>Y-yeah, well, there are b-bigger problems to deal with! Why do you care anyway? It makes them happy! I know it's not true but it's the right thing to do. Smug Apu.It's embarrassing. How much longer are we going to have to defend this nonsense?
>>41285939>>Y-yeah, well, there are b-bigger problems to deal with! Why do you care anyway? It makes them happy!These are great points
>>41285939Why should we accept most antitranny nonsense if it's basically based on christcuckery cloaked in faux progressiveness?>transitioning is demoni- wait no, uh.. sexist. It just is sexist, okay?>You need to accept how god made you- uh.. how nature made you!!>We need to uphold social christian views of sexed societies... for the feminismos!>Satanic - uh, woke propaganda is everywhere!
>>41285939>How much longer are we going to have to defend this nonsense?Who is supposed to invent new arguments?Half of the trannies are on sedatives, the other one is too busy roid raging. No intelligentia. There is not even a "tranny bible", only a movie, and if I understood correctly it's more about repping than transgenderism.The closest to a book that explains transgenderism is the "men's trapped in men's body". But it paints the trannies as a very perverse community, so it was quickly forgotten (outside niche communities like the 4chan one).
>>41285986They got Richard Dawkins on their side, the world's most predominant atheist. We can't pin the pushback on christcucks.
>>41286688Except that he is a christcuck now. Oh but he describes himself as a 'cultural Christian' so it's different lmao.
I will defend their happiness because they are cool and nice to me and I like them a lot.And well said on the christcuckery. The idea that suffering is good and nature is good is massively evil and our task as humans is to overcome nature and build a paradise
>>41286732Do you want to Sharia Law? Because the void left behind from God's death isn't going to be filled by gender woo woo. Dawkins argues not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, that's all, and he does so from a rational standpoint.In any case, his argument against troonery is based on logic and reasoning and has nothing to do with his defence of established culture.
>>41287154If it’s Shia, sure.
>>41287154Using reason, my enlightened and rational mind has deduced that Richard Dawkins is a stinky doodoo head
Even supporters will concede it's not legit when pressed. All that's left is an appeal to emotion, and even that breaks down when you weigh the pros and cons of all those involved. The only way to win is not to debate at all.
>>41285986Nothing to do with religion. God made men horny bastards and chimping murderers too. He's put all kinds of shit into us, these people have no clue about anything. I guess if God gave you cancer you should accept it and just die.
>>41287154all these words to justify being a christcuckkill yourself99% of the social issues in North America are due to religious schizophrenia>>41286688>They got Richard Dawkins on their sidethe guy is getting senile.he thinks we are arguing that trans women are biologically women, have female sex etc.if he had a REAL argument he'd publish it in a journal like a real scientist. instead, he talks to morons that barely graduated highschool.not a coincidence.>>41285939> why do you care anywayliterally the best argument there isyou're a fucking loser for caring about thisthe male loneliness epidemic is self-inflicted
>>41286965LolThe idea that the highest moral good is to mitigate the reality of your own impermanence and that of your physical being and its temporary needs in changing conditions is evil. Learn to struggle, because that's what it is to live.
>>41285939the arguments against transgenderism suck>I don't want ppl to do what I don't expect>but what if I make your life suck?>STOP HAVING FUN
>>41292240>mitigate the reality of your own impermanence>Learn to struggle, because that's what it is to live.Um. How is that not the same thing?
>>41292240>telling someone who thinks struggling is a struggle to learn to strugglelearn basic abstract thought you babbling retard, 4 year olds can do this. If life requires any sense of value for you to deem it worthy of acceptance, you both have never felt suffering (which you claim is oh so important) nor have you built a sense of basic philosophy (you learn this is 5th grade, unless you're American. In that case I know why you fail to understand simple gestures of resonating attempts)
>>41285939Why are argue for it when it already exists...? It sounds like I would be arguing with someone who just lacks experience.
>>41285939yeah okay sissy
>>41285939The assumption for a need to argue for one's existence and identity is itself an act of aggression.
>>41290589The arguments against transgenderism do not hinge on religion. That's a cope.>>41294615>>41294701Trans exists the way circumcision exists. It's done to you.
>>41294933>It's done to youI did this to myself in direct opposition to every influencing voice in my life tho
>>41294933I know for a fact that the people forcing me to argue for my existence do not have my interests in mind.
>>41285939>i have no problems in life so i make up problems like trannies existingpathetic
>>41294949Think about that.>>41294992You're wrong though, about them and yourself.
>>41295387I'm a pretty good judge of character, and most people point fingers for the purpose of confession.
>>41285939errrr anon u rlly think transgender people are a big problem? like a significant problem? in your life?
>>41295485>Y-yeah, well, there are b-bigger problems to deal with! Why do you care anyway?Some of us think lying about one of the most fundamental aspects of human nature is mucho no bueno and has lead us to a very silly place and we'd like to go back now thanks.
>>41295632if you had a clue about human nature you wouldn't blame others for being "led"
>>41295676The lie being that we're not a sexually dimorphic species, that men and women are not distinct entities, that "man" doesn't describe adult human males and ONLY adult human males.The left used to get pissy about schools teaching pseudoscience, what happened? Today they're absolutely giddy about telling children lies. Is it all to spite the right?
>>41285960They're not, they're what you use instead of arguments when you don't have any.
>>41294933so you are okay with your kids transitioning?
>>41295886>>41296049>makes points based on "it just is... because it just is, okay?">gets aggressive when someone calls this outSo you're a sperg and a nigger? Interesting.
>>41295886just admit it, you think it's a big problem because you feel grossed out by it. You're grossed out by it not because it's gross (if it was, people wouldn't be fighting for it) but because you can't imagine doing what you think it's doing.I think anal is gross, I don't base my entire day/years around this telling people that anal should be a federal crime. You are completely radicalised and the only reason you care is because TV hosts know that you'll talk about it. This isn't complicated. And to return to your points, if any of what you said were true, people wouldn't have the ability to transform their bodies with medicines. But it's so blatantly true, that you spend your time telling people not to do it.I don't understand how people can he so dismissively fucking stupid. I don't hate you anon, I hate that you never got 1st world education, 100iq is very different in NA compared to other countries and I feel sorry for you. You act completely reactional and both our lives would improve if more people had the ability to think more than twice on the information reaching their brains.
>>41296397People aren't transforming their bodies with medicine though. They're artificially inducing a hormone imbalance that results in some superficial secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex.
>>41296520>years of HRT alone drastically changes nearly every sex characteristic of the human body except the genitals, depending on the age you start>not transformingYou’re allowed to be upset and even believe your own reality. The rest of us will continue to enjoy the fruits of life.
Boring thread. Let's talk cooking.>regular cooking videos>legions of burned out white and asian men who think they can cook because they watched J Kenji Lopez Alt videos in college>vÃdeos de cocina latina>wall to wall 10/10 latina milfs with huge tits and fat asses making delicious mealsLet's talk about why this happens
>>41285939There are plenty. An entire library of it, more thesis on it you can count. Youre just too subhuman to look it up
>>41295886Homeschool your children then, schools do more harm anyway.
>>41296520>not changing body with medicine>artificially inducingyou do know what the word medicine means right? I'm trying so hard not to be racist but come on.
>>41296520Anon... what do you think a hormonal inbalance is?And what causes the changes involved with the inbalance, and what could be a magical cause for the "superficial characteristics" (ultracope btw) perfectly mimickicking those of the "opposite sex"?Come on, move the gears in your brain, try thinking a bit more past catchphrases from paradox institute telling you everything that makes you uncomfortable has to be a pathology, cmon
>>41285939>It makes them happy! I know it's not true but it's the right thing to do. Smug Apu.Anon this is the core thought of denying trannies transition care. They admit it themselves, so why are you projecting?
>>41296876So true, HRT changes EVERYTHING. It changes a male into a male with a hormone imbalance.
>>41296876>41297709it cannot say anything past shitter pseud catchphrasesits completely buckbroken nona its over sage and leave
>>41287154>If you remove religion from society then society will become a religious theocracy
>>41285939we know gender is neurological thanks to cases like david reimer's. transsexuality is what happens when one's neurological gender is out of alignment with their sex. there's good reason to believe that the causes of this are at least partially genetic, such as studies comparing identical and fraternal twins of transgender people. since we can't fix trannies' neurology, we should let them transition so they can not be completely miserable.
>>41287154>logic and reasoning>literally admits to wanting to keep christcuckery (just without the god) because... yesAre you mentally retarded like unironicallyAre you a nigger?
>>41297709hold on. Are you implying that laws/bans/arrests/kills have been made purely due to "I won't call you a man/woman"? Are you trying to hint that all the book banning and commotion hasn't had anything to do with what people do with their own bodies but rather that people are afraid of "now, call me ma'am"?If that's the case, then the anti-trans crowd is stupider than I thought.
>>41298071David Reimer proves gender ideology has no foundation. How dare you twist his case to validate the same lunacy that killed him?Show me the studies done on identical and fraternal twins of "trans" people, I haven't seen these before.>>41298231I can't parse this at all. What are you saying? I'm saying nobody is changing their bodies to the opposite sex, that HRT isn't magic, it's taking a healthy body and screwing with the hormone balance. Wow, amazing, such validating body hair and fat distribution, wow wow wow, so cool.
>>41298409>David Reimer proves gender ideology has no foundation. How dare you twist his case to validate the same lunacy that killed him?david reimer knew he was male despite never being told he was. if gender isn't in the brain, how did he know?
>>41298409why don't you believe in magic anon? aren't you afraid of being put under spell?
>>41298409>it's taking a healthy body and screwing with the hormone balance. Wow, amazing, such validating body hair and fat distribution, wow wow wow, so cool.yes, throw more paradox niggercoal, i'm sure that'll make you sound smart, you're so smart anonWhile we're on it, try defining differences between a pathology, body modification and body variance. Maybe that'll inspire some degree of self-thought in you. Or not. Either way, you're basically an asian version of a nigger so i shouldn't waste my time on you
>>41298409Anon is not going to mention breast growth, bone growth and bottom growth because that screws up his argument>inb4 more "its a heckin PATHOLOGY" cope
>>41298409>I'm saying nobody is changing their bodies to the opposite sex, that HRT isn't magic, it's taking a healthy body and screwing with the hormone balance.and? I really can't tell if you think there is an issue here. I need clarification on what you think the problem is.
>>41298437BECAUSE HE WAS MALE YOU FUCKING MORON
>>41298409>>41298818 menever mind, I just figured out what you're saying and I keep laughing. You genuinely think that the very people who have to make themselves incredibly informed on the subject, undergo years of therapeutic care, practice and routinely train themselves to create new habits - also think that all the things they do don't have any impact and that hormone injections are some kind of magical cure.I didn't think people could get so thick but colour me surprised.
>>41298916...so?You're saying it just because. Judging from surgeries on intersex children, they do not know they have differing gonades or internal organs (or chromosomes even, for the matter if you're trying to make the argumet), why should a standard male kid with a vagina surgically made during infancy know because of a "magic male essence"? That's retarded, even for /pol/ standards
>>41298916that doesn't answer my question though. through what specific means did he become aware of his sex, if not by having some concept of it baked into his neurology?
>>41298916I think you have been so radicalised that you can't think straight on the topic. I don't know if you really are just stupid though, I'm mostly using bias for that judgement (this website has become insufferably susceptible to bait).You aren't allowing yourself to take honest considerations or concerns as to why people argue against you so much. It's because your rhetoric is hurting people and your basis is "everyone except me has gone insane", but acknowledging that alone should be enough to get you to question what you think the issue is.Nobody in favour of transgenderism internally believes that HRT turns a man/woman into the other. It's that a man/woman is an appearance, appearances change and the ability to modify appearances is something our species has done for more than 46,000 years. Being the guy that says "CANT GET PREGNANT" isn't pointing out anything other than the fact you are incapable of respecting your peers, which understandably makes people wish you would shut up or simply fuck off. Who knows, maybe in 30 years we will be able to get transgendered peoples reproductive systems reversed. We already have artificial birthing and impregnation.
>>41298978>>41299280The guy was *male*, and MAN describes the state of BEING MALE. You have divorced gender and sex so thoroughly in your minds that you don't see this simple fact. Fucking insane.
>>41300038he was male, but was told he was a girl. so how did he know he was male? that's what i'm asking. i obviously know he's male; in asking how he knew he was male i'm necessarily affirming that he was male in the first place. i'm asking you to outline the specific process of going from being male to having the knowledge in his brain that he's male, when nobody informed him of it. it's really not that hard to understand i feel like. how did the information get in his brain? *specifically*?
>>41285939In an ideal society people should be free and shouldn't have to be professional debaters to do what they want with their own appearance.Or have to win a constant argument with religious/trad people.People should be free to look/sound how they want and not be required by the government to conform to trad standards Why is it wrong for a man to want to become a woman or make himself look more like one? It's not inherently bad but every TV station talks about how evil it is 24/7
>>41292240> Accept being miserable in your life wagie, you're meant to suffer! > Don't worry, you'll go to heaven tho (hehe). Pay no attention to my extravagant lifestyle and pleasure, I'm trad just like you wagie!
>>41300141Because he IS male. There is no disconnect between sex and gender. He is male, all of him. It doesn't prove gender is separate, it proves the opposite, he was still a boy/man despite them lying to him.
>>41301617what part of 'specifically' do you not get, retard? you can say he's male over and over, but you haven't explained how him being male leads to him being *aware* that he's male. i don't know why you're so scared to come to the obvious conclusion that it was a part of his neurology from the start.
