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>>41238470Only a moid would read this as agp. Leave women alone, thanks
>>41238486Men really ruin everything with their fetish, even pretty clothes
>>41238564the fact that women don't consciously think about it in terms of agp doesnt mean they are not agp. a tranny posting exact same things would instantly be assumed to be agp and its an erroneous double standard.
A couple gems from rupi kaur.
>>41238564>>41238568
>>41238470Most of these aren't agp they're either jokes or other fetishesAnd the ones that do seem agp are a million times more understandable than any defective moid sexuality - the weight of sexism applied to women is obviously going to occasionally manifest sexually
>>41238591this is just female innocence bias>cissy posts agpsloplook how cute, she's just joking, she's just being a girly girl, it's not her fault>tranny posts agpslophe's a preverted man, he definitely sees women as sexual objects
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOl08OsiE7S/?hl=en
>>41238591>the weight of sexismexplain this
>>41238630idk if women posting suggestive stuff on instagram is inherently agp, this one is up to debate. hereby i summon all of the pseudointellectual blanchardfags of this board who are ready to debate this.
>>41238632It's not a serious statement, it's a complaint/joke/vent about how much men suck
>>41238607male and female socialization are real. cope.
>>41238643so it's only serious if posted by a tranny?
>>41238651It has different motivations. From a female, it's born from the real daily experience of harassment and constant boundary-crossing by males. From a male, it comes from the fetishised idea of femaleness and womanhood and disguises itself as the female version.
>my feminine and chilbearing hips are so distracting even i can't stop looking at them>my tits are so beautiful, how i love to be a woman>my facial expressions while masturbating are soft, cum triggering, gorgeous like a hentai girlImagine arguing that this is somehow not AGP
>>41238673i don't disagree. in fact, i think that the female daily experience you described is something that makes you less AGP if you go thru this. The fact that some women are still AGP and probably more of them would be if they didn't go through this experience and the fact that only a minority of males have AGP even though they don't have to go thru this only prove that AGP is an inherent characteristic of female sexuality.
>>41238642skateboarding in short skirt and pulling up the shorts up the ass for the trick
>>41238578Women just existing and think they look good or wanting pretty clothes ain't nothing compared to your perversions
>>41238588A woman :)>>41238591Truth. I hate men.
>>41238651Males have different motives so its different, women don't do it for sexual reasons
>>41238701Its impossible for a cis women to be agp
>>41238701Hmmmmmm I'm gonna disagree. I don't think it's innate biological female sexuality, I think that the idea of womanhood that millenia of sexist domination has created is just misogynistic and sexualised. AGP in women is the result of internalising society's misogynistic norms, and authentic female sexuality turns away from that. The most authentic and actualised women I know all have very mild and non-fetish-containing sexualities
>>41238728ummm... no? you only assume this bc i'm a tranny, go to your female-only space to rant about me if you can't stand me that muchor if you are not a female idk what makes you think that you know things
>>41238632Holy shit, are you autistic?
>>41238763Stop trying to force feed your agp fetish to women
>>41238564i was thinking “only a moid would write this”, personally
>>41238744now how are you gonna prove this? specifically the part that assumes that trannies have the exact same sexual motives as men?>>41238751and yet>>41238757>fetish-containingpure agp is not fetish-containing. by definition, it is being attracted to oneself as a female, so it's more of a sexual orientation than a fetish. the fact that a lot of agps develop agp-typical kinks like sissification humiliation mef ect is a completely different matter. female arousal however is more non-specific and not fixated on a single specific erotic target, straight women do get aroused by looking at lesbian porn (chivers 2004) so it's pretty self-explanatory that female arousal is at least partially more interested in oneself than male arousal. now explain how being attracted to oneself as female is inherently misogynistic and sexist>>41238765yes, i have this neurodevelopmental thing that makes me think outside of established social norms (like these about female innocence) while reading people, problem?
>>41238757You're cisf right? How do you think women's sexuality would manifest if misogynistic social norms never existed? What does authentic female sexuality look like? And how do you know it wouldn't eventually turn back into this?
>>41238588The issue with men pretending to be women on the internet is that they are extremely lazy when they do so.Hopefully this new /tttt/ meme will stick around for enough time that some of them won't have to point out that they are women anymore (because they'll learn how women actually act).>>41238632>Every time there is a costume party or Halloween, women try to convince their men to let them dress in the sluttiest costumes they can find.https://youtube.com/shorts/_ro_8CsLDuAQuoting this short, "I don't want to make my friends uncomfortable because they don't wanna look at you sexually". Literally the reason why everyone hates AGPs lmao.
also, when i made this post i didn't expect to summon all the /clg/ terfs of this board and now having to argue with them. things didn't go as planned, i'm sorry
>>41238833It's focused on actually achieving female pleasure rather than fulfilling male fantasies by way of titilation and acting out stereotypes
>>41238931>female sexuality is about female sexuality and not about male sexualitythis literally doesnt answer anything
>>41238828>so it's more of a sexual orientation than a fetishIts a male only fetish. Men also get vaginoplasty cause they get turned on from seeing themselves as trans men. Never heard of women getting penis for funsies. This is male only behavior
>>41238841Yet I am a woman and you pretend that I am not. Go hang with the little poonies or write a misogynistic posts or whatever it is that you love doing
>>41238844>also, when i made this post i didn't expect to summon all the /clg/ terfsIm not a terf but it does not mean that I approve all the shit you do. Just let women exists without looking at everything they do with horny glasses
>>41238955>Its a male only fetish.no, it's more common in females (bailey, hsu 2022)>Men also get vaginoplasty cause they get turned on from seeing themselves as trans men. Never heard of women getting penis for funsies.getting a neopussy is way less problematic than getting a neophallus, you can get a vaginoplasty as a man without anyone finding one but with a phalloplasty everyone is gonna see the bulge. also, are you aware how many cisf futa fetishists are out there? women fantasizing about being futas is a relatively common thing actually, i would assume than way more common than men fantasizing about being poons
>>41238470>Cis woman agpTroons are truly deranged. The tranny camps can’t come soon enough
>>41238986>Just let women exists without looking at everything they do with horny glassespersonally i dont, acknowledging that women sometimes do things that would be classified as agp if a tranny did them is not looking at women with horny glasses.
>>41239012idk what you mean, whether cis woman agp exists or not is basically one of the frist things that comes up when you discuss agp
>>41238651Yes, trannies are notoriously humorless
>>41238701>only a minority of males have AGPThis wrong. Only a minority have agp + dysphoria.
>>41238931How do you know fulfilling male fantasies doesn't achieve female pleasure?
>>41239022Women have a genuine physical attraction to men tho taking into account upper body strength/height and leannesshttps://news.griffith.edu.au/2017/12/13/upper-body-strength-key-factor-in-mens-bodily-attractiveness/#:~:text=13%20December%202017,they%20how%20attractive%20they%20were.
>>41239036idk, the bailey 2022 study that i've already mentioned says otherwise, but idk, maybe men are not even realizing that they actually fantasize bout being female. but if this is correct, we could also assume that maybe women are not even realizing that they actually take sexual pleasure from their own femininity.>>41239037this one is tricky but it's pretty obvious how she would answer this>>41239048ok and? how does that imply that cis women do or dont experience at least some autosexuality?
>>41238969>Yet I am a woman>>41238735>A woman :)Who asked?Nigga you literally attention whore by spamming the same two or three barebone feminist arguments (of which some contraddict each other), and saying how much of a cis woman you are.You are just a failmale, anon, in the hopes someone clueless as to what you are will fall for the bait.>Go hang with the little poonies or write a misogynistic posts or whatever it is that you love doingI was baiting femreppers before hand. I troll women on here, just so you know. Now pooners aren't interesting anymore. I go around on /lgbt/ finding attentionwhores like (You) to grab a (You) or two from.
>>41239094i love you conspiratoranon
>>41239090>this one is tricky but it's pretty obvious how she would answer thisI know but I wanted her to try to prove it and realize she can't. Then I would say women aren't stupid, they wouldn't have sex if they weren't getting pleasure from it
>>41239090> how does that imply that cis women do or dont experience at least some autosexuality?The burden of proof is on you to prove they have it. Straight Women have no reason to be attracted to big hips/tits and ass biologically. Only deranged troons coping with agp could believe this
https://youtu.be/fL-1kHxsavI>They dress like whores for themselves, not for men to gawk at them!Wait...
>>41238995>cisf futa fetishists are out thereNot really a thing vs men getting actual fucking surgery. Cis women could tuck their penis if having it would be so hot to them
>>41239094I know you wrote all that with one hand
>>41239133>Straight Women have no reason to be attracted to big hips/tits and ass biologicallyevolutionary anthropology can't explain every innate aspect of human nature, you should know that if you know such smart words as "burden of proof". by your logic, lesbian women also have no reason to be attracted to feminine features, but they somehow are. now, please explain straight women being aroused by lesbian porn to the same extent as by straight porn, as proven in chivers' 2004 study.
>>41239133>its on you to prove that women experience autosexuality. what possible evolutionary purpose would this even serve? how outlandish.>i am also taking it for granted that some men experience opposite sex autosexuality. it just makes perfect sense.
>>41239195THIS
>>41239107Love you too <3.>>41239176>Getting horny from readingImpossible, I am not a woman.
>>41239177> lesbian women also have no reason to be attracted to feminine featuresThey have straight male brains> please explain straight women being aroused by lesbian pornBonobos have lesbian relationship and are our closest relative along with chimps. It’s a social thing that doesn’t mean they are attracted to wide breedable hips like a male would be Still waiting on the proof they are ago beyond conjecture from pornbrained trannies who want to convince themselves cis women are just like them
im the straightest woman alive and im not attracted to other women in any capacity. probably because im dysphoric and aap but lets not talk about that right now
>>41239094>I was baiting femreppers before handso that was you faggot
>>41239221i dont think that every single woman is autosexual (aka agp), obviously. but a noticeable minority seems to be at least somehow agp. obviously, i'm gonna quote the bailey 2022 study bc i find it to be a funny self-dunk by bailey. basically they gave blanchards core agp scale questionnaires to cis women and they found out that it was only about 50% of women participating who answered "no" to every single question. if i can remember, it was something around 15% of women who answered "yes" to at least 5 of 8 questions. according to blanchard, 5 is the average score of an agp tranny. sure, agp obviously is not a universal female trait, but its lowkey common, more common than among amabs.people masturbating in front of mirrors and enjoying their own bodies is obviously a thing nona
>>41238470AGP is beautiful
>>41239352Males forcing women to accept their fetish as a normal part of female sexuality is not working. Try to be normal keep your fetish down.
>>41239491>keep your fetish downi mean, yeah, i agree, its generally better to keep your sexual quirks to yourself if you want to participate in society
>>41239177Women are gynephilic but thats something that agp trannies cannot accept. Women get turned on by other women, not thinking of themselves as "women"
>>41239503if blanchard says that male's heterosexuality can flip onto himself, then why female's homosexuality cant flip onto herself? to me it even seems more likely bc in case of homosexual women the self is already feminine so it already could satisfy homosexual attraction, but a straight male attracted to himself as a woman requires more mental gymnastics
>>41238564Why do you care you fucking retard? We can do whatever we want, were not hurting anyone
>>41239533Yes you are. Stop trying to force women to be part of your fetish
>>41239522Males and females are very different and are not mirrors of each other
>>41239522>then why female's homosexuality cant flip onto herself?it can and does. sexual orientationz if afabs workbway different than in amabs. extremely far from mirror image lie poisoning understanding of sexuality (mostly for "progressives" but far from only)
>>41238564Who do you think wrote it?>>41238810exactly
>>41238841>piclmao that is impressive work
are there still any retards willing to argue about cis agp with me? or is it just that tno one is able to counter my bailey study argument? i'm bored and also bump
>>41241404You have no proof but your own moid words. You don't listen to females but talk over them like a typical man
>>41241418lmao i won't trust random people online claiming to be females over actual studies
>>41238470you are agp if you have fantasies about being femalecis women cannot be agp because there is nothing to fantasize about. they are already femalethey are merely enjoying their reality
>>41241424>Actual studiesOne loser study with few participants
>>41241449no, agp is defined as attraction to oneself as female.>they are merely enjoying their realityyeah this counts as agp
>>41241459we don't have anything more reliable for now, still better evidence that anything else you can find
>>41241469Agp is only talking about trannies. Notice there’s no term for men attracted to themselves as men
>>41241510have you really never heard of AAP?
>>41241515Only females can have aap
>>41241525bc what? this is a double standard.
>>41241535It only applies to trannies. Notice how only 2% of cis women are lesbians yet the percantage is much much higher for troons. We know you’re straight men skin walking women why even try to hide it
>>41241553>Notice how only 2% of cis women are lesbians yet the percantage is much much higher for troons. We know you’re straight men skin walking women why even try to hide itnow, tell me how this implies that autosexual cis people shouldn't be labeled as AGP/AAP?
>>41241571Argue with the person who made the term not me
some of u just don’t like funif u acc look like a woman just a little bit of agp is basedif u don’t look like a woman agp is really cringe and gross
>>41241579you agree with this person and i don't bc i think its a double standard, you can't just define a condition by saying that only males can have it and ignore all the female cases.
>>41241581yea basically this. it's always le halo effect after all.
>>41241592what’s halo effect
>>41241599people who look good are assumed to have other positive traitspeople who look bad are assumed to have other negative traits
>>41241613you can even try reading picrel in your head and the good looking guy will automatically get a better sounding voice than the bad looking guy, it's that much embedded into our psychology
>>41241588You are using the term they invented specifically for trannies. You may as well throw it out if you’re gonna twist the meaning to apply to real women so you can validate your kink
>>41241613the incel drawing :o
>>41241653i'm not twisting the meaning, i'm literally only throwing out the word "male" from the original blanchard's definition.
>>41241659i mean yeah, incels are right about the lookism thing
>>41241669That’s changing the meaning still and it assumes things like narcissism have no overlap with agp which could make a small amount of women come off as agp but the source is different
>>41241726yes, that's changing the definition by removing a fallacious double standard. >things like narcissismagp correlating with narcissism is also an urban legend, have you even ever met a jeep? they are shy and self-hating and trying to cope, they don't possess the unapologetic confidence of a narcissit>the source is differentno one really knows what the source of agp even is, by the same logic you could assume that autism in males must have a different source than autism in females. even if it was true, that doesn't have to necessarily imply that boy autism and girl autism are different conditions.
>>41241673i think incels should try doing skincare and exfoliating and shaving and getting a haircut and getting into fashion
>>41241789>that's changing the definition by removing a fallacious double standard.It’s not a double standard though it was meant to describe males who do it from the start. Just like males loving themselves as male doesn’t need a term because aap only applies to the deviation i.e femalesAnd most trannies are narcissist obsessed with their appearance. They are never trying to pass as ugly women. Narcissist having high confidence is a myth it’s actually extremely low and they tend to lash out when confronted. Cluster b disorders are extremely common in the trans population I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the source of much of it
oh my god stop arguing about trannies u 2 have been going at it for like 20 minutes talking about double standards and hippocracy shut the hell up u r not plato lil bro>Cluster b disorders are extremely common in the trans populationyes as if this wasn’t already known?mfw people who have been through horribly tragic things end up coping maladaptively: 0_0
>>41241880>it was meant to describe males sure, i understand what blanchard's intentions were, but that doesn't disprove the existence of AGP females>only applies to the deviationit's like assuming that you can't call man's gynecomastia "boobs". ofc, the word gynecomastia is a word that describes a deviation and can't be used for females, but you can use all the terms used to describe female breasts to also describe male breasts. in case of AGP, we don't really have any other wourd to describe potential analogous arousal patterns in females, so it would be more reasonable to just call it AGP, or "female AGP" if you want to be precise.also, obsession with appearance is pretty much expected from both women and trans ppl. no one is trying to pass as ugly, most of the things you do pass also make you prettier. gaining weight might be an exception, but a lot of trannies actually do that to pass better, ever noticed how trannies are way less concerned about their body mass than cissies?about narcissism, idk, you might be right, i don't know enough about npd to defend this point, but i think you are wrong about potential cis agp women not being narcissistic, but we don't really have any data that would confirm or deny this.
>>41241925>stop arguingno, i like arguing about agp online
>>41241991ok sorry hon
>>41238470https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/s/5va9nS7JyYSorry to interrupt (You) gentlemen, i'm just responding to OP
>>41239688>Stop trying to force women to be part of your fetishI just wanna wear women's clothes and imagine I'm a woman. How am I forcing women to dp anything ?
>>41242085terfies are always going to find a reason to hate you, there's no point in trying to conform
>>41242103All leftists do the same
>>41242072i've read this thing, funny how even there is trying to say that women just cannot be AGP only bc they're female. Cis women really don't want to have anything with common with trannies and i don't blame them
>>41242072TOTALLY NOT AGP, are you retarded to think otherwhise? they are FEMALES, they just can't be AGP, AGP is for trannies
>>41242154Auto= selfGynos= womanPhila= love
>>41241469>The term autogynephilia (auto for self, gyne for female, philia for desire, often shortened AGP) refers to a psychological condition in which a man (usually heterosexual) derives sexual or even "romantic" pleasure from the fantasy of being female. The term was coined by psychologist Ray Blanchard after working with and studying many transsexual patients.
>>41242085By insisting that women share your agp fetish
>>41245867totally understandable that women don"t want to be compared to trannies with their sexuality, i know that waking up as a tranny is one of your worst nightmares, but yeah, some cis women are AGP too both papers and examples of their behaviour prove this, but of you're a cis woman who isn't that's also fine
