>>41217952
This is why women historically did not have much autonomy. They cannot be trusted to make decision for themselves. Our ancestors knew this fact, and it is by rebelling against their wisdom that we've ended up where we are now.

>>41217971
>you know what the cure to the sexism that fueled a foid’s transition? More sexism!
You are so fucking retarded and evil that you should actually be removed from society

>>41217986
If someone had told this girl "no" at any time in her life she wouldn't be where she is now. If someone had said "no, you can't have your boobs cut off" "no, you can't have your ovaries ripped out" "no, you can't start taking cross-sex hormones before you even know what life is like" she wouldn't be here. All she needed was someone to tell her "no" and no one did.

>>41217952
>this is so deeply sad
It's not. Young people make stupid choices all the time and don't get coddled for it. No need to infantilize them.

>>41217952
>This teenaged fetish of seeking attention on Reddit is going to still be fulfilling to me when I'm an adult!
Oof

>>41218001
I personally was told "No" at every step of my transition, whether medical or social. So I took matters in my own hands and DIYed, fully turned my back on any legal system. Happier for it. If you need someone to "allow" you to transition, it's already over.

>>41217952
this is several years old and to this day that person never posted any proof for trannying
nothing burger

>>41218031
You can't DIY an oophorectomy retard.

>>41217952
/detrans is full of cis people larping

>>41218049
You can't. However, you don't need to be trans to get one.

>>41218049
You can pay boob removal out of pocket without diagnose

>>41217986
Moids are often so stupid it really hurts my soul

>>41217952
r/detrans
isn't that larp subreddit?

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>>41217952
i detransed during peak woke and i'm retransing now that woke is illegal. what can i say, i like a challenge

>>41218075
Do you know what an oophorectomy is
>>41218068
They don't let cis women get them precisely because most will regret it. Even women in their 30's typically can't get an oophorectomy or hysterectomy

>>41218099
based and hardmodepilled

>>41218101
>Even women in their 30's typically can't get an oophorectomy or hysterectomy
You can get one at 18 if you know the right people. Regardless, not the most important part about transition and I would personally not remove anything that produces hormones.

>>41218096
Yes, just like this board desu

>>41217952
I don't regret please leave me fucking alone stop hurting me because of other people it's not my fault

>>41217952
>ftmtf
as fucking always... lol how the fuck anyone would want to be a man... brainrot it is. 3rd wave bullshit or stupid entertainment with heroic violence commited by moids or yaoi or what the fuck???
>>41218052
yep. actualdetrans likely too but not as bad

>>41218101
They don't want cis women to have it cause one less incubator is a horrible crime against men!

>>41218127
What the fuck is this larp

>>41218141
>how the fuck anyone would want to be a man
Only an incel would ask something this stupid

>>41218151
The OP literally contains a woman who regrets having an oophorectomy

>>41218049
nta but you can, it's just significantly more dangerous than orchi

>>41218096
>isn't that larp subreddit?
yes it is lol

>>41218031
you will kill yourself within 18 months

>>41218174
Females do not have the conviction required to do something like that.

>>41217952
well at least shes not blaming other people

Just one more instance of AFAB's fucking it up for AMAB's since time began.

>>41217952
It’s funnier knowing now she’s being called a Nazi and the little light in her head is going “but you’re not a Nazi”. Shes so close to realizing her religion is built on ash

>>41218200
Nah. I've been living as male for years and it's been nice.

If you have AGP or AAP then you're not trans, and identifying as trans is tied the fulfillment of a sexual fetish that will wane as you age. Women do not fetishize being women, the source of their fulfillment is having a loving husband and producing children with him, which is absolutely foreign to these stupid men who's only connection to women is their sexual fetish.

>>41218351
AGPs can be dysphoric and you need dysphoria to be trans

>>41217952
im not detrans but i get it desu this is me grieving with my srs when i first realized i regret it

>>41218362
They're lying about having dysphoria. Again as with all things related to them, they think that saying they have something makes it real. Yet as soon as someone posts a thread dedicated to worshipping cis women through the lens of male heterosexuality, it gets 300 replies from the same trannies claiming to have dysphoria.

>>41218388
AGPs can have the mental illness gender dysphoria and denying this is akin to believing in flat earth

>>41217952
She's a necessary causality for trans rights. Where there's 1 of her, there's 100s of other that are glad they transitioned. Sometimes we gamble in life for happiness, and she lost, but it's nothing more than that, a gamble. She knew the risks.

>>41218096
yes this is a 45 year old white woman larping.
this comment is particularly bad:

Another thing that hurts is the loss of community. Getting indoctrinated as a child into gender identity theory, getting all into it, and now getting fucking blamed and stigmatized and mocked by the very community that I genuinely used to think had my back?? It hurts. Really bad. I didn’t know what I was getting myself into and now there’s not any way to take it all back.

i don't think it will copypaste properly but worth noting that "as a child" is italicized for emphasis.

I think we should kill the people who promoted transgenderism to these young vulnerable people tbhdesu.

>>41218410
I agree with you that they are mentally ill, but for another reason other than gender dysphoria. They are men who have allowed their sexual fetish to become their identity. As far as their supposed gender dysphoria, if they use their dick for sexual gratification then they don't have gender dysphoria.

>>41218451
Genital dysphoria isn't always present

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>>41217952
>as a cis lesbian
lol
That sub is a creative writing prompt. Don’t take it too seriously.

>>41218170
Its a larping cissy, thats what r/detrans is about

>>41217952
>cis lesbian
"Cis" has essentially just replaced the world "female." Cisgender means to conform to the gender assigned at birth. Meaning we're at the point where persons aren't being assigned at birth, so that means a male could be a "cis lesbian." It's a redundant term.

>>41217986
You hoes lack critical thinking and its concerning

>>41218520
A lot of people here are seriously fucked up, in terms of rational thought. It's like they got minds of children. I hope they're just baiting.

>>41218542
>replying to ur own post
kys retard

>>41218457
Because they're not trans women. They're men that have turned their sexual fetish into their identity. Not much else to say about it.

>>41217952
>be op
>15
>have accepting parents that take you to get diagnosed with dysphoria
>presumably spend 6 months proving you have it
>then spend 3 years on hrt, injecting every week to ensure you look as manly as possible
>ffw to 18
>didn't get any trans surgeries as a kid
>chop off breasts because men have flat chests
>happy with it
>decide that isn't good enough, get another random surgery
>which one?
>no clue
>best part is the nurse didn't even ask me to describe what was going to be done during the operation despite that being universal because of medical liability laws so they cut something out without checking I knew what was going to happen
>only then did I notice I didn't enjoy having a deep gruff voice that turns straight women on, or a hairy sweaty chest, or massive clitoral erections
>now, no longer one of the sisters and icky as some moid, I grieve my womanhood which will never be restored

>>41217952
why are ftm like this?

>>41218853
>Believing what you read from r/detrans

>>41217952
How did she not realize that she didn't want it during these years of taking testosterone from 15 to 18? Is it that slow working?

>>41218517
chud intellectuals

>>41218351
>the source of their fulfillment is having a loving husband and producing children with him
maybe in 1392

>>41217952
SHE WAS ONLY 18 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK

>>41218553
Funny how you project yourself as being "seriously fucked up."

>>41218981
poondosing is near guaranteed if you're under 18 iirc

>>41219061
It's "chud" to believe sex = gender. That's what TERFs believe, also.

>>41217952
>post woke
Wokeness is still alive and strong. Media is still infested with the crap, and has reduced IPs into rubble. Leftists used to be the popular side, now they're despised.

>>41219352
fucking lmao

>>41219221
Terf dont actually believe that retarded inbred, stick to your own subhuman talking points thats already more than you can handle

>>41219422
What do TERFs believe then, smart guy?

>>41219360
Yeah, leftists killing art, culture, and media is really funny.

>>41217952
/r/mtf, /r/egg_irl, the Gender Dysphoria Bible, and the widespread denial of AGP being a thing (especially by ppl like Contrapoints) has done enormous damage.

mentally ill teenagers fall into these reddit rabbit holes, and once they're convinced they have an ontological wombyn soul or vice versa the pseudodysphoria kicks in and they're screwed.

the TRA version of transgenderism is definitely satanic. It's worse than other forms of mortal sin because it permanently alters your body and requires you to basically have a second ego death to turn to Christ and be saved.

I could go on. Reddit is cancerous. And this board and places like /r/4tran4 are no better, just edgier. The troons on here are equally as deluded as the /r/mtf hons.

This also disproportionately affects women. It seems like 80% at least of detroons are women. I don't know why this is. I think it's more likely women troon due to trauma or disliking misogyny, whereas men troon due to AGP usually, so are less likely to detroon. Also, I think it's easier to reclaim your womanhood after an FtM transition than vice versa, you're a woman who fell into the troon trap versus a creepy now castrated man.

>>41218003
Choices can only be made in a social context. There is a social context of retarded reddit communities pushing transgenderism and an entire system of "doctors" pushing it as well. Your parents say "hey don't troon out that's idiotic, you're a man" but there's a whole medical establishment that says xyz organization said gender transition is an effective treatment for gender dysphoria.

It isn't denying personal responsibility to say that detroons are on some level victimized by the retarded state of trans politics on the left and the takeover of gender medicine by the WPATH and trans activists.

>>41218052
>>41218096
y'all always say this but it isn't true. insane cope. troons can't imagine people who fell for the tranny BS can actually come out of it and realize it's BS and regret it.

>>41219446
Dunno, lol

>>41219487
>t. troon

>>41218351
99% of female-attracted MtFs are AGPs. AGP hands wrote this post

and according to what I've read, 50% of detroon women admitted to AAP.

How is it possible to transition your whole ass gender and there isn't a sexual component to it? Troons want people to think it's about self-actualizing your inner cross gender essence but there are *always* sexual components, in every troon I've talked to (who is honest). But troons will delude themselves in unbelievable ways and so post shit like this. bffr

>>41218422
the medical community supports this. it's not entirely on detroons when there's an entire medical establishment saying medical transition is the one effective treatment for GD, and even considering trying to reconcile someone with their biological sex is taken as "conversion therapy"

>>41219513
I'm a detroon, thank you very much.

But troons and detroons are the same demographic. I just happened to make my way out of it. I'm really not judging.

I don't dislike individual troons it's the insane TRA ideology that irritates me. And the absurd shit ppl say on trans reddit that sucks young mentally ill people into what in some circles amounts to a cult.

Things need to return to where transsexualism is pathologized and gatekeeping is returned.

You shouldn't be able to, at age 18, walk into planned parenthood and get cross-sex hormones after one appointment. It's absurd.

>>41219487
Are you that one detranner who posts the tiktoks with the creepy eyes? You sound like him. You look and sound like a creepy convert, we've been over this. You had a psychotic break and immediately drastically changed your personality. You have brain damage.

>>41219548
>You shouldn't be able to, at age 18, walk into planned parenthood and get cross-sex hormones after one appointment. It's absurd.
Why? Because you happen to regret it? And mind you, you regret it under very strange circumstances as stated in >>41219605

Hmm seems like a load of shit and seems like you're just a creepy convert trying to get more people to join your church.

Show some actual, real detransition rates that are actually concerningly high. Otherwise you're just making shit up and projecting your experiences onto everyone else. Because every time detransition has been studied it's been very rare.

"Waaah the study is no good, Dutch detransitioners wouldn't respond to their government because.. umm.. because they're scared of the big tranny government!"

Isn't it crazy that you come on this board and post about your weird evangelical cult conversion and every single person tells you your experience doesn't match theirs? Wow, it's almost like your experiences are different than ours!

>>41217952
I'm impressed on why is always FTMs who had easy time to transition, no gatekeeping and all, a single appointment saying "I'm a boy now give me T" and they get T as minors, get surgeries at 18 (they don't even have work to pay for this so it's their rich parents who paid for it)
meanwhile MTFs had to go through entire gender stereotyping themselves and go out like men in dresses to get 0,2 nanogram of estradiol
Nah it's all her fault, I don't feel bad for them even tho it's r/detrans larp, if you have money to all of this, you have money to detroon, and I really hope for op to be forever on the untranny valley she wants all the trannies be

>>41219767
You're basing this off of social media posts anon. Informed consent is equally applied to ftm and mtf. mtf are also the majority of detransitioners. ftm detransitions are just louder and reposted more

>>41219714
detrooners are the juice of skill issue
"bwaaaahhh testostosterone damage me"
>took a poondose for 2 years
they had to be hit with the midshit/lateshit stare to know what is the true testosterone damage

>>41219788
yeah I know this is all larp from r/detrans and 100% of their posts are fake
informed consent only works on US tho
I'm not american and in most healthcare systems, gatekeep is the standard, even on US sometimes

>>41219487
It's funny cuz I agree these spaces are bad and I think it's a mistake to trans your gender for the lulz or to join a club or whatever people are allegedly doing.
But also if this were a serious social harm there'd be hordes of regretful detransitioners. They'd show up in studies and not just another Reddit cesspit. But where are they? Don't they even parade the same couple detransitioners around the whole US trying to get youngshits banned?
There's a clear effort to exaggerate the scale of this problem for political reasons.
People's actual objection to the TRA version of transgenderism is it doesn't require you to make a serious effort to pass and integrate into society. At best it feels delusional and narcissistic and they object to that. At worst they're just mad they have to share space with ugly people.
None of it is justifiable.
And absolutely none of it is motivated by concern for my health and wellbeing. None.
t. the probably intersex almost dwarf freak who posts here sometimes
I should make a trip or something.

>>41219826
thanks for responding to the obvious schizo bait with an actually interesting take

>>41219548
why do you come to hang out with troons? is this one of those things where you miss it and the other people like you but you hate yourself and that part of you so you go engage your troonish contemporaries as an adversary just as a way to hang out with them? thats pretty cute tsundere detransreppersama

>>41219924
It's not an interesting take. It's retarded. You're retarded. He's retarded.

>>41219548
What you're saying is transphobic. I hope some Samaritan shoots you in the neck with a rifle, like what happened to that other fascist.

>>41219131
HRT at 15 tho. Almost no one looks back at their 15 year old self and thinks, “yeah I was in a place to make major life changing decisions”

>>41220032
maybe stop intentionally making 15 yr olds retarded then

>>41219991
>if I call everyone retarded it makes me feel smart
>>41220032
The gatekeeping I will endorse is the only minors who should be starting hormones have a history of gender dysphoria that well predates puberty.
Or at least that's what I'd say if there were actually a bunch of detransitioners. But if you follow the history gatekeeping was pretty much entirely to placate conservatives and was not based in evidence or tuned by measured patient outcomes. Treatment decisions have to trade the risk that a treatment will do harm vs. the risk that withholding treatment will do harm. There are no neutral moves. These decisions should be made based on actual data about those risks, not based on Reddit larping.
Some of the gatekeeping is just silly. Like I'm an adult. Why do I need two therapists to sign off on sterilizing myself? You think the second one's gonna be the first to notice my obvious untreated schizophrenia? Give me a break.

>>41219131
had the money for a surgery at 18 and have the money to detroon
don't care
skill issue

>>41220126
desu the gatekeeping is more based on gender stereotypes tho, why ask to a person if they want to wear a dress or pants
The real question doctors should ask is the discomfort about puberty and not about gendered shit, this is why TERF love to blame on us shit that isn't our fault
Troons want their disphoria to be understood about their sex not the toys they played as kids or how they masturbate themselves

>>41220126
I am smart irregardless if I call retarded things retarded. Walls of text is just wasting people's time, and makes for a sloppy point.

>>41217952
>name convinently blocked out
i found the post and yeah, its a throwaway account
>https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/1nt5nae/i_regret_it_oh_my_god/
totally real person

>>41220168
Yes absolutely!
My mom actually asked herself the toys question about me in front of me, or she'd call out things I was into that she thought were gender non-confirming. But I didn't troon to be allowed to be into dancing. I could already do that. I was literally already doing that. Nobody stopped me!
Though I do look way better in a dress now than I did 5 years ago. But I hardly even wear dresses!
I get that the stereotypes are easy but fixating on them is dumb. They definitely shouldn't be diagnostic standards.

>>41220194
Your inability to piece together a cohesive point sounds like a you problem.

>>41218001
If someone told her no, she would be crying about losing her chance to transition

>>41219714
I'm not an evangelical, lol. I came to Christ well after detrooning, and only because the truth that Jesus is Lord became undeniable.

Here you go buddy

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/10/opinion/trans-health-care-detransitioning.html

From Kinnon MacKinnon, a transgender man and researcher on detransition "Early studies, from the 1970s until the 2000s, suggested detransition among adults was rare; about 1 percent to 6 percent reversed the process or expressed regret. But some recent studies among young people have suggested it could now be higher, 5 percent to 10 percent — an increase that has come amid a sharp rise in the number of young people seeking care at gender clinics."

Wow, getting rid of gatekeeping caused the detroon rate to rise? Who would've thought?

It's rich to call me a "creepy convert" when ur shilling for gender ideology. Have you noticed the average Christian is pretty happy and the average troon is pretty miserable?

Matthew 7:15-20: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

>>41217952
It's always women that are detrannies. Strange that.

>>41219826
See above, rate is at least 5-10%. Most don't discuss it publicly because it's embarrassing and people just want to move on.

I admit, the cohort of detroon grifters who get paraded around by Republicans are cringe. But I don't think minors can consent to sterilization.

The issue is that transgenderism is sort of a representation of the culture wars and the clash between the notion that objective truth exists vs left-wing postmodernist ideas that truth is relative to the individual. I would support the depoliticization of the issue in general, but it strikes a chord with Christian boomers because they all fear their children will troon out.

>>41219980
not totally inaccurate. I spent a long time "in the community". I like troons, we have a similar psychology. Mostly I'm bored

>>41220011
The truth is "transphobic". Everyone from hunter gatherers 20,000 years ago to a random joe from China today understands the simple fact that women can't have dicks. It's only in Western society that we've somehow lost the plot and affirm people's delusions.

Mind you, not all troons are delusional. Just the ones that think their taking estrogen and having a trans identity makes them essentially a wombyn in the way women are.

>>41220268
>Literally quoting the bible
Yikes

>>41220302
>women can't have dicks
Says who? You? I didn't know you were the fucking arbiter of truth!

>>41220251
it's easier to talk with kids but the truth is that facilitates more towards the FTM side than the MTF side
a "masculine" girl isn't treated as bad as a "feminine" boy
If a parent finds out a girl is playing videogames and skateboarding they don't have as close as bad reaction as they would get by the boy playing with dolls for example
it's easier to convince a doctor who uses that as a base growing up as a tomboy, meanwhile on the MTF side you really need to build up a perfect story and place to really get a believable thing
this is why it should used based on body parts and the distress on getting it, the diagnose would be more precise, there wouldn't be as much detroons like this (even tho it's clearly fake)

>>41220343
Yeah, it's not me. The arbiter of truth is God. The Bible clearly equivocates male=man and female=woman.

But I don't even need to appeal to God to make this argument. On some level even troons think a woman is an adult human female. If you truly thought that women can have dicks, beards, etc, why even bother transitioning? You'd already be a woman by your definition. Troons say that a woman is not exclusively adult human females, but their whole transition is ordered around trying to look like an adult human female.

Is it more likely that in the last ~50 years we've suddenly discovered the truth that women can have penises, contrary to what everyone thought for all of human history, or is more likely that women truly can't have penises and this notion is just a product of our current social conditions?

>>41220272
it's easier to have empathy for them
you would feel empathy for someone who's the narrative is that person was brainwashed or the one who's the narrative is that person was a porn addict?
There's more men detroons, but they detroon in secret because it's shameful, it's shameful for being a troon and it's even more shameful for giving up, since people think that "men shouldn't give up" and some shit

>>41220268
NTA but you just cited an opinion piece that hedges the "5 percent to 10 percent" claim.
Even if I take the worst case estimate as fact though, 10% is crazy low if everyone's transitioning because TRAs on egg_irl told them it'd be fun. I'd expect most transitioners to detransition if that were the case.
Still, worth fine-tuning the process if it's hurting more people. Nothing wrong with changing your approach when you learn new information.

>Have you noticed the average Christian is pretty happy
I have an evangelical friend who generally fears both society around him and even the government he voted for. I hope he's some semblance of happy but he's clearly not untroubled.
Meanwhile the HHS had to make up metrics to "prove" that troons are secretly miserable but unable to escape the all-powerful tranny cult. Because they actually want us to be unhappy.
Poisonous fruit indeed.

>>41220374
It's not often you get sanity here. Or maybe this is just a bit you're doing?

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>>41220302
he seems nice and all but hes a prime example why transition should only be available from 10-20
(also a heccin vxlid pregnant dood)

>>41220302
what if instead of adopting a religious ideology posing as 'the truth' you just got some nice hobbies and made friends with people of your own neurotype and made their lives better and more comfy. we build gods kingdom by spending our days the right way desu wa

>>41220374
ok but why cant men wear dresses and not have beards and be called she her etc and have a female name

>>41220389
10% is way too high. And people routinely claim it's 1%. That's the figure TRAs usually cite.

I just have this crazy idea that you should actually have to go through a mental health assessment and get diagnosed with gender dysphoria before being given permanent, life-altering treatment. Usually you actually have to confirm someone has a condition to treat them for it, but not so with gender medicine.

Christianity definitely doesn't make you untroubled. It sets a high standard for human behavior. But it's relieved a lot of my existential dread and brought me more peace than I ever had as a troon.

In general, I think transition is a maladaptive coping mechanism. I don't think it helps anyone (it's sinful, so how can it help?), but we live in a secular society and the data does show it helps some people. You can't deny there are serious drawbacks to transitioning. It's only worth it if your dysphoria is severe enough to outweigh the harms from those drawbacks.

>>41220391
Not a bit.

>>41220443
I adopted a religious ideology because it's true. It's impossible to escape ideology- we all subscribe to one belief system or another, or we're just totally inconsistent.

>>41220479
You *can* do anything. But I do think trying to pass yourself off as a woman when you're a man is sinful. It's deceptive, breaking one of the ten commandments.

Crossdressing is condemned in the Old Testament, but it's sandwiched in with the ritual laws. I don't think crossdressing is intrinsically sinful, but deception is. And in males especially crossdressing often has a paraphilic component, which would make it sinful.

>>41220479
Because, if you do, I'll fuck you up.

>>41220524
>And in males especially crossdressing often has a paraphilic component
stop watching porn anon

>>41220524
what you convieniently forget to mention, is that the 10% figure only came up in low-pop studies, in higher it stabilizes at around 4%, which, after accounting for wokies/external pressure as the dood ximself said is 33% of that percentage, giving something akin to the one percent once again
did christcuckery rape your brain this badly?
you're bobby 2.0 that encourages people to be as miserable as you like a retarded parasite
kay łaj ess

>>41220374
My objection to this is specifically the definitions of male and female.
Yeah yeah large vs small gametes Richard Dawkins pwned u lol. Given my history I'd be shocked if I was ever fertile. Guess I was made for something else. Thankfully there's lots of ways to contribute to society besides making babies.
What I never was was a typical male. Only at my most visibly unhealthy did I kind of consistently pass as male, and even then somehow it was iffy. And then I lost weight and I started getting misgendered like crazy again.
I have since transitioned to female. I am more typically female than typically male. I am measurably physically healthier and mentally healthier in a way that's obvious to everyone in my life who got to witness the change.

But without medical intervention I had a body far outside of binary sexed expectations. But nobody screamed at me that I had to change those things to be a real man. That's a modern phenomenon, and it's called TDS.
In a very real sense the TRAs are right. They're just abusing acceptance for people born different to justify their negative effort "transitions."

>>41220272
nah it's roughly 50% if you look at youtube detrans vids

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>>41220374
>The arbiter of truth is God
>Refers to a man made book of mythology
It appears you have suffered from the worst, most widespread form of childhood grooming and indoctrination: religion

>>41220590
If you actually read the article, MacKinnon states that only 29% of the group cited external factors as the primary reason for their detransition. Everyone else said a change in gender identity was involved.

I'm actually a lot less miserable than I used to be : > )

>>41220594
A more naturally feminine male or even intersex male is still a male. I don't really understand your point.

>>41220653
Yes, I'm sure you've honestly engaged with the historical evidence for Christ's resurrection and the historicity of the Bible. I did not grow up religious. Mfs just don't like the idea that there's a God out there that actually has expectations about how they should live.

>>41220664
>the historical evidence for Christ's resurrection
Considering that the earliest surviving manuscripts describing the ordeal are from the second century, more than a hundred years after the events took place, it's fair to say there isn't any historical evidence for Christ's resurrection, or at least as much evidence as there is for Zarathustra's prophecy or Hercules's trials.

>>41220654
but, if you were actually capable of reading, he later admitted that only 33% (the ones i am talking about) are the detransitioner you are talking about (regretting, underinformed, etc itp)

judging by your anafent stare noah you are not, and it'd be really nice for you to not attempt temu-style faith traumabonding with randos on 4chan

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>>41220664
>Mfs just don't like the idea that there's a God out there that actually has expectations
>The expectation: cut off your foreskin
Some people really do not contemplate the idea that the creator of the universe and the legends of hebrews are two different things

>>41220654
Would you insist someone who has CAIS--that is someone who is genetically male but who cannot become phenotypically male even with medical intervention--would you insist that person still represent themself as a man?
Am I entertaining their delusions or even perpetuating their fraud if I call them women? I don't think so.
My point is the Richard Dawkins definition of sex is useful when talking about making babies but it falls short for literally every other purpose. People just feel better about talking about gametes than they do about saying you're not allowed to be ugly in public.
You're not fooling me.

>>41220654
>still a male
erm ackshually, on what basis, if sex is based on gametes?
If somebody doesn't produce any, and never produced any, based on the nature of the definition, they lack a sex - and with reproductive biology, that would be correct as they aren't a subject of the research in any way, as they don't reproduce. Any attempts of further arguing past that point engage in reverse TWAW type signaling and weird, arbitrary bound-making which you're showing now and what i like to call "spergniggerism"

>>41220685
Paul's letters (where he claims the apostles and 500 people saw the risen Jesus) are dated to 20 years after Christ's death.

>>41220706
These were part of the ritual laws, brother. If you read Paul's letters he spends a long time explaining why circumcision is no longer necessary, lol.

>>41220730
Intersex people are a bit of a gray area. I think for the sake of logical consistency that males with CAIS are technically men, but it's better for everyone that they be considered women. Most intersex people are either male or female. There's a small subset of intersex people where it's hard to tell, in which case God only knows.

But the intersex issue is really not relevant to trans topics. Most trans people aren't intersex, they just use these edge cases where you have (highly unusual) males where it makes sense to consider them women to argue that we should consider some normal males women.

See next reply for an answer to your second point.

>>41220733
A male is someone whose body is organized around the ability to produce the small gamete *regardless of whether they can successfully do that or not*.

Everyone acknowledges infertile women are still women. Because their body is organized around carrying a child, even if they can't do that successfully.

The only people whose sex is unclear are very rare cases like Ovotesticular DSD.

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>>41220786
>Paul's letters
You mean the men who did not personally know jesus or any apostle and whose authorship is still contested to this day?
You believed roman lies too easily. It's a shame you use it to fuel your own unhappiness

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>>41220786
>These were part of the ritual laws
Oh how soothing, the creator of the universe left only a convoluted set of orders, but you can ignore half of them because a man 600 years later said so.
It's not like Yahweh was written as expected from a warrior god in the polytheistic canaanite pantheon where he originally had parents, siblings and a spouse.

>>41220268
>Have you noticed the average Christian is pretty happy and the average troon is pretty miserable?
I wonder if that has something to do with half the population treating us like shit and another quarter treating us kind of like shit. Higher if you include Christians.

>It's rich to call me a "creepy convert"
You had a psychotic break, detrooned, joined an evangelical church, and now zealously post on a tranny forum about your conversion.

That is creepy behavior yes. I'm not crawling around churches trying to tell every feminine guy I see to troon out. That would be creepy and yes tranners who do that are creeps.

>I just have this crazy idea that you should actually have to go through a mental health assessment and get diagnosed with gender dysphoria
Diagnosed by what definition?

You should know cis people don't understand gender dysphoria and gender medicine is already critically understaffed, it's not a realistic way to approach it.

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>>41220786
Don't you think it's odd the creator of the universe would have one set of rules for his chosen people until 33ad, then another entire set for everyone after that? Kind of like these rules are more of a product of the societies that made them instead of universal laws from otherworldly beings.

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>>41220268
>the average Christian is pretty happy
An evangelical being historically ignorant? Who could have predicted this

>>41220816
Paul was a pharisee who was zealously persecuting Christians as blasphemers until he had a vision and became a Christian himself. This is like Osama Bin Laden one day up and becoming an American patriot. He spent his whole life preaching, never married, and was tortured and executed for his beliefs (by Romans, actually!). He wasn't a liar.

Also, only some of the Pauline epistles are disputed. 6-7 of them are confirmed to be written by Paul by even secular scholars (including the one where he claims that 500 saw the risen Jesus).

>>41220843
>>41220864
The ritual laws were meant to distinguish the Jewish people from the others in the region of modern day Palestine, until the Messiah came. The law was only followed by Jews, but that same Holy Book said someone would come and extend worship of Yahweh to the Gentiles.

>you can ignore half of them because a man 600 years later said so.

Yes. Because that man was/is God.

And it doesn't matter if God appropriated the name of some Canaanite storm god. The story of the ark has antecedents in older mythologies. If it actually happened (mind you, I don't think Genesis is literal, the flood was probably localized to Mesopotamia) it makes sense there would be antecedents to the Hebrew Scriptures in older mythologies.

>>41220845
>>41220881
I'm sorry that society isn't ready to sacrifice the meanings of essential categories like man/woman to appease 1% of the population.

Again, I'm not an evangelical... lmao. I don't like especially American Protestant Christianity.

Diagnosed by the definition in the DSM-5, that everyone uses. How would you define gender dysphoria? And even then, the DSM-5 definition of GD is too broad. I have issues with other parts of psychiatry btw, not limited to gender medicine.

>>41220374
>On some level even troons think a woman is an adult human female
You are so fucking weird. Why do you think you can mind read every trans person on the planet? Why do you use a bunch of pejorative for trans people while claiming to be a loving Christian convert? I have to agree with the poster above, you give off massive culty convert vibes.

>>41220912
If you didn't think a woman was an adult human female, why would you need to transition to look like an adult human female? Wouldn't you already be a woman by your definition?

This isn't speculation, it's just how GD works. Gender dysphoria is rooted in not being the other sex. Y'all sit on this board making fun of theyfabs and gaydens for not putting enough effort in to look like the other sex and saying they're not actually gender dysphoric enough. When they're position is actually more consistent- if my identity defines my gender, why the need to change the body?

>>41220786
>A male is someone whose body is organized around the ability to produce the small gamete *regardless of whether they can successfully do that or not*.
based on..? Come on, i need some specifics to work with, otherwise we're going back on the topic of spergniggerisms

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>>41220909
>until he had a vision
Oh yes, the most reliable source of information for christians. The folly of madmen.
Rome coopted his letters because they were extremely useful for making the gullible give their money away to pay for salvation, a practice that you hold true every month when you pay your tithes.

>afab
>falling for the latest fad

>>41220929
>This isn't speculation, it's just how GD works. Gender dysphoria is rooted in not being the other sex. Y'all sit on this board making fun of theyfabs and gaydens for not putting enough effort in to look like the other sex and saying they're not actually gender dysphoric enough. When they're position is actually more consistent- if my identity defines my gender, why the need to change the body?
are you unable to understand any view past "adult hymen femyl" and "femyl feeling"? Seems like it

>>41220909
>He spent his whole life
You mean his final years after a lifetime of rape, murder and genocide. Guilt is a potent seductress.
Your faith is based on the opinions of s literal mass murderer who had "a change of heart", although you would never give the same benefit of doubt to a former serial killer turned christian, otherwise you might worship Dahmer instead

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>>41220909
>He wasn't a liar.
Your whole mythology is built on lies, actually.
Rome realized its usefulness, and so did hebrews.

>>41220909
>I'm sorry that society isn't ready to sacrifice the meanings of essential categories like man/woman to appease 1% of the population.
You don't have to do that to be kind to trans people. All you have to do is acknowledge that trans people are different than people of their birth sex in pretty fundamental ways, respect our differences, not constantly try to take away our ability to transition, and not treat us like freak outcasts.

>>41220929
>If you didn't think a woman was an adult human female
I think females are the basis of femininity that give rise to the woman gender yes. I don't personally partake in bullying nb's and I think they have their own differences that are worthy of respect.

>>41219487
ftms detrans for terf pussy only tbhon

>>41220909
>500 saw the risen Jesus)
>Only person who writes about it is a roman general 30 years later
You're missing the gospel that mentions actually 300 people were risen from the dead alongside jesus.
It's amazing how you put the gospels beneath paul in that regard. Truly your faith was carefully designed by rome.

>>41220909
>The ritual laws were meant to distinguish the Jewish people from the others in the region of modern day Palestine
It's amazing how the creator of the whole universe would need that distinction to be made eternal in his only surviving words, but only to be dismissed by the later half of it
Sounds like a person with contradicting beliefs coping

>>41220949
>>41220961
He converted in his late 20s/early 30s, and died in his late 50s/60s.

Evidence that Paul was doing rape, murder, and genocide, lol? I have never heard this. He was a Pharisee. He was executing people but under the jurisdiction of the religious authorities of the time.

Y'all are either lying or terribly misinformed, wow.

>>41220964
I agree with all of this.

>>41220971
These two facts complement each other. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I cite Paul's references to the 500 as evidence that Jesus rose from the dead. You're watching too many conspiracy theory videos about Christianity, bro. You realize Christianity was viciously persecuted for 300 years before becoming the main religion in the Roman Empire? If it was so useful, why not take it on as the official state religion hundreds of years earlier? Read an actual history book bro.

>>41220987
The clay complaining about the methods of the potter. Hilarious.

Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

>>41220909
>but that same Holy Book said someone would come and extend worship of Yahweh to the Gentiles.
Actually it said the messiah would bring about the end of the world, which is precisely why jew people themselves didn't believe jesus was the messiah. He didn't fulfill Isaiah's promises of Armageddon. In fact jesus failed his own prophecies, as he promised the world was coming to an end during his lifetime.
It's the reason why legend needed centuries to take off, and jesus died rejected by the crowds that preferred a thief.

>>41220786
The Bible was written quite a few years before the discovery of DNA. It would not have been possible when it was written to apply the definitions of sex you advocate.
"Testicular feminization syndrome" was first reported as a series of cases in the 1950s. It was definitively linked to the region on the X chromosome that codes for the androgen receptor a few years after I was born. I could not have been definitively diagnosed with this when I was born because a definitive test did not exist. The two common tests today are still both wildly unreliable, but researchers are looking into better ways to confirm it.
There are a surprising number of case reports of OT-DSD being first diagnosed in adults. People act like there's a published case report for every instance but that's absurd on its face.

The reality is we don't actually know how common these conditions are.

What's absurd is looking at this wealth of new knowledge available today not as a means to improve healthcare for intersex people but rather as a means to bin people as male or female based on a pretend rational basis even when it leads to obviously absurd conclusions. Like legally requiring someone with CAIS to use men's locker rooms.

What I'd ask you to consider is at least a subset of trans people--not the memers but the people with lifelong severe dysphoria--are also living with a medical condition. And one of the great advancements of the last 100-ish years is we can actually do something about it. It's not perfect and we certainly can't change your reproductive sex. But I think we should reasonably accommodate those people instead of moralizing their suffering.

But mostly I care about the intersex thing because transphobes have gone scorched earth on intersex rights just to pwn the trannies. That's not nice.

>>41220909
>Because that man was/is God
Gods don't die, silly. Jesus isn't god, and his doctrine clashes with the old testament so much that jews rejected him, and so did the people of jerusalem.
Christians must jump through continues hoops to dismiss half of the bible while still clinging to it

>>41220909
>it doesn't matter if God appropriated the name of some Canaanite storm god
It matters very much. It shows you that the creator of the universe is not at all the same polytheistic made up deity that hebrews came to worship.
It's the difference between reality and fiction.

Isn't it ironic how the dude arguing for a scientific/objective view of gender and sex throws all objectiveness away when it comes to believing in legends and myths?
Almost like facts don't really matter to him

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>>41220909
>The story of the ark has antecedents in older mythologies
You mean humans have made stories about floods and other natural disasters?

>>41220909
>don't think Genesis is literal
Yeah the bible is fictional and deceitful, a fact that you can recognize when it suits you.
The resurrection, miracles and supernatural powers of men are also made up. You will find as you dismiss half of it, that dismissing the other half is just as easy.

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>>41220909
>society isn't ready to sacrifice the meanings of essential categories
Funny how you were more than willing to sacrifice the meaning of essential categories (truth vs falsehood) when it came to worshipping the cult you were born into.
Almost like your beliefs are more important to you than any objective reality

>>41220864
Kidnapping virgin girls is wrong?

>>41221007
>I agree with all of this.
It really doesn't seem like it from the way you talk. But I could just be prickly because of how weaponized detransition has been.

You definitely at least want to take away the ability for minors to transition which I think is really messed up. Even a 10% detransition rate means you are possibly ruining the lives of 90% because you want to go scorched earth on the process instead of refining our understanding and trying to make things better for people. It tells me you think transitioning is a destructive, dangerous, degenerate thing that minors have to be protected from. All I see is my friends who got on HRT at 16 and are happy about it when you say stuff like that.

>>41220909
>not an evangelical
>Preaching the bible in the LGBT board
You're not a self admitted evangelical, but few are. Your actions speak for themselves.

>>41221013
This doesn't contradict the Bible. Of course our understandings of sex have changed with the advent of modern science. A lot of our beliefs have changed with the advent of modern science.

I don't support making males with CAIS use men's spaces lmao. They're assigned female at birth for a reason. I don't even support bathroom bans because they're impractical and lead to boomers transvestigating GNC women.

I agree a lot of TERFs/GCs throw intersex people under the bus. I don't support that, nor do I support TERFs/GCs in general because they're often as dogmatic and annoying as TRAs.

>>41221007
The earliest surviving manuscript fragment containing parts of a Pauline letter is Rylands Library Papyrus P52, which dates from the early to mid-2nd century and contains a portion of the Gospel of John. However, Papyrus 46 (P46) is the earliest substantial collection of Pauline letters, dating to approximately AD 200.
So you're again relying on legend build centuries after the events they took place

>>41221011
If you actually read the Bible, he makes a lot of double prophecies. He predicts the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the end of the world. Have you read Isaiah? It's totally plausible that Christ would come, rise, and hold off the end of the world for awhile. Also, God is outside of time. When Jesus says he's coming back soon that could mean in ten years or in ten thousand.

>>41221027
You don't understand the incarnation. At the moment of his conception, the Second Person of the Trinity took on a human nature, which united with his divine nature in the God-man Jesus Christ. When Jesus died, his human nature died, while his divine nature remained intact. They were re-united when he rose from the dead.

>>41221007
>Evidence that Paul was doing rape, murder, and genocide
Wait, is he no longer a roman general charged with persecution of christians now that it doesn't suit you?
Your faith is built upon the letters of a murderer, and not even the originals, but highly edited renditions from centuries later.

>>41221035
Same name = referring to the same entity. Great reasoning there. Every John must be the same person I guess.

>>41221056
You could view it that way? But it is specific to the story of a worldwide flood iirc.

>>41221075
Something can be true and not literal, especially when the text is like, 4,000 years old.

>>41221132
>double prophecies.
Is this how you cope with his outright failed prophecies? By assigning duplicitous intentions? Not very godly. Truth is very evident, but those who delve into lies must resort to these ambiguities.
Jesus literally said that the generation alive would witness the son of man and the destruction of the world,he was an apocalyptic rabi after all.
That's precisely why Jews rejected his message. He didn't fulfill Isaiah's. He couldn't fulfill his own promises, having died and not resurrecting.

>>41221089
I was not born a Christian, lol. And Jesus is the Truth, so I'm actually embracing the objective truth buddy.

>>41221093
Yeah, minors can't consent to sterilizing themselves. Sorry. Adults can do it with gatekeeping.

And yes, I do think transition is largely destructive and we should protect minors from it.

>>41221127
The earliest manuscripts of people like Aristotle and Archimedes are from the 9th-10th centuries AD, but we acknowledge they were written much earlier. This isn't a good argument.

>>41221139
He literally wasn't a Roman general, he was a Jewish religious leader. And in the ancient world (and now) we don't consider executing someone after a legal conviction to be murder.

>>41221168
Double prophecy =/= duplicitous intentions.

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>>41221161
>referring to the same entity.
A lie, unfortunately. The creator of the universe is not at all the same entity as Yahweh.
The creator of the universe doesn't tell you how to sell slaves at the fair. That's Yahweh

>>41221161
>the story of a worldwide flood
Which never happened, specially not 6k years ago, showing once again the lies inherent to the bible

>>41221175
>Double prophecy =/= duplicitous intentions.
A cope,or an outright lie.
Jesus promised something would happen in the lifetime of his audience, and it didn't. He failed not only the jewish prophecies, but himself.
That's why he died in relative obscurity and his worship took centuries to take off, the time needed to invent the myth. He died like a nobody.

>>41221193
As stated, I believe it was a localized Mesopotamian flood, which was why there were legends present in Mesopotamia about it before the Hebrew Scriptures.

>>41221182
God permitted slavery in the same way he permitted divorce until Jesus came. He regulated it. Almost every large-scale ancient civilization had slavery. Get off your high horse buddy.

>>41221207
Well, the end of times will happen in Jesus's lifetime, because he lives. Have you read the New Testament?

>>41221122
It's not just TERFs. It's mainstream politics. It is literally law in I think multiple states now that women with CAIS are men who must be excluded from women's spaces. Though in practice of course good luck. But this is what I mean by overapplying the Dawkins definition of sex.
I do think it's meaningful that you and the literal people who wrote the texts that became the Bible have a substantially different understanding of sex under which you apply God's law. And I think yours is tortured.

To that point CAIS is assigned female at birth because CAIS is phenotypically female. Unless the child presents with an inguinal hernia CAIS is
unlikely to be suspected until well into puberty, and it's the lack of menstruation that finally tips them off.
We do not routinely karyotype infants. We do not routinely do gonadal imaging or take biopsies to look for evidence of OT-DSD or dysgenesis. Even with modern medicine sex is still assigned by genital inspection.

And also to that point especially back when I was born doctors regularly played God with intersex babies and I'm pretty sure I have the scars to prove it. But those decisions too were not based in biology but medical convenience and their judgement as to whether adult me would be happy with the size of my penis or if I'd be better off if they cut it off.
I wish I were joking.

>>41221175
Even his own propagandistic letter reveals his years actively persecuting christians. He murdered people by his own account, the tip of the iceberg

>>41221175
>And yes, I do think transition is largely destructive and we should protect minors from it.
Okay, so you don't respect trans people, you treat us like freak outcasts (you are destructive), and you want to take away our ability to transition. So you don't agree with anything I said actually. Stop being two-faced.

>>41221237
Intersex issues need to be dealt with separately from trans issues and with care.

It's undeniable that a male with CAIS would have been universally viewed as a woman before modern medicine. Christians do have to grapple with this.

It would help if TRAs stopped appropriating intersex issues to argue normal males can become women, though.

>>41221241
That was lawful at the time, lol. He repents of it but acknowledges from his framework they were blasphemers, which under the law meant death. Not murder by our definition now or their definition then. Ppl really out here defaming Paul.

>>41221291
I'm not sure what I've said that makes trans people out to be "freak outcasts". We're all sinners. I also think people should be allowed to transition, they just need to wait until they're an adult. Idk what you're getting at. I support legal sex changes, don't want bathroom bans, support discrimination protection for trans ppl in housing and employment? What else do you want? Ah yeah, you have to assent to sterilizing kids. Sorry buddy, no. It's fucked up and everybody except people with insane levels of motivated reasoning can see that

>>41217952
Sad if this happens to someone sure but anyone can write anything on Reddit.
Just go read this "Am I The Asshole" and "Am I Overreacting" type subs for half an hour and that will help remind you that 90% of stories on Reddit are exactly that: stories. Made up.
Don't get upset because someone wrote some tearjerker LARP online.
I'm sure stuff like this happens, but you have to resist becoming Internet-brained.
React to your surroundings and the things happening in your community. Do not react to LARPs and fictions written on the stupid faggot ass Interneta>>41217952
Sad if this happens to someone sure but anyone can write anything on Reddit.
Just go read this "Am I The Asshole" and "Am I Overreacting" type subs for half an hour and that will help remind you that 90% of stories on Reddit are exactly that: stories. Made up.
Don't get upset because someone wrote some tearjerker LARP online.
I'm sure stuff like this happens, but you have to resist becoming Internet-brained.
React to your surroundings and the things happening in your community. Do not react to LARPs and fictions written on the stupid faggot ass Internet

>>41221336
wtf happened to my fucking post

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>>41221175
>The earliest manuscripts of people like Aristotle and Archimedes are from the 9th-10th centuries AD
Another lie. Typical. The earliest surviving manuscript fragment of Aristotle is the Oxyrhynchus Papyrus of Aristotle's Rhetoric, dating to the first century BCE.
But I want you to think it through: if one of these aristotelian manuscripts claimed he had superpowers and came back from the dead, would you believe in them? Hardly.
Without the threats of eternal damnation, your faith dies like withered flowers.

>>41217952
Most of them are women because choosing to be on testosterone is choosing a constant, low level of suffering that gradually destroys your mind and body. That's why I think trans men are men but trans women aren't women. You actively have to torture yourself to be a trans man whereas being a trans women isn't an active choice but one you have to do to mitigate your suffering. It's either that or cope by becoming a rapist monster.

>>41221175
>was not born a Christian
>Jesus is truth
You're not an honest christian either. You mythology is bronze aged. There's nothing truthful about that dead kike

>>41221235
>localized Mesopotamian flood
So not at all what's described in the bible, rendering it a fictional work at best, and a propagandistic lie at worse.

>>41221327
>I'm not sure what I've said that makes trans people out to be "freak outcasts"
You're telling us we're destructive and wrong for trying to live comfortable lives and treat dysphoria.

>It's fucked up and everybody except people with insane levels of motivated reasoning can see that
I think you'd be insane if you blocked my friends from transitioning at 16. You would've been doing irreparable harm to them.

I understand being protective of minors but supporting youth transition ban betrays that you think being trans is inherently wrong, disgusting, and something people have to be protected from.

>>41221299
>A lawful murderer erected his faith
Not that different from Mohammed after all

>>41221351
These are just fragments dude. I mean a complete manuscript or mostly complete manuscript. Bffr

I acknowledge a leap of faith is required, at some point. But my point is the Gospels / the New Testament in general we have manuscripts far closer to the time of Jesus than we do for equivalent manuscripts we accept referring to events ~600 years in the past.

Bffr dude, Christianity rests on one falsifiable claim. If one person produced the body of Jesus, the whole religion would have been over. They didn't. If a guy was running around preaching in Judea about this guy who did thousands of miracles, and it was all BS, wouldn't people have known that and it wouldn't have spread?

>>41221372
I will pray for you

>>41221421
Truth hurts.

>>41221327
>just need to wait until they're an adult.
That's too late for many mtf, you're ruining their chances forever and you know that.
Never expect a christian to argue in good faith. They'll say they love you as they strike. Literally a two faced religion.

>>41221431
>Truth hurts
lol
>If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

You're not a rabid transphobe but you definitely are not a welcoming or accepting person towards trans people in the slightest.

>>41221431
>These are just fragments dude
Which is literally everything we have from the bible: fragments from different centuries.
So funny to see you devaluing papyrus fragments from other philosophies when these fragments are literally everything you have to sustain any historical credibility to your faith

>>41221299
>It would help if TRAs stopped appropriating intersex issues to argue normal males can become women, though.

See that's the thing. When I out myself as trans in person religious conservatives reliably conclude I'm intersex. To them it seems obvious. But it's been an uphill battle to get someone to even work on a diagnosis, and the reality is I could in fact be intersex and yet be unable to prove it. And then what happens to me?

The reason they're throwing intersex people under the bus is because you can't really throw trans people under it without hurting at least some intersex people in the process. Whatever you do to them you inevitably do to me.

Though at the US federal level they're not even making a passing effort to spare intersex people, because the other side of the issue is they don't care how many intersex people they hurt as long as it lets them hurt every trans person. Because they are evil.

>>41221431
>If one person produced the body of Jesus, the whole religion would have been over. They didn't. If a guy was running around preaching in Judea about this guy who did thousands of miracles, and it was all BS, wouldn't people have known that and it wouldn't have spread?
In the first century AD there were hundreds if not thousands of similar miracle worker cults in the Empire. By the time Romans started having actual serious discussions due to the spread of the religion, it'd already been well over a century.

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>>41221431
>acknowledge a leap of faith is required
It's not a leap, anon. It's an interestelar travel.
You're jumping through an abyss of ignorance and bigotry, reaching the conclusion that from everything that humans ever wrote, it's this particular set of middle eastern jews living under Roman rule, that held the god given truth.
And it conveniently tells you to obey your masters and pay tithes lmao

>>41217952
18 year olds literally sign up to go be war heroes and get turned into bloated corpses every day of the year. Is someone using their free will to make a bad choice of far less magnitude worth stopping society over?

>>41221431
>we have manuscripts far closer to the time of Jesus than we do for equivalent manuscripts we accept referring to events ~600 years in the past.
And these manuscripts are still fictional every time they depict miracles, hence why the very short lived 30 year period of magic work in the first century, follow by 2 thousand years of hard naturalistic observation pointing to the opposite direction.

>>41221431
>If a guy was running around preaching in Judea about this guy who did thousands of miracles, and it was all BS, wouldn't people have known that
And they did.
And it's exactly because of that that Jesus died rejected by the masses he preached to. People in his time didn't buy his story. Jews rejected him. Romans did too. It took literally centuries for the cult of worship to build momentum

Lmao TERFs are still a thing? I thought you were all Trumptards now, why are you not in the kitchen like your husband wants it. Isn't that the end goal of TERFs? The whole alliance with the alt right and the incels? Damn guess we're still doing Blanchardism too too

>>41221431
>If a guy was running around preaching in Judea about this guy who did thousands of miracles, and it was all BS,
Even today people still believe in bs that happens in church, like fake miracles workers "healing" the sick and exorcizing demons every weekend on evangelical temples.
Imagine 2k years ago. You underestimate how gullible people are. Just look at you, believing in Jewish fairy simply because they were written down

>>41221440
God is the truth and God is also love. God is identical to his attributes. To tell someone the truth is to express love for them. I don't see what's two faced about it? I also think it's sinful to get wasted and do hookups or gamble all the time or worship demons, and telling someone any of those things are bad would be an act of love.

>>41221451
This is true by this community's definitions of "welcoming" or "accepting".

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>>41217952
>female detrooners are adult children, male detrooners (if pretty) are sigma femboys
Why is it ONLY women who make impulsive, bad decisions and lack responsibility?

There are lots of post transition, even post SRS femboys who say they were bullied into transition by partners or the lgbt community into identifying as women. They might be mad about gaslighting to say they’re women and wholesale rejection the moment they decided to identify as male again but you don’t see them playing victim or even demanding medicine/surgery be banned. If anything you just roll with it since at least this way femboy mode is permanently secured and you can just lie and tell people you’re an ftm femboy to avoid drama
> woke era
Was a disaster since it involved dehumanization and hatred of males and also needlessly put females on a pedestal. You tried to make people hate and doubt themselves for being male.
You also raised all the women to be infantilized and have a victim mentality.

Congratulations, you proved most people with your socialization are not deserving of body autonomy. What’s the point of abortion on demand or DEI quotas when you change your mind or fall apart.
Thank god
I’m sick of quotas and toxic feminism and male hatred (which hijacked the lgbt community).

>>41221455
The Codex Sinaiticus contains the whole New Testament and parts of the Old Testament, and is dated to the 4th century AD.

>>41221489
Yeah, and none of those miracle worker cults developed into a major religion...

>>41221490
Tithing is not required in the New Covenant. I'm not a Mormon lul

>>41221533
Being so desperate to prove Christianity as false betrays your own fear of it being true. I pray for you to find love and security in the light of the lord.

>>41221581
There's nothing true or loving in your jewish mythology, anon. Only lies and deceit.
What you describe as god sounds more like an abusive patriarchal warlord. It's ancient lies repeated over
The power of childhood indoctrination is strong, and it lasts for a lifetime. You are just one example of it.
That's why religions must get them while they're young.

>>41221515
>>41221550
Miracles still happen, y'all just deny them. See Marian apparitions, the Miracle of the Sun in 1917, Eucharistic miracles, the miracles the apostles performed, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of visions people have had. Exorcisms are thornier but I think the Miracle of the Sun and Eucharistic miracles are compelling.

>>41221533
He was executed by the Romans at the hands of Jewish religious leaders for blasphemy, not because nobody believed him. The people largely believed him (hence the large crowds), but he threatened the power of the religious authorities and the Romans.

>>41221609
Trvke

>>41217986
Girl power, feminism, DEI, male hatred and seeing all men as stupid, cowardly, ugly or some combination was the zeitgeist

“Believe women” lead to the stupidest women self imolating

>>41221612
The clay complains about the methods of the potter, lol. I was an atheist from 10 years old, so no I wasn't indoctrinated.

>>41221581
>this community's definitions of "welcoming" or "accepting".
Which is "people who do not try to proselytize their bigoted mythology as some universal rule like a zealot"
Which is exactly what you're doing now.
No hate like christian love

>>41220374
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>41221609
Being desperate to preach in the tranny board betrays how you use religion to fuel your repression.
We will make a spell to wake you up from the Jewish fairy tales

>>41221628
Yes, this is what happens when society redefines sincere religious belief as "bigotry"

>>41221630
True

>>41221640
Go ahead! I'm protected by Christ. Actually don't, that shit is bad

>>41221613
>Miracles still happen
>Just in a completely unverifiable way
I wish you would visit your local pediatric oncology ward and show these selective miracles to all the little children dying of cancer. Maybe they didn't pray hard enough

>>41221613
And you're asking how people 2k years ago couldn't see through the bullshit of fake miracles, when even with all the technology available, you are still falling for it.
People then were gullible as you are now

>>41221627
>An atheist child
>Became a hardcore jesus fan worshipping mythology
careful anon, lying is a sin. I believe Christianity doesn't have an exception for lying to get new converts like islam

>>41221658
Luke 4:23-27 "Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’”

“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”"

God doesn't heal everyone in this lifetime.

>>41221688
Not lying brother

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>>41221651
>sincere religious belief
Like the sincere belief that whoever disagrees with you will suffer forever
It's not a redefining, your favourite mythology is rotted from the core.

>>41217952
as a gay male now transitioned hsts, i just dont have much sympathy. my default mode is literally their transitioned mode; i have to take hrt to sustain what feels comfortable to me. i had literally all the negative effects about T that they complain ruined them NATURALLY and the masses of society telling me im going to hell for being anything other than this damn birth defected default. so literally fuck off idgaf. you fucked up yourself, but thats better than being fucked up by god and everyone acting like its normal

>>41221613
>See Marian apparitions,
>Literally children lying
And then you wonder how people 2 thousand years ago believed in a lie, when you're such a fine example.
Desperate people will choose to believe in anything that soothes their pain, like you believing the creator of the universe doesn't want you to wear a dress.

>>41221581
My definition of accepting is not thinking that transitioning is a destructive act and I'm actually delusional for thinking it's good for me, yes.

>>41221013
why didn't jesus tell us about DNA?
you'd think he could have cleared more things up

>>41221596
>post SRS femboys who say they were bullied into transition by partners or the lgbt community into identifying as women
Transgenderism needs to be an actual religion and the First Commandment shall be:

Thou shalt not tell people that they are trans

Seriously the weird grooming has gotta stop.

>>41221730
yeah like i'm so sorry you have to go through LESS dysphoria than me to detransition. it's disgusting to say that that outweighs helping the rest of us transition.

>>41221730
All HSTS are hrt femboys in denial
You’ve been brainwashed by male hatred

>>41221736
Try explaining DNA to an 8th century Israelite, lol. God would have needed to produce a science textbook and some microscopes. (Oh wait, he did two or three thousand years later...)

>>41221742
>All HSTS are hrt femboys
literally whats the difference? also i already got srs so fuck off chaser

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>>41221700
You misspelled "god doesn't heal anyone"
My favorite passages of christ is when he is challenged to perform miracles, and he copes hard with his inability to perform.
Yet in a different book, he's eager to show off his power to crowds of 5k people or more.
It's what happens when your legend is written down by different authors 3 hundred years later

>>41221763
why didn't he explain bacteria?
why didn't he explain germ theory of disease?
he could have saved the lives of billions of people

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>>41221640
it’s too late I’ve created a Christian Magik force field and an astral projecting to your location as we speak

>>41221770
no one on this website is actually religious you retarded faggot

>>41221700
It feels as though god's miracles are very selective, and when it comes to serious life threatening diseases, it's as though praying does nothing and the fate of people with cancer will be the same, christian or not.
I wonder why that is, that when it really comes to measurement, faith doesn't matter or have any impact.

>>41221779
People dying is a good thing, because in death, they go to heaven. Mortal life means little, and in an ideal world, the lifespan of humans would be much shorter.

>>41221779
>>41221788
He has saved billions of people by giving them eternal life... death isn't the end guys. People are so stuck in this world and aren't thinking about the next.

from the book Elder Paisios of Mount Athos

From the age of eleven [says Elder Paisios], I would read the lives of the Saints, I would fast and keep vigil. My older brother would take the books and hide them, but that didn’t stop me. I would just go into the forest and keep reading there.

Later, when I was fifteen, a friend of my brother named Costas told my brother, “I’ll make him willingly give up all this nonesense.” He came and explained to me Darwin’s theory of evolution. I was shaken by this, and I said, “I’ll go and pray, and, if Christ is God, He’ll appear to me so that I’ll believe. I’ll see a shadow, hear a voice—He will show me a sign.” That’s all I could come up with at the time.

So, I went and began to pray and make prostrations for hours; but nothing happened. Eventually I stopped in a state of exhaustion. Then something Costas had said came to mind: “I accept that Christ is an important man,” he had told me, “righteous and virtuous, Who was hated out of envy for His virtue and condemned by His countrymen.” I thought to myself, “since that’s how Christ was, even if He was only a man, He deserves my love, obedience, and self-sacrifice. I don’t want paradise; I don’t want anything. It is worth making every sacrifice for the sake of His holiness and kindness.”

God was waiting to see how I would deal with this temptation. After this, Christ Himself appeared to me in a great light. He was visible from the waist up. He looked at me with tremendous love and said, “I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth in Me, even if he dies, he shall live” (Jn. 11:25). He was holding the Gospel in His left hand, open to the page where the same words were written.

>>41221763
Didn't he cure diseases?
So instead of telling men that they should study diseases, chemistry and biology to reach a cure for known ailments (something that actually works and happened in real life)
He told people to pray and have faith (something that doesn't work in real life as diseases spare no one regardless of faith)
Almost like he wasn't really speaking of truth, making valid predictions for the future, or teaching men how to seek out a cure
Sounds like what he really was doing is deluding people into worshipping his own ego.

>>41221806
oh
then why don't we just kill all the babies?

>>41221815
Ok Gemini calm down

>>41221815
But he condemned billions more by giving them eternal torture.
In fact much more than the number of people he has "saved"

>>41221806
>Death is good in christ, life is evil
Literally a death cult.

>>41221828
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

>>41221827
Men can heal the body, but only Christ can heal the soul and grant you eternal life.

>>41221841
We don't know who does or doesn't go to Hell. That's up to God. We can't say billions have been condemned. And he only condemns those that willfully reject God

>>41217952
>R/detrans post
Probably fake, most of them are. You can tell bc it's obvious none of them have actually tried to get surgery or hrt

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The average liberal
> attends the same number of masses as a 4chud Christian
> does more community work than the average 4chud Christian
> is more sympathetic to the poor and downtrodden than the average 4chud Christian

I wonder which one’s actions are closer to Christ?

>>41221736
>>41221763
You could make the case that sex discrimination is not what we were meant to get out of these discoveries. That even though there are natural differences between the sexes, going by DNA or theoretical gametes passes those natural differences up for basically an implementation detail. It's missing the point like it's their job.
Peering into God's engineering and pretending we understand it, then being weird gender Nazis about our wrong understanding of what we saw.

>>41221815
I think that this mythology did such a good job at making you renounce your life in favour of a promised post mortem reward, it made you forget that this is the only life you have, and so you waste it.

>>41221860
>Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
god also advocates for killing sometimes though, even genocide

>>41221860
But Christ cured people's bodies, though. His usage of miracles was really selective and inconsistent.
Likely the result from a legend co-authored by different men in different ages

>>41221860
>We don't know who does or doesn't go to Hell. That's up to God. We can't say billions have been condemned. And he only condemns those that willfully reject God
few find the narrow gate of salvation
that means most people go to hell

>>41221860
>Thou shalt not kill
God literally told you to smash babies on the rocks, though. The enemies' babies

>>41221738
I don’t really regret the medical things much. I would have been ruined by twink death/losing baby features so if chunking off some parts secures it for a ridiculously long time then acceptable losses.
What I don’t like is being pressured into thinking that if you don’t want features to harden you’re a woman, gaslighting with misgendering (being given female pronouns without wanting it) or their gaslighting into having dysphoria where anything that doesn’t match exactly like women triggers intense dysmorphia to the point I almost got VFS despite loving my voice now or telling you you’ll kill yourself unless you fully transition.

The worst part is how it turned to bulling after I realized I was still a femboy and thought of myself as male and then outright got banned for being “hateful”.

It probably really is due to the anti male hate that was so common in 2010-2020 and thank god everyone pushing it is on the run.

>>41221860
>We can't say billions have been condemned
Jesus himself said it, though. The path is narrow and it's by design.
It's to make people like you fear. And fear is the greatest control tool.
2k years later, and these jews are still controlling you, making you repress your sexuality. The weren't amateurs of propaganda, they were masters.

>>41221869
Sex isn't really that difficult to understand. Men and women are different, and 99% of people are clearly men or women. Race doesn't exist biologically -- there's more genetic variation within racial groups than between them -- but sex does exist biologically.

>>41221875
I've felt better in this life since turning to Christ, so your point is moot. I really don't feel like I'm wasting anything.

>>41217986
women are pets not people
shut up
you don't build shit or run shit, you yap your mouth entirely at male sufferance

>>41221885
>>41221901
God has authority to kill, humans do not. God is infinite- he can compensate for every perceived injustice in this world out of his infinite store.

>>41221895
That's up to interpretation. My point stands

>>41221889
The miracles were meant to validate that Jesus was telling the truth. The resurrection was the ultimate proof. No such proofs are strictly necessary today (as demonstrated by the fact that many billions believe without seeing miracles).

>>41221919
Fear of God is healthy. Imagine being unironically anti-semitic lmaooo.

>>41221920
>Race doesn't exist biologically -- there's more genetic variation within racial groups than between them
that's fucking retarded
we can see race, it's obviously there

>>41221920
You felt so much better you feel the need to be a proselyte in the tranny board, disobeying your own god's commandments and casting your pearls to the pigs, being a zealot towards people who want nothing to do with your mythology.
You're not that fine, dear. You're reminding yourself the reasons why you repressed

>>41221928
>God has authority to kill, humans do not.
god tells humans to carry out the death penalty for many crimes

>>41221920
>really don't feel like I'm wasting anything
You're wasting your one free trial of existence in this universe by limiting your sexuality in accordance to jewish fairy tales.
Of course you will say, as any other religiously indoctrinated preacher, that you're fine with it.
So fine that you keep coming back to the tranny board. You are very transparent, anon. Anyone can see

>>41221928
God literally instructed you to kill on many occasions, though.
Jesus himself said, I brought a sword, not peace.

>>41221945
Nah, I'm just bored and there's a non-zero possibility someone is positively affected by what I'm posting here.

>>41221960
That commandment makes explicit exemptions for executions within a legal system. I don't support the death penalty in the modern era though.
>>41221975
Have you heard of a metaphor? His point is that Jesus would divide people, which he has. And that refers to his Second Coming more than his first coming I think.

>>41221966
There's more to life than your sexuality, lol. I promise you I've only benefited by becoming a Christian. And religion isn't a self-help club anyways.

>>41221815
>but nothing happened
>Christian rationalize this as a sign from god
Holy cope

>>41221993
Did you read the whole passage? Something literally did happen, lol.

>>41221928
>All the compensation you rightfully deserve
>After you die
And you still wonder how people back then were gullible enough to fall for this, when you fell for it even with centuries worth of evidence challenging mythology

>>41221999
Not before he was "convinced" by gods absence that it was being "tested" and should keep worshipping undoubtedly even in the complete absence of evidence.
Yes, something happened. The origin of every religion. Human folly happened.

>>41221928
>The miracles were meant to validate that Jesus was telling the truth
A privilege that the creator of the universe afforded humanity for 3 years and no further.
Or maybe a fabrication like every other myth

>>41221920
>Sex isn't really that difficult to understand
>But I need a cytogenetics lab and about 3 weeks to tell me that woman is a man
Sex is the distant consequence of the presence or absence of a tiny region on the Y chromosome aptly named Sex Determining Region Y (or occasionally by other malfunctioning genes—not all males have a copy of SRY but the vast majority do). Intersex conditions manifest because of interference with some component of that chain.
Men and women are different! What's dumb is passing up all the distant consequences stuff for something that takes significant effort to even see. Stupid is insisting a woman is a man based on a molecular test, ignoring the evidence before your senses.
>>41221915
I'm sorry that happened to you. It's not right. Absolutely no one should ever be pressured into medical procedures they don't need. Or have an identity forced on them that's not theirs.
I hope you can heal.

>>41221928
>The miracles were meant to validate that Jesus was telling the truth
The point is that jesus felt the need to showcase "real" physical miracles hundreds of times.
But whenever he was challenged, he changed his tone to "the real miracle are the friends we make along the way".
It's not his fault since he didn't choose to be mystified and turned into a pseudo god centuries after his death, but whoever wrote it down had disagreeing opinions on the topic.

>>41221928
>The resurrection was the ultimate proof
And it was very lackluster, given it took another 3 hundred years for the religion to build enough momentum to be taken seriously by Rome.
By contrast, Mohamad died being worshipped and adored by his people, and quickly turned into a legend, whereas jesus needed centuries of oral tradition to reach that level.
Probably because he couldn't convince anyone in his lifetime since he had no supernatural powers and therefore was thoroughly rejected by jews, gentiles and romans alike, dying like a humiliated thief without any praise.

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>>41221920
>be mtftm medically transitioned femboy
>hang out in the most militant alt right spaces/nazi adjacent spaces possible for fun irl and online
>retards like you insist I’m a female pretending to be a man and arguing just gets them to say I’m a bio female and so they won’t respect my gender
Your retard logic leads to people who think any small and slim male who medically transitioned is a woman even if, especially if actually if they dress like men and say they’re men.

Nice job, you’re now calling XY men with banked sperm women just because you’re too ignorant of biology to tell and assume anyone with anthropometric proportions closer to the Western female are actually women.

>>41221928
>No such proofs are strictly necessary today (as demonstrated by the fact that many billions believe without seeing miracles).
And billions don't believe. I know your god doesn't care about billions being condemned, it's by design.
Your mythology is written in such an abusive way that the reader is blamed for their own condemnation, but god is praised for your possible salvation. Very inconsistent

>>41221928
>Fear of God is healthy
For the religion that worships fear, it's everything. Fear is the corner stone of your faith. It's the reason why you represss.
Imagine worshipping a dead kike, lmao. Couldn't be me

>>41221765
Gay male (hrt augmented) retard, it’s chasers who want you to proclaim you’re a woman and srs femboys are a thing in 2020 and actually the most versatile and safest role possible.
Woman is half a bunch of bad and artificial stereotypes so why would you even care about it. You’ve just been brainwashed into thinking you need it.

You’d be safer and happier if you realized you’re just a fem guy who’s comfortable being fem

>>41221991
>I'm just bored
So bored you decided to be a religious zealot in the tranny board? Anon your coping skills are very lacking in subtlety. At least on /pol/ or /r9k/ you could pretend to actually believe in the christian saviour lie, but not here. Here your mask falls apart.

>>41222090
I think the fact that Christians were severely persecuted for 300 years shows the Romans took them seriously. It's actually to Jesus's credit that he let himself be executed, rather than becoming a warlord like Muhammad.

>>41222093
I don't even know what this means

>>41222112
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;

>>41222121
No, hope is the cornerstone of my faith.

>>41222140
Idk what "mask" is slipping. I'm nothing if not sincere

>>41217952
girls and boys, please ignore the mossad posting. do what's best for you. fuck Israel and fuck america. you know how you truly feel

>>41221991
>Have you heard of a metaphor
So it's a metaphor when your god does something horrible like telling you to kill babies
But it's literal whenever it suits you?
That's religion 101 for you. It's designed in such a way purposefully, so you can bend and twist it into defending any atrocities while still being self righteous and moralistic

>>41222149
The mask of a christian zealot, that hides a sexually repressed queer who holds on to religion like the only thing left keeping that closet shut tight.
They've taught you the art of repression and you learned it so well it's part of your personality now. Your ego can't let go of it, yet. But it will, in due time. The wage of religion is loneliness and it will get to you.

>>41222149
>It's actually to Jesus's credit that he let himself be executed,
The only "credit" is him being a human who died and stayed dead, not really a god who lived but disappeared.
Rome only took Christianity seriously when it realized it could profit from it. Then Rome literally invented your religion as you know it, and heavily edited any scriptures to make up the bible you worship.

>>41222149
It's not in Jesus' credit that he failed to convince people of his powers, so much so that he was forsaken by his own people, the jews, as a false prophet. Which he was.

>>41222149
>or the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight
Meaningless before the fact that the vast majority of humanity will be eternally condemned if you believe in these absurd texts, rendering your deity apathetic at best, and malicious at worst.
But overall, just fictional

>>41222156
>>41222179
>>41222196
>>41222207
>>41222219
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

...

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

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>>41222149
>hope is the cornerstone of my faith.
It's fear, actually. Your only hope is to be spared of the fate you fear, the dark side of your jewish god.
There's a reason why Yahweh was chosen, a war and storm god. Ancient hebrews knew the power of strength, brute force and fear. Fear is the song to which the bible and jesus dance. And jesus spoke of fear more than he did about love.

>>41222237
You hold on to these verses like dear life to remind yourself of the reasons why you repressed in the first place: fear of divine punishment.
Such a mediocre way to live

>>41222237
>so God gave them over to a depraved mind
Sounds like god gave up on them and has other favourites.
Funny because it's the same god that ordered genocide, sex trafficking and slavery lecturing people on how bad those things are.

>>41221991
>I've only benefited by becoming a Christian
>Still proselytizing on the tranny board
You calling this "benefit" is hilarious. Nothing changed. You're still LGBT, surrounded by LGBT people. The only difference is the mask you're wearing

>>41222149
You keep talking about biology but have such a poor grasp of it that you call a femboy (born male, dressing male and self proclaiming male) a female because you mistake the combination of shoulders, Qangle and face shape closer to the female norm than male + some female secondary traits as woman pretending to be a man when in fact it’s just a male with genes for slim features + estrogen
Congratulations on calling men women because you can’t do anthropology

>>41221991
There's more to life than jewish mythology. I hope you don't waste many more years on that, besides the years you've already lost.

>>41222310
a femboy is a man because he is male. I don't know where you got the idea I think feminine males are women.

>>41222308
>>41222315
i'll pray for you

>>41222237
It feels like you're silently crying out for help. Like you're begging us to show you how to circumvent these insidious beliefs that have cursed your thoughts for so long and costed you so much of your youth.

>>41222332
You should pray for yourself, anon. You should pray to the actual creator of the universe to show you how futile and shallow human made mythology is. You should pray to be free from those caustic beliefs rooted in your brain since childhood.
You know praying the gay away doesn't work, you tried enough of that for years and it was all for naught. Maybe you should try something different now

annoying self-righteous proselytizer to annoying self-righteous proselytizer pipeline on full display itt
many such cases
I can't properly express how irritating this thread is to read as someone who was probably also shitting on you in your prior phase

>>41222332
no matter how hard you pray, the hebrew god and the fake prophet jesus aren't listening, anon. That's why you're still queer even after all those nightly prayers.

>>41222343
you're projecting

>>41222362
Actually, turning to Christ has helped heal the gender dysphoria. And again, I wasn't raised religious. I was an atheist from age 10

>>41222370
fair enough, I was an annoying TRA

>>41222378
You choosing the tranny board for your religious zealotry is not a coincidence, anon.

>>41222378
You are still an annoying proselyte and a sexually repressed queer person, nothing changed

>>41222378
>heal the gender dysphoria
If you were truly healed, you'd be giving your ex tranny testimony in church. But instead you came here.
That gd chapter of your life is far from over. We are guaranteed to see more of you.
No matter how much you claim otherwise, facetiously, no amount of prayer was able to fill that hole. That's why you're here.

>>41222378
> tHeRE'S morE to LiFE ThAN YOuR SEXuaLiTY, LOL. i PRoMise yOu I've OnLy beNeFITeD By BeCOmIng A chRIstiaN. AND rElIGioN iSn'T A sElf-hELP clUB aNYways.
Literally a bald, beared tranny hon decided that since he’s ugly everyone else has to be.
You don’t care about god, you just care about making sure everyone else is as unhappy as you.

>>41222378
>was an atheist
>Uses hardcore christian beliefs to further repress the dysphoria
>Calls jesus truth and quotes biblical verses on 4chan
It's okay, anon. You were indoctrinated into Christianity from the tenderest age, and it wasn't your fault. You had no other choice but to believe, without knowing what the future had in storage for you. Now you pay the price for a choice made for you.
I wish deconstructing your faith was easy, but at least by being here with the other heretics, you have made the first step.

>there's more to life than your sexuality
>devotes life to jewish mythology instead
What a shitty tradeoff

this thread is too low IQ to comprehend the real trvth
God is real but also he loves trannies

>>41222517
He loves troons but wants them to live as he intended.

https://faculty.som.yale.edu/jameschoi/whychrist/

>>41222543
yeah and he intended them to be troons

>>41222441
It's not unthinkable he thinks he can save us from our tranny lifestyles. I went through a BDD passoid phase and sometimes I think I can save other people from having to go through that.
I genuinely believe he wants to reduce the amount of suffering in the world. I just think he's gone schizo TERF-adjacent in a way that can only do damage instead.

>>41222554
Genuinely how do people refute this?

>>41222517
God is real, it's just not at all like the Hebrew mythology you have come to worship
>>41222543
>God made his intentions available for humans
Low iq take. Probably church goer.

>>41222543
Troons in gender neutral clothing are valid eunuchs.

>>41222555
He couldn't save himself from the tranny thoughts. All he has to offer is the empty allure of prayer and lots of repression, and we both know the dark side of that repressed lifestyle.
It's not a coincidence he's preaching the bible to 4chan trannies of all people. He's actually preaching it to himself in hopes of cementing his own repression

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>>41222555
Please tell me you became a based femboy
>>41222378
You’re this
And an annoying clown looking tranny

>>41222555
>he wants to reduce the amount of suffering in the world
In a very twisted way, like evil disguised as good.
To be fair that's religion 101, he's doing nothing new.

>>41222564
with weak cope typically
they usually start off from the position of being anti-trans and then try to stretch an expunged old testament ritual law into justifying their position rather than the other way around, that should tell you everything you need to know

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>>41217952
Reddit isn't real life. The few celebrity detroons seem inauthentic. Also, as bad and unintuitive as it looks, it's normal for traumatized individuals to feel guilt and longing for their trauma. The reconciliation with lookism for nonpassers and people aging out of good looks will lead to self hatred too. Obviously most trains are going to have chaotic Identity and self perception issues. Even if you find a consistent detroon vlogger who took hrt and doesn't seem paid off it could still be a part time self hatred outlet for them. Reddit is mostly bots and Eglin golem

>>41222564
I think it follows that males are intended to be men from the fact that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving and also chooses our sex.

I was thinking about the question of whether I would go to heaven as a man or a woman when I was still trans-identified. I thought: if God is real, shouldn't I trust him to pick my gender, and not me? And then it occurred to me that he already does pick everyone's gender by making them male or female.

We have a lot of things that are "natural" to humans- the desire to do terrible things- that we aren't supposed to act on. The presence of cross-sex ideation is not evidence that God intended troons to transition their gender.

>>41222579
If you're struggling with GD, I think taking estrogen and being celibate and turning to Christ is a valid course of action as long as you don't socially transition.

>>41222631
No, my "anti-trans" stance follows from Catholic theology. I'm not relying on my own interpretation of scripture.

>>41222828
It's so sad to see you conflating the creator with man made mythology made to strengthen bronze age patriarchy

>>41222828
>We have a lot of things that are "natural" to humans- the desire to do terrible things-
This is your first clue that whatever created nature wasn't thinking in hebrew terms.

>>41222828
if someone is born without a leg were they simply intended by God to be legless forever and to resist the sin of getting a prosthetic?
>physical place with physical bodies
>heaven

>>41222917
lmao. it's hard to believe you're making this comparison in good faith. a prosthetic makes you healthier, HRT and surgery damages your body (unless you're so mentally ill the "damage" feels like a benefit).

a better comparison is BIID. If one is born with a very strong ideation to remove their legs, does that mean God intends for them to remove their legs?

you can't compare GD to physical illnesses like cancer. you can maybe compare it to other mental illnesses.

>>41222917
Unironically the only sound, logical and reasonable interpretation of the bible would be just that: refuse any modern intervention from science and medicine because not only god knows best, but our flesh is ultimately unimportant compared to our spirit.
It's all bullshit though.

>>41222938
>a prosthetic makes you healthier
Treating your debilitating mental health issues with gender affirming care too.
However it doesn't fit in the bronze age desert mythology that you built your life around

>>41222938
Mental illnesses are physical because the mind is a organ like any other, this isn't magic or your fairy tales, anon. This is real life.

god certainly intended for them to have a very strong ideation to remove their legs. The real god at least, not the character you worship
When you create the universe you create everything in it. Your selective creator is just not the real creator after all.

>>41222938
You sir are bald, and have high aging male typical visceral fat and will drop dead from heart attack if you don’t hang first. The modal augmented Twink still has their hair, has no visceral fat has excellent lipids, and banks sperm and will totally outlive you and has a higher evolutionary fitness.

You’re a joke who harmed yourself and copes with drug like cults.
A wheezing fat hon who destroyed himself doesn’t get to tell the healthy what to do.
Your drug habit clearly harmed you and you’re no example other than cautionary.

You ate this. Drag this filthy repper to the ground and make it scared to come back

>>41222938
oh but I am
>a prosthetic makes you healthier
But does it? Will you die without a prosthetic leg? Wouldn't you be just fine (physically) to wheel around all day? I'm sure you could even dig up some rare autoimmune complication some people will get from the implants used to anchor it in place. Wouldn't that be prosthetics LITERALLY MUTILATING PERFECTLY HEALTHY BODIES or something to that effect.
I prioritize someone's mind, soul, and will over the rest of their physical bodies. We pull the plug when someone is brain-dead not paralyzed. So yeah if that was the only way someone could live happily with themselves then I do believe God would be okay with it.
>you can't compare GD to physical illnesses
Why not? Are mental illnesses not caused by physical things? The brain is an organ. The physical world isn't built on magic.

>>41223158
There is nothing worse than literal troonjak repressors who cope all over others and shit everything up by talking about their drug habits.
They are the type of subhumans the public hates. They are the school shooters like robin westman. Not boymoders and similar

>>41223172
as I've stated, I think you can take E to treat GD and be in line with Christ in some circumstances. but sex changes/social transition are definitely sinful. ultimately it's disordered

it's very simple. you can physically diagnose someone with cancer or a physical illness. mental illnesses are just clusters of symptoms. there is no brain scan you can do to diagnose someone with gender dysphoria. it's entirely based on self-reports.

my criticism of psychiatry extends beyond gender medicine, by the way. I think treating clusters of symptoms as discrete illnesses can be harmful, because symptoms can be caused by a bunch of different things.

>>41222599
Trooned at basically 36. Yeah repression sucks.
>>41222608
Me? Are 40 year old weird almost dwarf probably intersex passoids allowed to be femboys? That feels illegal somehow.
>>41222828
>I think it follows that males are intended to be men from the fact that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving and also chooses our sex.
My evangelical friend actually described me, to my face, as a living consequence of original sin. Undeniably the world is full of disease. But not even he would argue I should be an HRT repper about it.
Though in my case I couldn't anyway. I socially transitioned because I was consistently male-failing. Nobody was buying my man act after about 8 months on hormones.

>>41218001
Most trans people don't detrans, phobes like you just cherrypick the minority that do because it makes you feel more comfortable and reinforces your beliefs that you're being "protective" by basically terrorizing nonconforming kids with the wrong puberty. Conservative parents are control freaks and phobes are sadists that make fun of teenage suicides

>>41223223
Exercising our freedom is sinful. Everything but blind submission and unwavering faith to the jew god is sinful.
The lesson here being we don't care about your favourite mythology and how you cope with repression

>>41223223
>there is no brain scan you can do to diagnose someone with gender dysphoria
The christian being ignorant. about science? Who could have predicted this

we don't know what caused your gender dysphoria, but we sure do know why you are repressing: religion and its familial implications.

>>41223454
If we could diagnose people with GD via brain scans, we would be doing that instead of psychosocial assessments.

Gay men have similar brain differences to trans women. And even if you admit trans women have distinct brains, those distinct brains aren't causal of developing a trans identity since plenty of people have "trans brains" but don't troon out.

>>41223277
To christians you are nothing more than a mistake to be fixed. Don't fall for their rhetoric, it's self destructive

>>41223472
We have brain scans showing uncontestable differences between the brains of cis a trans people precisely in areas that closely resemble the opposite sex.
There's a reason why you resort to religion around this topic, and that is ignorance.
Only knowledge can be an antidote to your faith based repression

>>41223472
>Gay men have similar brain differences to trans women
Absolutely incongruent with evidence. Careful with that lying sin, repper

>>41223472
>plenty of people have "trans brains" but don't troon out
Reppers like you, fueled by external factors like family acceptance, money, wasted time, legality and most importantly, religious convictions

>>41223223
You know nothing about medicine and it shows. There are a bunch of diseases that rely solely on self report, specially pain related issues. A patient can 100% reach a surgical room by his subjective account of pain and discomfort alone without anything concrete.
Ignorance is your weapon because ignorance is the fuel of religion. Ignorance and fear.

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>>41223510
I ask then, why do we not diagnosed gender dysphoria with brain scans if the trans brains are so obvious? Seems like there wouldn't be any detroons if that were the case.

>>41223571
I'm not discounting self-reporting entirely, I'm just making the point that you can't objectively diagnose someone as trans like you can with say, cancer. you have to use analogies like pain treatment. and even then a lot of people do fake pain to get drugs, lol

>>41223643
>Knows nothing about the availability of brain scans with function mapping of the brain
Like I said, your worldview is built on knowledge of the bible, and ignorance of everything else