https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5543054-colorado-conversion-therapy-ban-supreme-court/amp/The Supreme Court appeared open to a Christian counselor’s free speech challenge to Colorado’s conversion therapy ban for minors during oral arguments Tuesday. Several members of the court’s conservative majority expressed concern about accepting the blue state’s assertion that it is regulating professional conduct, not speech. “Just because they’re engaged in conduct doesn’t mean that their words aren’t protected,” Chief Justice John Roberts said.“It looks like blatant viewpoint discrimination,” Justice Samuel Alito quipped at one point.Not all the conservative justices were so vocal, including Justice Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump’s second appointee to the court, who remained quiet Tuesday. The court’s liberal wing, meanwhile, questioned whether the counselor had the right to bring the challenge.Colorado contends it is a lawful regulation of health care treatment, pointing to major professional medical associations that suggest conversion therapy is ineffective and can be harmful to minors. “Every theory that it’s relied on has been debunked and debunked and debunked,” Colorado Solicitor General Shannon Stevenson told the justices.Kaley Chiles, the counselor, who argues Colorado’s law is trying to control her conversations with patients to suppress disfavored views on LGBTQ rights.The Trump administration supports her lawsuit.Chiles’s challenge was supported by outside briefs filed by Christian counseling and medical groups, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic University of America, the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty and 20 Republican state attorneys general. Meanwhile, Colorado’s defense was supported by The Trevor Project, PFLAG, the American Psychological Association, nearly 200 Democratic members of Congress and 20 Democratic state attorneys general.
STOP TOLERATING FAITH
why do americans let 9 senile boomers decide everything?
>>41288625Because moderates (right wing extremists who are good at hiding it) told the DNC establishment that taking the high road would be the winning strategy and that the constant stream of crazy shit coming out of the GOP would turn people away. Instead it essentially announced to the rest of the country that the GOP could do what it wanted and the "moderate" Democrats would clutch pearls and otherwise do nothing.Because otherwise AIPAC money would dry up and then to rebuild their base Democrats would have to actually appeal to Americans and American interests instead of Israelis and Israeli interests.
>>41288625because we still tolerate unfounded, unfalsifiable, or simply imagined claims as the basis for policy
Cool. For those who don't know, this is where they physically and mental torture you until you agree to get molested by an adult to prove you're cured. Experienced it firsthand
>>41287646COME ON BOYS!!!!!
>>41289248Conservatives rape kids.
>>41288625> why do americans let 9 senile boomers decide everything?our constitution was enacted in 1791 by literal aristocratic slave owning straight white men.
>>41289284If you ever hear conservatives mention the word “children” ever again, have this as a poster to shove in their face.
>>41289311forgot pic related
>>41289284>Trump deports all the pedos>The Left: "Y U NO ARREST MINOR ATTRACTED PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY?!?!?!?!?!"
>>41289284true
>>41288882nigger all politicians take aipac dollars. fucking thousands of state and federal politicians kiss the kike wall in israel.
>>41289828It's just that right wing people don't hide it and openly applaud and protect other pedos. At this point anyone that calls themselves conservative or right wing are at the very least pedophile defenders/lovers and at most they are just pedos themselves(2nd is most often the case)
>>41289905Anyone that still supports trump(conservatives/rightoids) are openly supporting a pedophile. You know Trump is in his old best friend Epstein's files right?
>>41289932Whereabouts in the files?Do you have a link?
>>41289959So the pedophile sex trafficker who ran the largest pedophile sex trafficking ring ever wasn't a pedophile? Tell me more about how I'm dillusional.
>>41289979Your pedo God is keeping them in his orange face paint bucket. That's why he told pam bondi to say they didn't exist after he ran on releasing them
>>41289994Shouldn't you be watching Fox News and eating lead paint chips rn?
>>41290003It's been studied. Turns out torturing children doesnt actually change their sexuality
>>41287646>scotus decides to look at all these bullshit cases >won't even look in the direction of anything gun related, no matter how bad the conflict is with opposing lower court rulings
>>41290014Erm... Imagine admitting to being a pedo holy shit
>>41290042Anon I got tortured 20 years ago, it's the same shit
>>41290047WTF HOLY SHIT OMG DUDE YOU GOTTA BE TROLLING. Ntanon but are you seriously saying that being against pedophilia is evil?????
>>41289990Typical retarded answer.I was being genuinely serious when I asked for the link.I don't love or hate the overgrown satsuma. He does have SOME good policies, but he moans like a bitch constantly.I just wanted an actual link to evidence, court filing, etc. which should be easy considering that you said, without a shadow of a doubt>>41289932>You know Trump is in his old best friend Epstein's files right?I don't play party politics or bow down and get all emotional about millionaires and billionaires.
>>41290094There is no scientific method.
>>41290035You know that the Epstein files are real right? They hurt so many people you say it's fake? Have you been diagnosed with schizophrenia by chance or do you just love conspiracy theories
if they allow conversion therapy for Christians then we can get conversion therapy for anything right? like a conversion therapy for cis people?
>half the thread was just one retard baitingJesus
>>41290107Ah yes ty for confirming your status as a troll. I thought you were serious for a sec when I saw that and my jaw dropped to the floor.
>>41290127That seems to be the case. You can offer official conversion therapy to turn kids gay or trans and it would be legal
>>41287649>>41289044/threadthis madness will end when christianity and its other abrahamic cousins stop being taken as anything but the narcisisstic delusions that they are>>41290083i'm not that anon, and i hate to be that person, but they said they're attracted to teenagers (ephebophile), not pre-pubescent children (pedophile) ... something that was always considered socially acceptable for nearly all of human history in all countries, and is still actually legal in the US if you marry them...is it predatory? yes. is it the same as pedophilia? not really.
>>41290142therapists already do that.
>>41290047Typical tranny.
>>41290172>christianity and its other abrahamic cousinsnot to mention the entirety of right-wing "politics" that follows the same basis of ignoring material reality and reason to oppress people who don't conformtrannies and gays now, the rest of you tomorrow - you will be made to comply if this is allowed to continue
>>41290200>not to mention the entirety of right-wing "politics" that follows the same basis of ignoring material reality and reason to oppress people who don't conformAnd trans people too right?
>>41290200>not to mention the entirety of right-wing "politics" that follows the same basis of ignoring material realityit's extremely mentally draining to try to speak to mouthbreathers who barely passed highschool about "science"... they operate entirely on feelings and conspiracies, vibes... whatever makes them feel the best.it makes it feel like a waste of time to have actually studied science and empiricism... truth is an optional part of debate now, it's so tiresome.>>41290214here's one now... right on cue.it's entertaining to their little monkey brains to go 'pee pee bagina' all day without going any deeper... facebook is flooded with millions of them looking at the same retarded meme recycled in 500 different ways that all amounts to 'pee pee begina huehue team red'i think society took a wrong turn when it started teaching these people how to read. we should just let them rot in their stupidity, and not teach them how to bother us with it.
>>41289805The only people you deported are innocent families, using re-assigned agents who were supposed to be catching actual child molesters. You're a fucking monster.
>>41290499Stop defending the pedos that are still in the country illegally then
>>41290251>here's one now... right on cue.>posted 5mins before your own post?
>>41287646>tortureWhy is this word used?It’s not torture and as proof no one here will explain why it’s torture other than “we dont like it”
>>41290580>It’s not torturehttps://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2020/07/conversion-therapy-can-amount-torture-and-should-be-banned-says-un-expert
>>41290555there goes the monkey, entertaining himself with irrelevant nonsense......>>41290580maybe we should force you to be something you're not and you'll understand
>>41290580>>tortureSame reason as other words are thrown around such as white supremacist, nazi, facist, genocide, etc.Everybody knows it is morally evil to torture somebody, so it is on the people to put a stop to the torture, through "any means necessary".
>>41290601>there goes the monkey, entertaining himself with irrelevant nonsense......Chill.You are looking a bit angry through your webcam
>>41290603>Same reason as other words are thrown around such as white supremacist, nazi, facist, genocide, etc.you people are so fucking tiresome>>41290614> does it again
>>41290622Retard has nothing to say but has a desperate need to be involved.Very typical.
>>41290580Let me tell you what happened during my conversion therapy. I was 13 >Woken up with ice cold water splashed on my face every morning>Locked in a room with gay magazine, then gassed with horrible smelling substance>Strapped to a chair in front of a projector showing a slideshow of girls kissing, then fed some liquid that made me vomit and deficate. Forced to sit in my own filth for hours>Slapped, screamed at, told that I was going to suffer in hell and that my family hated me>Shown tons of mutilated bodies, was told I would suffer like them in hell>forced to do hard labor in the sun, deprived of water >Only ended when I let a grown man molest me as proof I was straight
>>41290671>"I'll take "shit that didn't happen" for $500, Bob."
>>41290689>Why do you call it torture?>This is why>No that doesn't fit my narrativeOkay
>>41290601You force me you suffer your existence every day. I consider that torture. Guess we need to make you speaking illegal
>>41290536You're one sick freak trying to twist this. There's nothing to discuss with you. You know where you belong.
>>41290671Odd this has never been documented before
>>41290603But you ARE a genocidal Nazi. You just don't like people saying that about you. You're a genocidal, pedophile, neo-Nazi freak who's fucked in the head and you believe you don't deserve any consequences for your behavior.
>>41290705Well, I believe that all trannies are rapists because when I was 7, I got molested by 153 of them in a single night.
>>41290711It has, a lot. You can find many people talking about their conversion therapy stories
>>41290715Shut your stupid mouth, pathetic loser. It's over for you, everyone is now aware of what a freak-show you are. I suggest you stop posting.
>>41290655says the retard whose only contribution is "huhhh duuhh u guise don't understand the words u use">>41290706> i cannot stop looking at trans content online> this is your fault!you are incredibly weak>>41290711odd that you've never heard of this before, you mean>>41290714they get what they deserve for their behavior offline: social isolation, women avoid them like the plague rats they are, unemployment ... the list goes on.>>41290715you need to be 18 to post here
>>41290714>You just don't like people saying that about you.Hahahaha.Your words mean as much to me as your opinion.Absolutely nothing.This isn't 2020 anymore where people go on a world tour apologising for something they said 20 years ago.I couldn't care less about what pisses you off because I have seen what you cheer for.You hold absolutely no moral high ground over anybody, and everybody knows it.Feel free to throw in some more ists, isms, and phobics for good measure.You are only demonstrating why you are hated more and more with every passi g day :)
>>41290754Didn't read your stupid post. Shut your stupid mouth, retard. Nobody is interested in your pedophile Nazi opinion.
>>41290706>There are many who consider as an injury to themselves any conduct which they have a distaste for, and resent it as an outrage to their feelings; as a religious bigot, when charged with disregarding the religious feelings of others, has been known to retort that they disregard his feelings, by persisting in their abominable worship or creed.J.S. Mill, On Liberty
>>41290764Get ready to march!Portland needs you kang.
>>41290754>because I have seen what you cheer foroh it's one of those straggots crying about Charlie Kuck who spent his life arguing with children>>41290781a lot of big words to say that they're narcissistic children
>>41290783Did you hear me, brain-damaged log of shit floating in my toilet? I said stop running your stupid mouth.
>>41290790I couldn't care less about Charlie Kirk, and my comment wasn't about him.>>41290795Got a new doll for you king!
>>41290831nice facebook meme grandpa
>>41290843Thanks.Thought it suited you perfectly son.
>>41290831Weird turd thinks he has a right to talk about anything. Weird fucked in the head freak defending pedophile freaks because he is one.
>>41290865I have a right to talk about anything I want, funnily enough.The fact that you offer absolutely nothing to the conversation except insults shows exactly who you are as a person.Pedophile freaks should be beheaded, and I would gladly swing the axe.Might be the first and last time we meet face to face though
>>41290891Yeah nah. No one needs any more input from you, Nazi clown.
>>41290909Tough.You'll get my input anyway.You think I'm going to sit and ask for permission from a reject such as yourself?Keep your antifa mask on bro...For all of our sakes.
>>41291013Didn't read a single word.
>>41291013timmy tough knuckles over here"ah... you haven't seen my... wild side, have you?" ahh
>>41291121>>41291144"Something, something. Nothing of value. Something"You retards are all the same.A blight on civilisation.
>>41290580i mean conversion therapy is ususally centered around classical conditioningfor example: measure homosexual behavior (sleeping with men, direct observation of arousal depending on anatomy, crossdressing, voice, etc.) and use a punishment ladder (ice sprays, shocks, loud noises, sleep deprivation) to discourage it.the problem is that homosexuality/trannyness is a trait expressed through behaviors. conversion therapy often succeeds in reducing the incidence of the behavior but does not address the trait.for example if you punish all people with blonde hair you're likely to see a lot of hair dye and bald people, not a lot of natural redheads. also, its considered inhumane because the benefits are questionable and the side effects are severe (direct effects from physical punishment + often long term PTSD diagnosis).
>>41291151Gays started western civilization in greece. Last time christianity took over completely we had the dark ages. Don’t bite the hand that feeds
>>41291191>Gays started western civilization in greece.Now list all of the current-day civilisations that have been built up, and thrived, through homosexuality alone.If Sweden enacted a law in which homosexuality was mandatory, without exception, how long would Sweden last?If they did the same with heterosexuality, how long would they last?
>>41291151"Sometimes, during one of... these nights, my wolf comes out" ahh
>>41291232> Now list all of the current-day civilisationsIt’s all a continuation of the source. The rennassiance went back to classical thought and so did the enlightenment eraSuppression of gays always coincides with the downfall of civilization. Also with artificial wombs most men will not even bother with women anymore I imagine
>>41291254Luckily, there is no animal within me.Otherwise I fear you may try and rape me.>>41291259And the industrial era?Homosexuality has always been a net positive for humanity when it captures the femininity of woman with the logic and reason of man.However, there is a difference between flamboyance and degeneracy as we see nowadays.What homosexuality has brought has been artistic, stylish, and comfort.It doesn't often bring builders, linemen and ship builders though.
>>41291311> And the industrial era?Unprecedented because of what seemed like infinite growth/prosperity but didn’t bring much otherwiseSometime post ww2 the culture became geared towards pussy worship/putting women on a pedestal.notice how the modern generation wants to be more like andrew tate rsther than scientist/philosophers/warriors etc > bring builders, linemen and ship buildersYou still need the variety of men to contribute to arts,science and to be soldiers but that’s impossible if there’s a small box of what a man’s supposed to be
>>41291151Dawg, you are defending actual mass child rape.
>>41291484yeah, kids are annoying, pedophile hysteria is even more annoyingrape 'em all watch women clutch their pearlswatch me not care at all half of them probably enjoy it
>>41287649>>41290200you keep saying this as though it was ever about science or belief or whatever. these people simply want us dead, and they will fabricate anything to try and seem as though their anti-social perversions have some sort of legitimacy. it isn't an epistemological issue, but rather an ontological issue. "reason" will not save anyone, in actuality "reason" is why we are in this position in the first place, for the attempt to expand biopolitical power is an extension of the enlightenment and "rights" established by the liberal world order. see agamben and adorno
>>41291484Point to where I have actually defended your actions?I defend nobody because I care for nobody outside of my family and friends.With that said, you defend people smugglers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, arsonists, and thieves.Your opinion matters to me less than the ants in my garden do.I'm sorry that, for once in your life, there is somebody that isn't putting you on a pedestal and telling you that you are stunning and brave by forcing your local grocery store out of business by continuously robbing it, but I guess that's just the way it is.
>>41291574>these people simply want us dead, and they will fabricate anything to try and seem as though their anti-social perversions have some sort of legitimacybut that is my entire point>"reason" will not save anyone, in actuality "reason" is why we are in this position in the first placeyou've fallen for their bait
>>41291589Quiet now
>>41291627No
>>41291627Actually yes.Sorry.Got much better offers than arguing with some anarcho-pedo on 4chan.If you be a good little manlet, I'll come back later.
>>41291644Shhh
>>41291654Cya soon my guy.If you play nice, I'll let you sniff my finger.Ciao Bella.
>>41291613>but that is my entire pointyour point is concerned with norms of rationality, and i am saying that such things are simply epiphenomena in the grand scheme of things. even if they stopped misusing appeals to science, they still want us dead, and they have control of all the institutions>you've fallen for their baitthe logic of this "reason" is to ultimately make everyone commensurable to the same measure. that is what all of this is about. by making it seem like a problem of reason, you give legitimacy to the very discussion, when in actuality we should not need to answer to what seems "reasonable" to cis people in the first place
>>41291675Nazi freak.
>>41291759Am I supposed to feel bad a Christard (a group that hates us) got pepper sprayed because he wants to defend illegal invaders that are shitting up the economy? Like it's completely valid to dislike Trump for his anti-trans policies, but supporting Christard invaders that make your life worse and hate you for being trans is never going to make sense.
>>41291678you sound like exactly the kind of authoritarian fanatic responsible for the current situation
>>41291783Didn't read that
>>41291853I don't care, I'm a third party jumping into you two's argument anyway.
>>41287646They should’ve just went to another bakery instead of being whiny faggots and none of this would’ve happened
>>41292468Wrong court case, dumb fuck.
>>41290831when did ukraine support flip sides? last time i paid attention to the issue it was all the right wing boomers who had the bumper stickers and facebook profile picture overlays and such with the ukrainian colors.
>>41291836the average authoritarian that wants lgbt dead says that trans people deny "basic biology". they actively make appeals to "science", "reason", and "common sense". to that extent, you sound far more like them than i do as i reject so-called common sense. i dont care about the inclinations of cissexuals and their use of etiology to try and determine the legitimacy of our existence. aaaaall of them can fuck off
>>41293131some time around 2023, the go-to KGB magic trick at the moment is to use retarded right wingers to mislead western foreign policy, so they convinced them Zelensky bad, its a waste of money, and only TRANNIES support ukraine.Naturally, after a while they figured out that Russia still isn't our friend but not before the Russians were able to capitalize on all the delayed aid and completely nuke all of Ukraine's momentum.
>>41293543now that I think about it, you may have been replying to an attempt at sustaining the pro-russian sentiment among the retard chuds.
>>41292468Yeah, those tortured kids should've went to a different bakery for their wedding cake!
>>41287646If we could just get rid of the four white men in the middle. They are the cancer killing our society.
>>41295451Gorsuch didn't used to be so bad, don't know about now.
>>41287646Every government official must be removed from office and proven through nuremberg trials that they aren't an active threat to children, basic human rights, and in direct violation of the constitution for the sake of the entire United human race. If this corruption is allowed to continue all you lesser nothing countries will starve and die through the collapse of the usa.
>>41293555I think you may be right, wtf. The completely unnecessary Ukraine flag jammed into his meme is indicative of the shit actual Russian internet trolls post as influence operations
>>41293506retard
>>41293131>>41293543>>41293555>>41295604>Anon is just now figuring out the entire right wing movement is just a Russian psyop to weaken American international dominanceYou're like a decade late to this realizationDid you think it was just a coincidence that Russia harps on about Ukrainian "nazis"? What other country on this planet tolerates the flying of the swastika and has a strong (and legally acceptable) neo nazi movement? (Hint: it's not Britain, France, Germany, or China) They're setting up the long con for us to take the fall. It's not about Ukrainian nazis. It's about revealing to the world that it was the American nazis all along. The GOP and Trump are perfectly playing into this geopolitical trap too.
Skimming through this thread really reminds me why I hate politics so much.No one in this entire situation, on either side, seems to have a single functioning brain cell.
>>41296025>We should be allowed to torture children.>We should not do thatBoth of these are so dumb. Thanks for being superior, Mr centrist. What would we do without you
