>>41379738
That's me, except I was always aware of it so I can't transition.

>>41379738
i miss this anime. my ex liked it

>>41379738
i mean sure, i kind of self-identify as a tranny with agp
but i have no way of knowing if it was agp to make me trans or if it was being trans that made me agp
also i'm pretty convinced that whatever my agp is, it's also present in cis women, therefore idk if that counts

>>41379899
Describe your AGP

>>41379899
If its present in cis women it isn't trueAGP.

>>41379871
I haven't seen it.

>>41379936
any sexual fantasy is way more appealing if i'm a cis woman in it
closing my eyes and masturbating while imagining myself masturbate as a pretty cisf version of myself is enough for me to make myself nut
the fantasy of being the most attractive and the most feminine version of myself makes me feel powerful and perfect, as if i were the ultimate version of myself
basically this idk

>>41379738
>My question is, do you guys think unironically true cases of AGPness exist?
Yes and no. Yes that what you describe exists but no it's not agp. Agp is the essence of transness, the desire to embody femininity and express it and be loved for it is present in all true trans women. This idea is only controversial because straight trannies of yore misappropriated the ramblings of a fetishist to try and legitimize themselves as "real women." MEF/sissy more closely describes what you're thinking of and these people know they are not trans and not women deep down and lie about it in an effort to spread their destructive deviance

>>41380056
I see. I should have written how I distinguish MEF/sissy stuff from trueAGP (if it Indeed does exist).

There are two variants in my paradigm.

TrueAGP 1: What was a sexual fetish evolved into identity. Paraphilia and identification have melded together over time. They now want to fully embody womanhood and femininity but wouldn't have if not for a fetish.

This is different from trans women who merely became aware of their transness through porn or unknowningly using porn as a cope when they're still eggs.

TrueAGP 2: The fetish never rattled the conscious mind but if discovered and addressed, dysphoria and identification would vanish.

>>41380139
>What was a sexual fetish evolved into identity. Paraphilia and identification have melded together over time. They now want to fully embody womanhood and femininity but wouldn't have if not for a fetish
Perhaps I haven't met enough people but I don't believe these people exist who aren't either AGP (trans) or MEF/sissy (not trans, pretending). I think maybe you're in a chicken/egg dilemma.

>>41380172
AGP might repress and MEFsissy can transition. So there is not really one "trans".

>>41380172
>I think maybe you're in a chicken/egg dilemma.

I think you might be right. I question the validity of my transness a lot.

I know this is probably reason to think I'm truetrans, but it doesn't put my mind at rest.

>>41380190
There isn't one type of truetrans, but this train of thought tends to lead to obfuscation, heckinvaliddoodism, and opens the door to fetishists and bad faith actors imo.

>>41380220
I am AGP. What makes it "truetrans"? As far as I know, I fethize womanhood as much as any MEF, I just don't get off on humiliation and emasculation.

>>41380234
How do you fetishize womanhood?

>>41380190
There is one "trans" with many permutations, but mef and sissy are not among them and are their own things.
>>41380199
It's normal to doubt ourselves to some degree. I did the "I'm just agp not trans" cope for a really long time. I could never get off without imagining myself as a dick girl or woman and basically exclusively consumed futa porn for my whole life and stripping and being perceived as a male sexually is so dysphoric for me that it made topping basically impossible even when I was really into my partner

>>41380242
For example, I like to look at women wearing sexy revealing outfits and self-insert.
I enjoy gender transformation erotica or comics.
I sexualize everything about female body.

>>41380271
>There is one "trans" with many permutations

Agreed.

>could never get off without imagining myself as a dick girl or woman

Ditto, that's part of why I doubt myself sometimes. I get off to self-inserting as a trans woman in porn or futa in hentai because there's too much of a mental block between cis women/post-op trans women and my body.

Even trying to makes me dysphoric and sad.

>>41380272
>For example, I like to look at women

Research indicates other women do too.

Self-identified straight women even exhibit measurable signs of arousal to eroticized female bodies.

>gender transformation erotica

Self-inserting in yaoi doesn't make a cis woman a gay man.

As tortured as the tranny's mind is, she still manages to eventually move on from material like this.

>sexualize everything about female body

Are you sure it isn't just an aesthetic preference or an unresolved need to embody what feels real?

>>41380271
>stripping and being perceived as a male sexually is so dysphoric

Also same, hated having my chest exposed at our local YMCA and whenever we went to the beach growing up.

>>41380402
Yeah, I saw that study saying women tend to be often like bisexual. But I doubt any woman would feel like I do, literally wanting to be someone else.

Not sure who moves on, but I didn't and doubt I can, it's consisently my favorite way to masturbate, reading some dumb cliche story about transformation male into female. Now you can prompt AI to generate endless amount of them.

The thing is, it does not feel real or warranted, more like absurd and confusing.

>>41380481
>But I doubt any woman would feel like I do, literally wanting to be someone else.

Gender dysphoria is suffering. The mind finds outlets to ameliorate suffering however it can to protect its sanity.

>but I didn't and doubt I can

It takes time. I'm almost a year on hrt now and still occasionally consume futanari content.

It used to be several times a week pre-hrt.
The thing is, I don't want to be a futanari or a non-op trans woman.

In your case, you consume gender transformation content.

That's textbook truetrans. You probably just need a character who feels relatable.

Someone who was AMAB and is then given a female body that they conveniently don't hate and grow into over time.

You identify with that more than the classical born-in-the-wrong-body-always-knew-they-were-a-woman permutation of truetrans.

It just means you doubt yourself more, which is arguably even more fembrained.

>>41379738
i fit the description. i started hrt primarily because of my gender transformation fetish that i've had since early childhood. once i started growing boobs i got reverse dysphoria so i'm off hormones now. it was worth it to try, but i'm 99% sure that i'm not actually trans.

>>41380592
Oh, wow. That's really interesting.

My underdeveloped boobs give me dysphoria because they don't look like a cis woman's, so that puts me at ease somewhat.

>>41380581
Maybe, but again, I don't see how it is truetrans. To me trans means someone who is behaving more like opposite sex since childhood at least and it's obvious. Not someone who started to want to be opposite sex at puberty and never even imagined it without being aroused.

>>41380617
i'm genuinely considering top surgery now. i really fucked up by taking estrogen. the only time i like having breasts is when i'm horny.

>>41380342
>Ditto, that's part of why I doubt myself sometimes. I get off to self-inserting as a trans woman in porn or futa in hentai
I think the trans journey is about aligning the physical with the spiritual and we come to find those things because it's what aligns with how we want to see ourselves. I don't think it makes us any less trans.
>>41380422
>Also same, hated having my chest exposed at our local YMCA and whenever we went to the beach growing up
Oh yeah I basically stopped going to pool at some point and I thought it was just because I was chubby but even at my skinniest the idea of my chest being exposed was the the most uncomfortable I was ever was with it. Getting gyno from fin has been based tho

>>41380622
>To me trans means someone who is behaving more like opposite sex since childhood at least

The way I see it, some trannies seek to emulate cis women as soon as they have a concept of gender while others subconsciously deny themselves this after being "corrected", or they think they're male by virtue of what everyone else is telling them and what they know about male bodies vs female bodies.

>Not someone who started to want to be opposite sex at puberty

Puberty is when corporeal dysphoria starts to really kick in.

>never even imagined it without being aroused

This I'm not so sure of. Do you mean you get sexually aroused every single time you imagine yourself as a woman or just when you want to get off?

Does your mind never try to imagine itself as a woman when not wishing to get off?

>>41380767
>Does your mind never try to imagine itself as a woman when not wishing to get off?
Well, I am insanely attracted to it and I am a very horny person. So it doesn't take much to get me going, you know. And I hate it.

>>41380699
>I think the trans journey is about aligning the physical with the spiritual and we come to find those things because it's what aligns with how we want to see ourselves. I don't think it makes us any less trans.

Beautiful. I need to give myself permission to see it this way. Working towards completion, one part at a time.

But I guess that also means ontological identification/self-concept (at least when it comes to gender) is more fluid than we think (when working towards the body we need to feel more real).

It makes sense though, we're constantly changing to stimuli in so many other ways.

Or maybe the mind needs to give itself permission one step at a time. Or both.

Sorry, I'm just theorizing aimlessly at this point lol.

>>41380794
>And I hate it
Not that my opinion matters, but a self-hating tranny is a truetrans tranny indeed, even if they do frequently sexualize the female form and have a high libido.

I think most trannies would excuse trueAGPs as long as they're not weird about it in public.

Maybe earnest longing is all that really matters, irrespective of the less savory bits?

>>41380912
If I was trans, I would transition. So what matters is not how much you want it, but how much you need it, if you get what I am saying.

>>41380947
Oh, you're pre-hrt. That's just testosterone fucking with you then. Completely normal.

>what matters is not how much you want it, but how much you need it

We tend to conflate the two a lot. I don't think wanting to kill yourself for not being born a cis woman is necessary to be truetrans.

>>41380991
If I could pass, if I lived in non-transphobic country, if it would not nuke all relationships with people, then maybe I would consider it. Turetrans would not care.

>>41381005
Truetrans absolutely do care.

If they didn't, that would mean every single repper is faketrans, which is obviously not true.

>>41381015
Every single repper and former repper*

>>41381015
Truetrans wouldn't handle a life without it. I am handling it. I don't crossdress. Nobody suspects me.

>>41381029
They do all the time, truetrans reppers and ex-reppers exist.

>I am handling it

I thought I was handling it.

>I don't crossdress

I didn't either; I didn't want to be perceived as a faggot.

>>41381088
Well, why did you change your mind?

>>41381098
I was heavily inebriated one night (alcoholcoping), my dad was nearby, I started crying over the fact I turned 23 and twinkdeath was going to begin any moment (if it hadn't already).

I ended up blurting everything out that way.

I don't drink that way anymore. Looking back, I was not handling it.

Similarly, my high libido and desire to masturbate to futanari have waned considerably compared to a year ago.

That wasn't me handling it either.

>>41381145
Good luck, I guess. I drink a lot but I never break down.

>>41381156
Thanks, you too.

i thought the test for true AGP was simple: did you have agp thoughts as a child

>>41380592
is dysphoria the same as the shame you predict you'll feel having boobs on a malebody
i had developed tiny amount of gyno too but when cd'ing i can kinda forget about being a man so the little bulge felt nice
maybe it's just about things how they ought to be rather than what you ought to be

>>41381539
i thought i had dysphoria at the outset of my transition, but i was just misleading myself. now i have genuine dysphoria over the breasts i grew.

>>41379738
I have true agp I.e. cisgender male with agp. I take estrogen to satisfy my agp but have no intention of ever transitioning

>>41382200
You have no intention of ever socially transitioning? How long have you been on e for?

>>41382156
How do you satisfy your trueAGPness now? Crossdressing?

>>41382156
how big are they and are you living as a man or a woman

>>41379738
i’ve been thinking abt this a lot recently. i think there’s a spectrum from true agp to pseudo agp

true agp is genuine paraphia with nothing else backing it up and is the main basis and can not be truly a transsexual

psuedo agp is just:
trauma response from repression, emotion and identity being obscured and compartmentalized, nervous system being fucked up, desperate seeking of validation. and or just a mild quirk
and can be true trans and very much not the main basis for their identification

>>41380172
yea chicken egg

>>41382337
about 2.5y, I think social transition would brain break me bc I have a male identity plus I would never pass due to height and skull

>>41382806
Agreed, its a spectrum. I'm definitely Pseudo AGP + cis woman AGP.

>>41382876
I see. That's really quite interesting.

>>41379738
yeah but trueAGP gets dysphoria from looking like a woman then gets off to the dysphoria, not to conventional AGP

mostly trans men have it

>>41379738
you can only have trueAGP if you get dysphoria from being a woman and get off to the paraphilia in spite of that or from the dysphoria itself
if you don't get dysphoria from physically resembling a woman you're not a man, you're a confused trans woman

>>41379738
agp exists because men are mentally ill
and they should kill themselves

>>41383393
>mostly trans men have it

I've heard about this phenomenon. Trans men getting off to being degraded as their agab (probably due to internalized misogyny).

Our mental health is so fucked and we'll never see any qualitative research on it because fuck trannies.

Kicking a dead horse.

>>41383379
yeahhhhhh like genuine agps r gross and need to die but like i wanna be called a fag and a good girl and stressed up nice and what ever in like a traumatized attention seeking girl way tho not a moided way

>>41383806
I want to be called a stupid tranny, whore, faggot (by MAGA men specifically on this)...

I definitely think its because of society and not addressing dysphoria sooner.

>>41384002
waiiiiit trueeeeeee and they’d get like mad that they’re attracted to u and that’d make them fuck u harder

>>41384060
Yassss

>>41384355
which maga grifter do u think is hottest

>>41384402
No comment

As long as they're cis, male, heterosexual, white, conservative, transphobic, and southern idgaf.

There's also a bit of an interracial aspect for me since I'm not white.

no, i don't think anyone would cut off their own dick because they find it hot. there has to at least be Some dysphoric element for people to go through with it

if someone wears women's clothes and get a boner, that doesn't entail being upset at the prospect of being a man

granted, there are absolutely malebrainrd trans women who get off to the idea of being lesbians or stealthing and getting away with it

>>41384512
fairsies