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Once Will publishes his magum opus everything will change.
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>>41225296
most trannies already know this doe
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Yes, we are artificially intersex, by taking hormones, we simulate an artificial organ that produces the necessary hormones, to make changes on our bodies, and after some time we end up modifying our bodies artificially irreversible.

There is not such a thing as “as was born as a male but my gender is female”, nah, that is just nonsense, the truth is, we are intersex.

No longer female or male, but intersex.

And that’s something cool, I hope in the future we could modify our bodies even further.
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>>41225335
cant even read a dogshit reddit screenshot award
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>>41225296
>2050
>doctors are saying you have the powers syndrome instead of GD
its over
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>>41225359
oh my god i didnt even think about this. being alive in the time where powers took 90% of his research from internet trannies and then him officially being named the one who discovered all of it is going to be insane.
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>>41225380
https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/wiki/meyer-powers_syndrome_faq/
its over
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>>41225380
a surprising amount of science is like that, uncle Billy Bub often figures out things long before academia does but not to the standards required for his knowledge to be considered reliable, so then someone has to put in the work prove Billy Bub correct
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>>41225296
meh ill believe when I see it. Hes had a lot of crackpot theories some interesting some not so much
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>>41225409
if i see this shit get a wikipedia page one day i will fucking lose it
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>>41225432
it is very likely that gender dysphoria is caused by multiple different hormonal related stuff during pregnancy or shortly after birth, so he will probably succeed. the big problem is that he is going to try to push everything under his name
trannies are giving him research material and ideas for free
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>>41225296
BASED

ummmmmm hello? based department????????

i wonder if there’s different hormone signaling pathways in diff subtypes of trannies. and onset of dysphoria. very interesting

>>41225380
LMFAO YEAH HES LIKE A MEME DOCTOR. bro literally interacts with 4tran. shits gonna be cringe but idc. the magnus hirschfield of our time….
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>>41225496
more like magnus hirschfraud. this shit better be called tttt-4tran syndrome instead.
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>>41225296
I'm already intersex, I have XXY chromosomes. Does this make me double intersex?
Will I be able to force public health insurance to cover my transition costs if I get diagnosed with Powers syndrome?
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>>41225432
>>41225482
i thought there were already hintings at this in official literature
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>>41225559
>the big problem is that he is going to try to push everything under his name
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would you fuck him
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>>41225583
A marketer is a marketer, whatever it takes to get these things spread around
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>>41225583
bruh who the fuck cares if some cissoid doctor gets the credit if it means better healthcare and understanding for trannies.
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>>41225296
Will powers really needs to set up proper testing to prove his dosing schedules are superior rather than all this hoodoo voodoo bullshit.
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damn this nigga crazy

>Powers said he was a “vain son of a b***h”, and often used a very low dose of oestrogen in his face cream, “after noticing the rejuvenating effect feminizing hormone replacement therapy (HRT) had on [his] patients, particularly their facial skin”.

>The doctor said he usually uses a fifth of a gram of a one per cent oestrogen formula once or twice a week, which leaves his body’s hormone levels at baseline.

>However, he recently wrote himself a prescription and accidentally ordered a ten per cent oestrogen formula. When it arrived, he didn’t notice any difference, other than that the new bottle had a pump.

>One morning, he pumped out an entire gram, instead of his normal one fifth of a gram. He said: “I didn’t want to waste it all and I was in a rush, and so I figured screw it, it’s fine, it’s only one per cent, and I slathered my face up with that and went on my merry way.”

>The next day, noticing some dry skin and not having any moisturiser at home, he put on another full pump and made a mental note to get some moisturising cream on his way back from work. This, he said, “was a terrible mistake”.

>The following night, he began having dreams that he was growing breasts. The day after that, his chest began to hurt.

>He wrote: “I was very confused, until I touched my chest and realised my nipple was hard as a rock and insanely painful… I ran to the bathroom to look at the bottle and pretty much gasped in horror.

>“I had not only used five times the normal amount, I used 100 times the normal dose effectively. Twice.

>“In two days I had given myself more oestrogen than I would normally give myself in like six months.”
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>>41225359
>>41225380
>>41225600
yeah who cares
powers is cool anyway
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>>41225611
i remember reading this and thinking it was funny as fuck. still is!
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>>41225616
fuck it, as long as it means my ffs and srs can get paid for by the government, whatever. still dont like him tho lol
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>>41225559
idk but the idea of it all going wrong in the embryo makes sense which hes talked about a lot
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>>41225611
so fucking based.
i actually like this guy now lmao.
all the best scientists do weird experiments on themselves or accidentally poison themselves with mercury or whatever
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>>41225526
“yeah so my son got diagnosed with tttt-powers-4tranny-syndrome, type twinkhon. so she’s gonna be living as our daughter now. thank GOD we caught it early before it progressed to agp. so shes gonna grow up as a youngshit passoid now.”
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>>41225594
>>41225600
>>41225616
well judging by his history I wouldnt exactly trust him with fame and power
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>>41225664
his history of being one of the best doctors for trans medicine in america, if not globally?
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>>41225296
the human genome is a fucking mess, he better have some proof these expressions don't happen in cis people or it's going to have a completely contrary effect, they're not going to enjoy being told oh actually you're a tranny lol
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>>41225664
boooo go be his actual patient before you judge
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>>41225699
whats your experience? what does he do that is so different?
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if this is true then why are there so many intersex people?
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>>41225650
Based.
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>>41225296
Powers is a fucking retard and a narc
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i am a REAL molecular biologist i will not let WILL POWERS publish this before me. he's gonna totally fuck it all up too.
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>>41225760
Are there? Even something like 1% isn't that much really. I think it a lot of the developmental disorders have a higher estimated rate than that.
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>>41225668
>>41225796
:D

>>41225688
truuuu. hope he doesn’t rush it and end up not being taken serious
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>>41225296
What's this dude's deal? Why's he so invested? Is being a trans woman kind of like being a product used to fund a pyramid scheme ultimately benefitting Will Powers? Do loved ones and employers of trans people not realize they're being scammed?
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>>41225945
he sees us as being fun to experiment on
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>>41225664
I trust him.
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>>41225959
can you really blame him?
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>>41225976
no desu but i wish it wasnt a cissoid doing it
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>>41225959
I really hate this!
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>>41225990
just be grateful he isn't a german doctor in 1944
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>>41225650
this is LITERALLY what should have happened to me as a child though.

i was the weirdly androgynous intersex tttt twinkhon autistic "sensitive kid" and they should have seen that i was obviously trans before puberty >:(

it was obvious and i'm angry everyone ignored and dismissed it until i was a teenager and started buying estrogen online. i should have been given estrogen when i wad 13 or 14 and grown up normally
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>>41225683
megahons hate his guts because he doesn't indulge their delusions
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>>41226027
explain?
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>>41226027
lol what
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>>41226007
being sensitive and autistic doesn’t make u a tranny nice try glowfag
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>>41225296
I like powers but i think his definition of intersex will vary greatly from what the scientific and normie community deems intersex, in practical terms
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>>41225409

Weird shit.

I've got four of those medical conditions.
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>>41226089
it would also apply to homosexuals, if we are going by brain structure it has similar causes to GD.

In very old literature I have seen trannies referred to as "psychological hermaphrodites", so half lumping us in with intersex has come up before, however it seems like "neurological hermaphrodite" would also apply to garden variety homosexuals, so perhaps a return of the very old invert theory?
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>>41226089
intersex doesn't really have a strict definition (unsurprising), which is the problem
a lot of people will say that intersex is only anatomical or genetic disorders. But a lot of people like powers will say that intersex is any deviation from normal sex patterns, and so could include natural hormonal differences, developmental differences, brain differences, etc.
on the other hand the term "intersex" has mostly been replaced by "disorders of sex development", which seems to have stricter definitions
I think most researchers in the field are aware that there are actual medical differences between trans people and cis people obviously. The problem is more that people don't care
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>>41225296
this won’t explain dumb cis men who take e like me tho
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>>41225409
>Zinc and Magnesium deficiency is frequently seen. What is the true frequency? How much is genetic v.s. epigenetic

if Dr Powers is reading this heres another freebie from the trannies: its cuz 90% of reppers are alchoholics. do a statistical analysis: do youngshits have normal zinc and magnesium? i bet they do
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>>41225945
A U T I S M
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And trannies are his special interest. If anything, that's the kinda of doctors we need. While a bit obsessive, it's way better than the typical negligence or disinterest. Like, my last doctor didn't even know that E injections were a thing.
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>>41226347
he probably thinks you shouldn't be able to take it, that's like the one thing i dont like about powers
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>>41225296
can i get my genome tested so i can figure out if im actually trutrans and can either transition or kill myself instead
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>>41226063
How are they glowing? Isn't there a government shutdown right now?
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>>41225296
I don’t think this counts as intersex, because sex hormone signalling pathways are also implicated in the development of neurodivergence such as autism. It does prove that being trans (and to an extent being gay too, based on the fMRI studies), is biological. But the way intersex is defined is that people are born with observable and significant differences in the major factors of sex differentiation, being reproductive organs, genitalia, gonads, chromosomes and sex hormone profile. Differences to the brain doesn’t count as being intersex. However, I do think there will likely be a lot of benefits for the trans community to have their conditions be put under the umbrella of neurodivergence/neurodevelopmental instead of being seen as a mental illness. Clinical for DSDs/intersex people are not equipped nor specialized for trans care, and we fought very hard to have care tailored for intersex concerns.
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>>41225945
he is autistic about modifying living organism's phenotypes. Literally we are his hyperfixation. He literally tried to influence how his cats would grow by feeding them special diets and shit.
https://www.dogonews.com/2022/10/6/meet-fenrir-the-worlds-tallest-living-domestic-cat/page/9
Trans people are humans that are begging some doctor to do basically the same kind of shit to them. And they'll be motivated to try any kind of experiment you come up with. I think he is overall good for trans people because he is more genuine motivation than other doctors to try to solve their issues but spends way too much time on reddit.
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>>41225296
Also you guys are being taken for a ride. Even cystic fibrosis doesn’t have a 99% hit rate on genetic causes. DSD/intersex conditions only have a 30-40% hit rate. There’s a reason why things are still diagnosed clinically. Im highly skeptical of the number he’s citing and worried there is methodological error in his study.
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>>41225410
>science
You should actually read his theory. He might be onto a meaningful thing but he's overgeneralizing. He's found a pattern and his autism won't let him integrate exceptions to that pattern. His hyperfixation is now his specific estrogen mechanism of GD, or basically Blanchardism in a monocle and a top hat.
>>41226725
Yeah I'd still let him analyze my genome.
>>41228474
This is largely a semantics debate if you can point to physical differences and demonstrate their consequences but yeah I don't want to see this kind of stuff run over intersex advocacy.
But it does kill the argument I've occasionally heard that trans is a choice while intersex is not. Intersex is not a choice but neither is trans (except for trenders, allegedly).
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>>41228865
Oh yeah there's this. Decent chance I have PAIS but it's a crapshoot if I'll ever prove it post transition, and it's exactly because genetic testing isn't actually all that great.
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>>41228865
I assume he is just casting the net really wide and saying any kind of enzymatic irregularities in any of the hundreds of sex hormone pathways n the body counts as DSD. Which, like sure, but everyone has irregularities when you get that granular. You need to establish some kind of minimum floor that is diagnostically helpful.
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>>41225296
Why does this sound so cool?
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>>41229219
Part of me kind of respects that. When GOPers bother to try to exempt intersex people from their anti-trans measures they do it under the assumption that intersex people have medical verification, but that's not necessarily true in practice. But if every tiny enzymatic difference of unknown clinical significance is now a DSD it feels like a big fuck you to their bullshit.
It used to be standard practice for them to do what they could to conceal the condition (surgery, hormones) and then gaslight patients about it.
No ma'am--you just had cancer and needed a full hysterectomy as an infant. No way we would ever literally lie to you about your genetic sex.
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>>41225296
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM THE START
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>>41229175
Yeah, intersex conditions are still a clinical diagnosis for the reason that we can’t reliably find genetic markers. But regardless of genetics, there are concerns like bone density, congenital comorbidities like deafness, autoimmune conditions, heart defects etc that need addressing. As well as complicated endocrine profiles and urological concerns. The needs are different, and that’s what defines the separation in care.

I agree that nothing is a choice— sex, gender or sexuality. We don’t need to make everyone intersex to respect that.

>>41229213
You can still do the SHBG diagnostic test and also the androgen receptor assay— some university hospitals will do it for you!

>>41229219
A lot of those pathways are wild type and can occur in people who are not trans gay or intersex. There’s a reason why big institutions haven’t found anything after reducing the signal to noise ratio. I can respect that powers cares a lot for his patients, but as a clinical researcher I cringe a bit at his methods…
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>>41229337
I am one of the intersex people who pushed for exemptions for intersex conditions under anti trans bills. Some conditions do actually need medical intervention early, and it needs to be case by case, per the Chicago consensus. You can’t exactly let someone with Swyer’s keep their streak gonads, that will become cancer. You also can’t let someone with cloacal exstrophy just leave their intestines hanging out in the open. Specific surgeries like clitoral reductions need to be banned for minors, but surgery altogether is not something that should be banned. Intersex kids also sometimes don’t make their own hormones and they need HRT to start puberty or else their bones will break— the effort was to preserve their choice in what puberty they wanted. Additionally, puberty blockers are used in CAH when precocious puberty can begin at 6
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>>41229373
>We don’t need to make everyone intersex to respect that
you're wrong, the other side thinks we transition for kicks
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>>41229373
I couldn't actually find confirmation that the SHBG test works on estrogen. But yeah I'm willing if someone will prescribe it.
My endo was kind of horrified when I suggested it though. But if 20 years of testosterone couldn't make a man out of me what's a week?
I don't think she even knew about testing for testosterone binding affinity. It's not perfect either but I'd let them try that. Combining tests should improve the hit rate.
The local DSD experts are all pediatricians but one of the hospital systems does have a team. My endo was supposed to actually reach out to one of them. I think she wants to help me but is a little lost.
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>>41229461
Local hospitals can conduct consultations even if they’re all paediatrics— as long as you don’t remain a patient I think they might be able to try for you. I can send you more specifics if you have discord, I can add you.

1 week of t won’t masculinize anyone— at most you’ll feel a bit off for a week. SHBG test only works for T, not E. There are binding assays available too, but moreso in a research context. They’re not mainstream because they still use tritium binding. I’d do the SHBG one and get AR sequencing done and see if that returns a positive. Also, high LH and high T before HRT is another soft tell.
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>>41229415
Oh yeah I get that, but similar language is appearing in unrelated bills. One thing they seem to have gotten out of it is they can waive a magical now-the-intersexes-can't-sue-us talisman by sticking a half-baked exception into ID/sex definition bills.
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding and I should let you clue me in if you know what's up with those too.
(The correct answer of course IMO is to simply not pass those bills.)
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>>41229546
Oh yeah I do think it’s getting weaponized, because intersex people suing is most likely going to overturn those bills. But the original exceptions were pushed for by intersex advocates and by clinicians who work with intersex people. I think those exceptions were pushed for by intersex people and accepted by GOP because they realized it was a strategic “anti sue” guideline. It also will make it hard for a trans person who later finds out they’re intersex to sue too, because they have an exception. But from what I’ve heard coming out of very red states is that they’re no longer training clinicians and medical students on intersex conditions, sexuality, reproductive rights like abortion, and being trans. By worsening the doctors’ abilities, they’re trying to make it so that intersex diagnoses become rarer and they can legislate us away under the “trans” umbrella. Similar, by refusing to teach med students about abortions, it means that most women will “pass” the 6 or 8 week mark and be unable to get an abortion.
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>>41229608
It's certainly made my advocacy interesting.
Basically whenever I out myself as trans to Republicans, they immediately assume I am intersex. I actually had the concept nursesplained to me at a protest. An actual elected official has expressed the same thought to me when I talked to him about the bills in flight in my state.
I am for whatever reason basically the polar opposite of their caricature of trans women, despite having gone fully through natal puberty. It makes it hard for them to argue I'm a delusional man or a physical threat to women.
I'm a little afraid this story ends in me being a plaintiff as basically Shrodinger's intersex person. But if that opportunity ever presents itself I'll do it.
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>>41230109
They don’t understand that male and female bodies aren’t that different half the time and most trans people do pass pretty alright, if they put effort into it. I am also afraid that they’ll use caricatures of the trans community and then dismiss reasonable trans people put out to be plaintiffs as “potentially intersex” so the case will get thrown out (but then such people can’t get an intersex diagnosis from an actual doctor). Wouldn’t put it past the GOP to pull this
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>>41225611
He was molested by hypersexual female demons that don't discriminate age, race, or sex and smell the estrogen all the way from Venus.
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So half the thread is just upset it's a cis guy researching this, or upset at the idea of trangenderism being linked to biological differences because it would make being intersex less special? What bizarre priorities you all have.
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>>41230504
No, the problem is that intersex as a label exists to access specialized care for around 100+ unique conditions, and if everyone lgbt is suddenly intersex then intersex people will need a new term (again) for our specialized healthcare needs. Yall did this with “assigned at birth” language too
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>>41230526
So you oppose research linking transgenderism to biological differences because you're worried about a semantics argument suddenly manifesting in doctors no longer treating your condition for some reason?
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>>41225688
He does have cis patients with the same mutations though, mostly LGB or GNC. He needs to figure out why some people with those genes turn out dysphoric and others don’t. It’s probably going to end up being psychologically triggered in people with the genetic predisposition.
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>>41225296
i dont understand this, so trans women have low estrogen signalling? how does that make sense?
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>>41230558
What a fancy way for you to try and paint being trans as a mental illness again.
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>>41225296
Powers man once again agrees with me. Why must I always be so prophetic.
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>>41225650
>>41225668
Lmao also true
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>>41230526
Many (probably most) gender dysphorics themselves have differing underlying "unique" disorders/variations of sex development, and having a proper diagnosis instead of fibromyalgia-tier "Px gender hurts" symptom descriptions makes the difference between effective and shit treatment. I'd hope that "classic" DSD sufferers would empathize
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>>41225990
It doesn't matter what his motivations are as long as it benefits us, trannies are so fucking sensitive. I hate you all
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>>41230556
Intersex care used to be done together with trans care, but it was not effective for intersex people because it used standardized treatments for very specific healthcare needs. Some intersex conditions make someone predisposed to cancer, or have congenital heart defects, and other issues. A lot of intersex people who go through GAC end up being treated poorly or even having their health endangered from the lack of awareness about their conditions.

>>41230690
I do think having a description for it would be helpful, but the treatment for it is ostensibly still different from the treatment that intersex people need. It is like how chronic illness sufferers who have EDS or CFS should have diagnoses and be respected, but that doesn’t mean POTS is the same as having a fatal heart arrhythmia in terms of care prescribed
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>>41230265
Ironically they probably latch onto it in my case for a really stupid reason.
One of my soft counter-evidence things to PAIS being my answer is I'm very, very short. 4'11.5" short. Not really unexpected given how short my parents were. I don't know that it's guaranteed but I've read AIS tends to make people taller though.
I also developed limited body and facial hair and my voice didn't really drop and I have comically narrow shoulders and relatively broad hips by male standards and my endo doesn't think a GH deficiency alone is enough to explain my history, but the first thing people notice about me isn't really evidence of a DSD.
For what it's worth I think I'm the only male family member to be routinely misgendered before leaning into it by transitioning. So I kinda think there are two separate issues going on.

But frankly if it wasn't for the genital scarring I wouldn't be so adamant about pursuing a diagnosis. But what has been seen cannot be unseen and now I need answers.
(Every time I mention that I feel the need to mention I know what the median raphe is.)

I figure if I pursue a diagnosis I'll either get one (and some needed closure and a more complete medical history) or I'll fail and be able to truthfully testify I've done everything in my power to be covered by one of those exceptions.
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>>41225432
>crackpot theories
I don't know anon, a discrete intersex condition causing intense dysphoria is far from "crackpot theory". People killing themselves for no reason or "grooming" is much more crackpot.

If it can be isolated to a specific genome or family of genomes that would make it objectively diagnosable and therefore justify earlier medical interventions.
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>>41230526
>Yall did this with “assigned at birth” language too
No that was transgenders, you know, the people who did exactly what you're complaining about to our condition.
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>>41230526
wow just like what happened to trans people
I think the real issue here is that the trans label became so wide and watered down that actual transsexuals became a minority within the community, and it's considered offensive to talk about it. And now transsexuals are losing their specialized care as what used to be considered a medical disorder has been reduced to a word game for cissex people to play, while the trans spaces and activism that used to be for transsexuals 15+ years ago is now for alt women and crossdressers
I don't think that widening the definition of intersex to include trans people is a good solution here, it's ironically the same thing that happened to trans people. What we really need is to distinguish that there's actually a real difference between transsexuals and cissex gnc people. Because otherwise trans people look at the intersex community and think "oh it would be nice to actually have a community and representation of my experience, which is of someone with a life-changing medical disorder, and not someone who likes being trans or is into gender nonconformity or whatever else"
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>>41230577
He implied it in some of his posts where he says that the mutations make people less resilient to stress. He clearly doesn’t want that to be the answer but hasn’t found any other explanation yet so he needs to get some proper control groups and do a rigorous comparison.
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>>41230935
Have you ever considered mixed gonadal dysgenesis? 45X/46XY can result in short adult height and it matches the description you have about puberty, and being very short. You can ask your endo about it.

You should also get a pelvic ultrasound to see if you have any internal structures like a small uterus (this can often happen in mixed gonadal dysgenesis).
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>>41230565
He says E masculinizes the brain (it does in other species but not much for it evidence in humans yet)
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>>41230958
That language was very important to us, because it helped us explain to medical professionals that some of us had surgeries to normalize our genitalia, and that our genitalia or reproductive organs don’t match the legal sex listed on insurance documents.

>>41231023
I wonder if it’s possible to have a new category of neurodivergence for being transsexual? I don’t know much about the trans community, but I don’t think it would benefit transsexuals or intersex people to expand the definition of intersex to include gender dysphoria. People with GD don’t need yearly MRIs to see if they’ve developed cancer or yearly scrotal ultrasounds or complicated genetic testing to see if they also have deafness, autism, learning disabilities, cardiovascular issues, metabolic disorders etc. I don’t think the standards for intersex care would be suitable for their needs, and it would foster resentment from the intersex community (we already struggle to access specialized care to begin with)
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>>41230932
Obviously the treatments are different, even within the GD sub-umbrella they are - which is what my post was arguing in the first place
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>>41231191
>That language was very important to us
I'm aware, but transsex people aren't the ones who stole that terminology. It's the cis people who now use it as a stand in for male/female
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>>41231191
>People with GD don’t need yearly MRIs to see if they’ve developed cancer or yearly scrotal ultrasounds or complicated genetic testing to see if they also have deafness, autism, learning disabilities, cardiovascular issues, metabolic disorders etc. I don’t think the standards for intersex care would be suitable for their needs, and it would foster resentment from the intersex community (we already struggle to access specialized care to begin with)
I agree
but on the other hand a lot of intersex people also don't need that. There's no one shared intersex experience, many intersex people don't even learn that they're intersex until they're adults
but yeah, like I said the solution isn't merging the groups, the solution is actually getting intersex and transsex people medical treatment (both groups struggle to access specialized care)
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>>41231219
well they're only doing that because trans people attempted to muddy the waters of male/female, if you stuck to man/woman there would be much less of an issue with the language
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>>41231077
I have noooooooot. Though funny enough it was a friend's stab in the dark guess and it's gonna be really funny if he turns out to be right.
We did do a CMA and it did not find evidence of mosaicism but both the report and the doctor mentioned it cannot reliably exclude it.
Nobody's done an ultrasound of anything, though a nurse at a urologist asked about it before they proceeded to diagnose me with "nothing you need to worry about" and "nothing you need to worry about now" and then do nothing.

I need to send a follow-up message to the endo anyway so I'll write something up about all this.
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>>41231256
>transsex
how about intrasex
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>>41231388
Feel free to message me on discord: yamtaro_tea if you want! I can help give more specific advice on testing etc.

>>41231256
That is true that some don’t need any treatment at all, but the most common conditions do need monitoring. Even low maintenance conditions like CAIS for example require yearly ultrasounds for the testes.

I agree that trans people need more specialized care than HRT prescribed through planned parenthood. I think it’s the fact that most trans people’s demands are fairly simple and straightforward (just standard HRT) that leads to their not being much specialized care. But you can get it at university hospitals
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>>41225650
this is a world i can only dream of. giwtwm
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>>41225296
i'm a pretty offline person so i don't really know who this will powers guy is. can someone give me a summary?
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being trans is neurological intersex
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>>41230932
And improving trans care requires research and understanding of the biological basis for the condition, which is your opposition to that research is a problem. I understand your fears, but you need to look at it from the other direction. Opposing research is basically saying you don't want us to discover where our condition comes from, which other than hindering attempts to improve treatment, also prevents us from having an argument against people who wish to deny us care in the first place.
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>>41231733
imo most likely however the data supporting it is very weak, to say the least
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>>41231965
I’m not opposed to research, I’m moreso questioning the methodology used here and the direction. I think we should find the biological basis for being trans, but I don’t think we should start from the assumption that it is the same as being intersex. Additionally, my issues with the 99% stat that powers cites is that even well characterized diseases like cystic fibrosis don’t have a 99% yield rate on genetic testing, so I have a lot of questions about the methodology used here and which sub clinical genotypes are being used
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>>41230558
So he's basically found a link between being a tranny and drinking water? Doesn't seem like a slam dunk proof
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>>41225296
Isn't Will Powers the holocaust coper?
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>>41232475
what?
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>>41232802
he believes in the holocaust
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>>41226908
has he said that in the past
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>>41225296
I've literally been saying this the entire time. It doesn't take a PhD to understand the concept. If you took a hypothetical drug that gave you cystic fibrosis, and you literally had it, you would just have cystic fibrosis. You wouldn't be trans-cystic or some shit, you'd just be someone with cystic fibrosis. I don't understand how this is any different than taking medication which intentionally turns you intersexed. Intersexed people literally have both male and female biology, which is exactly what trannies have. I'm a boymoder and if anyone ever asked me upfront why I have boobs as a guy, I wouldn't tell them I'm a tranny, I'd just say that I'm intersex, because that's technically what I am.
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>>41231733
*intrasex
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>mfw us based chasers are also intersex
Truly a miracle of research. Trannybros, were one in this fight. Need our letter btw.
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>>41225296
every take about intersex people on this board is shit
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>>41234793
you got the B tho
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>>41234814
We straight dough
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>>41234761
There are lots of words in this thread already explaining why you're wrong.
Yeah you can give yourself a simulated endocrine condition if that's how you want to look at it. But if it turns out I am intersex as I think I am doctors will have had left my body to its own devices for decades without even mentioning that I was different, ignoring the possibility of risks to my health from doing so.
There's nothing actually wrong with being a tranny. Even if I turn out to be intersex I will still be trans.
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>>41236047
>There are lots of words in this thread already explaining why you're wrong
Where?
>if that's how you want to look at it
That's not a way to look at it, that's just what it is.
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>>41236047
The result of the conversation in the thread is that there is some biological basis to being a tranny and we want to know what it is. Whether it's defined as 'intersex' or not is a concern mainly because some from that side think it'll prevent them from getting specialized care somehow, but ultimately that's a semantics game. If Powers is right then trans people will typically be the result of their brains not processing sex hormones the expected way due for their birth sex due to genetics. That gives a biological basis for the condition and a 'justification' for why they feel like the opposite sex.
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>>41234761
dats not what mr. powers is saying though



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