>was on puberty blockers and thought I was a troon as a teen>now 21, didnt troon out and no dysphoriaIf i had listened to you fags I'd have have trooned out because "it wont go away". It gets better underage lurkers.
then why are you still here
as part of transgender hormone therapy, or to perform chemical castration of violent sex offenders.really makes me think
hello underage lurkers, counter to what OP is saying, sometimes it doesn't. But seriously, still wait til you're like at least seventeen.>t. mtf who had dysphoria, repped so hard I psyoped myself into forgetting about it, and then remembered it again when I was 19 :/
>>41281915Do you look like a normal guy?
>>41281915Lots of people will tell you you're fake trans though. The fact is that you guys always scream you're not fake you're heckin valid and just like everyone else. Very few people are actually genuinely trans and for them it won't go away.
>>41281922Force of habit
>>41281915>was on puberty blockers and thought I was a troon as a teen>now 21, didnt troon out and no dysphoriaSo it worked? Congrats. Happy for you. I wish everyone was on blockers, like you had the chance to be
>>41281946Mostly, I only recently developed facial hair and I have a much better hairline than my brother
>>41281915>it was just a phase for me and I ruined my life because I was really dumb>it's your fault btwlol, lmao, get owned poser
>>41282026>ruined my lifeProjecting
>>41281961That's not how puberty works you stupid shit.
>>41282026Why are shemales so hateful towards people they fail to groom?
>>41282036that being how puberty blockers work is the basis for their adoption as an alternative to HRTif they don't work that way and you do have permanent harm from attempting to transition then the solution isn't no care for minors it's returning to giving HRT to minors and skipping the puberty blocker step because your outcome is still less harmful than suicides caused by non-intervention
>>41281954holy cope batman
>>41281915Okay so you tried some medicine to treat something it seemed you had, and then you stopped using it? Good for you I guess why is this my fault now?
>>41282048>shemaleprojecting
>>41282054Puberty isn't something you can pause. Once it's passed it's passed.
>>41282067Its not ur fault specifically but a lot of u tell everybody transitioning is the only solution lmao
>>41282069Not everyone who hates your narcissistic horseshit is secretly one of you, "Lilith".
>>41282084Troons are allergic to responsibility. It's why so many of them are uneployable.
>>41282076okay, so we start giving minors HRT because that causes less harm than non-intervention at puberty for trans kids and puberty blockers cause harm as a compromise>>41282088I'm a cis gay man with a boyfriend
>>41282102if puberty blockers have failed as a compromise that means no compromise, minors get HRT because it's the only thing that stops teen trans suicideslisten up chuddies and listen goodpuberty blockers are YOUR SOLUTIONyou have just moved the goal posts after the fact
>>41281915so whatyou just go through puberty later>"my doctor took the safe option looking out for my health and now all trannies must die"
>>41282122Never said that retard
>>41282084I think it's something every person should decide for themselvesIt seems like hormones are the simplest and most effective ways of dealing with dysphoria and it helps alot of people. Why are you surprised it's something people advocate for most loudly?
>>41282117like the specific idea that drove the adoption of puberty blockers is the idea that ALL trans kids will change their minds as adultsthe studied rates of continuation from puberty blockers to HRT shows that a supermajority transitions and it's very rare outliers that do not
>>41282128well thats how it feels, why else are you bitching and whining here
>>41282137>that's how it feelsBecause you're retarded and mad someone isnt saying you gotta transition
>>41282142tranny minors should go on puberty blockers.
>>41282142yeah funny thing there you started this thread specifically to convince underage posters that they shouldn't transition on the basis that they definitely wont experience regret later because you and only you didn't so naturally that applies to everyone else tooI dont really have a point here I just want you to realize your hypocrisy
It doesn't get better if you actually have dysphoria, you were just confused and took bad and uninformed decisions.
>>41282195/thread
>>41282187Just saying you don't always have to isn't saying don't
>>41282195>>41282196>no true scotsman
>>41282197you're advocating against starting puberty blockers when puberty blockers are the only thing that preserved your freedom of choice is the thingand yeah that kinda is your position no matter how much you attempt to weasel word your way out of it
>>41282197saying "it gets better" and then going into how you werent actually a tranny and this board is LE EVIL FUCK YOU GUYS!!!! is an interesting way to do that>>41282211this basically
>>41282211Never said don't take blockers lol
>>41282238I like how you intentionally misread my posts to get mad at
>>41282239You don't need pants for the victory dance'Cause Baboon's better than WeaselI.R. Baboon, big star of cartoonI AM WEASEL!!!I.R. Baboon reigns king in his mindHe's just as good as the Weasely kindBut 'round ev'ry corner he's likely to findI AM WEASEL!I AM WEASEL!!I AM WEASEL!!!!!
>>41282252Tag 1(ONE) post where I said don't take blockersAll I said was that it didn't need to always end up in transition you dumb nigger, Spiro has clearly rotted your brain
>>41282256okay so you dont want to be a man, you just dont want to be a girl either?that's transhumanist even if it's not transgender
>>41282267You are retarded.
>>41282267just wanna state this poster isnt me, weasel guyheavy nta
>>41282285You're retarded too.
>>41282297atleast im not a weasely piece of shit>duhh i never TECHNICALLY said puberty blockers were bad, i just titled my post "fuck you">and came here to complain about the puberty blockers>and then said "That's not how puberty works you stupid shit." to someone who defended themyou see how this looks right?
>>41282314I didn't even say that last one. You're retarded, again
>>41281915Notice how there is round the clock spamming of the exact same detransition thread with this person saying they went on anti psychotics and fucked a girl and now they're straight? Why do neurotic reppers camp out here and do this.OP please fuck off whatever you are
>>41282377Mad
>>41281915ROGD deniers lose again>>41281944your "egg cracked" at 17, you managed to not worry about it for two years, and suddenly you have overwhelming dysphoria and need to transition? If you were able to tolerate being a man then, perhaps you could tolerate being a man now. Just a thought>>41282048every person that desists or detroons pokes a hole in the narrative that you're born trans and that it's an immutable characteristic. >>41282117puberty blockers are more acceptable when there isn't troon propaganda in kids shows spiking the number of kids identifying as trans.is it too much to ask to leave the tranny shit until at least high school?
>>41282424>every person that desists or detroons pokes a hole in the narrative that you're born trans and that it's an immutable characteristic.you mean the 1 (ONE) person on this board who desists or detroons pokes a hole in the narrative?The single person on a board of tens of thousands of posts a day?that's your hole in the narrative?think we call that an exception that proves the rule mate
>>41282444yeah, I was definitely referring to narrowly the people on this board lol... my point is that every detroon is a counterexample to the idea that being trans / GD are immutable characteristics. if there were no detroons the argument that GD is immutable would be much stronger.also, I don't really see how detroons are an "exception that proves the rule". detroons generally have the same psychological profile as troons, they just happened to detroon.
>>41281915>how can it be smart to tell people to do it if it didn't work for me personallyUh oh that's REALLY fembrained op
>>41281922oop
>>41281915>Use puberty blockers because not sure>Confident is not that>Go back to have normal puberty>If not the case could've starte HRTSeems like it worked as intended retard
>>41281915if this is true i’m genuinely happy for you. i transitioned at 15 (22 now) and am very happy with that decision. to say all underage lurkers will get over it is a low iq take. some may (like you) and some may not (like me). but clearly ur not unbiased based on the fact that u call trans people troons.
>>41282468>the idea that being trans / GD are immutable characteristicsbeing trans is an immutable characteristic, GD is not and varies strongly from person to person to my knowledge no one except retarded 4chan husstussies argue that GD is immutableeveryone except for truNBs (who are rare as hell but do exist) gets gender dysphoria, it's just unrealized in cis people without outside forces making them believe they dont look sufficiently masculine/femininehow strong the GD you experience and how much you care about it varies massively from person to person and some people will feel significant amounts of GD but brush it off like it's nothing because they're just more psychologically resilient than the norm>detroons generally have the same psychological profile as troons, they just happened to detroon.this is not the gotcha you think it is
>>41281915Thank you for spreading this important message OP. I hope you can save some lives.I'll believe in "teen transitioners" or "child transitioners" once all the propaganda is removed from tiktok and Roblox and whatever other billion places. If it still happens after the propaganda is cleared out then I'll believe it, it won't though.
>>41282468>yeah, I was definitely referring to narrowly the people on this board lol...the detrans rate is incredibly small no matter where you gothe number of detroons on this board is representative of the number that exist in the wider populationand retroons are also something that happens, as well as "I'm detrooning but not changing anything and still staying on HRT" fake detroons (many of these)>>41282571kys sissy
>>41282547if the defining feature of transition is GD, how is it an immutable characteristic?do true trans people have some sort of immutable cross gender soul? in a different society a lot of troons wouldn't transition. does that mean they'd be trans but not know it? I genuinely don't understand how someone can think being trans is an immutable characteristic unless you argue GD isWhat characteristic distinguishes true trans vs fake trans???and it's not a gotcha lol. the fact that troons and detroons have similar psychological profiles is something detroons and troons like to deny.>>41282580it's 5-10% among young peopleI agree the "detroons" that don't actually detroon are cringe
>>41282632GD is not an immutable characteristicit's an inherent characteristic, it comes with having a gender, any gender, but it's not immutablethe form GD takes is wild and variedit's actually very easy to discover your own GD, if you start HRT and suddenly all your depression goes away then congrats, you were trans all along and just pushed the feelings so deep they weren't conscious anymoreif you're not trans then you'll start experiencing gender dysphoria, because that's how an actual boy feels when they grow boobs
I don't have to be a man, so I'm not going to be one
>>41282632it's 5-10% among trenders who never transitionedand that's still below the youth suicide rate
>>41282661nope lol. MacKinnon's study is among people who actually medically transitioned and then detransitioned.>>41282651this is not the case. there are many cases of people who experience GD, like the effects of HRT, and then detroon and experience regret 5-10 years down the road.i don't see how there's a difference between an inherent and immutable characteristic, lol. it seems like you believe in subconscious sex or cross gender souls or something.
>>41282686subconscious sex is definitely real, it's been proven by pretty much every childhood development study that gender as a social construct doesn't influence children's gender typical choicesthe confound in determining the interests of trans kids in the same kind of studies is that sexuality isnt known until teen years and lesbians/gays are male and female shifted respectively in most behavioural studiesa trans boy who will grow up to be a gayden might show girly interests, typical of cis faggotsa trans girl who will grow up to be a transbian might show masculine interests, typical of cis dykessimilarly you can't be totally certain that a girl showing boyish interests is going to grow up to be a trans man and not a cis dykethis is actually a really fucking hard concept to navigate for the kind of autists in this community who think in black and white
>>41282686you're gonna need to source that study if you're referencing it
>>41282742https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/10/opinion/trans-health-care-detransitioning.html"arly studies, from the 1970s until the 2000s, suggested detransition among adults was rare; about 1 percent to 6 percent reversed the process or expressed regret. But some recent studies among young people have suggested it could now be higher, 5 percent to 10 percent — an increase that has come amid a sharp rise in the number of young people seeking care at gender clinics.">>41282723how on earth could you verify that something like "subconscious sex" exists??? can you scan someone's brain and observe their subconscious sex?I don't see how a boy liking feminine things means he has a female subconscious sex.gaydens and transbians are explained by AAP/trauma and AGP respectively.
>>41282774Why
>>41282761>media "SOURCE">references other studies>doesn't include links to those referencesso they'll be misinterpreting results to say what they wants, if they're not lying in entiretyyou are a propaganda drone and your opinions are worthless
>>41282798MacKinnon is a transgender man, so I'm not sure why he would intentionally misrepresent the research to show there are more detroons than previously thought. or why he would lie. he is quite pro trans. if you read the article, the studies are linked lol
>>41281915but anon its the 8th today
>>41282812I have mean nuts
>>41282076so what youre saying is, you avoided male puberty, and now youre less dysphoric on account of that?
>totally an open minded good faith posts that implies nothing bad about *actual* trannies or any type of gender affirming care guys ;)
>>41282808the article is paywalled by the NYT so I didnt read it properlyanyway >some recent studies among young people have suggested it could now be higher, 5 percent to 10 percentexcept the studies aren't recent and the one that found a rate of 9.8% detransition had a tiny sample group, the 9.8% was four people, one remaining non-binaryin a study of 41 participants a single deviation above the norm shows a spike in the rate, this is an outlier as a result of a small sample group, not relevant findingsthe more important thing is that the "recent studies" used date from 2000-2020it's all pre covid, the course has already changed and you can't reference it as though it's current anymore>>41282761>how on earth could you verify that something like "subconscious sex" exists??? can you scan someone's brain and observe their subconscious sex?I literally just said, childhood development studies show subconscious sex as a persisting trait in cis children We know subconscious sex exists because it exists from childhood, what we can't quantify is how it appears between gender identity and sexual identity of children who aren't cishet, largely because there's so much overlap between how cis gay and trans straight children present, and how trans gay children can present as heteronormative for the same reason
>>41282887here are the links.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35851291/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8775415/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.17530if anything, the detransition rate would be higher post-covid since the rates of transitioning (and thus number of "trenders") have gone up>>41282887You can't use cis children as an example of "subconscious sex", lol. These are regular boys and girls so of course they see themselves as boys and girls. They have no conception of a subconscious sex, they just are male or female and live like that.I'm saying you can't prove the existence of a *cross-sex* subconscious sex that's intrinsic to a person. For precisely the reasons you just laid out.Which is why I think it's absurd to say that someone can have a "subconscious sex" distinct from their biological sex that's some intrinsic, immutable thing.
>>41281915from what age to what age?
>>41282922if cisgender subconscious sex is so immutable in kids then why do queer kids present so far outside the norm
>>41282117Where was this epidemic of teen suicides before you narcs started grooming left right and center? It's almost like threatening suicide OR ELSE! is just an abuser tactic.
>>41282122>you just go through puberty laterThat's not how puberty works. It only happens once and if it's blocked then it's blocked, it's not paused.
>>41282922I mean it's not difficult to prove the existence of a trans subconscious sex at all, it's difficult to differentiate it from other queer identitiesall queer identities stand out from their cisgender cohort, but they don't stand out remotely as much from the queer cohort of differing sexualities/identities>>41282992still happened, just not attributed to the transgender suicide rate>>41282998[citation needed]
>>41283005>>41282992hell even now confirmed trans teen suicides will be attributed to cis children because the parents continue to claim their child definitely didn't feel any conviction in their gender identity at all after killing themselves over not having it recognizedsome parents would unironically prefer having a dead child over a trans child
>person isn't sure about gender>"TRANSITION! TRANSITION IMMEDIATELY OR YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF!">person transitions>isn't helped by it>they complain about the bad advice they were given by people they trusted to know how to help them>"lol it's not our fault you fucked up your life kys grifter"Why are AGPs (and AAPs I guess) like this?
>>41283065>>41282998if you had an actual argument you wouldn't need to strawman and lie so blatantly
>>41283065most detransitioners detransition because their social status as a trans person was too low for them to cope with, not because transition wouldn't have helped if they were received with open arms by society
>>41282962gender non-conforming presentation isn't evidence of an immutable "subconscious sex", lol. there are plenty of GNC cis people.>>41283005explain how you prove it? i feel like it's unfalsifiable.
>>41283150>explain how you prove it?the immutable cishet subconscious sex has been proven and invariably the numerous attempts to disprove it failchildhood development studies on gender as a social construct have been done again and again and again by feminists trying to prove that femininity is a construct of the patriarchy and it keeps failing and showing that an immutable cishet subconscious sex existsthe immutable queer subconscious sex is only unknown because of the multiple variants of queerness in-between muddying the data and failing to differentiate all subsetsbut it's a gray area where we know it exists because these children are still outliers in the gender studies (that show upwards of 98% consistency, usually, once you've accounted for excluding autistic kids, anyway (which itself excludes a lot of queer kids so that 2% is post selection))the feminists are all repressed pooners trying to redefine femininity rather than transition themselves, btw>there are plenty of GNC cis peopleno there arentthere are a few, but the majority of GNC cis people are either doing it for social reasons or are reppers or closeted, ie. fake GNCthey conform to a gender, they just dont conform to their assigned gender at birthGNC cis is the second biggest repper cope in existence after theyFABsoh and that's discounting GNC cis gays as a whole, who are genuinely GNC but wouldn't identify as such
>>41283150it's not unfalsifiable, it's that we can't pre-select for these groups in early childhood because the traits that distinguish the outlier groups from each other don't present until puberty, at which point socialization has actually taken over so much that critics will throw the data outin order to pre-select you would have had to have identified the brain patterns of trans men, gay men, gay trans men, trans women, gay women and gay trans women first to create the groups of study, but then you'd have too heavy a bias on the pre-selection to say the results weren't decided beforehand, and the whole thing would be proven anywaybut he methodology is possible, we just aren't that advanced yet
>>41281915fuck you nigga you didn't deserve it>t. miserable irreversibly giga-masculinized repper 1 year older than you who never grew out of it
>>41281915>Takes puberty blockers because you think you might be trans but you're too young to commit>Enter adulthood, normal>Don't troon, also not miserableBro you won who the hell cares this is exactly what transphobes should hear.
>>41281915isn't that the whole point of puberty blockers for teenagers who aren't sure of their gender?>>41283065person doesn't transition but takes medication that lets them safely delay making that decision*
>>41283225>>41283239okay, so cross-sex subconscious sex existing is unfalsifiable.if you can't design a study that would prove cross-sex subconscious sex exists, it's objectively unfalsifiable.
>>41283267no I can design a study that proves transgender subconscious sex exists, it's just beyond our current means to do the study because identifying transgender children to carry out the study on is a chicken and egg problemadditionally solving the chicken and egg problem through brain scanning or some other similarly advanced neuroscience we're not yet capable of would solve the need for the testing, it would prove transgender subconscious sex existsthis is not particularly hard to grasp anon I'm beginning to think you're a bit dim
>>41283267>>41283280frequently the case that a falsifiable study design cannot be carried out regardless because funding or participants fail to surfaceit's not a unique problem that the design of a study is falsifiable but the means to carry it out are not yet available to usin 100 years there'll probably a postgrad retreading old ground and carrying out this study for its own sake for a thesis
>>41283280the chicken and egg problem isn't solvable. the neuroscience doesn't and probably won't exist, also because the brain differences in troons vs cis people aren't actually that distinct. brain differences due to sexuality are much, much more distinct. i suspect if you scanned the brains of gynephilic trans women they would come out about the same as straight men.>>41283296even if you identified transgender children, showed that they expressed GD, and that this stuck around with them it wouldn't prove subconscious sex. it would just prove that early onset GD is largely immutable. subconscious sex posits that there's some psychological and/or biological referent to our sex in our brain, and that this can differ from our biological sex. in order to prove subconscious sex exists, you would have to prove such a psychological and/or biological antecedent actually exists, which is impossible.
>>41283317>which is impossible.if it was impossible to prove then we wouldn't have proven that subconscious sex exists in cishet children already THOUGHyou haven't once refuted thatit is possible to prove, the existing proof proves ithowever it remains a known unknown, we know it exists because it exists as a pretty direct corollary to the proven point, only evidencing it is outside our meansthe outlier kids in these studies do exist, as a whole you can differentiate them from the cishet kidsthe only part you cannot do within current means is differentiate lesbians from trans men and homosexuals from trans women, because that requires they go through puberty firstso immutable queerness is proven, immutable sex and immutable sexuality within immutable queerness is not
>>41283317isnt solvable =/= isn't falsifiableif you don't understand this concept you will never be a great researcher because you will be too focused on negatives to see possibilities
>>41283267you can get 10000 trannies asked a questionnaire and put their stories in a computer to see how they line up. No one has done this yet, but just from here there seems to be 2 groups, those who felt a subconscious sex come on around 14 or 15 and those who got it at like 6. Some were GNC, some were not, but all their stories do seem to line up with something feeling "wrong" for those who had it come on as teenagers, I seem to be in that group and a lot of us seem to like the matrix and stuff as analogies for how we feel. The other group are way more effeminate before transitioning and are more likely to be terrorized by the genitles, i don't know exactly how it feels for them but they are chill too.
>>41283367even people who transition when they are like 40 will tell you that this is how it started, and they just had to ignore it. Usually its easier for the later onset people to repress it, and they can blend in as normal men better.Idk how it works for ftm's
>>41283378FtMs invented feminism and womens suffrage because they wanted to be boys
>>41283367>>41283378This is just based on who I have had normal conversations with, there does seem to be a third group who are just kind of nuts and unhappy no matter what they do. I don't know if they are just very unhappy members of these 2 groups, or people who maybe shouldn't have gotten into this.
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>>41281915This is a repeated retard hon, xes also a christcuckBeware
>>41281915Hopefuel
>>41282424>every person that desists or detroons pokes a hole in the narrative that you're born trans and that it's an immutable characteristic.Excluding the fact that half of detroonies are religious schizofrenics and the other half didnt detrans? Lol
>>41282808Mckinnon is a wokie seahorse dad pooner
>>41281915youngshits are the best larpers
>>41281915in other words… no harm done?
>>41284188Im not larping doe>>41284190Im probs infertile now and have bad bones
>>41282076>Puberty isn't something you can pause. Once it's passed it's passed.me when I lie
>>41284229>>41282960
>>4128426414 to like 17
>>41284270lol
>>41284275?
>>41284229>Im probs infertile now and have bad bonesthis still hasn't been proven one way or the other btwthere arent enough puberty blocker detransitioners for them to do a study on it
>>41284229I fail to see the advantage of anything you have ever done.
>>41284314If you're trying to say something spit it out
>>41284278its late. you were lucky in your case tho
>>41284229>Im probs infertile"probs">>41284229>and have bad bonesno you don't. you have/had pre-puberty bones that develop normally once you come off blockers.
>>41281915no1curr
>>41283249>>41283259Puberty blockers BLOCK puberty. They PREVENT it. They don't pause it.
>>41281915puberty blockers are literally used for the few degenerates that are just pretending to be trans like yourself.If your kind didnt exist we would go straight to HRT instead of this puberty blocker bullshit
>>41282117>it's the only thing that stops teen trans suicidesAKA natural selection. Trannies are unfit for their environment. Fighting against that only causes more suffering in the long run.
>>41287084that's like saying all long-term medicine should be abolished.insulin? nah go die in the name of natural selectionpain meds? lol go kill yourself retardbloodpressure? heart? kidney? anything? LOL pray to jesus or die retard, it's natural selection time!!!
