>>41282964
go lift weights or something
fingerbang a girl
idc
stop giving ourself brain aids on the internet and overthinking shit
if you feel shit its there

>>41283019
*yourself

>>41282964
>trans women are women and trans men are also women

>>41283033
Men are men
Women are women
Transwomen are transwomen
Transmen are women

The 3 genders

>>41282964
Are you an autoandrophile? Traumatized? Dissatisfied with gender roles and misogyny? Do you like men or women primarily?

The answer to these questions will help you unpack why you feel this way and come to a solution that doesn't involve sex trait modification. Don't go to therapists, they'll just mindlessly affirm you.

>>41283200
>"are you autoandrophile?"
immediately disregard, dysphoria is a real thing and dismissing the possibility could harm you

do consider how you genuinely feel tho, possibly consult others but your primary conclusion should be your own

>>41283200
>Are you an autoandrophile?
Kind of
>Traumatized?
I don't know
>Dissatisfied with gender roles and misogyny?
Sure but these things were never really forced on me
>Do you like men or women primarily?
Men but I don't date or fuck anyone

>>41283215
autoandrophilia and gender dysphoria can and often do coexist.

>>41283240
What's driving you to transition? When did these thoughts start? Why do you want to transition?

>>41283287
>"autoandrophilia and gender dysphoria can and often do coexist."
yah no i agree but the original post kinda phrased it as a "look for any solution other than dysphoria" thing
in hindsight I could've quoted better but whatever

>>41283307
Yeah, you should look for every solution for your dysphoria besides transitioning. Transitioning should be a last resort option, and even then I don't think it's ever actually helpful.

It's a lot easier to change the interior to match the exterior than vice versa despite what this board would have you believe.

>>41283287
>When did these thoughts start?
Around 10 I guess but it didn't get bad until 13
Nothing is driving me to transition because I haven't and won't. I won't live long enough for it to matter and it would make everything harder

>>41282964
Yeah, mtf dysphoria and ftm dysphoria are distinct things. Makes sense to consider one not it because at the root it is not the same.
So what do you mean by lying to yourself there?

>>41283486
ftm dysphoria is very poorly studied in comparison actually, which is a shame because they seem to transition younger and testosterone has more irreversible effects so it really needs to be understood.

>>41282964
feminism wouldn't exist without reppers
so I'm gonna need you to transition bro
society is finally healing and it depends on you not being a woman
100 years of trying to make girls become boys and at the finish line you're backing down?
4th wave feminism sucked, please take your roids

>>41283502
not really
germaine greers beautiful boy is pretty much what AAP looks like when a horrid cunt gets old enough to turn into a pedo about it
its not studied as an ftm dysphoria thing but it's 100% an ftm dysphoria thing

>>41283339
every solution for dysphoria besides transitioning is how society has turned into a septic tank
reppers who become politicians or CEOs are the worst people on the planet

>>41283502
They transition younger? I guess that makes sense, because female puberty starts faster, but still, I thought that with all diagnosis delays and whatnot, the timing would be similar to mtf.
I'm not sure if ftm dysphoria can be properly studied until the world gets less sexist towards women. Currently a lot of women might be tempted to transition ftm to get more reproductive rights, to have an easier time getting sterilized completely because a lot of doctors don't want to do it to women who don't have health issues and didn't have at least 2 children. If those barriers were lessened, we'd get more "pure" ftm transitioners and then they would need to get studied. Otherwise the samples are muddled with cis women who want to be sterile in any way possible.

>>41283634
i think the mtf numbers are brought up by all the reppers who decide to do it after a long time being an adult, ftm's don't have that crowd as much

>>41283634
you're confusing cause with effect
trans men are anti natalist because they're trans men and fear pregnancy as men, they're not transitioning male because they're anti natalist
even where being anti natalist is a motivator to transition sooner it's still caused by being trans

>>41283743
>trans men are anti natalist because they're trans men and fear pregnancy as men, they're not transitioning male because they're anti natalist
I understand this. I'm just saying that being anti pregnancy can also just be a cis woman thing. So basically I meant that both cis women and trans men are currently motivated to transition, just for different goals. Trans men transition because they are men, cis women transition because they don't want to do the female role.

>>41283781
>dont want to do the female role
yeah this is a trans man
you're describing a repressed trans man who has sucked too many of Judith Butler's fart theories and thinks all gender is performative

same type of repper who thinks trans women shouldn't shave because some women have facial hair, and shouldn't get FFS because some women have strong jawlines, and shouldn't be on HRT because some women have hormone disorders
awful people really

>>41283834
>you're describing a repressed trans man who has sucked too many of Judith Butler's fart theories and thinks all gender is performative
I was honestly describing me. I'm a cis woman, not a repper XD. I just sometimes am tempted with the idea of transitioning because I don't like a lot of aspects of the female experience. It's a preference, not dysphoria like in trans men and reppers. Never read Judith Butler's anything, so can't comment on that.
>same type of repper who thinks trans women shouldn't shave because some women have facial hair, and shouldn't get FFS because some women have strong jawlines, and shouldn't be on HRT because some women have hormone disorders
>awful people really
This is kind of a different thing? Trans women should be able to do all that because women's roles are more unlimited.

>>41283970
yeah you should definitely transition for purely reproductive purposes
also hurry up

>>41284061
>yeah you should definitely transition for purely reproductive purposes
This is sarcasm, right?

>>41284082
no it's 100% sincere but my deeper sincere feelings are that the sooner your monthly is halted and your hormones are rational the sooner you can realize you wanted to be a boy all along

>>41282964
Amabs have a fetish and afabs have gender dysphoria

>>41284130
I mean, if I had an option, I want to be a guy. But these are not things people choose, I'm a woman in mind and body. I do want to try to go on testosterone to see if it makes me feel better, but that wouldn't make me equivalent to trans men. It's a different internal experience, I assume.

>>41284244
yeah see like you need to go on testosterone for the rationality juice part of it
not accidentally gaslighting yourself into these mental gymnastics once a month will do wonders for your psyche, trust

>>41284335
>yeah see like you need to go on testosterone for the rationality juice part of it
Isn't it a bit sexist to call it rationality juice? Anyway, the most likely scenario is that I'll regret it, just like these tons of ftmtf detransitioners. Because logically I shouldn't be on it, I just need to get sterilized and get rid of my breasts.
>not accidentally gaslighting yourself into these mental gymnastics once a month will do wonders for your psyche, trust
These aren't mental gymnastics and I don't rationalise it like that only once a month. Lately I have been hate-browsing online places that are against trans people or lgbt people in general, and that made me think a lot about transitioning related stuff. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I kind of read about it on daily basis. I used to have a similar problem in highschool during lockdown, i guess habits die slowly XD. So it's often on my mind because of it and I have tried to find explanation for this all. For why it happens, why people are against it and why they are for it, and so on.

>>41284565
>Isn't it a bit sexist to call it rationality juice?
Yeah, it is just sexism. I'm MTF and it's not like blocking my T and taking estrogen made me irrational and feminine or whatever (I guess it did make me more feminine lol).
>Anyway, the most likely scenario is that I'll regret it, just like these tons of ftmtf detransitioners.
Yeah? So you don't think you'll want the facial hair, the deeper voice, and the fat redistribution away from your thighs, butt, etc.? Or is it that you want those things but are worried for no real good reason that you'll regret it? Again, I'm on HRT and had similar worries, but the opposite has happened: I have enjoyed the effects even more than I had expected.
>Lately I have been hate-browsing online places that are against trans people or lgbt people in general, and that made me think a lot about transitioning related stuff.
Stop doing that. Not only is it digital self-harm, but you internalize more than you might think.
Anyway just get on T and stop making yourself go crazy.

>>41284642
>So you don't think you'll want the facial hair, the deeper voice, and the fat redistribution away from your thighs, butt, etc.? Or is it that you want those things but are worried for no real good reason that you'll regret it?
I want these things. I was just told that if I were hornier, I'd want to be a woman more. So testosterone theoretically should make me regret it, according to this logic. But mostly I am worried about how it will change my social life. I'm quite old so this move would be very confusing to everyone. That's why I wish so hard that it would be acceptable for cis people to fuck with their sex, so that I wouldn't have to reroot my whole life.
>Stop doing that. Not only is it digital self-harm, but you internalize more than you might think.
I know about the internalization thing. Kind of have been noticing that part recently. Even if I don't believe in that stuff it makes me feel guilty because other people do, it feels bad to hurt others. But I definitely should find a way to limit exposure to all that.

>>41284565
Yeah it is just sexism, real though
Be real though, don't you hate women just a little bit for how you get perceived as one of them and subjected to their gender norms when they're so fucking useless?

>>41284692
>I was just told that if I were hornier, I'd want to be a woman more.
?? Makes no sense.
>I'm quite old so this move would be very confusing to everyone.
Yeah, that's just how transition is. I'm young and it's still like that. That's why I'm a coward and still guymode at my job and at my classes. But the goal is to stop eventually. You're "lucky" in that the changes are more extreme but harder to hide, so this is probably less easy. Then again, some people get really underwhelming changes from T anyway.
Also how old even are you? Like 60s or what? I kind of assumed you were in your 20s, sorry lol

>>41284779
>?? Makes no sense.
The idea was that no one would want to have sex with a trans man/woman on T. Plus some people who claim to have AGP say that it was caused by having high T. So it's these ideas that make that argument.
>Also how old even are you?
I'm 22. But I feel like I've been living forever. Time kind of drags but also runs somehow, at the same time.

>>41284835
being a trans man/woman definitely limits your dating pool but the struggle is dating, not getting laid
having sex is easy, getting a date is hard

>>41284754
>Be real though, don't you hate women just a little bit for how you get perceived as one of them and subjected to their gender norms when they're so fucking useless?
I don't hate women. Would be impractical to hate them, as I'm attracted to them. I do feel uncomfortable with getting grouped with them and with some gender norm thing, but I have decided to write it off as a NLOG thing. Like, it is normal to feel that way, it's what the society wants. It wants women to not relate to each other so that they'd be competing against each other by buying shit. Or something like that, i haven't figured out that mechanism yet.

>>41284849
>Like, it is normal to feel that way
its not
>It wants women to not relate to each other so that they'd be competing against each other by buying shit
actual cis women do relate to each other
not relating to us and us not relating to them is why we have trouble forming friendships with anyone who isn't also a closeted trans man

the mechanism is that society is built for cishet women and that's not us

>>41284865
>its not
A lot of women have a NLOG phase. You see them admit to that all the time on social media.
>actual cis women do relate to each other
They do, but not enough understanding to have practical empathy. Like, they'd be a lot more feminist on the average if they understood the female condition well, no?

>>41284923
>they'd be a lot more feminist
Most women have feminists beliefs

>>41284565
>just like these tons of ftmtf detransitioners
Ftms who hormonally transitio rarely detransition

>>41284754
>Be real though, don't you hate women just a little bit for how you get perceived as one of them and subjected to their gender norms when they're so fucking useless?
Not sure how common it is, but I've felt this way about men, being perceived as one. Used to feel it a lot more before I put in effort not to be like that as much and then accepted myself and started transitioning.

>>41284923
"a lot of women have an NLOG phase" and it's invariably your friends and your family and the people who you exclusively hang around and not any actual normie women
just girls with BPD, PCOS, endometriosis and repressed desire to be a man

gathering the same group of women is how you end up thinking that "everyone has penis envy its a normal way for girls to feel"
it's just a fucking heavy confirmation bias driven by centering your view on femininity around women who aren't very feminine
doubly so if you're identifying as a lesbian because you're exclusively dating women with male shifted traits

actual normie women aren't in your circle of friends, they're the girls who wouldnt talk to your in highschool and mocked your body hair growth

>>41284934
They have some, but not to the max.

>>41284944
Interesting. Most ftmtf I know of from looking up online are the ones that actually did hormones and some did surgery Those that speak out against it especially..

>>41284988
>>41284923
well the funny thing about feminist beliefs is that outside popular feminism it's pretty much all just repressed trans men trying to turn women into men instead of turning themselves into men
most women dont hold the most misogynistic (you would call them advanced) feminist beliefs because they dont hate being a woman or women for being women

they enjoy being women, it's part of why you're not like them

>>41285001
Germaine Greer's the Beautiful Boy is pure AAP pederasty

>>41284984
>"a lot of women have an NLOG phase" and it's invariably your friends and your family and the people who you exclusively hang around and not any actual normie women
The point is, it's a PHASE. They suddenly start relating to other women, liking pink, liking cute stuff when they reach adulthood. And they're very common on reddit, some reddit communities are very popular with women. So it's not my irl circle. If anything, from my IRL circle I know only two or three people that went through NLOG to hyperfem cutie patootie metamorphosis, others stayed as they were in their youth, didn't have a NLOG phase at all. One of the ones with that metamorphosis does have BPD (actually diagnosed), funnily...
>gathering the same group of women is how you end up thinking that "everyone has penis envy its a normal way for girls to feel"
I don't think that everyone feels that way, I have talked about this and at most I have seen a woman be like "it would be cool" thought about having male genitals.
>it's just a fucking heavy confirmation bias driven by centering your view on femininity around women who aren't very feminine
Women in my circle of people I know ARE feminine. Insanely so.
>actual normie women aren't in your circle of friends, they're the girls who wouldnt talk to your in highschool and mocked your body hair growth
I was popular during highschool, so this fails to paint an image of a normie woman to me :( Everyone was nice to me, it wouldn't make sense for all of them to be non-normie.

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>>41285001
>well the funny thing about feminist beliefs is that outside popular feminism it's pretty much all just repressed trans men trying to turn women into men instead of turning themselves into men
I thought they wanted economic, legal and social independence.
Is that all a cope to not cut off their tits and attach half their arm's muscles to their groin?

>>41285001
>most women dont hold the most misogynistic (you would call them advanced) feminist beliefs because they dont hate being a woman or women for being women
Being feminist is the opposite of misogyny. What are you talking about there?
And feminism doesn't hate women, it wants to free women.

>>41285046
>I thought they wanted economic, legal and social independence.
That's what they want, anon just sees it as "being a man".

>>41285037
>They suddenly start relating to other women, liking pink, liking cute stuff when they reach adulthood.
hyperfem repper phase is a trans man thing
like have you seen jojo siwa's tradwife shit?
do you really think that's her real self and not just a weird new cope?

>>41285050
>>41285046
conflating 1st and 2nd wave feminism with 3rd and 4th wave feminism is a mistake because for the past 35 years of feminism it's been nothing but trying to redefine women as men
the thing is that independent of that the good that has been accomplished with 1st and 2nd wave feminism is still quite visibly driven by women who wish they were born as men when you know where to look
Germaine Greer is a great example, radfem author, old one, obviously a repressed pooner and the Beautiful Boy is all the evidence you need

>>41285082
>hyperfem repper phase is a trans man thing
Please no. I don't want to have a reppooner for a sister. I hope you're wrong >:(
>like have you seen jojo siwa's tradwife shit?
>do you really think that's her real self and not just a weird new cope?
I have seen people talk about it, but I honestly don't know much other than she's considered cringe? Is she a repper, why bring her up?

>>41285082
>Beautiful Boy is all the evidence you need
Isn't it just a thing where she basically says that teen boys are the sexiest thing ever? How's that an evidence for being a repressor?

>>41285141
its basically just the same thing as when older repressed trannies become pedophiles because they're hyper-obsessed with the childhood they missed out on
its just 200 pages of Germaine Greer's gender goals that have warped into a pederast interest in youthful looking boys over time

I genuinely forgot that I was talking to general /tttt/ and not just trans men, repressed or otherwise and this wasn't blatantly obvious to everyone with eyes

>>41285112
you can always ask /ftmg/ about the hyperfem repper phase to get a second opinion
I brought up jojo siwa because she's a perfect example of crashing out from the bisexual NLOG desperately trying not to be a straight woman by breaking lesbian hearts phase into the hyperfem repper phase
She did not go from unstable NLOG to stable tradwife larp, she went from stable NLOG to unstable tradwife larp and fell into it HARD

>>41285213
>its basically just the same thing as when older repressed trannies become pedophiles because they're hyper-obsessed with the childhood they missed out on
If that is how these things work, aren't we supposed to put all trans people and all repressors downs to reduce the amount of pedos? If this applies to everyone... because then they all are basically proto-pedos rn.

>>41285213
>She did not go from unstable NLOG to stable tradwife larp, she went from stable NLOG to unstable tradwife larp and fell into it HARD
I don't know much of this person, but maybe she's just doing whatever is fashionable at any moment? So in some time if the culture changes, she'll do something different. What's stable and unstable in this case?

>>41285252
it's only really the permanently single miserable ones who go down that path, the ones who meet an equally fucked up and repressed partner to have more autistic tranny babies with make out okay
but the more ethical method is to make all reppers transition before they can ever reach that point anyway

>>41285270
the pattern is very obvious to people on the other side of it who can recognize it in their parents and people around them
she will remain unstable in the tradlarp until either she gets knocked up or her boyfriend leaves her, if the boyfriend leaves then she'll probably crash out back into being an NLOG if a rebound doesnt immediately convert into a new clone of the last boyfriend, if she has a baby then it's 50/50 on whether pregnancy hormones stabilize her (in the fucked up tradwife larp state) or she becomes the most horrid bitch mother in existence who resents their children for everything (sometimes both at the same time)

I have seen this shit so many fucking times in my life in my extended family and old friends it's so fucking tiresome

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>>41285059
>That's what they want, anon just sees it as "being a man".
Autism, theory of mind, projection, yada yada...
>>41285082
>Conveniently avoids talking about fifth wave feminism
Kek.
>conflating 1st and 2nd wave feminism with 3rd and 4th wave feminism is a mistake because for the past 35 years of feminism it's been nothing but trying to redefine women as men
I never mentioned its waves, anon.
Feminism has always been about achieving economic, legal and social independence. The waves determine *how* to achieve this goal.
Do you think that first wave feminism, with it's focus on the right to vote, didn't care about representation, which is an issue predominantly discussed in fourth wave feminism?
Of course they cared. The only thing that changed between these two waves is the way they addressed the issues.
>when you know where to look
When you know how to quote out of context, you can claim all sorts of things. It's called cherry picking.

>>41285213
>jojo siwa
Isn't she an industry plant?
You think she has any say in her brand image?
Do you also think kpop groups actually change their taste in fashion every time a new album comes out?

>>41285302
fifth wave feminism doesnt exist
no constituency because the would be fifth wave feminist theorists are all trans men now and the remainder are clinging to fourth wave like a lifeboat
we exist in a post-feminist world and it is trans male

>>41285325
discarding 100% of the existing fanbase isn't really something industry plant popstars like to do

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>>41285334
>we exist in a post-feminist world and it is trans male
Whatever you say lmao.
>discarding 100% of the existing fanbase isn't really something industry plant popstars like to do
It's called rebranding. Industry plants do it all the time. Billie Eilish went through a couple changes before she became what she is today. Alissic also. Bülow also.

>>41285380
Billie Eilish is another great example of an obvious trans man, thanks for the mention
openly hates having boobs, keeps talking about it in interviews

>>41285405
She hates them being sexualized, not having them. At least from what I see online. I'm unfortunately not familiar with all these pop stars, so might be possible that journalists are creating the wrong impression lol

>>41285422
she wears baggy boy clothes all the time to hide them
its poony

>>41285405
>>41285213
>>41285001
Jesus Christ people on this board really blame every negative emotion/action/opinion they don't like on gender dysphoria. It's like you actively want more detrans grifters to exist

>>41285082
Every ftm with a hyperfem """phase""" were always feminine before the """phase""" and still are afterwards. Never seen an actually masculine ftm do that

>>41285450
they're fem before and after the phase because they're still gayden faggots
like any faggot they're lispy cocksuckers who like to wear makeup and play with dolls
still gay men though, not a lick of motherhood in them

>>41283019
>if you feel shit it's there
unless if it's your depression, ocd, adhd, autism, schizophrenia, paranoia, anxiety, bpd, hpd, npd, psychosis, bipolar disorder, ptsd, eating disorders then what you feel is wrong and you should ignore it. Dysphoria however is entirely valid and legitimate even though it's rarer than most of those.

>>41283067
>anon cant count

>>41285459
The majority of gaydens are not feminine in the way that the average fem cis gay is and you know it, feminine ftms act like autistic women not effeminate men

>>41285459
Motherhood isn't the only kind of womanhood a person can have lmao

>>41282964
tf are you going thru lil bro

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>>41287850
Suffering in hell for eternity

>>41285484
they are feminine in the way the average fem cis gay is and I know it because I've dated both