Why do so many so many MTFs have an intelligence reduction kink?
>>41207766Anime probably. All girls are cute retards in anime. They want to be a cute retard instead of a pedantic autist.
Depression induced brain damage could be referred to as inteligence reduction, I suppose.Depression is strongest after masturbating due to genital dysphoria.There is now a direct correlation between intelligence reduction, trauma, and sexual stimuli; which leads to the development of a fetish. The development of fetishes can be both a coping mechanism (demostrated most strongly in some rape victims) or a response to something occuring consistently in response to sexual stimuli. For example, if rats are forced to wear a vest the first time they have sex, then they will almost always prefer to wear the vest when having sex in the future. Read about it here: https://www.livescience.com/48980-rats-sexual-attraction-lingerie.htmlThis is heavily antecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt, but I also remember a story about a man who started masturbating to pictures of printers when he was 15, and by the time he was an adult he developed a "printer fetish". Same reason you can train yourself to become aroused when a certain song plays. Try it, if you want. Fetishes can also be a trauma response as a sort of coping mechanism. It's the reason some sexual assault victims develop related fetishes and why someone abandoned by their mother would, for example, develop an Oedipus complex. Also, if you beleive in it, you could also argue it's autogynephilia caused by the stereotype that women are natrually less intelligent than men. I feel like AGP is far less common than most people think, so this usually isn't the case, in my opinion.So, what we have here is consistency, sexual stimuli, and some form of mental trauma. This leads to a fetish, which in our case is inteligence reduction.
>>41207766>being an out mtf is correlated with higher IQ>intelligence reduction kink likely correlated with higher IQ>being an out mtf is correlated with an intelligence reduction kink
>>41207766most mtfs are high iqmost mtfs are forced to repress their personality and sexuality growing uptherefore more mtfs have a lop-sided development where they are exclusively valued for their intelligence and not their beauty or personality this leads to a neurotic obsession over their own intelligence where they are terrified of acting or being dumb because then they'd be worthless in their own eyes this neurotic obsession manifests as a sexual fetish where they are freed from this burden of having to always be the smart one by being made dumb also most mtfs are sexually submissive and being intellectually inferior to someone is an extreme form of submission. >>41207940i wouldn't say just anime, there's a general lack of female role models in academic fields, sure more women graduate from uni nowadays but einsteins, beethovens and foucaults of the world are overwhelmingly male also i've noticed that dumber people tend to be seen as less androgynous (i.e more masculine/feminine), which could be another driving force behind this >>41207981this is a good point too desu>>41208016yeah but idk it seems uniquely common in MTFs, maybe I've just looked in the wrong circles, I remember reading an article a while back about how some harvard egg-head got exposed for having an age-regression fetish
>>41207766I just wish I was dumber and didn't get how bad everything is. I'd be happier not knowing
>>41207766It's not really a kink for me, but I think acting a bit dumb just makes you more fun to be around.Plus a childhood of academic praise that felt closer to people thinking of me as useful to them, rather than actually being happy with me as a person probably left some mental scars... Not a "burned out gifted kid", I'm still going strong and show no signs of stopping, but acting dumb with friends brings more joy than acing my classes.
>>41208056>uniquely common in mtfsthis could be true but could also be because mtfs are much more likely to share their kinks publicly. you (as an mtf) might also be better at relating to and picking up on kinks they have w/o them telling you vs doing the same for a male harvard professor
>>41208056Ooh that's a really good point I hadn't considered that. Thank you btw.
>>41207766I was evaluated for learning disabilities as a kid and they did an IQ test and I scored high. I was in the Mensa kid organization and my parents made me feel the expectation of it very hard. As a teenager I started getting bullied a lot and had nothing positive to define myself with other than allegedly being smart, but my grades started falling off under the stress as well. I like intelligence reduction as a kink because it makes me feel like I can lose the one thing I always clung onto for having value as a person and still be desired, or even be desired because of it.
>>41207766because they went to jupiter to get more stupider pre-transition.they just miss jupiter
>>41208094same
>>41209613There are only like three or four mtf personalities and back stories that we all share
>>41208094same, same, same except I also became really insecure about my intelligence because when I went to university I was surrounded by people smarter than me and it made me feel worthless, which made me hate my kink while also making it more powerfulit haunts me like a spectre and drains my emotional bandwidth, my relationship with it is borderline obsessive. But recently I've tried to accept it more, idk how to go about integrating though. I tried dealing with my bimbofication fetish by embracing effeminacy more (highlights, more makeup, prettier outfits) but the intelligence part of the fetish hasn't gone away...
>>41210045I totally relate to university making me more insecure. I've definitely come to realise that I was mostly just a big fish in a small pond. I'm not trying to reject the kink though, I know I'm really into it and I want to try it for real. I've accepted that I'm not actually that smart, but j absolutely could and should be dumber. You're right that leaning into femininity more is a way to play around with it a bit. Doesn't actually make you dumber of course, but people do treat you like you are
>>41207766Being intelligent sucks ass actually so I can totally understand why someone would fetishize losing IQ. All you do is recognize data patterns nobody else sees or understands and you live your entire life surrounded by complete idiots you can only pity and run away from or slow down for and lose progress to. It's like being a sports car stuck in traffic 99% of your life unless you're born into the money needed to make anything out of your intelligence, and even that is just horribly isolating professional work and inhuman levels of grind that meets zero human needs, it just gives you tons of money. Why do you think all the smartest people of the modern day are investing and working to make AI companions a thing? Nothing understands us. Nothing CAN understand us. We're barely even human.>t. 152 IQ
>>41208056>most mtfs are forced to repress their personality and sexuality growing up>therefore more mtfs have a lop-sided development where they are exclusively valued for their intelligence and not their beauty or personality >this leads to a neurotic obsession over their own intelligence where they are terrified of acting or being dumb because then they'd be worthless in their own eyes >this neurotic obsession manifests as a sexual fetish where they are freed from this burden of having to always be the smart one by being made dumb >>also most mtfs are sexually submissive and being intellectually inferior to someone is an extreme form of submission.yeah this
>>41210359i kinda had the opposite experience, i spent my entire childhood until i was 18 in private GT schools isolated from retards. when i went to uni, i chose to go somewhere that offered me a full ride and got dumped into this anon's (>>41210777) experience. i fully believe over 30% of humans aren't truly conscious
>>41207766most of the trans women ive met with an intelligence reduction kink previously had or currently have a bimbofication fetish so its probably an extension / part of that ? vestigial kink. could also be that everyone i know is a weird fuck also tbf
>>41207766>>41210777This. Being intelligent just means you can see how awful the world around you truly is, and if youre poor then you can see just how retarded the structures keeping you poor are. Every single day I go to work is hell and I feel like a prisoner in my own life because of it. Wage slavery is a very real thing just most people dont think enough to see it.
>>41207981>Depression induced brain damagethis explains a lot
>>41211899It really does, huh? I also have something to admit. I was the example of the person with the Oedipus complex.
>>41208016Ye but trans men have higher iq and they don't have that
>>41210930>i fully believe over 30% of humans aren't truly consciousScience around inner monologues actually proves this number close to correct. Estimates are usually around 25% of people not having any inner thoughts, quite literally head empty.>For example, Hurlburt estimates that between 30% and 50% of people frequently experience an inner monologue.7 His research using Descriptive Experience Sampling has indicated that most people don’t experience their inner monologue all the time, and many go through large parts of their days without experiencing it at all.>On the other hand, researchers using different research methods have concluded that the frequency of inner speech is much higher. One study suggests that people experience it 75% of the time.https://www.verywellmind.com/does-everyone-have-an-inner-monologue-6831748
>>41207766I spend a lot of time with my pretty functional brain screaming at me.The idea of that not happening is very appealing, it's also why I like intox.As in, my subconscious tries to eat me a lot with low self worth, dysphoria, dysmorphia etc and being too stupid for my brain to feel that would obviously be a relief.>>41208094This basically
I love my fellow intelligence kink MTFs, this kink is probably the singular most shameful secret I have, it's so degrading and humiliating, not only the kink itself but also what it implies about me.Atleast I can be at ease around other gals who suffer from it...
>>41214803I experience my inner monologue 100% of the time, my mental "off" state is letting my monologue aimlessly wander while staring out of the window
>>41210359How are you making yourself dumber? And is this decision entirely motivated by fetishism?
>>41214943You can temporarily make yourself dumber with hypnosis if you're susceptible to that, or like the other anon said intoxication. I wouldn't want to make myself dumber permanently, it would obviously be disadvantageous and also reduce the intensity of the experience over time.For me personally yes, this is 100% a fetish and nothing else. Outside of this I always work to learn new things and make myself smarter and more educated, because I enjoy knowing and understanding things very much. This is also why I wouldn't want to make myself dumber permanently, it would obviously be disadvantageous and also reduce the intensity of the experience over time. If you're dumb forever, you eventually get used to it and its not as easy to get yourself off over what you've lost anymore. You also can't be self consciously embarrassed and horny about how dumb you acted when you get back to your normal self
>>41215011What does intelligence reduction hypnosis feel like? What does your mind feel like in that state? What do you do you usually do after being hypnotised? Do you share the experience with anyone? How long have been doing it?You sound similar to me, except I've always been too scared to try hypnosis. I think I'm close to giving in though.
>>41214803I had a whole deep ass conversation with what can only be described as a tulpa of my roommate in my head the other day. Ive had this shit happen a couple times before with people I care about and its usually only when I am tired as all hell but its neat.Its happened a few times when I was really high and I couldnt tell if I actually had that conversation with them or not.
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>>41215226how'd you get a tulpa? I've been wondering about that stuff for a bit but never bothered to actually look it up
>>41215313Im just neurotic enough that I worry enough about what people around me think to the point that they kind of developed into their own beings in my head.
>>41215313>>41215362Basically its just if I know a person long enough it will eventually get to a point where Ill catch myself idly conversing with them in my head on a fairly regular basis.
>>41210777Being ~135 is even worse. You're aware that most people below you are idiots and suffer from it but you're also well aware of your stupidity compared to people like you. We're basically the idiot demographic of sentient people
>>41215380Idk my iq but Im familiar with intellectual ways of thinking and so Im very painfully aware of how stupid I am but it also makes me really sad about how much destruction is brought about just because of how afraid people are of admitting theyre wrong.
>>41215380Yep >t. 133 IQ working in a lab filled with people who make me feel completely retarded constantly it's even worse because they're all hyperfunctional too, meanwhile I can barely summon the energy to pay my bills, let alone juggle several demanding hobbies on top of a full time job
>>41215380That is EXACTLY what being at 135 feels like lol. You get to feel smart around dumb people just often enough that whenever you meet someone actually intelligent, it knocks you down a peg every single time.God, I need someone actually smart to put me in my place as the barely sentient idiot I am
>>41215440The feeling really hurts doesnt it lolEspecially when you don't even have the intelligence reduction kink. Just thinking about it makes me wanna kms
>>41215466In daily life it just makes me feel kind of shitty too. But if someone were to deliberately fuck with me that way to intentionally make me feel small and dumb because they enjoy it and it gets them off too, it would still really hurt me, but also it would be so fucking hot
>>41215564I guess developing a fetish out of it is more productive than just being suicidal
>>41215608Yeah its pretty fun. If you ever manage to get over your insecurity enough to not want to kill yourself over it, you'll probably get there on your own actually, if you have a masochistic streak in you
>>41215466>>41215608NTA, I do have the intelligence reduction kink but I hate it because it constantly triggers the feeling of insecurity that I already feel
>>41215724All the best kinks do that. If it didn't strike at your core, you probably wouldn't be sexualizing it to begin with
>>41215721I doubt it, I am a bit masochistic but iq and intelligence has always been my weak spot. I actually went to get tested a year ago because my line of thinking was that if I'm an ugly tranny I should at least have a high iq, and if I don't even have that my life isn't really worth living. I scored the maximum of 135 and although I know that it can't be much higher than that it made that feeling better, at least until now that I got reminded that not only are there people much smarter than me but they pity me for being so stupid. Oh well
>>41215735Yeah I knowwhich makes me surprised that so many people seem to be able to indulge in their kinks with seemingly no shame. Meanwhile I feel a deep feeling of despair when fantasising about thisIdk, I wish I knew how to get over it so I could move onto the fun part.
>>41215724You have a point, although for me knowing people smarter than me are probably on a higher level of sentience is closer to agony than pain you could potentially enjoy
>>41215743Speaking seriously for a moment, you probably shouldn't invest that much of your self worth in your IQ. I have been tested several times over the course of my life and I've scored anywhere from 109 brainlet level to also the limit of what the test could measure. The idea of IQ as some objective measurement that expresses a fixed property of you as a person is complete nonsense and if you purely derive self esteem from that, you're at best tying it to something entirely immaterial and at worst setting yourself up for a self destructive spiral if you ever test again and score lower for whatever reason. You should find things you like about yourself in relation to other people, not some outdated psychometric test that only exists because HR drones like it>>41215747I think there is some shame with it for everyone. Its what makes it appealing and its there for me as well. I wouldn't want my coworkers or family knowing about this. But where I think the difference is is in developing a self esteem that's based on multiple things about yourself, not just how smart you may or may not be. When I was a teenager or in my early twenties, this would also have been utterly devastating to me, because I had nothing else about me I thought had value. With more life experience, it's still an aspect of what gives me self worth, but its not the only thing, so playing with it still hurts but is tolerable. So in short, you probably need to live more to build self esteem to enjoy this
>>41215783I know, a lot of people say that. Idk, I just can't help it. Every time I think Im done with it and will finally be happy regardless of my iq I just go back to dooming about it sooner or later. I really feel like it's over for me as far as that goes. I guess thats just my problem, I also obsess over niche measurements like the finger digit ratio, might be just because of my autism
>>41215783>But where I think the difference is is in developing a self esteem that's based on multiple things about yourself, not just how smart you may or may not be.yeah this is the conclusion I've reached too, it's just hard because I'm pretty meh in most things. Like I take pride in my appearence and my fitness but as a tranny I'm not particularly amazing in either, and even then, I will eventually become old and grow even uglier and even weaker I suppose the answer is that I need to develop inherent self worth, but fuahtiaulwfhdtiuwaht it's hard to change how I feel about myself so much. I'm trying anyway.
>>41215985Do you have friends at all? If you do, they could probably tell you some things they value about you and odds are they're not your IQ or how strong or pretty you are. If you don't, its definitely time to make some.
>>41216009Not the one you're asking but I'm wondering, why'd you even care about what your friends value in you? Sure, it's nice, but it can't compare to what you value or don't value about yourself. For example, they might think you have a "nice personality" whatever. How could you possibly care about that when that is not something you value about yourself as well? Ultimately, Id say that for most people what others value comes only after your own values, and if you value something out of your reach you're pretty much fucked
>>41216071Its a good starting point when you don't have anything you really value about yourself like the other anon. When you're just full of self loathing and can't see anything good about yourself, taking an outside point of view can help. Also I think its kind of immaterial to have "things you value about yourself". We are nothing outside of our relationship with others and having this atomized view is prone to distortion by self perception and isn't actually healthy I think
>>41216316>Also I think its kind of immaterial to have "things you value about yourself". We are nothing outside of our relationship with others and having this atomized view is prone to distortion by self perception and isn't actually healthy I thinkNTA, but if you can do that do you even have such things? I'd find it easier to cut contact with everyone I care about than to not value the things I think are important (despite them being wholly ''immaterial''). ''Getting over'' that would be the same as killing myself and trying to create a completely different person; and what would even be the point of that? Certainly not personal happiness as that new person has values so different from mine that I can't imagine that person achieving personal happiness to be the same as ''myself'' being happy.
>>41216471The things you value about yourself can't actually give you any interpersonal value if they're not actualised through your relations with others. For example, you could deeply value honesty and integrity about yourself, but if you just hide away in your home all the time, you will never embody them and so never actually derive value from them. Even if you would embody them if you were to go outside, unless you actually do it they remain immaterial.And conversely, other people can derive value from things about yourself you've never even considered and didn't think would contribute to your value. To build a healthy self esteem, what you should aim to do is embody the things you value in relation to other people and try to integrate the things they value about yourself that you didn't into your concept of what gives you value. You don't have to and shouldn't become an entirely different person, but you have to discursively and continually remake yourself by contributing to the lives of others
>>41207766because everyone always acts like im more intelligent than them and im really not, so it feels nice to not have that
>>41207766i don'ti just want to be cherished/loved for just being there as a person even the slightest bit, not used for other's short term gain for once, and being responsible for everything ever while on tranny difficulty kinda sucks
>>41207766I can't say for everyone but being raised as aconservative catholic Sicilian who was being groomed to be the next patriarch it makes a lot of sense. All of the responsibility was constantly dumped on me for years, my family gave me the hardest most dangerous work. They didn't just expect me to man up like that either, they kept me in a catholic school for 6 years into was pummeled in daily and picked on by the students, parents and staff until I consistently defended myself.It all kind worked I mean before I found out what HRT was I decided to be the best tman I could be and tried to make the best of things. I pummeled anyone that hit me until I got dragged off, I even almost got charged with a hate crime when a kid stuck gum in my hair. Since I couldn't be more normal I decided to excel instead of just getting one beard (I'm bi but it totally was for cover) I fucked as many women as I could and became notorious.Did i want to do any of that shit? Not really I did enjoy a brief period of being GNC and tough where I would threaten football players "do you really wanna get best up by the fight in pigtails" and being a party animal was pretty amusing. The rest of it though was miserable and I was under so much internal and external pressure.So yeah I developed a huge kink aboht "giving in" to pleasure and hedonism, throwing down my responsibilities, I dreamed of giving up my manhood literally and metaphorically and just becoming a bimbo, slut. It only got worse after twink death when I really had to start living as a man at 22/23.At a certain point I just had to recognize that most of the kinks and stuff were really bad escapism and and copes meanwhile I really didn't want to be a man.Trooned out and now I'm just momming it up gardening, keeping the house tidy, decorating, getting better at makeup and clothes. I'm really happy and my one big sadness is the fact that I probably couldn't have had a (bi/pan)wife and a daughter if I trooned out at 22.
>>41207766If I could just be... less aware of the world sometimes that would be soothing
>>41219235Have you tried alcohol?
>>41219293alcohol is poisontry weed
anyone here try hypno? can you go into as much detail as possible about what it's like? How it feels mentally?
>>41219958I mean I've done bambi sleep...it feels nice, really calm and quiet inside
>>41219958You can just try an audio and see for yourself. Its of course different with a partner, but will give you a feel for it
>>41219976bambi sleep is a little bit too intense for me, idk, too many horror stories, personality erasure, really intense and invasive triggers. Everyone says "just wear a uniform" but the later files introduce a mental uniform and I've heard about people's Bambis choosing to listen to the later files against OS better judgementwhich makes it sound incredibly hot and strong, but also too dangerous...>>41219988i'm scared...
>>41220020>bambi sleep is a little bit too intense for me, idk, too many horror stories, personality erasure, really intense and invasive triggers. Everyone says "just wear a uniform" but the later files introduce a mental uniform and I've heard about people's Bambis choosing to listen to the later files against OS better judgementyeah when I used it I was pretty careful about what files I listened to, I avoided anything that made bambi take over without a uniform or stuff like that but like one of the best parts of bambi was just having no internal monologue for a while after, actually just no need to think about anything at allI kinda want to get back into it
>>41220020There is not much to be scared of if you don't listen to some kind of known sketchy stuff like Bambi sleep. Just don't listen to anything that claims to do something permanent
I'm a trans man and I have the same fetish because sex is the only time I'm not spiraling out about my place in the world or future or obligations or worth to my loved ones. When I'm fucking if I asked myself if there's something else I'm supposed to be doing instead answer is No. When I'm fucking I don't wonder or worry or withdraw, I feel completely absorbed in the feeling. Like I can't even put together a coherent thought, good sex makes my brain fucking stupid and it feels good so it's hot. That dumb feeling just means the sex worked
