Only AGPs and AAPs experience dysphoria.

>>41405860

Do you even know what those mean.

>>41405860
Agp isn't even real

I was diagnosed with klinefelters in my teens, i blame that for making me a tranny faggot, not gender dysphoria

>>41405842

'First get' is confusing as for a long while I wouldn't really tie it to gender or as dysphoria. I realized at 12 I think. But have always been uncomfortable and dysphoric.

>>41405868
Autogynephilia and autoandrophilia, which are both autoheterosexuality. Dysphoria is frustration caused by being autoheterosexual.

>>41405935
Agp doe not exist. Why are you talking about discredited stuff from the 80s?

>>41405942
"AGP doesn't exist!" say AGPs.

>>41405842
5 (cant remember anything before 5)
mtf
bi

>>41405947
It's been discredited in the psychological community for decades. They were still putting lead on everything when that crackpot thought it up. I have a bunch of pseudoscience to peddle you if you are truly that dumb

>>41405842
I remember being 8 yo and asking my mother to be put into a an all girl's school, not real dysphoria until puberty started to hit.

Did my parents telling me that they were specting a woman affected me? Probably but now she has a daughter who she can feel proud of :3

Like 14 or so, I think I was afraid of boys before then but its hard to tell I might have just been autistic and when I got to be a preteen I was pretty good at being one

>>41405981
Also, bi and mtf. Not pseudobisexual either I was just fine dating a man when I was REALLY trying to still be a real man.

>>41405969
It's really obvious to any layperson who observes enough trannies that there are two types. All Blanchard did was run a correlation analysis against sexual orientation and it turns out the correlation between being a homosexual male and not being a total freak after transitioning is incredibly strong. The typology denial is harming trans people because many studies show stronger results for homosexual transsexuals when the two types are split out into separate groups.

>>41406005
People considered me effeminate in high school despite me trying not to be, but I also have minor autogynephilic feelings. Personally I think its a good starting point, but they can coexist more in the same person than Blanchard believed.

>>41406014
Depends on what you mean by "effeminate."

>>41406005
Well since you are obviously into pseudoscience I have just the thing for you. It's called bloodletting. We can use it to get the ghosts out of your blood that are causing the autism you are displaying currently.

>>41406019
I had a cop mustache and tried being the school tough guy but people still thought I was flamboyant lol. I was dating men the entire time too, but I have gotten the dreaded "euphoria boner" as well so I think AGP and HSTS are 2 sides of a similar thing.

>2025
>arguing with blanchardists

>>41406026
So, male homosexuality is correlated with both low prenatal T and high prenatal T i.e. it's a U-shaped distribution. There are hypomasculine gay men and hypermasculine gay men. HSTS are always, without exception, low T (or low effective T e.g. through androgen insensitivity). If you could grow a proper mustache in high school, then you probably weren't low T.

>>41406027
This shit hole of a board is the only place Blanchard cultusts have anymore. I'm surprised it didn't die out decades ago. This shit is from 50 years ago

Does women in high school thinking I was a school shooter rapist make me trutrans HSTS?

>>41406064
No. It makes you AGP.

>>41406054
I literally was with like 253ng/dL of T before trooning out... I never in my life had a full beard and the best I could do was grow a shitty goatee.

So... I was ruined in utero, no?

>>41406054
Where are the peer reviewed studies on that?

>>41406054
I had my blood tested for some reason and I was very high T, so yeah that would explain it. I still got some kind of dysphoria before I ever tried crossdressing, so I believe in AGP but I think its only like half of it.

>>41406072

How the fuck is that gynophillic. I do not enjoy being a woman or feminine.

>>41405878
But seriously does klinefelters have any correlation with trooning out?

>>41406106
It doesn't. Blanchard cultusts will just make shit up so that they can lump you into one of 2 made up classifications of trans people. None of this shit is even from this century and had no actual relevance

>>41406123
I appreciate it because I think its better than nothing but I think its a bit oversimplistic.

>>41406081
Well, was that amount of testosterone sufficient to properly virilize your body? Depending on when you trooned out, a lot of males can't manage decent facial hair until their twenties, but they do just fine as men anyway.

Most troons are indeed ruined in utero.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.1351

In short: facial masculinity is driven much more by prenatal T than by pubertal T. It's why a lot of early transitioners don't really look like girls: they're normal males, they just developed dysphoria early.

Prenatal T also causes other skeletal dimorphism e.g. the pelvis shows significant sexual dimorphism before birth.

>>41406112
KS is overrepresented among MTFs. It's something like 1 in 600 males but 1 in 100 MTFs. Most people with KS don't transition.

>>41406130
That's actually one of the reasons it's been widely discredited!

>>41406130
Like if we classified every mtf with an "AGP" value and an"innate feminity" value rather than considering them mutually exclusive it could do a much better job at explaining all the flavors of tranny.

>>41406136
Ok so that study is purely on dimorphic facial features due to prenatal t. Where does that study link any of that to homosexuality/transgender?

>>41406136
I was like... 19, I did get some virilazation of the body but some of the characteristics are from my andean phenotype like the wide ribcage. I remember even that I didn't get any morning erections and thought that was a lie, kek.

I didn't even get bad acne from puberty... life is weird

>>41405842
One of my earliest memories is my grandma buying me a doll for Christmas when I was around four years old and I threw it across the room
I only started having dysphoria when I hit puberty, because I was raised in a gender neutral way
Learning of puberty felt like my life was over, I'm bisexual also

>>41406136
Could that be why I look like a gay twink but ended up with a receding hairline super early? Low T in utero made me a an effeminate gay and then during puberty my nuts started working extremely well.

>>41406181
That study provided no link between t in utero and homosexuality. It was only a study on dimorphic facial features

>>41406130
It's been muddied by the increase in early-transitioning meta-attracted MTFs.

Really there are only two reasons to transition: failure to make it as a man, and autoheterosexuality.

Feminine males are overwhelmingly homosexual and are generally not attractive to their partnering targets (gay men). Transitioning enables them to attract straight men instead, who are attracted to femininity. That's what Blanchard calls HSTS.

Autoheterosexual males are heterosexual, but their sexuality is directed at themselves, and having a male body frustrates them to no end, giving them dysphoria because they're essentially forced into a gay relationship from which they cannot escape except by transitioning. Externally this can display in various ways in terms of apparent sexuality. That's what Blanchard calls AGP.

>>41406165
Most troons have normal T and normal male development. Most troons will therefore have masculine faces even if they start at 11. 46,XY males with cloacal exstrophy who are reassigned to female tend to look masculine because they had male levels of prenatal T.

>>41406181
Seems unlikely. Twinkdeath is just a fact of life for most males.

>>41406202
Yeah that didn't address a single thing I said. Give me a peer reviewed study that links t in utero with homosexuality/transgender. While you are at it let's see a peer reviewed study supporting either agp or hsts that is from this century. If you can't then I must assume you are making all of this up

>>41406202
So you don't have any actual studies to back up what you are spewing? How... Expected. It's almost like there isn't any...

>>41405842
I have body dysphoria, does that count?
I'm a guy and I met this cute guy in college, we talked and exchanged socials, and I saw he liked big muscly dudes

I've been lifting ever since, anything to get that peak physique