I mean if you don't get misgendered and like women friends go to the restroom with you and no one ever gives any indication they know or care then who cares?

After high school or college at the latest you aren't plugged into the latest gossip from every corner of a massive social group. You have your own life and your social circle and family life is small, you don't really need that much from people.

>>41336652
I care because I want to attract straight men. I care because I don't want to be scrutinized

>>41336794

Passing comes down to luck for the most part. How are you going to be sure no one ever clocks you or figures out you're Trans. And why would you want to date someone who would reject you if they knew you were trans? Is that mentally healthy?

I think you should try to pass but not be all bitter about it because it has a chance of leading to a psychotic break where you detransition due to paranoia that YWNBAW. Just be chill badicslly.

>>41336838
I don't give a fuck that I will never be a woman as long as I look like one and I'm perceived as one. There is nothing metaphysical or ontological about being a woman. It all boils down to how you look and how much you're willing to lie. I've learned the hard way that you have to lie, lie, lie. And I wouldn't want to date a guy who wants dick. It makes me feel gross and nasty

>>41336794
oohhhh fuck, brother
you're screwed if you transitioned for heterosexuals

the GAMP bis, though... they're CUMMING for that sweet gock (or inner gock, if you choose to invert it)

>>41336630
In my experience, if you don’t pass people make it really fucking clear. People compliment me online and I get the regular passgen replies but irl I’m only gendered male and called a tranny. Unless you live in like Seattle or some other huge huge huge American city there’s a 99% chance people are just saying what they see.

>>41337422
There are different degrees of passing. I pass to a very quick glance, but not in sustained interactions

>>41337421
if I have any inkling that a man wants cock, I destroy him and make his life living hell

>>41336630
>>41336652
The idea that you don't pass unless nobody knows is false and recent bullshit. Passing is the minimal threshold, not the upper bound. If people give you a pass then you pass, it doesn't matter whether or not they know. Being stealth means that nobody knows except very close partners or family. Stealth is the upper bound where you aren't ever clocked anymore.

>>41337601
Still that is you genuinely passing when you do pass. I just hate hearing wormed no-effort miseryposters talk about how everyone’s lying to them when they get gendered female 99% of the time and face none of the harassment I receive.

>>41336630
ppl will say you pass pre-hrt, and school girls will argue about whether you're a girl or a boy while boymoding pre-hrt, and sales ppl will address you feminine pre-hrt
it can mess with your head, so after a few months hrt, when hospital staff are making things awkward, arguing about ur identity, or are visibly shocked you think it can't be real
when guys ask you if they can kiss ur hand, or kiss their cheek, or corner you and ask if ur single, or try to scout u off the street it just seems like a psyop tbqh
but then something might happen like illness, weight gain, and age, and u stop taking care of yourself, then attitudes seem to shift
passing is a negotiation with the environment, always in flux tbqh

>>41337632
no, you are full of shit. You are stupid. Once people know you were born a man, all they can see is a man.

>>41337686
What do you think that attitudes seem to shift? Meaning that people clock you more? Passing as a boymoder doesn't mean shit. Plenty of people pass as women when they boymode, but once they present as female, all the manly characteristics show up.

>>41337686
I agree that passing is a negotiation with the environment, always in flux, very well said, but weight gain might make you pass. And guys want to desperately believe you are a woman.

>>41337730
well I meant real boymoding like before hrt
a lot of nonsense gets said about passing, but I think being seen as pretty, looking healthy, being young, and not being fat all contribute
so the trick is...
>don't get fat
>don't age
>don't be uggo
>don't get sick
follow that and passing should be ezpz tbqh