>>41228646
Transgenderism is the new would-be theocracy ngl

>>41228646
Richard Dawkins is BASED?!

>>41228729
No he’s not he’s wrong about sex being binary he’s just an old boomer chud who can’t get with the times

>>41228646
>trans women are women based on science
>trans women are men based on science

>>41228760
Trans women are trans women
Trans men are trans men

Can cismen get pregnant?
No only trans men can get pregnant

>>41228760
but is the science based?

>>41228800
50IQ subhuman never post again

>>41228800
i cant wait for the first john 50 to get his womb transplant

>>41228827
>technology lets me attach a lizard tail to a rat so this means rats are lizards chud

>>41228646
science isn't real you fucking nerd

>>41228760
>trans women are women based on science
What you're referring to is not science, it's an issue of semantics.

>>41228800
Men cannot get pregnant.
Transmen can.

Women can get pregnant.
Transwomen cannot.

(Cis is a redundant slur.)

>>41228800
Your point is not making sense. Men can get pregnant.

>>41228859
>male gets a womb transplanted and gets a fetus growing there
>somehow doesnt count as pregnancy

>>41228910
Correct. Trans men are trans men, not men.
>>41228921
Nope. Men born as men cannot get pregnant sorry.

>>41228922
Ah yes man-made horrors beyond my comprehension

>>41228760
The first statement was never based on science

>>41228931
Trans men are men in the same way white women are women.

>>41228760
>>41228802
the consensus is in the process of being manufactured please wait patiently while the science updates

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Richard Dawkins has spoken

— “This ridiculous article (shame on the once-great Scientific American) ignorantly misunderstands the nature of the sex binary. … Sex is not defined by chromosomes, nor by anatomy, nor by psychology or sociology, nor by personal inclination, nor by “assignment at birth”, but by gamete size. It happens to be embryologically DETERMINED by chromosomes in mammals. … But it is universally DEFINED by the binary distinction between sperms and eggs. You may argue about “gender” if you wish (biologists have better things to do) but sex is a true binary, one of rather few in biology.”

Article in question: https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

>>41228979
Absolutely not

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Trannies only joined the atheist movement because they thought it made them look smarter. They thought the science was on their heckin side. “Stop being dumb like a religious person this is science”.

>>41228646
>trust the soience
No.

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>>41228646
nice file size

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>>41229036
who is this guy again and why should i care?

>>41229055
image dimension* fuck esl esl im kms right NOW

>>41228931
>Men born as men cannot get pregnant sorry
What do you think transgenderism means? Transgenderism is about dismantling the preconceived notion that sex determines gender. The "trans" of transgenderism is when a person believes they were assigned the wrong gender at birth. So, if transgenderism takes off and becomes the norm, a male born a girl/woman would be a cisgendered girl/woman.

>>41229036
Based
I think he just assumes men and male are the same word when they reflect different usages

Like, there are AMaBs we call men but they could never deliver a small gamete ever due to intersex condition. Because we build men out of AMaBs.

>>41229063
he thinks he knows everything. high functioning autist.

Trans movement exists because exogenous hormones (bio identical) became a thing and is easily applied. That's what trans is.
In the future there will be other techniques furthering it.
It will not vanish unless you use nanobots to rewrite human biology on a huge scale. At which point we'd be trans human anyway.

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>>41229127
well im one of those and i say kiss your beautiful transgender wife

>>41228945
i hope that the concept of a pregnant john 50 will now live rent-free in your head

>>41229053
But you trust the science when the science tells you you’re a real woman

>>41229127
But you think you know more/better than him

>retards in this thread thinking science is a monolith

>>41229036
>You may argue about “gender” if you wish (biologists have better things to do)
This is rich from the man who coined the idea of memes being passed down and spending all his time being an atheist debatelord. He's just trying to oppose the new idea being spread because it makes him uncomfortable.

>>41229259
Wow you’re stupid.

>>41229279
Nice rebuttal, retard

>>41229259
I don’t consider myself a theist or an atheist and I still vibe with Dawkins and Hitchens. They have good points. To me religion is just a dogmatic way of looking at a thing. Even science is a religion now.

>>41229239
no I'm just not a reductionist

>>41229334
>mmmmm I believe in the mystery qualia mmmmm can't describe what I mean but mmmmm the qualia

>>41229036
Richard Dawkins isn't even disagreeing with transgenderism here. Transgender persons don't think sex is non-binary, like he's implying. The problem is transgenderism needs to come up with more words for certain things. Like, for example, transgenderism needs alternative words for male and female.

>>41229334
How do you avoid reductionism in a world of hard materialism? It’s why you people think sex isn’t real at all. You’ve deconstructed everything to the point where you’re like “actually chromosomes don’t matter” or “actually gametes don’t matter”, etc, and it’s fucking retarded.

>>41229357
It’s precisely a matter of semantics. The problem is trannies -want- you to use the words they want you to use. When someone says to them “men can’t get pregnant” they have this “um ackchually trans men can get pregnant” urge. They should KNOW what someone means when they say men can’t get pregnant. They don’t think cismen can get pregnant. They should know that when someone says men or woman they are referring to cismen and ciswomen.

This whole ‘cis’ thing is retarded, frankly.

>>41229402
The cis prefix needs to be chucked, no one wants this. It's like making up a word to describe people WITHOUT achondroplasia.

Just make room for the separate transwomen and transmen on top of men and women and stop trying to squeeze transwomen in with women, no one fucking likes this.

>>41229372
in terms of humans all that matters is the heart. people like you would rather have others suffer or die if their existence brings you any discomfort.

>>41229402
>When someone says to them “men can’t get pregnant” they have this “um ackchually trans men can get pregnant” urge
Transgenderism is about dismantling the preconceived notion that sex determines gender. So, for example, if transgenderism takes off and becomes the norm, a female born a boy/man would be a cisgendered boy/man. Meaning it would be man, and not trans man.

>>41229457
>nyoo the fuck you mean i cant exclude you and verbally degrade you there is NO HECKING way i am equal to a t-t-t-TRANNY
wah wah if you call me a "transman" to my face you are getting a punch to yours but you already know that, that's why you only screech about it online

>>41229522
>Transgenderism is about dismantling the preconceived notion that sex determines gender

It does determine gender. Without sex there would be no gender. Gender is quite literally just, well, sexual identity or sexual expression.

>>41228646
Wrong. Old people are just obsessed with their traditions. Tell him not to use fridges anymore since it's not natural, etc.

I feel like transgenderism would've been accepted if it solely focused on deconstructing the connotations of man and woman, instead of promoting cisnormative notions and trying to subvert them.

>>41229585
But, gender is separate concept from sex. It's not one of the same.

>>41228646
Bro fell off. Probably most fun he ever had was on Lolita express. Now that Esptien is dead he can only complain about trannies online. Such is the life of an old rich prick with some popularity.

>>41228729
he is massed, mofo got fat af

>>41229714
>But, gender is separate concept from sex. It's not one of the same.
Yeah. No. Gender comes of sex. Without sex there would be no gender.

>>41229880
Sure, you could make the argument gender originates from sex, but, as a concept, they're both separate from each other. For example, TC-14 (same robot as C-3P0, but silver) from Star Wars has no sex, but is still referred to as she/her.

>>41229880
gender is cultural stuff like clothing and behavior. gender norms have been enforced on people based on their sex due to religious dogma.

>>41228646
Has he been talking about the rise of anti-vaccination belief or does he only talk about da troons nowadays?

>>41229991
Nope. They’re not separate at all. When you say your gender is female you’re saying you identify as a woman.

Pronouns refer to someone’s sex.
There i said it.
No one becomes a she by putting on a dress. They are born that way

>>41230106
The words we use are predicated on the notion of sex determining gender. So your point was purely based on superficial semantics. It would be like saying, "murder is bad," which "murder" means to kill someone unjustly, so you're essentially just saying, "bad is bad."

>>41230196
Anon for the longest time people saw sex and gender as synonymous. To the average bloke on the side of the road sex and gender are the same. A woman is a female. A female is a woman. Some languages only have one word for it.

>>41230223
Culture changes; everything changes.

>>41230238
I accept your concession.

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>>41230238
>adhere to my retarded changes or else
No?

>>41228760
More like
>trans women are women based on new definition
>trans women are men based on old definition

>>41230243
Concession? The point you made was just an argumentum ad populum. Just because most believe something, doesn't mean it's true.
>>41230256
I never mentioned force. I simply said everything changes, because it does. The world would be unrecognisable to someone 2000 years ago.

>>41230284
Okay so since trannies are a small minority we shouldn’t care what they think gender means then?

>>41230238
If culture changed you wouldnt need to have this discussion
Youre trying to force culture to change, its saying no, and you’re screeching genocide

>>41228760
Sex gender n shiet is a mess that is binary-ish for most, but 1/1000 or 1/100 or more (especially if you count non-trad sexualities) have some sort of disorder of sex development and things get murkier there.
>E.g. PCOS, CAIS, CAH etc

>>41228646
why are the bongs so obsessed with trannies? can this guy just fuck off and talk to schizo religioncucks again already?

>>41228646
Dawkins coming in to save us from mass delusion yet again

>>41230288
How did you come to that conclusion?
>>41230292
>Youre trying to force culture to change, its saying no, and you’re screeching genocide
That's a nutpicking fallacy. Most transgender persons and advocates of transgenderism are calm, rational people. We want good faith discourse. The reason why a lot of bad faith actors are pro-transgenderism is because they're virtue signallers looking to satisfy their own ego. Progressivism is seen as the ideology of the intelligentsia, so these people (without knowing what they're talking about) subconsciously gravitate towards it, as a way of believing themselves to be intelligent, the same way these people subconsciously gravitate towards depression because of the preconceived notion that intelligent people are depressed. These people are midwits that care more about looking/feeling intelligent than actually being intelligent.

>>41230436
>How did you come to that conclusion?
Because a small speck of the American population is demanding the majority use their preferred words, their preferred way.

>>41230436
So society has rejected the change of stating men can become women. What now?

>>41230449
That's a nutpicking fallacy
>>41230483
Keep promoting it and trying to convince people to change their mind.

>>41230532
Ok well. Im jot convinced and honestly all this “you have to agree with us or you’re a Nazi” talk has convinced me im a Nazi so I’m inclined to fire up the gas chambers to end this annoyance

>>41230675
Let's not pretend you reasoned yourself into that position, rather than it being a reactionary feelings-based response.

>>41230532
>Keep promoting it and trying to convince people to change their mind.
You’re just proving them right. You’re a small speck of the population demanding the rest cater to you.

>>41229543
There are significantly worse mental illnesses that don't call for society to bend to appease their delusions. No schizo expects people to start acknowledging the voices they hear or shapes they see.
>if you call me what I will turn violent
chimping out won't win anyone over either and you type like someone that wouldn't even have the nuts, metaphorically or otherwise, to do jack shit in person, you'd sit in the corner and rant about how close you were to going ballistic on social media.

>>41230986
>if you call me what I am, I will turn violent**

>>41230997
>what i am
there is no such thing as "transman"
there is no anything that its reality is being called anything, as words are a purely subjective concept
there are also ways you can modify these words to make other people angry on purpose because of things you are trying to convey with them that make the other person offended for a quite reasonable reason
You are doing it right now, and now are trying to play coy.
> No schizo expects people to start acknowledging the voices they hear or shapes they see.
yea because schizos dont need getting riled up to start stabbing people, that's why the word is used as an insult for mentally unstable or aggressive people
>you type like someone that wouldn't even have the nuts, metaphorically or otherwise, to do jack shit in person, you'd sit in the corner and rant about how close you were to going ballistic on social media.
you type like a fat redditor that would "run" up to a hon, annoy her, then cry like a bitch when getting punched in the face
+that sentence doesn't even make any linguistic sense

>>41230986
>>41230997
tl dr you're a raped disingenuous reddit tard and your opinion is of the same worth as anything else that has ever came out of your mother's pussy

>>41230675
>Im jot convinced and honestly all this “you have to agree with us or you’re a Nazi” talk
I hate those people too. Every side has its crazies you want to shut the fuck up. There's a lot of pro-transgenderism people that oppose their rhetoric. It's just that these people aren't going to say "I'm pro transgenderism, and I think you're wrong." Most are just going to tell them directly. People often get criticised for adding "as a black man" or whatever group you're from before making a point.
>>41230885
I'm not making demands, just trying to convince people of universalities.

>>41228760
kek! wut??! lol!
That is no more science based as feeding plants Gatorade to get it to grow crops.

dawkins doesnt know the difference between gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia

>>41232463
He also doesn't understand that continental philosophy has nothing to do with the continent

>>41229259
Everything you need to know about Dawkins is in that sentence. He has no curiosity or patience for anything that has anything to do with human subjectivity, which is what being trans is mostly all about. No matter what the subject is he will find a way to reduce it entirely to biology and then treat you like a simpleton for thinking there is more to it than that. He's a vile man and probably a controlled opposition agent working for the Royal Society.

>>41232463
The mind is the body. Cope.

>>41233641
That's a very petty semantical point that didn't contribute or debunk what that guy said. Gender dysphoria is more related to social aspects, because people expect men and women to act in a certain way, while body dysmorphia is more about wanting a vagina or a dick and other biological things.

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>>41229036
What a dumb argument. Gamete function is the differentiator, not gamete size (for example, egg cells have mitochondrial DNA as one of their functions.

That being said, a lot of trannies (or intersex people for that matter have no gametes, opposite gametes, or both gamete types despite how they were assigned at birth lol.

Also why did all these early 2010s atheist types end up turning into christian-adjacent moronic chuds?

>>41229543
Why would you punch a man?
You might fucking die in the retaliation

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muh gametes

These kinds of anti-trans arguments are dumb anyway, because it's people making assumptions about us and our beliefs. Am I delusional? I'd have to believe something untrue for that. Do I think I'm of the female sex? If I did, what would be the point of the medical process? Blame the slogan I guess, but we're not literally women. Legal sex change isn't literal sex change either, hence the word legal. Like a legal fiction. So I'm neither delusional, nor espousing ideological beliefs. Unless you consider that people like me don't have a medical condition, and/or that the treatment is inappropriate. We often get told, just like in gay conversion, to change our thinking. But unfortunately it doesn't work that way, we know it doesn't work that way, and we know from long experience that transition is an effective treatment. I'm wired different, and that's okay.

Richard dawkins is kinda a shit scientist. His thesis is derivative and kitschy. The reason why he has to do talks at all is becouse he hasnt published anything since the 1980s. Reptiles, slugs/worms, mushrooms, and some fish do not follow this "universal truth". Honestly u cant even really call him an expert if he hasnt done anything to keep up with science in 40 years

>>41234568
trvthnuke

>>41234651
The atheist grift died down so now he is trying to stay relevant

>>41228646
>a brit goes insane because trannys
What is wrong with that island?

>>41228910
A handy way to remember if something is a slur is “has it been screamed at someone while murdering them for being that word?”
Tranny is a slur. Nigger is a slur. Faggot is a slur.
Cis is not a slur.

>>41234736
British men are very subservient to British women and British women got mad that British men are more attractive women than British women so the British men are attacking other British men.

>>41234744
Uh, actually, it has been.
That's what's funny.

Die, cis scum! <3!!!

>>41234744
I'm going to cry laughing if some troon ever murders and we actually get to hear the final verbal transaction

What about written sentiments? Imagine reading some anti-cis tirade after a trooner's rooty tooty shooty scenario. Would that count?

>>41228646
>>41229036
Based Dawkins

Another win for LGB

you'd think a scientist would understand how categories and models work, and the difference between them and base reality

>>41234531
Because it was never about science or knowledge for them, it was about inflating their ego

>>41230997
>when you call them something other allies and Queers themselves call them categorically because it's not an insult at all
oh no!
Imagine the terror!

>>41230308
>the number of limbs humans have is a mess that is four-ish for most

>>41228827
That is not how the human body works. Organs are not plug and play.

>>41230123
i was born with a dress on now what

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no
the world is getting re-enchanted
gay science faggot

>>41237813
men can't be born dummy only babies can

>>41237851
good for them
BtM

>>41228646
>X word should mean Y not Z!!!
It's literally just about power. The kind of people who think trannies are "objectively" women or not women are the same kind of people who get genuinely mad when you dislike something they like or like something they dislike. It's manchild behavior.

>>41228646
sorry :<

>>41229357
>Transgender persons don't think sex is non-binary
Wrong lol
>transgenderism needs alternative words for male and female.
No, trans women on hrt are female.

>>41229522
Wrong, being trans means that you changed your sex.

Reminder that leftists and trannies are indistinguishable from Muslims. And just like Muslims they are destined to be used and thrown away by Muslims once they get their way. ALL Muslims hate each other.

>>41238132
Trans women on HRT are not female. You're so high right now.
>>41238134
You're wrong. You're probably the same guy that posted that other post. Lay off the weed, okay?

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>>41238134
>this estrogen means your sex is different but uhhhhh not males with testosterone aromatization!!

Um
how are you female?
lol

>>41239045
Didn't that Lenin guy tell people to lie and cheat to get their way? Seems like a bad idea, because after you won, you're left with a society of liars and cheaters. Maybe that's why communism always fails.

>>41239045
It’s uncanny. Muslims threw aside and killed liberals once they had their way. It happened in Iran and it happened in Lebanon.

Why do libtards support a people who will get rid of them in the end?

>>41229457
They had the same freak out about using Ms instead of Mrs and Heterosexual as a term.

It turns out a chunk of the populace are just retarded reactionary knuckle draggers

i don’t listen to war crime apologist for war of terror and palestinian genocide.

>>41241478
Socialists view "the oppressed" on the same team. They see the world through the lens of the proletariat (the oppressed) and bourgeoisie (the oppressor), and neglect the nuances because ideological purity is like crack. Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the people" which explains how leftists operate, their politics has pretty much taken the role of religion.

>>41228646
Trannies play with their dick and shit, and I'm supposed to sympathize with that?

>>41228646
>Dawkins
>vs the entire 100 years worth of research showing that transwomen are women and transmen are men
He really is a dementia patient at this point

>>41241840
You're high. Go to bed.

>>41241859
I'm in bed and just finished rubbing my clit to an amazing orgasms
Wouldn't call my current state a high but def blissfull

>>41241869
You're probably lying, but, whatever.

stop tolerating faith

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>>41241903
Nah bro you should try it feels good

>>41241905
Faith is required in every facet of life. Being a nihilist, I believe we can't know true objectivity, so I have *faith* the reality I'm perceiving is true.

>>41241941
Cute. Very rapeable.

>>41241950
simple thing

>>41241959
I a handsome enby tho?

>>41241974
Don't know what an enby is.

>>41241982
Nonbinary, gramps

>>41241987
I don't believe in that kind of thing. I'm attracted to femininity, and the person in that image is feminine.

>>41242030
I'm like 5 years on T bud
Maybe the progesterone I've been guzzling makes me slightly more fem ig

>>41242045
I'm just calling what I see. The hair, facial expression, and the way you're putting your head are feminine, too.

>>41241700
>Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the people" which explains how leftists operate, their politics has pretty much taken the role of religion.
Grim.

real talk: I think trannies are super based and I get on really well with them. You all kinda know on some level, though don't ya?
I'm fine with it ether way. It's just, ya'know, wink wink, I wont say if you wont say.

>>41242477
Meds, now
>>41242105
I'm a handsome enby tho
Manly n shiet

>>41241869
Trannies can't go five fucking minutes without talking about porn or masturbation

>>41242503
Well T makes ya horny what else is new

>>41242485
If I want to fuck you, you aren't manly. You look cute.

>>41242531
As long as you call me handsome, treat me like one of the boys and we can drink beer and play vidya afterwards I'm down ig

>>41242485
you do kinda know on some level tho day ya? (^;

>>41242653
That the binary isn't real be it socially or on a scientific level? Yeah sure that's why I'm enby

>>41242714
yeah, but you all kinda know tho don'tcha?
Otherwise you wouldn't have all these extra words. You'd just be a girl.

>>41242722
Girl? Wdym I'm enby