>>41430800
living as a feminized dude on estrogen is an option
you dont have to identify as a woman

>>41430853
Yeah but I’m not sure if I need it. Maybe I could look feminine with skincare, exercise, and makeup. I felt like hrt was my only choice to be feminine for awhile but now I’m not entirely sure. I’m also scared of estrogen ruining my Libido and balls so I might end up regretting estrogen if I do it

>>41430800
>Are you 100% gay?
>How old are you (if you wanna say)
>Were you ever intimate with someone?
>Since when do you have those feelings?

>>41430800
>>41430879
you will look feminine without hrt to a point and then you will crash and be an ugly man like the rest of your peers
if this is just a phase then that's fine but if you want to not be ugly forever then you should go on hrt
you can identify as a boy all you like but most people will see you as a girl which is a fair price for not being ugly anymore
it's your life idc what you do

>>41430800
i felt the same way, and then i realised i definitely am trans afterwards. that's why so many people say this.

if it helps you decide: remember, you have to grow up. you can't stay in the young androgynous zone forever. you have to pick whether you want to grow up into a mature man, or into a mature woman. it's one or the other.

>>41430918
>it's one or the other
you can take HRT and not identify as a woman
I know thats like blasphemy to people on this board and you dont want to hear it but it's a legit option
you can be a feminine man, just becuase you are not personally comfortable with it does not mean everyone else feels the same

>>41430891
>gay?
I had a crush on an anime girl when I was like ten but other than that I’ve only ever been attracted to men
>age?
18
>intimacy?
I wish, I’ve never even had a boyfriend before sadly
>since when did you have those feelings?
I used to wish I was more masculine when I was a kid, but I think my feelings of wanting to be feminine didn’t start until after a few years of puberty and my body masculinizing. But even then it wasn’t that much and I just wanted to be a femboy. It wasn’t till I looked into the possibility of me being trans that I started noticing those feelings much more intensely, which makes me think that maybe I’ve just been gaslighting my brain into feeling like I want to be a girl

>>41430916
That’s true, but hrt only delays twink death for a few years at most. Even cis women can’t look like young girls forever
>>41430918
I could always just kill myself when I get old, which is honestly what I plan to do. I don’t want to be an old man or an old woman, but I suppose being an old woman is slightly less bad than being an old man

>>41430951
>just take hrt and grow breasts and be a feminine man bro

yeah and then everyone you ever meet immedietly sees you are a tranny

>>41431002
You can bind

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>>41430800
yea you're probably being groomed just like me
posting shit like this on trans/lgbtq829+ spaces won't help

>>41430997
i dont even mean OLD. i mean like 25.

>>41431002
hahaha

>>41431022
I don’t know where else I can post this lol. Other trans communitirs are just gonnna be even more pushy about being trans and even more hugboxxy.
>>41431028
I consider 30 to basically be ancient

>>41430969
You sound so pure, don't get brainworms pls. I'm a gaymasc and I met many twinks and femboys, non of them had bottom disphoria (dunno about you), but they wished to be more fem. Sadly the term "Femboy" is so fucking mainstream and pornbrained now, and many trannies call it trans cope, but you absolutely CAN be a feminie boy.

>>41431163
I don’t have bottom dysphoria. Infact it’s one of the main reasons I’m hesitant about starting hrt because I don’t want to ruin my dick. I feel like I’m so much less feminine looking when compared to all the other femboys I see online, it makes me feel like I need estrogen to even have a chance of being like them

>>41431191
It's okay gay boy, one last piece of advice before I go to bed:
You COULD take e, but just focus on a healthy diet, skin (care, shaving, laser?) and most importantly depending on your genes, hairloss, this will absolutely fuck your mental health, so do some research. And the good thing about being gay? You can always cross dress in bedroom and present "normal" to fem leaning irl. Don't get brainwormed pls, still don't know if this is larp desu.

>>41430879
>>>41430800

if u want to be a femboy, all that means is that you don't wanna be a man. But I've got bad news, dude: unless you flood ur system with estrogen, you're gonna be a man. It's just gonna happen, like it happens to everyone who's born a moid. Are you ok with that?

You're gonna keep getting taller, keep getting wider. Are you ok with that?

Your face is gonna get harder, rougher, longer. Are you ok with that?

You're gonna grow hair in new spots and (likely) lose the hair on top of your head. Are you ok with that?

There's no amount of self-help or diet that can change this fact. Unless you take estrogen, there will inevitably be a day you wake up and see a man in the mirror. Are you ok with that?

>>41431252
I suffer from severe depression so maintaining a healthy diet and skincare is nearly impossible for me. But then again my form is already relatively feminine. It’s mostly my masculine face that I think ruins my body. I have a very strong masculine facial structure and I hate it so much.

Thankfully there’s no hair loss in my family, but the men all are still really tall and have super broad shoulders, I’m really afraid of developing those traits.
But still o guess I’m not absolutely doomed, thank you for your kind words anon

>>41431302
No im not okay with that. But I’m also not okay with losing my libido, having a weird feminized cock, and tiny balls. I don’t want to see an old lady in the mirror either.

>>41430800
is it possible you’re just non-binary?

>>41431117
you're not gonna kill yourself because "30 is old". it won't happen. just stick on hrt and don't do something you'll regret because you think the future won't happen.

you just sound like a trans girl who just has some hangups about woman hood. if you stick on hrt and start girlmoding you'll probably get over them.

>>41430879
>ruining my Libido
yeahh youll be fine itll just take a bit
but yeah if you want to look like a guy (albeit a cute one) then dont do hrt, if you want to look like a half man half woman(???) thing then take hrt
>t. hrt femboy

>>41431363
Maybe, but I don’t want to be. I want to either be seen as a femboy or as a woman. If I’m non binary then I’ll always just be seen as nothing more than “non-binary” by others. I won’t be seen as a boy or a girl. And I wouldn’t be welcomed in most femboy or transfem spaces either since I’d always just be viewed as an outsider
>>41431371
I guess I want to look like a half cute boy half girl. Also What do you mean by “it’ll take just a little bit”?

>>41431347
there are some technical solutions to that though, like microdosing T, T-gel on balls, prog...
nta but this grooming meme needs to stop. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. We don't really care. A lot of people including me have had their lives saved by hrt and admitting their transidentity, so they'll be strong advocates for that, but that doesn't mean it's the same for everybody.
If you're unsure, write the idea down, avoid all lgbt spaces for like 6 months and go back to it.
We all know the result but at least you'll be sure of it. Also most of hrt effects don't start appearing until 6 months to a year and most things are reversible except boobs

>>41431443
> Also What do you mean by “it’ll take just a little bit”?
on estrogen (or more precisely anti androgens) your libido will go down but after almost 4 years of estrogen i am still a raging sexpest that harasses unsuspecting chasers. It just takes time to normalize

>>41431347
Losing your libido isn't a guarantee and progesterone can bring it back in force - I believe topical testosterone gel can also with this.

shrinkage can be prevented. Penile atrophy occurs as a result of lack of use, as long as you keep using it you'll be fine. Again, testosterone gel can prevent this.

Look, you're gonna see an old person in the mirror regardless, you aren't gonna be young forever. Nobody wants to see an old lady/man in the mirror, not even most old ladies/men.

You've only got like, a decade, maybe two to be young. Once it's gone, you don't get a do-over. If you choose not to take estrogen, you WILL turn into a man. But it's not just that you'll turn into a man - You're only going to get increasingly masculine as you age.

There isn't gonna be a point at which you find yourself as a twink who's kinda unhappy about his jawline and then just stop aging, that twink is gonna turn into a regular dude, then that regular dude is just gonna keep getting rougher and hairer and wider, forever.

Is that ok with you?

Look. I get that starting estrogen is a scary experience. But unless you stay on for a long time, all the effects are reversible - there's a reason troons like me need to take it for the rest of their lives.

At the very least I think you should try it out. Just experiment with it. See how you feel. If you like the effects, keep going. If you don't, stop after a few weeks/months, and you'll be none the worse for wear.

But don't let people fearmonger you into avoiding it, and don't let yourself get tricked into thinking you'll stay fem forever with "the right diet" or "proper skincare" or some bullshit. There's only one way to be feminine forever, and that's to take feminizing hormones. Simple as.

>>41431498
NTA but yeah considering hrt has barely made an effect on me passing as a woman, there really is no harm in trying it. The worst part is having to be a guy with tits if you stop too late but even that is whatever

>>41431493
Yeah sorry, grooming wasn’t really the right word for me to use. Putting myself in an echochamber is more accurate to what I meant to say.

As for microdosing T and T-gel, there’s so much conflicting info about it. I’ve heard some people say it prevents the feminization of the genitals which I like, but I’ve also heard people say that it only prevents erectile dysfunction, I’ve even heard some people say that it messes up your hormones like menopause. Idk what to belive.

If anyone here uses t-gel please tell me the effects it had on you and if it’s worth doing.

>>41431495
That’s comforting. Do you know roughly how long it took?

>>41430891

>how old are you?

Obviously the person is about 12 given their typing style -_-

>>41431523
Yeah I'm a year on HRT myself and all it's really done is make me look like a teenage dude with tits. :/

>>41430800
>I’m scared that I don’t actually want to transition
Most trannies feel this way
>>41430853
Everyone who does the "feminine man" cope winds up wishing they were some kind of woman anyway

>>41431561
> Do you know roughly how long it took?
I think the first 6 months were the roughest for me. Inconsistent dosing, getting used to hormones. It was terrible. I kept throwing myself at terrible people in an attempt to fill that void until it broke me. I cant say for sure when i got stable, i got out of an abusive relationship 3 years ago and ever since then ive been fine (both emotionally and libido wise) so id say it takes like a year for you to stabilize but YMMV

>>41431656
I’m so sorry you had to go through that. I can’t imagine how horrible that is.
>>41431611
Exactly the problem that caused me to make this whole thread. Any possibility other than being trans is instantly shot down without any critical thought and instead insist that me being trans is the only possibility

>>41431777
Hey don't shoot the messenger. If this is really bothering you find a trusted friend or a therapist to talk about it with. Nice trips btw

>>41431802
The message itself just feels wrong and echo chamber-y to me. But I didn’t mean to come across as mean, sorry. I did actually talk to my therapist about this once but she’s really old and calls transitioning “tranning out” so I doubt she’s someone I should be getting advice from when it comes to gender issues. If I had friends then I probs wouldn’t be on 4chan in the first place lol :p

>>41430800
Stop femboy genocide, stay a cute little feller

Also how were you groomed?

>>41431973
Thank you :3
Also grooming was just an mis-wording. I meant to say something more akin to “being reaffirmed that I must be trans in denial”. I definitely shouldn’t have used the word groom lol

>>41430800
Some thoughts about internalized ageism getting caught up in anxiety about whether or not to troon.
The whole "I'm gonna kill myself when I turn 30/25/19 bc it's over" is retarded. I'm currently in my mid 40s and transitioned at 21 (youngest you could realistically do so at that time unless you ran away from home as a minor and found a way to diy).
I dated cis men most of my life, married one for a long time, divorced a few years ago. I'm presently dating a younger woman and the age gap makes me way more insecure than it does her- she constantly remarks on how beautiful I am and is understandably frustrated when I see myself as lesser for my age. I'm still pretty frequently hit on by both men and women to a point that she finds simultaneously amusing and annoying.
I take really good care of my diet, skin, keep in shape, and don't do drugs.
Every age milestone I hit- 21, 25, 30, 40, I panicked that my life was over and no one would ever want me again. Time and time again life has proven me wrong.
Take the best possible care of your body, be a happy and interesting person, and people will desire you.
The question here isn't what you'll be like when you're older, it's whether you want to be older as a man or a woman, and if it's as a woman, you'll want to be as passable as a trans woman as you can, which means starting as soon as possible.

>>41430951
i'm not talking about identity i'm talking about your body. lots of young trans girls want to stay looking cute and androgynous forever and i'm saying it just doesn't work like that.

>>41431022
>pic
me on the right and anons on the left

>>41432542
OP here, I can’t take care of my body due to severe depression. I can rarely get out of bed or even brush my teeth. So I’m gonna be ugly when I age. Nobody’s gonna want to date me once I’m older than 21. I’m gonna look like a hideous disgusting hag. That’s not to mention all my potential to pursue careers or develop any talent fades each year. I’m a talentless loser. Plus nobody is gonna have any patience or empathy for me once I’m old enough because they’ll expect me to be “mature” and nobody will be accepting of my mistakes or my issues anymore. My life is genuinely fucking over by the time I turn 30

Lmaooooo kill yourself please

>>41432609
PLEASE PLEASE TwT