>troon out and start hrt at 11>still end up looking like thishttps://x.com/IAM41776311/status/1980363162521334159
im gonna go out on a limb and say they didnt start at 11
>>41428205they dideven puberty blockers
>>41428214hondose or gigaunluckshit?
>>41428199lmao imagine still needing ffs after being a luckshit. serves you right.
>>41428214puberty blockers aren't the same as hrt
>>41428222It's always hondosing. The overwhelming majority of doctors do not even prescribe an appropriate regimen that would simulate the hormonal environment of a girl going through puberty.
>>41428199It’s all ogre
>>41428588Its not hondose but bad genes. Look at the mom! There is no t in her system that could masculinize her, thats just how she looks as a woman.You should get the pill that cis women know very well, girls who are bautiful pre puberty end up looking kinda ugly cause their proportions get fucked up by bone growth. Its the chinless little girls who end up as beautiful women.
>>41428214Is there anything proving its her?Cant find anything
>>41428731Look at her face and its obvious that its her
>>41428738It is not?>radically different hair + phenotype
>>41428742Literally looks the same but older. Compare brooke shields at 11 to brooke shields at 30. E does not stop your face from growing, its just stops the moid changes, adult women have bigger jaws and noses than little kids.
>>41428742Hair gets darker as people age, its still curly
>a face carved from a solid block of ham
>>41428804>Fake troons when e does not make them forever young
Moid face comes from prenatal T, not pubertal T.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4614768/Sorry jeeps but you will always be masculinized.
itt: trannies coping HARD with the existence and function of chromosomes
>>41429087She looks a girl, she is just not pretty
>>41429108cope levels: rising
>>41429110Look at normal women you idiot
>>41429114normal women don't look like men like trans women dojust admit chromosomes are what make you look male!
>>41429108She looks like a troon because for jeeps, starting at 11 is too late. They would have to start before they were born. This is the big lie about "trans kids." Early transition just doesn't work for most of them.>>41429114Proving once again that troons don't know what women look like.>>41429125It's not chromosomes. It's prenatal testosterone.
>>41429129it is chromosomes
>>41429131If it were chromosomes then CAIS XY women would have the same problem, but they don't.
>>41429136they do...trannies are just really reductionista quick search will find you that in fact chromosomes can act to masculinize without sex hormones acting upon them
>>41429140I provided a study that showed it's prenatal T. You provided nothing.
>>41429144you can see from these people's appearances that they look somewhat male despite not having testosterone flowing through them you just look like a manic raving lunatic to normal people, denying evident reality
>>41429151They look male because prenatal T already masculinized their appearance. Blockers and estrogen don't reverse skeletal masculinization.
>>41429166they look male because chromosomes are producing proteins in a shape and proportion that reads male to the human eyechromosomes are what determine a masculine appearancechromosomes aren't just sitting idly, and they can work without sex hormones present
David Reimer was an unwilling youngshit and still got called "cavewoman" by his peers, so I'm guessing a good part of masculinization is inevitable even with hormones from a young age, and reliee on genetic luck.
>>41429173No citation provided, just "proteins in a male shape.">>41429174A lot of masculinization is baked in at a very early age. Males get three testosterone surges if all goes well: in utero, minipuberty, and puberty. Troons can only block the last one.
>>41429186what do you think chromosomes do?
>>41429087I'm pretty sure I got lucky with my face, as it was pretty androgynous until late puberty, and now my profile is clocky but my face is still decent from the front. Does that mean I had low prenatal T?I'm bisexual, so I couldn't be HSTS.
>>41429188The relevant part here is the SRY gene which usually lives on the Y chromosome. It bootstraps male development by causing testes to form. The testes take it from there by producing testosterone. If the testes fail to form, or the fetus is completely androgen insensitive, then further male development does not occur.
>>41429189Being androgynous until late puberty doesn't mean much, especially since a lot of people seem to think that e.g. Kpop stars are androgynous when really they're just slender and have good skin and makeup.
>>41429213there are other genes on the y chromosome, besides sry, that cause masculinization since even people with swyer's syndrome where SRY doesn't work, still have masculine physical traits
>>41429239Again, no link provided. You'd be able to show me a study that CAIS XY women are significantly more masculine than XX women if what you're saying is true.
>>41429228Some kpop stars are androgynous, but not all.Really the main masculinization was that my brow area grew and my nose got bigger and my jaw got sharper. It's still not the worst, and my face is round. I've malefailed in guymode on HRT with hair only past my ears, but then I guess so could some of those kpop stars without any estrogen anyway.Whereas David Reimer seems like he looked a lot more masculine from a young age, despite getting on estrogen much sooner than me. That seems like unlucky genetics or higher prenatal T, maybe.
>>41429266Then congrats, it sounds like you could've been a normal male. None of those facial changes had happened to me by the time my twenties rolled around.
>>41428199It's almost like biology has the final say and you'll never be a real woman.Hell you'll never even be a facsimile of a woman, you'll always be a mentally ill man who's been twisted and mutilated by chemicals and surgery.
>>41429359Only jeeps end up looking like that.
>>41429387hsts are (phenotypically) men too
>>41429402HSTS are always naturally undervirilized and look fine after a year of HRT.
>>41428199#1 reason why you should get E right away and not just blockers
>>41429416>and look fine after a year of HRT
>>41429466Anyone with that forehead is not HSTS.
>>41428199>>41428214Who is this woman? I want to look up an actual picture of her and not a chud's hand-picked frame to make her look unflattering>>41429129>Proving once again that troons don't know what women look like.What exactly does a normal woman look like?
>>41429466the only reason why she looks weird here is because she doesn't have eyebrows. if she had eyebrows she'd look totally normal and pretty
>>41429503You can see where here eye rows would be, and it's not good.
>>41429151>>41429166You are both nuts, she looks like a normal woman
>>41429266Kpop stars get literal ffs done to them. They are not normal men
>>41429491amen
>>41429466no no no no noooo Kai nooooo
>>41428638>You should get the pill that cis women know very well, girls who are bautiful pre puberty end up looking kinda ugly cause their proportions get fucked up by bone growth. Its the chinless little girls who end up as beautiful women.interesting
>>41428199I think she actually is very pretty
>>41428214This >>41428461 is the truth. What age did she start estrogen because that's all that matters. Blockers aren't what trans women think they are, you keep growing on blockers.
>>41432056>if only I'd started at 18>if only I'd started at 15>if only I'd started at 13>if only I'd started at 11>if only I'd gone straight onto HRT instead of blockerscopeywnbaw
>>41429186>in utero, minipubertyWhat the hell is minipuberty? Genuine question I have never heard of that.t. roon
>>41432078straight HRT is the normal correct position
>>41428199>blockers do not wockerswell i'm shockers!
>>41429503they look like the butler from rocky horror come on
looking at porn all day long then getting scared that a woman looks regular
>>41429284Thanks? Idk why that gets congratulations. I don't want to be an ordinary male. What prevented you from getting those changes as not an ordinary male? HRT as a teenager?I think my puberty was maybe just a little later. I looked like an 8 year old when I was 12 and I looked 12 when I was 16.>>41430314I think Hillary Clinton became pretty decently attractive and she didn't look underdeveloped as a kid.
>>41428199tbf this is a cropped image and she's stretched out at the edge of the framebut also my bet would be DHT. that backdoor pathway is a bitch
