i hate to be akin to an uncle tom but like how do you tell tens of millions of women who enjoys sports that their concerns are unfounded?any tranny who went though male puberty has a quantifiable advantage in muscle and bone density, lung capacity, and endurance.why is it transphobic to point that out? why didnt we conceed even slightly on this?why is it so hard for sportshons to enjoy a sport intramurally or casually? why do they need the trophies?
You ignore every study done on the subject.You ignore that the argument even in your baseless view should be on when and what transpeople can join rather than if they should be allowed at all.You being a pickme is babytrans a f
>>41275607im not a pickme. i wish it didnt matter to them, but it does.
>>41275618>I'm not a pickmeYou act like one>they careThey don't They care about it as much as they did about DnD being satanic or pokemon being gambling.If they'd care about sports they'd ban dancing for minors, contact sports for teens, institute own leagues for people left and right due to various tiny abnormalities that give them a leg up, fix the abyssmal funding of female sports, etc.They don't careYou shouldn't care
The whole sports debate is just an excuse for assholes to be sexist in exciting new ways. The exact same people expressing "concerns" for cis women athletes were the same assholes calling every woman athlete an ugly dyke 20 years ago. They literally don't actually give a shit and therefore are just concern trolling. Their opinions and input are trash and should be ignored.
>>41275600Women's sports are not about biological advantage.They are about women who wanted to play sports but were either literally forbidden from participating (remember, this was a world that barred women from voting) or were effectively shut out of participating because male players were more desirable (not simply for physical reasons, but also social prejudices against women). They are about women creating a space to participate in sport because they had been refused other opportunities.And now transwomen are being shut out of participating in many sports. Our participation rates are even worse than ciswomen, because we face the double stigma of being women and sports being coded as male, and of being trans and accused of not being "real women".We point to the foundational principle of women's sports, of creating a space for a marginalized population to participate in sports and defying social prejudices against women's freedom to have stereotypically "male" interests, and instead of a hand up we receive a slap down. It's depressing how often those who are oppressed will turn to become oppressors when confronted with a group that is even lower on the social hierarchy than them.
>>41275600touch down hoe.
>>41275618nothing you said aligns with any of the studies done on this subject lol. your point of view is informed by aesthetics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQIf5fS8xw
>>41275819hrt doesnt reduce bone density or lung capacity. muscle mass is a mile varies thing. im trans and active and barely lost any muscle mass even when i started hrt at like 22 bmi.
depends on the sport but i think there should be restrictions to varying degrees. amateur sports leagues shouldn’t be able to expose and remove a sufficiently fishy tranny. we are visitors to femininity, and to be accepted we must make certain concessions and sacrifices.
>>41275909>hrt doesnt reduce bone densityIt does, especially with retarded wpath eunuchdosing>lung capacityDependent on overall body size and what you do.
>>41275909your first point is false and the second point is irrelevant because physical abnormalities are literally what sports have always been about in the first place. do you think Michael Phelps earned two billion golds in swimming because he was normal? because he was operating on a level playing field with the other male swimmers?
>>41277228michel phelps has a genetic aberration that should have disqualified him from sports. his muscles did not produce lactic acid at any rate similar to a normal human. mutants and aberrants dont belong in sports. there is no level playing when someones default is that much different.
all trans women are men and belong with other males sociallywe should just start shaving their heads until they comply
>>41275600The proper concession/compromise is:Youngshits who did not experience male puberty or who had it halted early (verified with medical records) AND are not a demonstrably statistical outlier in terms of strength, height, weight, or speed should be allowed to compete with cis women.Those who did go through male puberty should NOT be allowed to compete, UNLESS they can demonstrate with actual data that they are not a statistical outlier in terms of height, weight, strength, or speed. (Through a comprehensive statistical evaluation.)Trannies should be required to provide medical documentation and submit to testing to determine eligibility.You need agreed upon rules for sports to function, it's that simple. Compromise IS possible but activists on both sides keep it from happening to suit their own interests.
>>41275909Hrt reduces available hemoglobin which is the chief determinant of how much oxygen your muscles can get, NOT lung capacity. I am not sure how HRT affects lung capacity. It might not change the chest cavity size but it probably makes the lungs weaker somehow.
>>41277277wow so its almost like it should be up to the sports governing bodies to determine trans eligibility for participation which is what it had been
>>41277249ok so this is a completely different conversation then about which most people would definitely disagree with youabberations and genetic freaks are what MAKE sports. that's literally what they're about. that was the whole point of my post.
>>41277326This post is spam and should be reported as such, word for word copy of this users posts in multiple threads. Everyone should do their part to report spam.
>>41277326out of true, genuine, earnest curiosity, what is the point of a post like this? the way you have written it is so clearly hyperbolic that it is tantamount to satire; no-one is taking it seriously, i would think, on either side of the argument. i see things like this all the time and it really confuses me and i want to understandpardon my autism please i'm really asking
>>41277374darn i should have refreshed the thread before postingi guess that answers my question anyways
>>41277326Trans people should have special trans toilets too!(little bucket out back)
>>41277293>it probably does thisand youre hedging fairness on "probably"?
>>41275600sports are not important when trans people can live in normal society somewhat securely we can have that conversation but right now it does not fucking matter lol
>>41279455glownigger fed
>>41275600>any tranny who went though male puberty has a quantifiable advantage in muscle and bone density, lung capacity, and endurance.Therefore they must be prevented from even starting puberty
>>41275600Women's sports are already participation trophy contests. Competitive integrity isn't being damaged because they were never competitive anyway, except in sports where female anatomy is superior which mtfs would be disadvantaged in.People say 'oh well women's sports give scholarships to women' the problem is giving athletes tons of money to throw balls and in general uni being so expensive that scholarships are meaningful, not trannies, retards Also even if you think women's sports do matter this is a great argument to ensure youngshits happen
>>41275600Ngl I'm kind of on board with this one. There comes a time when you've been on HRT for long enough that the differences in muscle mass and power even out with cis women, but a lot of the trans gals competing in women's sports haven't reached that threshold yetThat said, were fighting for our most basic rights right now and this is NOT the conversation we need to be focused on right now. Playing respectability politics gets you nowhere, just ask the log cabin gays.
>>41275600I think you are wrong.There is absolutely NO biological advantage that males have over females.There is zero evidence to suggest this.
>>41280182>That said, were fighting for our most basic rights right nowYou don't deserve them.
>>41280293We'll get them whether you like it or not :)
