Why in the hell do women want to become men? Are they actually crazy? Imagine getting lucky and being born female and then wanting to get rid of it. Insane.
>>41322609Because niggers like you are not reasonable or respectful with women. Maybe just Kys idk
>>41322609Because being a woman is stupid>Bbbut if you open your hole to the world someone will pay your rentI don't want to do that
>>41322609Some of them are born goated, that's just the way it is.As a nigger that is reasonable and disrespectful with women I applaud any woman that harnesses her will to bend the world around her to it. This demure shit incels have convinced themselves has any bearing on reality is just an extension of their insecurity and inexperience.
>>41322620What do you mean?>>41322624Why would it be stupid? Life already sucks, but at least you can be born female, why give that away?>I don't want to do thatI didn't say anything about this>>41322669What's so goated about wanting to be male?
>>41322609Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, they probably think the same about mtfs
>>41322609I think I would not have "gender dysphoria" in a hypothetical world where men and women are equal but we don't live in that world and I desire the status that comes with being malefemrepper
>>41322624>pooners:https://youtube.com/shorts/5vcnjxZul8A?si=Yu9aBTApWFn1HjCHOr you know, you just have gender dysphoria.
>>41322609Men are stronger and better looking. They are also never expected to waste their life on useless shit. I don't think you realize just how pervasive the brainwashing is. If you were born a girl, your own family would groom you to work a useless job and strive to be a weak, sentimental, passive retard.Not to mention the sex stuff. It's fucked up how women seem to want to be incapacitated for 9 months.
>>41322687What you interpret as being male is just them being goated. You're blind to your own biases so you refuse to understand what I'm telling you.
>>41322609Because I have a mental disorder and being female fills me with a cold empty hopelessness and there is a hole in my heart which can never be filled
>>41322761NTA>men are better lookingI don't think consensus would be on your side with that>They are also never expected to waste their life on useless shitit's shit that used to be more useful, some of it still is>your own family would groom you to work a useless job and strive to be a weak, sentimental, passive retardhighly situational by family, culture and religion>It's fucked up how women seem to want to be incapacitated for 9 monthssee that's just baseline antinatalism which is like a millennial cliche at this point, if that's all you have to say just admit you can't conceive(pun) of a world where you aren't at the center of it and go to disneyworld for the 7th time this year.
>>41322816>I don't think consensus would be on your side with thatAlright, I'll give you that one with the caveat that the female body stores more fat and can't build proper muscle without roids, which is objectively worse and therefore looks worse too.>it's shit that used to be more usefulIt doesn't empower the person doing it. No matter how many bowls of soup our hypothetical Jane cooks, it will never culminate in power, wealth, or status. No matter how many pillow cases she embroiders with uwu useless flowers decor, she will never build the house or the bed that she will put the pillow on.>highly situational by family, culture and religionMost cultures encourage women to cultivate weakness. Women should be fucking bullied for spending money on piles of makeup, for not exercising, for scrolling insta all day instead of majoring in fucking engineering or whatever.>see that's just baseline antinatalismI'm not antinatalist.
>>41322722> the status that comes with being maleStatus of a shiny clown?
>>41322761Men are absolutely not better looking, a mid woman mogs the sexiest man
>>41323055>gynophile tranny fails theory of mindMany such cases!
>>41323339>Assumptions based on a persons identity You lost bro
>>41322761>Men are strongerNeat, but useless in the modern world.>and better lookingWomen rate 80% of men as below average attractiveness. Men rate 50% of women as below average. So this is just false.>They are also never expected to waste their life on useless shit.Men are expected to work their entire lives to support the household and women make up the majority of consumers i.e they take money from their husband/father/brother/welfare and spend it on mostly useless shit. Every time a man pays taxes they are basically wasting their time and hard work for this useless shit.>I don't think you realize just how pervasive the brainwashing is.All mammals are gynocentric. There simply is no anti-women brainwashing.>If you were born a girl, your own family would groom you to work a useless jobThat's true and all but the girl can just say "no" and that's that.>strive to be a weak, sentimental, passive retard.They tell that to everyone nowadays.>It's fucked up how women seem to want to be incapacitated for 9 months.Vapid antinatalistic rhetoric. Next you're gonna call babies fetuses, parasites or better yet tumors, right?
>>41323405bruh you are straight up retarded
>>41322609it gives them an excuse to like anal sexim all for it
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>>41323438The most retarded thing in the imaginable is a western women wanting to be a man in the year of 2025
>>41322609Why in the hell do men want to become women? Are they actually crazy? Imagine getting lucky and being born male and then wanting to get rid of it. Insane.
>>41323405Physical strength is very important and being perceived as a potential physical threat (or not) fuels most interpersonal interactions, no matter how civil. You have to be completely unaware of social hierarchies to say strength doesn't matter. You also have to have lead a pretty uneventful life. Lifting things and people, working certain jobs, et cetera.>Women rate 80% of men as below average attractiveness. Men rate 50% of women as below average. So this is just false.I don't know why you're posting statistics when beauty is subjective. Men are better looking to me.>Men are expected to work their entire lives to support the household and women make up the majority of consumers i.e they take money from their husband/father/brother/welfare and spend it on mostly useless shit. Every time a man pays taxes they are basically wasting their time and hard work for this useless shit.Now you're just proving my point.>All mammals are gynocentric. There simply is no anti-women brainwashing."...because I said so!">That's true and all but the girl can just say "no" and that's that.How can a girl say "no" if she has been brainwashed?>They tell that to everyone nowadays.No?>Vapid antinatalistic rhetoric. I'm not antinatalist, you just can't read.
>>41323512>Physical strength is very important and being perceived as a potential physical threat (or not) fuels most interpersonal interactionsSure, but strength is heavily nerfed in the modern world because the state, courts & police loom over you if you ever make use of it. It's nice to have but nothing more.>I don't know why you're posting statistics when beauty is subjective.To be considered attractive you need validation from others. Since most women find most men unattractiveness (moreso then the reverse) many men will never recieve this validation.>Now you're just proving my point.Believe it or not being expected to live as a slave working for others welfare is not a +>"...because I said so!"Mammals being gynocentric is just a fact. Not even controversial unless you are some kind of feminist fighting The PatriarchyTM>How can a girl say "no" if she has been brainwashed?Just notice the dogshit living conditions most workplaces offer try to opt out by becoming a housewife. Men don't even have an alternative besides winning the lottery or being born rich.>No?Everyone is fat or let's themselves go because our society is rotten. Nobody in charge encourages healthy lifestyles anywhere. Children are just put into pseudo-prison for 6 hours a day learning nothing and it just gets worse from there. Boys then have it even worse because doing nothing other than sitting on a chair following BS instructions is like torture to us.>I'm not antinatalist, you just can't readOk well creating a baby is more than merely "being incapacitated for 9 months"
>>41322609Every TIF in this thread is going to be fundamentally anti-Kaczynskian.
Why argue about who has it better, my point was that nobody should want to be male even if it's better because being female is much superior
>>41323685That's retarded. you are retarded.
>>41323405>All mammals are gynocentric.You know NOTHING about zoology.
>>41323679>kwejknigger of europe
>>41323685>being female is much superiorthe most succint answer to this was already posted:>Would you rather make 50k working for yourself or 750k working for someone elsepooners desire freedom; seething moids think selling their dignity and freedom is worth more jewish sheckels. pooners have soul.
>>41324375Nta.I don't think womanhood = freebies. For one, extremely unrealistic in the current economy. Secondly, prior to the very short period of history during which American and Western European women were able to marinate at home doing nothing, the so-called 'housewives' had to work in the fields with everyone else. A tailor's wife would make clothes just as well but get zero credit. Even Afghani women these days work their asses off in the villages while men smoke and herd livestock.Thirdly, living on a husband's money is prostitution. I know it offends some people but that's what it boils down to. Being a prostitute puts one in a dangerous position where they are 100% dependent on their patron.So I don't equate being female with your analogy. Women don't fucking get free shit. That's something only terminally online retards believe. There is a small category of women who sell their body to husband in exchange for allowance. It eludes me why they represent the average woman in the eye of some men.
>>41324375>pooners desire freedom; seething moids think selling their dignity and freedom is worth more jewish sheckels. pooners have soul.https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-work-yourself-women-want-flexibility-men-want-control-n774311This.
>>41324357Dog to the system.
>>41324447People also completely underestimate how much time and effort the average housewife put into cleaning, especially prior to in-home plumbing, hot water, appliances, etc. Peoples moms spent a lot of fucking time making sure no one died of disease from wearing, eating, or living in filth.
>>41324524I remember my grandmother going through the motions :-( She would wake up at 5 am, wash clothes by hand, cook, clean, sweep, shop, lug heavy bags from the market. On her feet all day. She genuinely worked 24/7 and was taken for granted until the day she died. It's fucking hell. Being a woman has always sucked, but in 2k25 there is a shaky veneer of civilization separating humans from having to do that again. The moment this civilization collapses, women will be overwhelmingly forced into boring, thankless, damaging, unpaid labor. MTF trannies like >>41323633 will detransition :^)
>>41322609Mental illness obviously after allNo normal person wants to be male for any reason
>>41324580I had a depression era great grandma who was the same. Woke up at the crack of dawn every day, no alarm clock, and did chores and child care most of the day even into her old age, that everyone just took for granted. Had same autoimmune/chronic disease stuff I have now and was undoubtedly in a similar amount of constant misery and ache, but did all of this labor to keep our family functioning anyway. Never had an actual job in her whole life. Was one of the few respectable people in my whole family. Put both her more modern daughter and far more modern granddaughter (my mom) to shame.
>>41322907>power, wealth or statusthe conceit of this is believing that having power over people or being rich is the only way to gauge success which is not the case for a lot of people, if that were true then anyone that doesn't have access to nukes is just kidding themselves. Being able to cook is a valuable skill no matter what you are, embroidery is a hold over from before the industrial revolution and for a while after it, so most poor people needed to make or at least repair their own clothing since it was a serious investment.>for scrolling insta all dayno culture encourages this, you're mistaking culture for companies, are you american by any chance?In any case you can just disregard this without being ostracized, my spouse did and while their family weren't thrilled by it they didn't disown them for deciding to follow their passions.. And they're not even white, most white first worlders let their daughters do whatever they want, I'd argue they're freer to pursue their dreams than the sons at this point.>i'm not antinatalistthen fix your rhetoric because it's failing to make your point, or you don't know what antinatalism is and you should go look up the definition.
>>41325171>Being able to cook is a valuable skill no matter what you areYes. However, should I really explain to you the difference between being a chef vs. cooking for family? Technically both are work but there is this little catch. You are seriously trying to convince me real, tangible success doesn't really matter because vibes?>no culture encourages this, you're mistaking culture for companies, are you american by any chance?Things are so much worse than you think, especially with those under 20.>In any case you can just disregard this without being ostracizedIt wasn't talking about passions. Very few people have passion for electrical engineering or java. My point was, girls are rarely railroaded into well-paid jobs because they "don't need it".>then fix your rhetoric because it's failing to make your point, or you don't know what antinatalism is and you should go look up the definition.I have read Benatar so I know exactly what I'm talking about. I never said it was wrong to have children, only that pregnancy is fucked up. Life is good, children are nice, artificial wombs for the win.Anyway I don't like being a woman because I'm dysphoric. This whole conversation is pointless. I could argue men have it better until I'm blue in the face, MTFs could argue the opposite.
>>41322609Because, dysphoria aside, women are clearly the humiliating sex. You're shorter, weaker, slower, more emotionally unbalanced, you have weird suppurating bodily functions and your body has prominent traits that serve no function at all except to arouse men. And you traded all men's advantages over you for what? The ability to get overpowered, fucked and raise kids. Your body is literally formed for men's enjoyment, not your own; you have the same design principles as a sex doll. At the same time you have full sapience so if you're at all introspective you have to be aware of this every day of your life. And not only that, but you know all men with a healthy self-esteem know it too, and love it. Of course they seethe with resentment. (This is also why so many pooners detrans, they're not actually trans in the first place, just salty as hell about being 4'10" living fucktoys.)t. Cis bi man
>>41323679Transition per se is inherently anti-Kaczynskian. You can't obtain HRT in the neo-preindustrial anprim world, and it's also immoral to try since it violates acceptance of nature. Transhumanist trannies have at least comprehended their attachment to technology correctly. Trooning is an epiphenomenon of industrial progress.
>>41324447>Thirdly, living on a husband's money is prostitution.Its not. It's slavery. Prostitutes rely on a variety of men none of whose payment is in itself crucial and therefore have more freedom than a woman whose pussy is owned entirely by one man. In many past societies this was so obvious that the law recognized it, either by giving whores more liberties or conversely by passing laws to make it less appealing to be a whore. The wedding band is a slave collar, it literally signifies ownership, that's why men didn't even wear one until quite recent times. Hell, until like the late 60s men could get out of murdering their wives scot free if they could prove she'd been shopping his pussy around.
>>41322609who cares, i'm an irrevocably ugly, mentally ill female, i have 0 sexual appeal and i also have 0 desire to breed with a male. i'm completely useless as a female so why the fuck does it matter if i want to remove myself from the gene pool nigger?
>>41327412If you can't even live up tot he minimal usefulness requirements expected of a woman how are you going to hack it as a man?You're right about your question though, it's retarded to complain about people like us not having kids, to the extent that trannyism is inheritable it's clearly evil to reproduce it
>>41327187> You're shorter, weaker, slower, more emotionally unbalanced, you have weird suppurating bodily functions and your body has prominent traits that serve no function at all except to arouse menMen are taller, stronger, smarter, more emotionally regulated and all the rest of it so that they can be more efficient units of production. Do you want your slaves, soldiers, leaders and workers to be short, weak, etc.? Ofc not. These traits are burdens, not priviliges because a man has zero value outside the labour he provides for others. To be born weak and useless and be taken care off regardless is the ultimate form of priviliage, power and value. Nothing else compares.
>>41327412I'm not saying that you shouldn't become a male, but I'll still call that decision retarded
>>41328508>the weak rule the strong actually, they totally don't have to live at the whim of the strong
>>41329406In terms of gender dynamics this is true, yes.
>>41322609because theyre misandrist>>>41322722 is a perfect examplethey think men have better lives on the virtue of being born male despite every single visible and statistical reality saying otherwise
>>41322609wish i had a rapestick
>>41322722I would because I want a penis and have sex dysphoria but besides that I'd probably care a lot less about a million other things.
>>41322609The numbers are the same too. Oddly enough they're like exactly the same amount. Like 0.413%. It's interesting. It's kind of like a clue from the universe. Some algorithm like thing. Makes me believe a creator more.
>>41325372>being a chef vs. cooking for familyirrelevant, cooking is a life skill not aura farming>real, tangible success doesn't really matter because vibesthere's nothing real or tangible about the success you're presenting, hence why people can exist contented without it>Things are so much worse than you think, especially with those under 20again, not culture, companies.That people let company marketing raise their children is an embarrassment sure, but what do you expect from humanity? They disappoint as a rule, all you can control is your investment in it.>My point was, girls are rarely railroaded into well-paid jobs because they "don't need it"so now you need to have your hand held on the way to STEM? it's hard to pass goalposts if you run with them.>I never said it was wrong to have children, only that pregnancy is fucked upIt's hazardous and inconvenient sure, it's still the creation of life>life is goodeehh, debatable>children are niceI've met plenty of little cunts too>artificial wombs for the winJust don't have kids at that point>Anyway I don't like being a woman because I'm dysphoricthat's a bias not an argument>This whole conversation is pointlessno more pointless than life in general>I could argue men have it better until I'm blue in the face, MTFs could argue the opposite.yes you can argue irrationally ad infinitum
>>41327187People really underplay the achievement and sacrifice of creating life down to "you have tits and can't lift as much". retards like you would burn libraries to make it through the winter.
>>41324580>MTF trannies like >>41323633 # will detransition :^)I would probably get a husband because a man would want me for the unpaid labor, so it might actually be an upgrade to my shitty tranny life
>>41329406This but unironically. The submissive is the true dominant in modern sexual relations, because the submissive can call upon society to punish the dominant
>>41322609cissoids are going to see you as a mockery of God's perfection regardless of whether you're mtf or ftm. no matter how much you praise women or men, you will never be a woman/man. all cissoids wish TTD, all cisfoids will see mtfs as creepy predatory men, and all cismoids will see ftms as spicy tomboys to correct. in the end, cissoids are the evil ones. please stop fighting and realize that all cissoids hate trannies and want them dead
>>41322609It's probably not for practical reasons no. So a mental disorder.
>>41322609because they are retarded and think their craving of maleness is gender dysphoria instead of just attraction to men
>>41323339the opinions of gynephiles will always be the correct onesdon't get angry at them, they didn't make the rules
>>41322669I too am a fan of alpha ubermensch women. Absolutely based
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>>41329758>>41331445>>41332759Hoe lotta copin' goin' on
>>41332979>On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/
>>41322722average men dont ahve teh power or influence you think they do. men are labor cattle and cannon fodder.
