to be sexually aroused looking at a naked man? That's kind of moid brained anyways. I'm not turned on by that either. I am more turned on by scenarios with men (aka my boyfriend) like his voice, his strong touch, running my hand over his chest, getting dicked down.
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>>41216293
>I'm a straight
>*followed by the gayest shit imaginable*
4chan never changes
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>>41216298
Please contact Harvard university and get studied because you are 100% immune to hormone fluctuation.

Just like these women who can't lose weight even if they stop eating or restrict their calories. We live in a century of miracles!
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>>41216307
If hormones didn't affect me, I wouldn't have experienced puberty.
The next time you reply to my post, please make sure to include even more exclamation marks with your weird-ass seething. We all know: the more exclamation marks, the stronger an argument.
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>>41216352
Why are you here wasting time talking to me? Contact Harvard ASAP. Tell them you experience 0% effects on your mood or brain chemistry despite your hormones rising and falling every month. You are immune. Hurry, sis!
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>>41216301
Thats not real attraction tho. I cannot orgasm without thinking girls
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>>41216295
Nah, its all fantasy. Women are the real monster fuckers and actually prefer if the "man" is not a human
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>>41216366
so youre gay
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>>41216363
Not enough exclamation marks.
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>>41216372
So why is the monster not female then pray tell..
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>>41216393
https://www.harvard.edu/contact-harvard/

Hurry sis!
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>>41204980
Is afab pertaining to fully female or just raised female? There are differences for sure if you’re intersex. I have a vagina and balls and I never experienced female puberty but did experience female socialization. What kinds of experiences do you mean?
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>>41216411
nta
What's with the ''sis'' thing?
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>>41216397
Comphet
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>>41216466
I mean lesbians or bisexual women who still are in love with "fictional" men or monsters, who are male.
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why did this thread become a battle between "all women are lesbians" vs "all women are straight"
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>>41216414
unfortunately intersex people don't actually exist because that doesn't work for the rhetoric
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>>41216386
I'm straight and have no romantic desires towards women. I love my bf more than anything, that I know.
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>>41216474
They are not real, does not matter. Women watch lesbian porn more than they watch cis men. Those people are real.
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>>41216476
Fembrain vs moidbrain...
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>>41216482
This is either moid LARP or you are hetero-romantic and sexually a lesbian.

>>41216490
>men jerking off to fictional children who sound like children and are voiced by children
>totally valid and does not MATTER, it's no pedo-at all
>because it is fictional

Ok if you want to believe this kind of logic. Id on't.
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>>41216476
Because some retard started nitpicking a single sentence.
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>>41216481
I mean afab and amab were initially teens used for intersex people to describe being raised in a binary way, or modified to a binary, and now it just means bio/natal female and male

There are 100% afab experiences that are unique to intersex people but no ones interested in those
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>>41216522
*terms sorry
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>>41216501
>This is either moid LARP or you are hetero-romantic and sexually a lesbian
I'm straight and have been 8 years with my bf, so maybe I know better
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>>41216501
All men masturbate to loli manga/anime sometimes.
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>>41216533
>All men masturbate to loli

No. Please stop projecting.
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>>41216533
this isn't true and you probably think that because you and your friends are pedophiles
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>>41216529
Why do men have this urge to LARP as women so much? Enough. Get a grip.
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>>41216555
I'm a female, cope with it. Not everyone is like you. I suck my bfs dick and when he goes down on me, I think of girls!!!!
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>>41216581
Record a vocaroo confirming your femaleness in the next 2 minutes or larp.
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>>41205002
this desu. most of the social shit differs from culture to culture, and family to family, so being targeted by predators or treated as an item isnt really exclusive to being afab. The social aspects tied to biology (like being thought of as breeding stock or a living incubator) might be harder to find an exact equivalent to, but even then some parents do put a lot of pressure on their boys to procreate. There is always going to be outliers in terms of how you're raised and treated by the world surrounding you.
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>>41216589
Don't think so. Its more likely that you are a larping moid since you want to believe that we all just love male bodies and cocks so much
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>>41216106
Wow I guess we only performatively went to the moon
Retard
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>>41216604
MOID LARP CONFIRMED

Moving on.
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I like how this thread has both had someone insisting that menstrual cycle mood effects are extremely rare and a disease state, and someone insisting that they are 100% universal and no one is immune to them.
OP, add “understudying and rabid politicization of basic bodily functions” to the list!
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>>41216636
>menstrual cycle mood effects are extremely rare and a disease state, and someone insisting that they are 100% universal and no one is immune to them.
extreme mood effects are a disease state. getting seriously depressed before period ain't normal.
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>>41216657
Yeah, it's supposed to happen AFTER it, if anything. Before and during should be the mentally best moments.
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>>41216666
>Before and during should be the mentally best moments.
wasted digits. before is the horny & easily upset time. during is the transition state. after is minimal horny, back to more emotionally stable. that's the general pattern for those who report period-related mood effects.
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>>41205212
>My mom did not let me have a male doll so I had to make my barbies scissor with each other or use my bikermice as a breeding male.
maybe ur mom was right to not get u a boy doll, if you were just making all your dolls have sex with each other lol?
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>>41216681
>making all your dolls have sex with each other
Lmao all girls do this at some point
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>>41216674
I guess different people report different things. This one is how it personally works for me.
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>>41216611
We are talking about what can only AFABs experience.
The absence of any achievement that isn't performative is something that no AMAB will ever have.

Are you implying it's wom*n who went to the Moon? Never heard of that. Tell me more, you've got my attention.
And if you are not implying that, then how the fuck did you came to the conclusion that the "they" in my post isn't about "AFABs"?
Where have you been living all these years? Are the women in your alternative reality the inventors, the murderers and the builders?
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>>41216695
yeah it does differ from person to person
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>>41216711
I wonder what kind of things make it different for different people. I guess it will be something too complicated for us to ever test...
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>>41216636
>someone insisting that they are 100% universal and no one is immune to them.

Yes? How would anyone be "immune" to hormones changing in their body affecting their very brain chemistry?
Maybe their effects are perceived as more mild subjectively but these retards ITT claim they have no effects at all.
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>>41216614
Speak for yourself. Post a vocaroo of yourself talking in 2 mins from now. Topic must be how you are not a moid larper, go!
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>>41216696
this is such a retarded take goddamn misogyny really rots a motherfuckers brain
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>>41216752
You're talking to a retarded tranny.
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>>41216696
Men enslave womem for millenia and then make fun when women have to been allowed the same opportunities. Use google if you want to know what women have achieved but I bet nothing satisfies you cause you have decided that its all perfromative
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>>41216744
I didn't make the insane statement about "being a woman who is 100% straight but can only cum thinking about women" which is moid LARP
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>>41216772
Its a stupid moid who lurks here and on pol. Obsessed with faggots
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>>41216772
The conspirator person is a tranny?? I aways thought that was a cis man
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>>41216785
Self-admitted repper.
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>>41216782
MOID LARP CONFIRMED move on folks
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>>41216790
self hating transbian chaser whos misogyny is stopping him from trooning
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>>41216790
Aha. Damn. I guess I have missed it. Now that makes a lot what they post make more sense.
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>>41204980
Perhaps expectation of being into men since very early age?
Idk what else might be unique to AFABs.
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>>41216790
reppers are cis men or transwomen depending on which one makes their opinion less valuable in each given thread. in this one i'm giving him moid status
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>>41204980
I wanna be a slime girl!
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>>41216752
>No arguments
Womp womp.
>>41216772
I know you! You are the newfag from /lit/.
I knew you were a tranny.
>>41216785
I am a cishet man.
I get a lot of hate from ftms because I basically use only terf arguments against them and also because I am manly while at the same time having a good amount of fembrained hobbies. I think they are jealous of me because of that.

You can spot ftms following me around constantly. Back in the days they used to do picrel. Since then, they changed tactic. They answer to any anon who (You)s me with bullshit stuff about me (that even contraddicts what the stuff I said).
For example:
>>>/lit/24758861 After I said that I spent 3 years studying the Bible. There are other examples too.
They do two things: make shit up, and never (You) me. Literally taletellers. They can't escape it.
>>41216784
>Flux spreads around that I am obsessed with faggots
>Ftms trust her
Why are you believing a fucking "lesbian" who posted herself twice, once in skinny jeans and the other time in bikini? Of all people, a fucking eslut topkek.
>>41216779
Do you remember when a woman wrote the code for the picture of the black hole? How much of it was actually written by a man? Google it. But I bet nothing satisfies you cause you have decided its not performative.
Go back fighting for your fourth wave feminism, anon. And while we are at it, can you explain to be what rights do you still need to start having the same opportunities?

>TIFs gang up on me as soon as I talk ill about women
The fucking irony.

I told you that this is the first and final black pill of this thread. The seethe it generated lmao.
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>>41217057
I think you must be obsessed with ftms cause you are talking to cis women here and bring up ftms over nothing. Men always bring up their true desires as you let them speak. Go to ftmgen to find your cute vagina twink bf, its ok, its not really gay
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>>41217057
>I know you! You are the newfag from /lit/.
>I knew you were a tranny.
...I don't even go on /lit/. Thanks for proving me right, I guess.
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>>41217057
>I get a lot of hate from ftms because I basically use only terf arguments against them
What kind of TERF arguments do you use?
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>>41217057
>Go back fighting for your fourth wave feminism, anon. And while we are at it, can you explain to be what rights do you still need to start having the same opportunities?
I think women are doing fine as they are now and achieving plenty. Of course millenia of opression does have its affects
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>>41217057
take your titty skittles
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>>41216790
Fake news, alternative facts.
Imagine getting obsessed with your body because of such a superficial view of gender.
You can prove I'm not a repper by looking at this thread alone.
The trannies keep talking about the body: AFAB-only experiences are pregnancy and periods to them, that's literally it.
The only two people who said anything about behaviour are: the gaycel (women enjoy suffering) and me (women are performative).
We cissies see you as agents, beings with free will. Even some mtfs agree with that.
Having hirsutism doesn't make you a man. Having gyno doesn't make you a woman.
The hsts are so beloved: why? Because they are closer to women behaviourally. And yet reppers wanna cut their dicks instead of learning what non-performative actions only AFABs do.
I said this way too many times: if any of you didn't have this surface level understanding of gender, you'd be devoting your life to understanding the opposite gender. Alas, you think a poorly dosed injection of one of the hormones (or even worse, just a substitute of it) will give you a reason not to kill yourself.
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>>41216733
Lmao, see OP?
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>>41216696
Bro like half the people I’ve known of both sexes have no fucking achievements, achievements are a spook, destroy your electronics and don’t post again until you’re over 30
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>>41217057
Nigger you have literal schizophrenia
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>>41204980
Pregnancy
Menstruation
Basically anything that hinges on the female reproductive system
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>>41217089
>to cis women
>on /lgbt/
Weak bait.
>>41217121
Yeah, I'll obviously trust you. Though next time you should change your posting style.
>>41217158
Why would I remember how I trolled bitches a year ago?
>>41217279
>Half of the people a user from the mongolian basket weaving forum are complete and utter users
Checks out.
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>>41217164
>Of course millenia of opression does have its affects
Absolutely. If only Karen who's working at Walmart was a multicentury old being who lived through all those eras.
Too bad that Karen is a college dropout, who thinks history is for nerds and watches Temptation Island after she worked her ass off. So she really doesn't care about basing her lifechoices on what Wollstonecraft said, she doesn't even know who that is. She instead get swindled by her emotions when she votes, when she buys her clothes, when she accepts a marriage proposal.
In other words, no one knows history. If they are oppressed, it's because of something that exists right now, something that needs to be fixed right now. In other words, some woman's right is still lacking. But which one?

This post is the proof of why you are all just larping men.
If any of you were actual cis women, you'd know what the fuck fourth wave feminism is asking for.
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literal schizo. kinda sad how he used to be more coherent.
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>>41217522
Your misogynia is showing. Women do plenty in this day and age and have already surpassed men. Only thing that women are not allowed to do is rule, because it makes men feel bad.

Most women don't give a fuck about your waves of feminism. Go back to stalking poon boys or something
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>>41217543
Men who pride themselves as "rational" often morph into these sad creatures
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>>41217568
>Your misogynia is showing.
Please, you offend me. I'm a misanthope.
>Most women don't give a fuck about your waves of feminism.
My waves? Anon, maybe start talking to actual holes for once.
>Women do plenty in this day and age and have already surpassed men.
Amazing generalization. I will answer accordinly: No they don't kek.
>Go back to stalking poon boys
>Pls bully the pooners, plssssss. Not a masochistic pooner btw.
You are all the same...
>poon boys
Call them women, tranny. Call them for what they trully are.
>Go back
Read that again. Slowly.
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>>41217680
can you just rope and stop shitting up threads i came back to this board after years last week and i'm already sick of you
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>>41217583
>makes shit up
When did I proud myself as being rational?
>>41217543
>Doesn't (You) me

They. just. can't. help. it.
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>>41217748
I just know you wish you had a pre poon tomboy girlfriend, you are the type
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>>41217715
>Claims to be an oldfag in the most generic way
>Doesn't know what the fuck are filters
Put some effort into it next time.
>>41217774
>you wish you had a pre poon tomboy girlfriend
No, but I did say that I would a couple times on /ftmg/.
Go back chugging T, nona.
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>>41217889
>No, but I did say that I would a couple times on /ftmg/
So you admit it, haha
>Go back chugging T, nona.
Nice try but I'm a cis woman
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>>41217889
i'm not an oldfag. "i used the board years ago then left and came back last week" doesn't mean "i was here in 2013 and just returned after 12 years as a wise old man"
also filtering you out isn't enough i want you dead
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>>41217365
>Why would I remember how I trolled bitches a year ago?
Idk, I assumed that everyone remembers the arguments they bring up. Especially if they read theory for it. That's all. Was just curious because I assumed that TERF arguments are actually the least effective against ftms.
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>>41217919
>So you admit it, haha
No, I use missav for that matter.
I falseflag to know who comes from where. How new are you to 4chan?
For example, I only ever shown that I was a tankie on /ftmg/, while on /lit/ I post more /pol/ like stuff.
>>>/lit/24757425 Vs >>41151985.
So we can that the anon who said I post on /pol/ comes from /lit/.
There are other things I falseflag as. For example, I only said on /ftmg/ that I "wanna get serious with esoteric buddhism" https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/40591548/#40602428. On /lit/ all I ever was is biblical unitarian >>>/lit/24297132. I also used to say on /ftmg/ that I am a unitarian christian https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/37778635/#37782145.
If someone says I hate christ it means they are someone who used /ftmg/.

I have literally no identity, anon. You can't even namecall me without making shit up. You are not Anonymous, I am.
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>>41218028
>Doesn't even know what an oldfag is.
Checks out
>i want you dead
You need to be at least 18 to post on 4chan
>>41218064
>Especially if they read theory for it
You don't read theory when it comes to women.
>TERF arguments are actually the least effective against ftms
Ftms don't care about men, like any woman for that matter.
Try asking them the name of any MGTOW member. They just don't know. You think they'll make a new term for a trans exclusionary MGTOW? For someone who is in the manosphere but is against trannies? No.
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>>41218395
i'm over 18 and i want you dead
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>>41218436
>Over 18
>Still on 4chan
Grow up.
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>>41218449
so you ARE a 14 year old edgelord. got it
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>>41218455
And you are the femrepper who also transitioned at 10. Welcome back, TH.
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>>41218313
You are so cute. Pls date me ;)
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>>41218395
>Ftms don't care about men, like any woman for that matter.
Why would they not care about men? As in, a lot of them have attachments to men (some of those attachments and interest being the cause of pooning in the first place), so why would they not care about the object of affection?
>You think they'll make a new term for a trans exclusionary MGTOW? For someone who is in the manosphere but is against trannies? No.
There's no need for such a term because it is not like trans inclusive manosphere is a big enough thing to contrast against trans exclusive parts. It's different than with feminism where the trans exclusive part is actually the smaller part (if I understand it correctly, I'm not big into researching about feminism).
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>>41218395
>Ftms don't care about men
Ftms worship men and they are trying to brand misandry as a thing that matters or is real (its not)
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>Giving attention to a namefag.
Retards.
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>>41218603
It's too fun, sorry.
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>>41218603
But I want to be his little discord kitten :3
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>>41218519
I love you too, but, you see, my heart is with TH.
>>41218536
>so why would they not care about the object of affection
Do you think women understand men and viceversa? If you care about someone you need to understand them, but if you think about it, all they do is what they wish for their partner to have/to be/to do.
>if I understand it correctly, I'm not big into researching about feminism
Anon, I'm not gonna explain feminism to you. I'm not gonna explain the social world of women either.
>>41218590
LMAO. They worship yaoi shotas. Very far fetched from stuff like the average incel.
If you ever tell them you are an incel, they'll say it doesn't exist. And the next time you disagree with them they will call you that. They have zero fucking clue as to what a man is outside of whatever stuff they have been told by other women.
What male issues are there? What male rights need to be recognized?
All they are is a bunch of liberals. Even the 4chan ones.
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>>41218603
Mind you, I don't even post here as often as when you used to be around.
I am mostly on /pol/ as of late.
Guess who is the janny posting in this thread.
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>>41218656
>Do you think women understand men and viceversa? If you care about someone you need to understand them, but if you think about it, all they do is what they wish for their partner to have/to be/to do
I think women and men understand each other, especially if they talk to the other one long enough. Not understand fully because you can't understand someone 100%. For example, I think I'm a woman-understander at this point because I grew up with a lot of them so I know how they operate, I'm very close with my sister, and it's hard for them to surprise me.
Everyone has some wants on how their partner has to be/what they need to do. Doesn't mean that one can't understand the other. Sometimes you can want despite understanding, or you can pause on wants because of understanding the other's situation.
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>>41218773
>I think I'm a woman-understander at this point because I grew up with a lot of them s I know how they operate, I'm very close with my sister, and it's hard for them to surprise me
Interracting with them is not enough.
Women change the tone of their voices around men, anon. You ain't even beginning to comprehend how deep is the rabbit hole.
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>>41218908
>Women change the tone of their voices around men
How do you know? Plus even if they were, I doubt that would affect much
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>>41219328
>How do you know?
Start with: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6304053/.
Good night and happy reading.
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>>41219328
lmaooo



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