>>41257549
no.

>>41257565
State your reasoning

imo, you don’t just go from not trans to trans upon starting hrt, you were trans all along. if you don’t have any plans to get on hrt though…

>>41257549
Anyone can be a trans woman

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>>41257549
Yeah. Will be very difficult to pass doe

>>41257575
no.

You can have gender dysphoria just the same as the people that go on HRT, but reppers and trannies are two pretty different populations

>>41257549
Yes, if you're naturally feminine low test/high estrogen without HRT. The sort of feminine guy who would get mistaken for a girl before coming out as trans. If this doesn't describe you, then no.

>>41257725
What if a trans person who socially transitions without HRT, that wouldnt make them a repper bc they aren't repressing anything.

>>41257756
would be pretty weird and stupid as well to socially transition without hrt as it would be incredibly difficult to pass. I don't see a scenario in which this would ever happen as if the environment is supportive enough to socially transition then surely getting on hrt would be even more trivial than it already is

>>41257756
It would make them a gross hon with a male sex drive. If you're going to socially troon out you have a moral responsibility to get on HRT unless you have a specific diagnosed medical reason for not doing so.
Also if you are trans (aka. have gender dysphoria) I genuinely don't understand why you wouldn't want to get on HRT considering that you're willing to troon out socially.

>>41257549
>can you transition without the meds that make your body transition
gee i dont know

>>41257838
For me, when I was on HRT, the spiro caused severe side effects that made me stop. Plus, I live at home with parents that don't like medical transition and it doesnt make me feel safe to resume unless they change their minds (I have a full time job).

>>41257841
Transition is by no means a medical thing, and while it is harder to pass, it's not impossible either.

>>41257744
a couple weekends ago i ran into a guy that does TRT and he was telling me his levels for both T and E were around 150 range before he got on TRT and that was really interesting to me.
that his e levels were so high for a dude.

>>41257867
>parents that don't like medical transition
>(I have a full time job).
jesus christ that's grim

>>41257867
Your parents don't like your medical transition, but they're okay with you crossdressing? That sounds like they just don't like the idea of you being a tranny at all and are wishing you'll get over it.
If you have a full time job don't you think you should be stable and independent enough to make those kinds of decisions for yourself anyway?

It sucks that spiro didn't work for you, maybe you could think of another anti-androgen or maybe even do mono? In the future if you get an orchi/vaginoplasty you won't need anti-androgens either, but I understand that's a bigger decision you might not want to jump into immediately.
>>41257890
Transition has many aspects to it that are gatekept by medicine and medical procedures, and those things at least for me are a lot more consequential than stuff like what people call me or what clothes I wear.

>>41257890
>Transition is by no means a medical thing
huh? without actually transitioning, youre no different from a man in a dress. you can shave, learn makeup, etc. but thats not real transition

>>41257756
>>41257549
ur just a nonbiney tranny anon. whatever

>>41257948
They don't really understand transgender people, so they aren't accepting (my dad doesnt like it, but he's more accepting, whereas my mom doesnt accept it or like it). I was gonna start therapy so hopefully when they see im still trans afterwards, they wont think it's a phase or whatever.

I also agree medicine shouldnt be gatekept, and patients/doctors should be able to communicate without politicians following them in.

>>41258031
When a tranny does good makeup, wear clothes that work with their body, have a feminine haircut that works with their face, etc. does that still not make them a woman? At what point is there a difference?

>>41258357
I am genderfluid, but I still align myself closer to womanhood than I do ever being a man, so I consider myself a woman.

>>41257907
Welcome to America homie

>>41258451
>At what point is there a difference?
when you take hormones

>>41257549
Transgender is no longer a word in the US medical association or in laws.
So that ends that.
If you want to be feminine you can, with or with out drugs, surgery, and ID change.

>>41258451
>At what point is there a difference?
Breast growth, skin texture, fat distribution, amount of muscle, sex drive and other mental changes, facial and body hair growth to name a few

>>41258510
Not until society wakes up and stops listening to Donald Trump and his sicophants.

>>41258497
>>41258626
True, but certain women don't have breasts, curves can be developed by exercise routines, muscle can be reduced, and electrolysis can all acheive those. Hell, one can get breast augmentation without HRT.

Trans ppl can and should still access HRT if they wish to take it.

>>41258673
>certain women don't have breasts
Yeah and some women are tall, and have wide shoulders, and have deeper voices etc etc. But come on now, having breasts helps you pass, even if it isn't necessary.
>one can get breast augmentation without HRT
And one can do anal without using lubricant, it's just not a very smart option when there is a better alternative to get started readily available.
>curves can be developed by exercise routines
You can do exercises to help with curves, but HRT helps with fat distribution in a way that helps develop curves in a way that only exercise won't.
>muscle can be reduced
Yes, but not to a female level.
>electrolysis can all acheive those
Sure, but electrolysis is also a pretty slow and painful hair removal method. It will not help you get the so called estrogen skin
I didn't even mention hair loss, if you don't get on HRT you will still need to get on some other antiandrogen OR keep taking rogaine if you don't want to have hair loss. In other words, you will end up either taking some kind of drugs anyway or hiding your bald head behind wigs.

This just feels like a silly point to argue. Like okay granted maybe you can succesfully transition without HRT, but it's obviously doing to be much more difficult.
Your body will also further masculinize as long as you're not on HRT, even beyond when your bones fuse.

the absolute state of /lgbt/
*baka*

>>41257549
no. wanting to transition and actually doing it are materially different states of existence. estrogen is real and does real things to your body and mind.
therefore, without hormones we are not the same thing. this hypothetical person "wants" to be trans, whereas i actually am.

>>41258828
Otherwise true, but the hypothetical person usually wants to be the opposite sex not trans

>>41258673
>True, but certain women don't have breasts, curves can be developed by exercise routines, muscle can be reduced, and electrolysis can all acheive those. Hell, one can get breast augmentation without HRT.
reducing hrt's effects to aesthetics is dangerous propaganda.

>>41258841
you're splitting hairs. we can't be the opposite sex, we are trans.

>>41258673
Social exceptince of children working was ok in the past. Today you need to be 18 to work.
We are not going back to old laws, it doesn't happen.
:(

>>41257549
In order to be trans you need to have gender dysphoria. Hormones are just a natural next step.

>>41258841
Sounds to me like to many chicks with dicks, and not enough man clams

>>41258853
Yeah we're obviously trans, but you usually wish to be the opposite sex, you don't necessarily wish to be trans.
When I used to rep I specifically wanted to be a normal girl and I didn't want to be a tranny. I feared I would end up being a non-passoid tranny, instead of the normal girl I wanted to be. It is an important difference.
>>41258950
Most trans communities irl are mostly afabs.

>>41258992
> it's an important difference
hrt makes you trans, not a literal girl. you should be realistic about medication before taking it.

>>41259192
Yeah?
You wish to be a regular girl, but you're aware that you can realistically only ever be a tranny. Whether or not that is something you'll be happy with or are able to make work is a different question.

>>41258844
I'm not doing that at all, I took HRT and it worked on me, so I'm not diminishing its effects. I still ask because of things out of my control.

>>41258872
Not for everyone, but certainly for many people HRT is the next natural step.

>>41257575
No t. transmed

>>41257549
literally no. that's faketrans you wouldn't squander your opportunity to be happier if you were actually trans. its that fucking simple and men can't be lesbians either. i mean this in good faith