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realistically how bad could you fuck yourself up doing injectionsive never done it before so im scared
>>41390792hi hrtgen
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>>41391981if u follow like any tutorial and just be careful youll be fine. look out for coring use sterilized stuff and take your time etc etc
i've been on IM e injections for a lil while now and when i did my injection today a little of it leaked out of my thigh right after pulling the needle outhow can i reduce or stop the leakage after injecting? pulling out the needle slower or faster? what do i need to do differently?
>>41394826look up Z-track method
>>41394826ztrack method. dont inject too fast. pulling it out slower.
>>41394826Like others have said, z-track. I've had issues with that but I solved it by prodding the area to see if there is pain and then switching spots if there is because nerves. Try to inject the needle as fast as you can but not too rough. Push it all the down against your skin and inject. When finished, leave it in for about 5-10 seconds. Then, hold the skin down as you pull out the needle. Have a bandage and a wipe prepared just in case of leakage. You are not losing that much with a tiny drop of E coming out, and it just happens sometimes. Avoiding veins and bleeding is the goal. You'll get better at it. Good luck
>>41396091>>41397417>>41397567is there a similar method for subq?how do you know if it's leaking?i've done like 10 injections and i don't know if i'm doing them right
i shouldnt do subq injections on my thighs if they dont have enough fatty tissue for me to pinch right? been planning on doing subq cuz im still scared to do IM, so i should be doing tummy subq, since there's more fatty tissue?
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What's a reasonable E Valerate dose at the 3 month mark? I want to switch from 5mg E Cypionate every 18 days plus 50mg spiro daily (as per my endo) to diy valerate injections weekly while taking cypro
How bad is if if I don't get my levels tested for years
>>41400912ppl usually take 5mg every 5-7 days
I’m having a crisis, I just checked my year old vial I used twice 11 months ago.And I saw a tiny cloud floating inside, kind of like the thick white bits in cum. Aside from that little cluster the liquid inside looked spotless, then I shook it and it dissipated into microscopic particles.It was kept in it’s protector in my dark cabinet, for months, untouched, the two times I used it I properly disinfected with 91% or 99% isopropyl.I’m like shitting myself because what if it’s infected? I’m starting again in like a week, and I don’t have money nor time to even think about finding another vial, TeaHRT (where I bought this vial) has ceased and I’m just freaking tf out, I read it could be crystallization but like how would I even be able to tell that.I don’t know what to do…
just got blood tests backis 0.21 nmol/L alright for E or should i bump my dose to 6mg per day from 4mg per day?
is 0.4 nmol/L (~115 pg/mL) too high for DHT? should i stop taking prog?
>>41406563that's wayyy too low, you're barely outside cis male ranges. idk why you're on pills just switch to injections, you ideally want at least ~0.75 nmol/L E and more if you're doing monotherapy (which is ideal)
am i meant to pierce my prog pills before boofing them?
>>41406682theorically its in cis women range. but dr will powers for example want his patients to be on <100pg/mL or <10ng/dL. i wouldnt say to stop prog because its not high, but if you want to lower that level even more you could try bica or add dutasteride twice a week. you can search more about that on his subreddit to see why he believes that, i spent some time there when i was freaking out thinking my DHT was too high bc i forgot to convert from pg/mL to ng/dL lmao
is there any difference between injecting EEn every week and injecting every 10 days, using equivalent doses? what would you recommend?
Will 1ml of durateston every 2 weeks keep my testosterone levels stable? I've seen some people take 0.5ml per week or 1ml per week. I don't want to underdose, but just to give you an idea, after over a year on testosterone cypionate, my voice hasn't become masculine. :/From what I know, durateston causes more pronounced testosterone spikes, although they say they usually take it every 3 weeks for replacement, and I take it every 2 weeks. My estrogen is high, and my testosterone is low (according to the test, at 237). Now I've started durateston, and if it's less than 300...
>>41407993less variation on the levels which can mean less mood swings. if the doses are good you wont have any problems on feminization, levels on blood tests or etc, just a matter of mood swings
hi hrtgen...i recall seeing years ago talk of something you could take to potentially increase hip breadth but i don't know what it was. does anyone here know? i would like to try it
>>41409002maybe pioglitazone to help with fat redistribution?
>>41390792how hard is it to fuck up injections? sometimes I think I'm doing it incompetently
>>41405680So nobody knows anything?
>>41409479If you're following proper guides, which aren't hard to find for IM injections, you should be fine. But if you want to have more peace of mind, for IM injections use the z-track method, make sure the needle goes all the way in and check for any leakage of the medication after pulling it out. I don't think you can know if you've been doing it catastrophically wrong outside of getting blood tests, maybe based on how much you bleed and how much it hurt when you did it
>>41406793i have a really bad fear of needles, i couldnt handle injections honestly, i passed out last time i did blood testsim honestly considering going with patches
>>41410773I'm doing subcutaneous, in my belly, sometimes it stings sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes I get a big lump from it and sometimes I don't, it feels very randomI used to do IM but then I fucked it up really badly (blood squirt out) so I switched to subq
Would ~2mg of e every 12 hours be too little a dosage? Or should I probably go up to 4mg?
>>414118972mg of pills every 12hrs is a starter dosage. after a few months (3-6 months) people usually up their dosage to 6mg daily. then some keep on this routine or change to injections
>>41411897>>41411962nta but 6mg split 4x a day works best when you work your way up to it
how low testosterone is too low ??? im on 25mg cypro (half a tablet) every 3 days and my testosterone is at 0.1 nmol/L (around 3 ng/dL) . noticing i get drowsy / tired a lot and im wondering if its possibly linked to my t levels. if thats the case should i take 25mg every 5-6 days or do 12.5 mg every 3 days (would need to buy a 4 way pill splitter) or should i stop taking an AA completely?
>>41406868no i dont think so. if they're gel caps (like the little white ones) you dont need to i think
>>41409164where is the best boysource for it? (us)
>>41412498it can also be that your body is not used to this level of t. i sit at around 3ng total with 0 available and dont have energy problems. imo testosterone absence causing lack of energy is just a psyop to get old men to buy supplements
>>41412564maybe its something else bc my levels have been this low (and lower) for the past year and a half and i havent noticed any issues until a few months ago... kinda hoping it is a low t thing so i dont have to actually go to the doctor to figure out whats causing it
>>41411270Bleeding is usually an injection spot and technique issue. Here's an injection tutorial video if you want to give IM another shot, this is the one I follow and I haven't had any issues with it. https://support.getplume.co/support/solutions/articles/72000544742-all-about-injectionsThey also have a SubQ one if you want to stick with that instead, though I'm going to give a bit more advice on IM injections since I have some experience with them. A little bit of bleeding is normal for IM, if too much came out you probably didn't do in in the optimal spot (vastus lateralis//outer thigh, middle third vertically, see picrel) but even if you do it right you might get unlucky and nick a blood vessel, but it's fine. If you follow the guide, the only concern with blood coming out is your medication coming out with it, which the z-track method helps prevent Even then, if the bleeding or any potential pain bothers you I'd reccommend using the thinnest needle you can, which is going to be dependent on the viscosity of the ester you use. MCT oil has a very low one, so you can get away with drawing and injecting with 25g or 27g needles, others like Castor oil are thicker, so you might need lower caliber needles for them, though I wouldn't go any lower than 23g to prevent vial coring if yours uses a rubber stopperIf you do end up switching bak to IM, I'd stick to the thighs, I've read that glute shots aren't recommended anymore, if you pick the wrong spot you can actually fuck yourself up pretty bad bc of the sciatic nerve, same for delt shots but for a different nerve, thighs are by far the safest spot and if you follow the procedure you shouldn't face any major issues, just do thighs and switch legs for each injection to prevent scar tissue from forming and for the sake of proper absorption
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>>41412793>picHol upSo I CAN inject into the rectus femoris? I always insert the needle at like a diagonal angle in relation to my thigh at the limit of the vastus lateralis I'm confused now
>>41413443afaik speaking about absorption both are okay as long as you do it at a 90 degree angle relative to the injection site, but injecting into the vastus lateralis is waaay more recommended because it's clear of the major veins and nerves you could damage should you choose to inject into the rectus femoris, so just do vastus lateralis imo
>>41413612I always insert diagonally, not top not side, middle ground Can I literal inject into the SIDE of my thigh? Idk if it's risky
>>41413612Also the lateral circumflex femoral artery that runs near the vastus lateralis worries meWhere the fuck is it exactly? So I don't prick it?
>>41413649It's kind of hard to explain without visuals. Imagine a flat plane on your skin where you're going to inject, say 1/2 an inch by 1/2 an inch with the injection site in the middle. Relative to that plane, you should inject at a 90 degree angle. If you inject in the vastus lateralis, the needle would be a bit tilted compared to the ground, but it shouldn't be at an angle relative to the patch of skin you're injecting into
>>41413705The femoral artery doesn't run close to the vastus lateralis, it's deeper and closer in the inner thigh under the sartorius muscle (see the cross section I posted before, its the one labeled Femoral a. and v.). Outer thigh/Vastus lateralis is a super super safe injection site
>>41413705Oh nvm I see which one you mean. The downwards branch of the lateral circumflex femoral artery IS actually close to the vastus lateralis, but it looks to be more under the rectus femoris, or on the edge of it next to the vastus lateralis. So injecting a little bit further out onto the side and not inbetween the RF and VL could help you avoid it
>>41390792can you inject EEn with sq or is there any major diferences with intramuscular? i hope there isnt
>>41414009A little bit further onto the side you mean more downwards laterally?
>>41414021SQ or IM doesn't matter they all work
>>41414639thank you
>>41414551I mean this kind of movement. Same vertical height from hip to knee, moving more to the outside
So how exactly does penile atrophy work? Is there a limit to it? Like, if I don’t masturbate or get an erection for a year, is it possible for my penis to atrophy to size that it is when it’s soft? I’m at 5 years hrt, but I masturbated weekly so I never had much atrophy. I haven’t had an erection in around a month or two and I plan to do nofap for a year.
>>41412498I remember that the first few months when I started E I would get very sleepy and low-energy all the time. It's fine now tho
>>41413443Femoris is a tougher muscle and can hurt more, vastus is nice n soft, easier to inject into
Hello, I'm considering doing diy hrt and someone suggested the following options for me:2.8mg every 3 days for valerateor5.6mg every 7 days for cypionateor5.2mg every 7 days for enanthateI'd like to know which is the cheapest, and if it's effective
>>41418466enanthate is usually a very good choice
>>41417678i stopped masturbating 11 months ago when i started taking hrt and i lost like 4cms of it and i basically cant get hard. like it stats getting hard but it cant keep it hard, one sec later its soft again
I finally got my dutasteride from DashPCT
can you use a vial for 18 months straight
out of curiosity just *how* soon does t production stop when you start hrtand how long does it take for the t you already have in your body to 'flush out'am i understanding any of this correctly at all
>>41425223two or three weeks after i started taking cypro my T was at 30ng/dL already. its now at 17 ng/dL after a year on hrt>>41425191if you follow the recomendations of how to store it and keep it safe and etc yeah
>>41425243>if you follow the recomendations of how to store it and keep it safe and etc yeahi use a 31g needle to minimize coring risk, try to store it in the high 70s. when do i know i have to throw it away just when it's discolored?
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>>41390792Post mtf passoid core ill start!https://youtu.be/JcCq6nxO_Ao?si=R87UAkRqlS52RPv6
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>>41421815Why did you stop masturbating?
Does anyone have experience with or know if raloxifene and tamoxifen permanently stunt breast growth? I want to start HRT but still not 100% sure how much I want breasts yet and I wouldn't like to hurt any chances of them in the future
>>41429889they dont stunt it permanentlyin fact, they dont stop growth entirely, but rather reduce it, which for me really sucks
>>41429769dysphoria, never had high libido before hrt either so i never did it often and the fact i want it to atrophy and stop working
>>41429889does wearing a binder stunt their growth?
>>41430374yes
>>41430374I was told it can if you aren't careful, wearing it for too long, wrong size, too much compression, etc. It can cause scar tissue to form and stunt growth, but that if you follow binder safety it should be okay. I wouldn't recommend doing it anyways, just wear a sports bra and baggy clothes or a jacket on top
>>41390792At what rate should you ramp up your dose to avoid stunting breast growth? Like should you reach your max target dose at 3, 6 or 9 months
>>41390792If I get perscribed and go to an lgbtq clinic. Would that be better than diying it? Plus im poor to pay for the blood tests versus having it be covered in my state.
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>>41433146Nigger im asking a question, go fedpost somewhere else.
>>41433051im not american, but i only use the gov lgbt clinic for blood tests because my endo there is a retard who wanted to hondose me so i buy my own meds and only use it for blood tests
>>41435520Oh I see, how do you stop a medical practitioner from hondosing you? Like could I convince them to up the dosage? Like what do I convince them to start me with?
>>41435520In the same situation right now, what form of hrt and doses are you switching to?
>>41390792How fucked is a trough level of 130 pmol/l and a peak level of 3200 pmol/l on 4mg/week Een?
>>41409002relaxin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaxin?useskin=vectordon't take relaxin it'll make your feet flat or something. Pio works but you gotta eat eat eat when you trake it
This has probably been asked a million times and I can definetly look it up, but I'm just going to ask because I keep finding different answers. What should my estradiol and total estrogen numbers be at? Currently a bit over a year amd on 6mg sublingual and 50mg bica daily if that helps. All I know is not to go too high or too low, but what counts as that is different for everywhere I've looked. I'm getting softer skin, sore breasts, and am in general more emotional where I'm at now, but I don't wanna overdo it and screw myself. Had similar effects when I started and also had similar levels. Sorry for the long post for a simple question, I just want some peace of mind
>>41390792did i fucked up my last 2 injections? subq, everything was fine but then bandaid got all soaked up with something. was it estradiol leaking? how fucked am i ???
>>41435667i tried talking with her and she refused to do things different from the state protocol, which was like 50mg of cyproterone DAILY and 2 pumps of oestrogel (a good dosage is like 4-5 or sometimes even 6 pumps). i simply said ok and did the things my own way and only show up there every 6 months to get new blood tests requests>>41435805i do injections, but im latin american so our injections here that are OTC on the drugstores are EEn + DHPA, which is not the ideal, but it works fine desu. my blood tests are very good. i'm too poor to buy from astrovials for example, which is a good seller to buy injections from. you would simply buy EEn injections from respectable sellers, you can find links to it and reviews on op post and sites like these https://diyhrt.markethttps://hrtcafe.net/index.html
>>41439292bump, i too want to know
>>41435520>>41440005>i only use the gov lgbt clinic for blood tests>my endo there is a retard who wanted to hondose me>2 pumps of oestrogel>im latin americanlmao I think we might be going to the exact same clinic. I already bought valerate from astrovials, and cpa from a pharmacy, though it was hell to find one that had it in stock. I'm planning on also just lying and going my own way eventually doing monotherapy, using the clinic only for blood tests and ultrasounds, take the pills they give me in case of stalled breast growth, and just give away any AA they prescribe me to other tranners
where is the best placeto get pio help meeeee
>>41442373It depends a lot on where you're from. In many countries it's OTC stuff, but if you live in america afaik you can only get it officially with a prescription. If that's your case, from what little I've read, your best shot is begging whoever manages your gender care to prescribe it to you
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>>41442358>>41440005i got a clinic like that here (also latin american), should i just lie my way into getting blood tests, or be upfront with me taking diy injections, requiring just the blood tests without any of the hondosing? dunno if doing that can get me in trouble or smth
>>41442536horrible.>>41442556the jannies should really be banning these faggots
>>41442569I feel like you should test the waters first and see how strongly they react. I'm bringing it up to my endo for the first time next tuesday, justifying it as a way to avoid being restricted to the very limited forms of hrt they have. I'll slowly introduce the idea, if she encourages me not to do it and can't be conviced with slight pushback, then I'll just lie. If you're worried they might find out, take your injection leaving a handful of extra days at the end of your cycle before your test, that way your levels don't seem too high for what they're giving to you. I think any respectable medical professional will freak out if you tell them you want to inject yourself with stuff from a homebrewer and will strongly advise you against it, even if just to clear themselves of any wrongdoing if they're somehow chill with the idea of it. So IF you want to be open about it, maybe hold back that detail. If so, they might ask you what forms of hrt you're taking, plan for that and have a realistic answer. Look up what forms of hrt you can just buy at a pharmacy in your country and present those as your choice. Preferrably one that matches what you're actually taking (EEn, EV or EC)I was planning on being upfront about it, but lying has the added benefit of them giving you meds you might want to use in certain cases, like pills to cycle on top of your injections for stalled breast growth or patches for E1 levels, and now you won't have to buy those yourself. Or at the very least, if you meet a pre everything tranner you can give her the stuff you don't use, most latin american gender clinics I know skip the process if you are already on hrt and refer you directly to an endo, or you can just give them away to other bitches that go to that same clinic for if they suddenly have a shortage
does anyone know if you also have to start on a low antiandrogen dose or is it just high e2 that stunts growth? can I just take 12.5mg of cpa from the start?
