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>>41299064What’s the QOTT
being trans is a form of neurological intersex
>>41299108QOTT: how do you feel about tilda swintonBONUS: how do you think tilda swinton feels about you
>>41299151I swear to god there could be a group for ovarian cancer survivors and troons like you would try to find a way to weasel your way in. You don’t need to be included in everything.
>>41299188quit gatekeeping you bigot!
>>41299151Shut the fuck up
>>41299151Doesn’t powers suggest some kind of endocrinological issue? Either way its not like your average tranny is getting infant mutilated or covertly transitioned so its still a different set of issues.
>>41299282>its not like your average tranny is getting infant mutilatedyou'd be wrong about that
>>41299064Fake shit Male an female FUCK TRANS
>>41299064Riddle me this you chromosomally challenged faggots, is Kleinfelter really intersex?
>>41299356it is yeah, although kleinfelters people don't always identify as being lgbt. the guy i know with kleinfelters is a massive bald dude and has beat the shit out of police officers several times. he got tased last time and it fucked his pacemaker and hes sueing the cops. but thats neither here nor there
>>41299185I like her a lot, I think she’s a great actress>bonusI feel like I don’t know her well enough to say if she’d be a fren, but I doubt we’d be enemies
IGNORE BRAIN INTERSEX TRANS COPE POSTERSDO NOT REPLY TO BRAIN INTERSEX TRANS COPE POSTERSDO NOT DERAIL THREAD FOR BRAIN INTERSEX TRANS COPE POSTERSDO NOT FILL THREAD WITH POSTS ABOUT BRAIN INTERSEX TRANS COPE POSTERS
>>41299151anon you're strictly correct, you're just being impractical. society places different pressures on trans and intersex people, so the analysis of trans and intersex people as distinct but interrelated classes of people is necessary to understand our respective needs in society, regardless of whether or not transness has a biological origin
>>41299543intersex ppl have different needs depending on their condition so you are just needlessly gatekeeping methinks
>>41299356There is no true definition of intersex. It is not a medical category. Hermaphroditism was the official medical category / ICD code until the 2006 change to development of sex disorder (DSD) terminology instead. Klinefelter syndrome was coded as "758.7 - Klinefelter's syndrome" under chromosomal anomalies, not as a form of hermaphroditism. After the change from hermaphrodite language to DSD in 2006, it is classed:Chapter: 20 Developmental anomaliesBlock: LD20 Congenital disorders of sex chromosomesLD20.1 Klinefelter syndromeLD20.10 47,XXY karyotypeLD20.11 Other variants of Klinefelter syndrome (e.g., 48,XXXY)Intersex, as used in the 90s, typically referred to those classed as hermaphrodites. Some diagnoses not included under that were merged into the DSD category in 2006 though.
>>41299577and trans people have different needs depending on their gender and assigned sex, differences within a group do not erase differences between them
>>41299589>gender and assigned sexyou can just say sex.
>>41299606yes in this context i can, trans peoples needs to vary based on their sex. it was simple habit to use a term like that in this context.do you have anything else to add or do you agree that the distinction between trans and intersex is important?
>>41299450but it's true, all the evidence suggests it's the case
>>41299629"trans" (a pretty terrible name for it) is one condition under the intersex umbrella, and different conditions under that umbrella have different symptoms and needs yes
>>41299356>>41299580Diagnoses that were included under hermaphrodite and pseudo-hermaphrodite labels were typically things like congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), ovotesticular syndrome (OT-DSD), 5a-reductase deficiency, truly ambiguous genitals for other unknown reasons, etc. Generally there needed to be some impact to the actual development of the sex organs to fit the hermaphrodite criteria that the original intersex community arose out of. This was why early intersex advocacy used branding like "Hermaphrodites Speak!" and "Hermaphrodites with Attitude" -- it was what they were medically classed as until 2006. Intersex was a term those activists use to fight the medical abuse they were subjected to under the hermaphrodite label and medical protocols. Those medical protocols and surgeries were also largely pioneered by John Money from 1950-2000. Most of his work during those decades had been conducted on "hermaphrodite" children and it was with those children that he coined the term "gender identity" after the believe gender could be socially imposed and artificially enforced with hormones, lies, and surgery. In 1997 the David Reimer case demonstrated the abusive and pedophilic nature of Money's work, and prompted re-investigation of medical protocols. By 2006 the term "hermaphrodite" wad dissolved and a new category for conditions relating to all sorts of sex development conditions, not just "hermaphroditism", was created as an umbrella that included those once dubbed "hermaphroditism". Things like Klinefelter's, MRKH, etc. that were not included under "hermaphroditism" were included in DSD.
>>41299668Transgender/gender dysphoria has never been classed medically as a development of sex disorder nor hermaphroditism. Stay in your lane, colonizing copelord troon.
>>41299718what's wrong?
>>41299690you sound mad about something but can't seem to articulate it
I miss Oris' Dostoevskian rants
2015 MALTA DECLARATION:To put an end to mutilating and 'normalising' practices such as genital surgeries, psychological and other medical treatments through legislative and other means. Intersex people must be empowered to make their own decisions affecting own bodily integrity, physical autonomy and self-determination.To put an end to preimplantation genetic diagnosis, pre-natal screening and treatment, and selective abortion of intersex foetuses.To put an end to infanticide and killings of intersex people.To put an end to non-consensual sterilisation of intersex people.To depathologise variations in sex characteristics in medical guidelines, protocols and classifications, such as the World Health Organization's International Classification of Diseases.To register intersex children as females or males, with the awareness that, like all people, they may grow up to identify with a different sex or gender.To ensure that sex or gender classifications are amendable through a simple administrative procedure at the request of the individuals concerned. All adults and capable minors should be able to choose between female (F), male (M), non-binary or multiple options. In the future, as with race or religion, sex or gender should not be a category on birth certificates or identification documents for anybody.To raise awareness around intersex issues and the rights of intersex people in society at large.
Agp trannies are straight men skinwalking A) women B) intersex people C) lesbiansD) gay males on occasion This is a personality disorder marked by predatory mimicry of others to escape from one's own identity.
I absorbed my twin sister in the womb now I'm a man with a uterus (chimerism). That's about as intersex as it gets right?
>genital ambiguity and urogenital sinus anomalieshttps://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1464-410x.2005.05354.x
>The Accessory Reproductive Tract in Mammalian True Hermaphrodites, an Effect of PositionAbstract1. The difficulties in the current views of the embryonic and hormonic development of the accessory sex organs in true hermaphroditism are discussed. 2. The view is advanced that development of the accessory reproductive organs is influenced by the nature of the gonadic tissue on the same side. We believe that a positional effect is exerted which modifies the ability of the hormones to express themselves. This seems to be due to structural modification. 3. Gynandromorphism or hermaphroditismus verus lateralis with corresponding accessory sex organs has appeared only in rodents. 4. In ungulates the uterus develops on both sides, regardless of the nature of the gonad. There is one possible exception. But the oviduct is usually vestigial or sometimes absent on the side of an ovotestis or testis. Male accessory structures are absent or occasionally vestigial on the side of an ovary, but normal on the side of an ovotestis. Male accessories do not suffer in the presence of ovarian tissue, provided that testicular tissue is associated with it. They do require the presence of testicular tissue for their adequate expression. Female accessories, on the other hand, develop in the absence of ovarian tissue, but their full development in the region of testicular tissue is hampered. These findings apply also in part to rodents. 5. In primates (man) there is a strong tendency for true hermaphroditism to be associated with a bicornuate uterus.https://www.jstor.org/stable/2457667
>>41299151>thinking that applies to even 5% of the users on this boardpost your brain scan anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fP8WZXplR4
Both is the first film about an intersex character that is also directed by an intersex person. The film talks about Rebeca Duarte, a bisexual stunt double, who feels strangely disconnected to her own body and can’t figure out why. After going through an old photo album of her family that has pictures of her dead brother but not herself, Rebeca starts to question the lies that her parents had fed her her whole life. The story behind Both is partly inspired by the director’s own experiences, and the film was well received by intersex community organizations, including The Intersex Society of North America.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469041/
M. Lefort (1799 - 1864).Marie Madeleine was raised as a girl. At the age of sixteen, she developed a moustache and whiskers, and she decided to dress as a man.The same year, 1815, Lefort was presented at the Paris Faculté de Medicine, and examined by several renowned doctors. A commission was appointed to determine her sex. Two experts, François Chaussier, obstetrician, and Philippe Petit-Radel, surgeon, declared that she was a malformed male, but Pierre Béclard, professor of anatomy, insisted that he was a female but with a hypertrophied clitoris, a strong voice and a beard.At the age of nineteen, Lefort decided that psychologically he was a man. He then avoided the attentions of authorities and journalists despite seeking medical attention a few times, until 1864 when as a man with a long grey beard he was admitted as a patient to the Hotel Dieu de Paris. He was treated for pleurisy, but died shortly from the disease. An autopsy revealed that he had all the 'essential organs of a woman'Pierre Béclard. Bulletins de la Faculté, 1815: 273.C.J.S. Thompson. The Mysteries of Sex: Women Who Posed as Men and Men Who Impersonated Women London: Hutchinson. 1938. New York: Causeway Books. New York: Dorset Press, 1993: 17.AliceDomurat Dreger. Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex. Cambridge, Ma, Harvard University Press. 2000: 54, 55, 56, 57.Despite a clear decision by Lefort to live as a man, all the medical accounts refer to him as Marie Madeleine and none give his male name, nor any details of what he did all his life. How did he live? Did he marry? Nothing is said.https://zagria.blogspot.com/2011/01/m-lefort-1799-1864.html
>>41299902what an absolute gigachad
Bo Laurent, better known by her pseudonym Cheryl Chase (born August 14, 1956), is an American intersex activist and the founder of the Intersex Society of North America. She began using the names Bo Laurent and Cheryl Chase simultaneously in the 1990s and changed her name legally from Bonnie Sullivan to Bo Laurent in 1995.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheryl_Chase_(activist)
The Race To Be MyselfWorld champion runner Caster Semenya offers an empowering account of her extraordinary life and career, and her trailblazing battle to compete on her own terms.Banned from the sport she loved because she was labelled 'different', Olympic and World Champion Caster Semenya is finally ready to share the vivid and blisteringly honest story of how the world came to know her name. Thrust into the spotlight after winning the 2009 World Championships Caster Semenya quickly became the centre of a debate which still continues today about gender in sports, and the right to compete as you are.Told with blistering candour and captivating speed, The Race To Be Myself is a journey through innocence, ambition, defiance, and acceptance. From her rural beginnings running in the dust, to crushing her opponents on the track. To the falsehoods spread about her name, and the many trials she has been forced to endure publicly and privately. This is Caster's time to set the record straight and share her story of how she became a defiant champion.Throughout it all Caster has found triumph in her strong will, her community and her family. Caster's story is our story, and testimony to anyone forced to stop doing what they love.
*Hermaphrodite* is a series of photographs of a young intersex person, who had a male build and stature and may have been assigned female or self-identified as female, taken by the French photographer Nadar (real name Gaspard-Félix Tournachon) in 1860. Possibly commissioned by Armand Trousseau, the nine photographs have been described as "probably the first medical photo-illustrations of a patient with intersex genitalia".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite_%28Nadar%29
True Hermaphroditism with Oogenesis and Spermatogenesishttps://doi.org/10.1111/j.1479-828X.1973.tb02304.xTrue hermaphroditism exists when both ovarian and testicular tissues are present in the same person. This condition is quite rare and it is particularly rare for the subject to exhibit oogenesis and effective spermatogenesisOur patient was able to produce seminal fluid containing 20 x loa spermatozoa of normal morphology. Microscopic examination of the operative specimen showed a normal fallopian tube. The ovary contained a number of follicular cystsand one follicle was found containing a developing ovum (figure 4). Small numbers of primordial ova were also present. Regressing follicular structures were present, suggesting that previous ovulation had occurred.
>>41299817kinda sad you're the only actual intersex poster and get ignored
>>41299982that's not intersex tho, do you think siamese twins are intersex?
>>41300014yes I do in fact think a person with a penis and uterus is intersex
>>41299982I'm an intersex tgirl with both male and female reproductive parts and on the agenital spectrum :)
>intersex ppl: noooo u coping troons stop colonizing our identity>also intersex ppl: wtf stop excluding us we're LGBT too!i have no dog in this fight but i do think it's quite funny
>>41300212I'm >>41299817 and I fully support trans people
>>41299817Well yeah, i mean that’s a pretty obvious tell>sometimes i wish i had a twin that i ate to explain things
am i the only intersex person (5ard) that is OK with transgender ppl? I mean I get when trans/intersex get associated with each other as communities and trans ppl's lack of knowledge on intersex stuff it can get annoying but I get along with them better than intersex people in general. I want to connect a little more with what on paper is a community I'd benefit more by being in, but most intersex people at least online come across as straight up unstable and hyper-political on trans issues specifically.. the resentment is just so disproportionate and needless. A trans person on average is willing to be more reasonable and chill towards an intersex person than the reverse and I'm left thinking trans people are just like... nicer people in general. Idk I genuinely just say I'm a trans man because I identify more with that being raised as a girl and socially transitioning to a guy once the male puberty started. I feel more welcome and happier among trans people. The only prominent intersex people I encounter online seem like nothing more than obedient pets for gender critical ideologues and don't seem to have much to their personalities beyond that.
>>41300406read two posts above yours
>>41300414sorry anon I don't think it had updated by the time I finally decided to post it. i reworded it so many times because I have no idea how to say it properly. Not trying to put down intersex ppl generally or deify trans people but it's just been a frustrating experience trying to relate to people who should be inherently more relatable and end up most of the time at a community that claims to want to be separate from trans ppl yet most of their discussions feel like trans-focused hate rallies.
>>41300414>>41300406I'm the person two posts up from them and I feel that. It's weird to go to intersex communities online and see how hard they're trying to keep trans people out of the conversation. Trans people are cool. It just makes me feel bad when I try to talk to trans people about being intersex and then it feels like they're just jealous of me, which is understandable in some ways but it also sucks to be this way.
>>41300406I've never knowingly met an intersex person (or trans person, for that matter) irl so I don't know what the consensus or anything is among intersex ppl, but I think we share a lot of common struggles and should be natural allies. I totally get them wanting to distance themselves from the "trans umbrella" and LGBTQIA+ shit though.
>>41300406Aren't actual intersex organizations pretty trans-allied in general? Online shit is so subverted and full of malice and angry people its hard for me to feel like its representative of anything
>>41300492Have you tried talking to bisexuals (me) instead?
>>41299064Oh wow someone actually made one! I used to make these generals and would always get flooded by people arguing about random gender politics Idk who tilda swinton is though>>41299381You ever happen to ask him how a pacemaker is serving him? Lots of us intersex folks have heart issues me included. Pacemaker + ICD has been floated to me but I feel like it might be really uncomfortable to have something mechanically accelerating my heart rate or decelerating it
>>41300492I think intersex communities by far and large welcome intersex people who also happen to identify as trans. But the communities aren’t there for trans people to talk about trans issues. There are already plenty of spaces for that, and there are issues specific to intersex people that’s nice for folks to talk about. Really, I don’t have anything against trans people either and they’re cool. I just don’t want every convo to be derailed by trans topics >>41300521Big part of this is moreso disability related. A lot of intersex medical care is focused on the myriad of serious health issues (reproductive, but often cardiac/neurological/autoimmune) that come with these diagnoses
>>41300683hi what are we talking about
>>41300769Uhh what other boards you been posting on lately?
wauw intersex gen wauw wauw>>41299185>qottshe looks like a cool alien but beyond that I dont feel a whole lot>bonusI think tilda swinton thinks about me day and night and that she is trying to telepathically contact me from her alien elf realm, but it's getting her nowhere because im too busy watching bad youtube videos to pick up her thoughts>>41299356yes.>>41299817probably, yeah. I've been told odds are I have chimerism too (would explain hormone levels and some physical issues), but mine is far less obvious... I feel like a phony sometimes>>41300406the internet tends to both attract vocal and aggressive personalities and bring them the most attention, so some of it is probably a byproduct of that desu. I feel the same about liking trans people tho. I dont think most of them mean us any harm
>>41300787um /r9k/ /v/ /vp/ wud about you
>>41299817I’m a man with a vagina because my body didn’t produce enough DHT, feel you on that haha
>>41300926also /v/ and /vr/ and a bit of /biz/>/vp/not that I'd judge you for being into Pokemon buthow into Pokemon are you?
>>41299151>you see, my small female brain is bouncing around inside of my large male craniumSure thing, honYou have a sexual paraphilia stemming from bisexualityIf YOU are neurologically intersex, then so is every bisexual/homo ever
Anybody else have any surgeries planned I have to get some superfluous sinus cavities removed because they lead to no where
>>41299064yo. severe surgical graft hypospadias here. idk if i can claim the I, not like it's something i want to bring up in conversation anyway
>>41301006I haven't planned it with my doctor yet, but I want to ask if they can redo a scar that healed up around a hair follicle. Im so tired of it getting infected
>>41301001>so is every bisexual/homo everyou're starting to understand
>>41299064onion ring
>>41301039If you don’t mind me asking what’s the initial scar from and maybe try asking a dermatologist they might be able to help heal the scar tissue
>>41299282Powers says most if not all trannies have different shaped penises and that is proof off intersex.https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/1o0n7vw/comment/nidf6o9/
>>41300406this has not been my experience in intersex spaces at all. the opposite, even. most of them i've been in are very pro-trans and are even typically extremely trans/gender-centric with very little focus on actual intersex stuff in comparison, and a lot of self-diagnosed/undiagnosed transgender "intersex" people as the main userbase.
i have an intersex variation but its such a minor and barely known one that it doesnt even count desu
hi im a stealth mtf who found out im intersex this yr, at 28, & that my body was going thru half strength male & female puberty at the same time when i was a teenager. ask me anything.
>>41301996How did they figure it out? (If you don't mind me asking.)
>>41302319my mom had some tests done while she was pregnant. some things of concern came up, only this was back in 1997, & the doctor was stupid af & misunderstood the results. my mother also had no clue what any of it meant, & since they worded it weirdly, she got spooked, so she changed doctors. that was the end of it. i was going over some intersex terminology & explaining existing conditions to her this summer, as id grown to suspect it, & my mom had a revelation. basically it was something the doctor mentioned over the phone when they called her back then. smth i said triggered her to remember. i got in touch w/ my dr to run some tests, & she confirmed it. im still learning more.
>>41302455confirmed what? what do you have?
>>41302455Fun.I'm a quasi-stealth (I pass but I out myself way too often to trust there aren't rumors, plus I've literally outed myself on the public record to assorted state-level politicians) 40yo mtf with suspicious unexplained scars and no known medical explanation. Currently figuring out next steps for testing. It's been an adventure.Someone from here actually did give me ideas I'm following up on.
>>41300406I'm intersex and trans but trans people have treated me kinda like shit for being intersex
>>41302627best of luck anon. i transitioned at 24 & yet im somehow deep deep stealth. other dolls always tell me how "lucky" i am, to have gotten the changes & results i have, while having a cis passing voice, bc my voice never rly deepened. nobody in my community has a clue & i talk to locals frequently, young & old. its a strange feeling. i often imagine how they must picture my earlier life. i think abt how far it must be from how things actually went for me. but living in that space for a while, that illusion of normalcy, helps me feel ok. i like to lean into it. its bittersweet knowing my parents were so close to knowing im intersex so early, but didnt. idk if things being different would have necessarily meant a better outcome for me or not, i try not to think abt it too much.
>>41301538I have an inch between my legs with phimosis, I’m not checking >>41302627Karyotype testing also it helps if you can get the growth charts from your pediatrician and any medical files from childhood, I didn’t find out until I was 30 that I had surgery as an infant or why I had to see a urologist constantly as a kid (I have to push on my stomach to pee, or when they would take me in to regularly to descend testes eventually we couldn’t afford it so it stopped) :/ I think people are scared for their kids and don’t know how to handle those situations so they let drs try to make things normal
>>41303729I transitioned just before 36 and pulled an absolute miracle. I actually feel survivor's guilt about it sometimes.My state now is stealth-transcendent in that even when I out myself it doesn't really change anything. Sometimes people forget or misunderstand me. I recently had to stop someone from charting me as FTM, and previously a urologist actually did chart me as FTM.Republicans and other trans people accuse me of being intersex. It makes me a little sad that the Republicans are probably right.My voice didn't really drop either.I think my parents actually knew, and my mom questioned my gender identity more than once. In front of me. Over the period of approximately 1998 to 2004.We also watched a show together about intersex kids who rejected their gender assignments growing up, and my parents were able to talk about ambiguous genitals, the surgeries, the hormones, and even the lies parents would tell their kids about the hormones. At the time I just thought my parents knew stuff but in retrospect most people know basically nothing about any of this.Fucking haunting. Unfortunately they're both dead so I can't just ask them :(Thanks for the well wishes!>>41304495I've had a 15-20 cell karyotype from white blood cells and a chromosomal microarray and the report returned an uncomplicated XY.According to science I am what peak male performance looks like.
>>41301538that explains a lot, cuz I've literally never seen one that looks like mine. it looks deformedalso didn't have much of a male puberty, voice never dropped but I've never been tested
>>41299064I just wanted to ask, I have these 4 symptoms and I can't find any disorders/ defects that line up, does anyone know anything about thsi21 AMABPrimary anorgasmiaPrimary AnejaculationType 5 phimosisComplete genitial insesnitivity
>>41306424You sound like a lot of the same issues I have, are you micro as well with internal testes in the abdomen and or urinary/bathroom problems ? I have mosaicism
>>41306473No I am a completely normal male physically, tahts why my issues are so puzzling. As for bathroom problems, yeah I have those, my urine going in weird direcstions, urine buildup, dripping, infections etc
>>41306499Have you seen a urologist yet?
>>41299151How many times do actual intersex people need to tell you guys to shut the fuck up about this shit for it to finally click?
>>41299450Unfortunately this is the fate of all intersexuals. To argue with annoying trannies inserting themselves in our shit. It was preordained.
>>41306547>>41306610>>41306591No not as yet, though I have an appointment soonI am also AGP lolThough I wonder wether my defects cuased my AGPThough I am very careful nt to appropriate, I just tell people I have a genitial disorder/ disoder of sex developmentI find the intersection between AGP and intersex sad, before I was consious of my defects or AGP I remember reading an article about swyer syndrome, I was like Waow i'm so jealous. Most AGPs hope to be intersex , but do most intersex people hope to be "normal" or are happy as they are?
>>41306638>Most AGPs hope to be intersexI get that and I don't. It does not make you any more valid. TERFs will still hate you. Governments will still define you out of existence or decide your theoretical gametes decide which restroom you should use.My status is medically unknown but the only part of my life to be jealous of is where I like 90% failed male puberty, which objectively did make transition easier. But being intersex doesn't remotely guarantee that, nor is being intersex required to transition and pass.And compared to others I've had things fairly easy. Whatever surgery happened I have no memory of, and I have no reason to think it'll interfere with future surgery plans. Nobody force-fed me hormones to try to force me through male puberty. Things could've been so much worse.
>>41306638>No not as yet, though I have an appointment soon… I am also AGP lolGood on the appointment! I really don’t care if you’re agp or not, >>41306775It might effect surgery like just be aware I guess like I had invasive orchiectomy and while I know my immune system’s fucked my recovery was like a few months :/
>>41302580>>41302455notice these trans fantasizers never answer the question while shitting up any intersex space they set eyes on
>>41306591this is why we have to have private spaces and remove these people regularly private communities are the only ones that don't get flooded with trans bullshit to the point nothing intersex remains.
>>41306879cry about it. transsex people have no spaces
dear coping tranniesthere was no missing my bodily differenceit impacted my life in ways you will not understand, but romanticize and envy because you have dysphoria and social issues if you got to adulthood without noticing, we are not the same; you are not a hermaphrodite, and no matter how you reshape the word intersex, i will not feel kinship with you, in the same way cis women do not feel kinship with you--because of a bodily reality you envy and a social reality you romanticize.
>>41306899then make them instead of trying to use this as an excuse to skinwalk a different category of person, retard
>>41306906>>41306950Most intersex people (if you count minor disorders) are barely different. Though still, can't you acknowledge that intersex ppl are overreprsented among trannies (esp klinefelters-autism-trans) and (Phimosis-hypospadsis-trans) unless if you rae only counting the big rare ones. Also please stop pretending like y'all suffer or anything, troons are hated by far far ore ppl than intersexuals and most of ya'll are happy with your body. So don't pretend like y'all are opressed by troons and oh so persecuted
>>41306950the only reason we aren't included under your category is because we are more oppressed than you
>>41306995klinefelters was never part of the hermaphrodite category and was not generally considered intersex until very recently hypospadias (excluding urogneital anomalies incorrectly categorized as hypospadias) were also not included under the hermaphrodite categorization phimosis is also not intersex, you are an actual moron
>>41307007wow a people who are delusional about other aspects of reality are also delusional about other aspects of reality who couldve expected this
>>41307007intersex isn't a medical category hermaphrodite was intersex *was* based on hermaphrodite, but hermaphrodite is no longer a medical category things that were not classed as a true hermaphrodite or pseudo-hermaphrodite are included under the DSD label, alongside things that wereintersex was not based on many terms now under the DSD label now previously, when hermaphrodite was still used, it pertained to primary sex traits, not everything else that has been recently shoved under the intersex label. secondary sex traits are what HRT is able to modify, and surgery does not have the ability to create true sex organs at this time.
If I was actually medically intersex I wouldn’t feel so disgusted about trooning out for my fetish
>>41307108ok tell that to the intersex anon who called it a category then
>>41307117it said a category, not a medical category. intersex is not used as a medical term or category. it is used as a social term or category.
>>41307150I didn't say medical category or even intersex in my post
>>41307163intersex originated out of a medical categorynothing about being transgender fits the origin of the word intersex--which is hermaphrodite. intersex is a social/community term originating out of a medica category that does not exist, but does exist in specific conditions or anatomies still, that get put under the DSD category alongside things that *do not* fit the origin of intersex/hermaphrodite. what do you not understandyou do not have mixed sex organs transgender was not classed under hermaphroditism you are not intersex based on the origin of the termand transgender is not even classed as a DSD either so you are not intersex based on even the most watered down, modernized, inclusive base for the term you are like some weirdo who has diabetes insisting you sit with the cancer kids because you're both sick
>>41307209tell that to the anon who called it a category you schizoblabber
>>41307221you do not have mixed sex organs
>>41307237cry about it
>>41307254seems more like you will
>>41306838>my recovery was like a few monthsDamn. Sorry to hear that :(But thanks for the heads up!
>>41299185She’s beautiful but not my type“Ew, a subhuman fatty”
>>41306899Transsex people have spaces. They're just all toxic cesspools because transmedicalists suck.Seriously don't you have like 5 different awful subreddits to whine about tiktok psyops in?
>>41299381This is so based.
>>41307718a website where you'll be banned for speaking up against hate speech and misinformation is not a space
>>41307791>transsex people have spaces but their participants love getting banned from polite societyIt's not that hard to not get banned from Reddit.Isn't there also 4chan, but, like, literally any other thread? There's even a thread just for Dr. Powers-approved intersex LARPers: >>41301594
>>41307715I hope she’s not mean to fat commoners like myself, I’ve been trying to diet but I tend to just gain>>41307704Ofc, but no pain anymore in my stomach so that’s a huge positive
>>41307966a website where you'll be banned for speaking up against hate speech and misinformation is not a space.this board is not a space either, every single thread is filled with transphobes/fetishists/fakers like you
>>41308148I get my validation from existing in real life as myself and being accepted as who I am.You get your validation from a diagnosis, but because it's a psych diagnosis you need a physical condition to go with it to feel whole. Which is why you grasp at ill-defined straws like brain sex. What even is that? Am I faketrans if I can do math? How does that work?It's all just internalized transphobia. You need to feel different than everyone else. More justified in tour transition.Which one of us do you suppose is happier?
>>41308291I don't need validation. And your stance is very ironic given how in an alternate universe, you'd be called an "intermedicalist" with internalized interphobia.
>>41306906>if you got to adulthood without noticing, we are not the samecaster semenya didn't notice until she was an adult, but is absolutely intersex. intersex and trans are different i agree, but this isn't the relevant distinction
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im a woman with complete genital insensitivity and i always wondered if its related to being intersex but ive found so little material on this and everytime i bring it up people try to gaslight me with "oh its normal for women to have little senistivity in their vagina :)" i lack sensitivity evryhwere you dumb fucking whore i dont feel shit in my clitoris. for context i have a rare variation (persistent urogenital sinus, basically my urethra isnt located where its supposed to be and joins one channel with my vaginal canal) but since this is a very uncommon abnormality theres not a lot of info on it. i also feel alienated in intersex spaces because everyone has this dramatic backstories about being persecuted and forcibly put on hormones and i didn't experience any of that shit (which is good im not complaining i just feel like im not even intersex due to not facing any meaningful persecution) also theres a lot of societal stigma surrounding genital variations. like if you reveal that youre hormonally intersex people are more likely to understand and emphatize with you but if you have something wrong with your junk its like your existence becomes inherently uncomfortable to them
>>41308323Sorry must've forgotten an NTA somewhere. I'm this anon: >>41306775I'm not a fan of the weird exclusionist nonsense in this thread. I don't think there's anything wrong with being trans or intersex. But they are different states.Depending on how strict your definition is trans people outnumber intersex people by a lot.I feel a little weird posting here without a diagnosis, even given my history and the presence of scarring, because I don't want to shit this thread up. But continuing this exchange will do that anyway so I'm gonna leave it here:If the next test confirms I'm intersex it won't make me not trans. Not in my eyes. Not in the law's eyes. It won't change who I am or how anyone sees me. It just might finally explain some shit about my life and give me a more complete medical history.
>>41306995Intersex people are mutilated at birth to the point we can't pee or have sex without severe pain, medically raped with dilators so we can have penetrative sex as adults, ritually killed as infants in Africa and Asia, face all the same transphobia as y'all do, are excluded from trans communities, have less rights than trans people, and are treated like shit in LGBT spaces with experiences ranging from shunning to fetishization. But sure we're not oppressed. You're just a jealous tranny. Picrel
Also of course troons are shitting up the ONLY intersex thread on a 90% tranny board saying we're not oppressed and there are "no trans spaces". Of course there are, you've taken all of ours
>>41308561dude youre shitting it up even further by arguing with them. no one cares about this discussion we've had it over 1000 times
>>41308561last time I checked there's no Intersex in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender so I think you're the one shitting up spaces
>>41308572nta but i feel like it wouldnt make sense for lgbt not to include intersexuals since we most of the time face simmilar if not identical issues to trannies
>>41308561why does intersex want a space in lgbt? it's a medical condition, it's like do we need to add a D to the laborious long acronym for diabetics? trans doesn't even make sense in this space for the same reason. like if you're intersex and identify as gay, then just hang out with the gays.
>>41308586no you do not, just ask all the trueintersex intermedicalists in this thread! make your own space!
>>41308612>just ask all the trueintersex intermedicalists in this thread!i do kind of agree with them but only partially tho. like even if being trans is BRAIN INTERSEX or whatever the fuck there still should be spaces that are exclusive to those who are physically intersex. tho we do hhave simmilar issues and break the standart notions of what it means to be a woman/man just by existing as ourselves so thats why both trannies and intershits should be included in the acronym
>>41308673>intershitsSo many shits!I'm an ancientshit luckshit maybe intershit and I'm ordering Indian food so I'm about to have the regularshits
>>41308561what are you mad about? try putting into words the exact harm you've experienced due to trans people being acknowledged as intersex
>>41308326because caster is from africa and also an athlete who could ignore never having periods and being buff as fuck / all the other signs of 5-ard caster probably did notice her body just like i did, but did not understand why her body was atypical/came to the wrong conclusions as to why. if you didnt have some really atypical shit during puberty, you are probably coping.
>>41308673the brain is not a sex organ.
>>41309033Sure it is. It literally participates in reproduction.
>>41299064I was diagnosed with PAIS type 1 I think when I was 14 bc I developed breasts. It wasn’t caught when I was born bc I grew up in a redneck family and was literally born in my house.My parents didn’t really tell me what it was but I was getting made fun of for having breasts even though I was skinny in middle and high school. It was really horrible and I felt like a freak bc of it. I ended up transitioning and now I have very large cis looking boobs and I’m happy about them but it took me a long time to come to terms with bc I was so bullied for having them. It’s so funny how something that was such a curse is now a blessing Pre transition I kinda looked like a masc tboy
>>41308940The only thing I'm mad about is someone saying intersex people aren't oppressed when it's factually not true. When trans people are called brain intersex I don't get mad I just think it's retarded and roll my eyes. Denying the lived experiences of intersex people really grinds my gears though especially when we have legitimately less rights than trans people
>>41309257The thing is "gender" is different from sex in the sense that gender is basically just our social roles, that's why being transgender is different from intersex because while there are intersex disorders caused by the brain (hypopituitarism for example) they're not the same as not liking the gender roles you've been forced to reenact. Transgenderism is more similar to BIID, bodily integrity identity disorder, than DSDs imo.
>>41309898Not really, no.
>>41309904You can't expect me to change my mind if all you say is "nah"
>>41309257It literally is not a sex organ by definition. It is not a primary sex characteristic aka sex organ. You are retarded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_organ
>>41309898accurate >>41309904cope harder, seething troon
In animals (including humans), the male sex organs include the testicles, epididymides, and penis; the female sex organs include the clitoris, ovaries, oviducts, and vagina. The testicle in the male and the ovary in the female are called the primary sex organs. All other sex-related organs are known as secondary sex organs. The outer parts are known as the genitals or external genitalia, visible at birth in both sexes, while the inner parts are referred to as internal genitalia, which in both sexes, are always hidden.
>>41309303I think feeling like a freak for being different especially in a rural small town is incredibly demoralizing in life and moving forward. Like the feels sucks, having to always hide your body or wear compression clothes :/ like I hated having to hide curves under like 10 layers daily
>>41309898This is dumb semantics but my short answer is: no. My own dysphoria was very body-centric and while I dress differently now clothes weren't the point and clothes couldn't improve my dysphoria on their own. And I definitely haven't gone out of my way to tune my mannerisms or change hobbies or whatever it is people think defines gender. I didn't even really have to voice train because my voice didn't drop. I'm just me but healthier and with bigger T&A.BIID is a crazy stretch and has literally nothing to do with social gender roles. Women aren't disabled men.One of my closest friends describes me as a chapstick lesbian. I'm kind of half-assing the gender role part desu.Intersex and trans are different I agree. Not every trans person is intersex. The majority of trans people are probably not meaningfully intersex. "Brain sex" is bullshit until proven otherwise.>>41309303I showed a photo of me from my early 30s to a friend and he told me I looked like I'd been on testosterone for a year. Kinda funny to me in retrospect.
>intersex thread>full of posts by and about tranniesevery fucking time.
>>41313910what are all the flags on this
>>41314247>>41313910intersex flag is holding the ovotesticular flag (also called ambigonadal). https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Ovotesticular
>>41313910>>41314247>>41314259The one beside it is the hyperandrogenism flag (IE: PCOS, CAH, etc.) https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/HyperandrogenismBut I am not sure what the flag its holding is. Anyone know?
>>41314247each one represents attention seeking and the desire to feel special
>>41313910>>41314259>>41314290I don't know what type of transgender flag the one with a square on it is (anyone else know?), but the flag it is holding is the shitty appropriative "transintersex" flag. https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Transintersex
>>41314292so does this one!
>>41314452yeah, they all do
>>41314452>>41314346>>41314290>>41314259Like I know I have a learning disability but this all feels excessive to an insane degree. Like people can be>intersex - born with a variety of physical conditions related to sexual function/ development/ or hormonal production or lack thereof>there are a wide variety of conditions, and methods in which to be tested for these conditions please see a doctor >one can be intersex and be cool with themselves and their body>some can be intersex and have unwanted intervention to “correct” the issue, this happens in infancy/early development >some intersex people have other health problems related to their diagnosis’s >some intersex people decide that they want to transition to better align with how they feel or want to present themselves >not all intersex people want to change how their bodies are>just because somebody is trans doesn’t mean their intersex
>>41314855>just because somebody is trans doesn’t mean their intersexall the scientific evidence does support the idea that they have functionally intersex brains in some regions and networks, similarly to homos
>>41316474>the gays are intersex>women who can do math are intersex>I ate mommy's birth control and now I'm intersexI'm familiar with the research and I actually do believe for at least a subset of trans people there's an underlying neurological/biochemical basis.What I don't believe is that it's well understood or that any of our ideas about the sexed nature of brain regions or their implications are even half-baked at this point.The more distant and the more unreliable dimorphism gets the more we should be suspicious of labeling variation as intersex. Are men with narrow jaws intersex?For fuck's sake we've got Dr. Powers pushing a theory of brain masculinization based on rodent sexual behavior. Specifically a reflex absent in humans. Y'all are off the rails.Meanwhile transmeds aren't happy being transsex anymore so they gotta justify their transitions to themselves by stomping all over a tiny and often abused community that faces many of the same legal and social hazards you do.Please see what gender abolitionists have done to your community and realize you're doing the same thing here.
>>41316664>stomping all over a tiny and often abused communitybut who is actually doing that, and how?
>>41316664>and when everyone's intersex... no one will be
>>41316869>I've felt weird seeking a diagnosis, specifically because trans people thinking they're intersex for no real reason is kind of a memewhat did someone else do that actually made this harder for you?
>>41317053I'm not trolling - I'm trying to get you to understand that you're blaming someone else for something that they're not at fault for when you're being discriminated against and under-served by others instead
I hate being this person, but what hobbies do other intersex people enjoy? >picnotrel, I drew puppies while half paying attention during a meeting today
>>41317076Picrel I took out of a car doing 70mph. I was the passenger.I'm into photography. My favorite photos are of people but I won't post them here. But I love this one too.
>>41317985>understandable about the peepsThat’s gorgeous! Like you have a great eye for composition, dark room or digital?
>>41317076I used to be into digital photography. I play a lot of table top games and RPGs. Work on cars and motorcycles as a side projects, side hustles, and just for fun. Like painting minifigs, and a few other things. I'm not super exciting.
>>41318275I do a lot of painting and sculpting for original resin figurines, but I’ve gotten super big into making vintage Japanese model kits, my weekday job has me touching really expensive books/magazines/comics etc and I get the need for find a zen motion , btw the picture is really pretty! National park?>wip progress picture before a show I went to in ny this year
>>41301519sorry i deadass went somewhere w/o internet for a few days after posting, but it's a scar on my chin, of all things, because I keep growing cysts everywhere. not that related to my condition (yet kind of is if we count the beard and autoimmune shit as a symptom I suppose)
>>41299064dude i found out i have fucking mullerian ducts like 2 days ago.I'm going to fucking kms this is so stupid. another thing for doctors to freak about, its not just the phimo and the ovotestes anymore.
>>41318503Keen eye. It's from the top ridge of a hiking trail in the smokey mountains. Have one of my more recent minis.
>>41318107Thanks!That was digital, with a really old Nikon DSLR.Part of me misses film and I might get some sort of camera for it one of these days.>>41318275<3 Pretty!
>>41318599I loved visiting the Smokey mountains, it’s been over five years since I did a trip down to Asheville, I got to drive right through them and stopped at one of the look outs <3 I wish though I took photos when I had to drive through West Virginia, literally one of the spookiest places at night lol >>41318601I don’t mind digital due to convenience, however there’s something deeply calming about film and then developing it yourself Here’s about the best/funnier photos I’ve taken, just a little bit for spooky season
>>41313312>>41314855>>41316664>>41316682sex differentiation can be embedded into (or projected onto) a bimodal spectrum; "intersex" is just a useful term to describe people who fall enough between the modes to be clinically significant
>>41299817doesn't it feel weird having your sister's sex organs inside you
>>41319848typically, this just feels delightful
>>41307303I mean you're screeching and doing oppression olympics99% of intersexoids are inbreds
>>41321090seethe harder, perisex troon
>>41318985Somehow that almost looks like a Halloween cereal commercial. It's pretty great!
>>41318985OH! OMG one of my hyperfixations growing up was film processing. Both my parents were photojournalists at one point, and my dad actually owned darkroom equipment. He handed me some expired 120 film to practice loading reels with, and I probably could've recited the E6 process from memory.Sadly I've never actually processed my own film though. Maybe one day!
>>41323287Thanks :3>>41323311That’s sooo cool! I only really started understanding how to process film when I was college, I really wanted to create set pieces or diorama stages for photography. Like one of the things I really wanted to do is make fun photos for magazines or advertisements
>>41324383Oooh that'd be neat! If you still want to I hope you get the chance one day.My absolute favorite thing to do is candids. Pic sorta rel?Also I checked and I found out a local camera store actually sells darkroom equipment and chemicals. Contemplating...
