A twitch streamer was recently allegedly hugged without her consent. She says she's a victim of sexual assault and has received emotional damages, people are talking about lawsuits and extremely large amounts of money being owed to her by the man who allegedly hugged her and twitch itself for failing to adequately protect her. The laws in the United States seem to be written in such a litigious way she may have a case and be owed hundreds of thousands of dollars. But this twitch streamer who was allegedly assaulted isn't vegan. She regularly pays for hens to be debeaked without anesthetic, male chicks to be thrown into blenders on their birthday, piglets to be castrated without anesthetic, pigs to be put in gas chambers, cows and calves to be separated right after birth, pigs and cows to be raped / artificially inseminated, etc etc. Isn't it hypocritical for her to say she's a victim and deserves restitution (like a lawsuit and money being given to her by twitch and the man who allegedly assaulted her) and retribution ( like the man who allegedly assaulted her being imprisoned) while she is paying for so many animals to be horribly abused? I think this woman doesn't deserve a penny in restitution. I believe all of her property down to the clothes on her back should be confiscated from her, liquidated and given to HER victims. https://animalcharityevaluators.org/https://sharkonline.org/http://anonymousforthevoiceless.org/>but murder isn't that bad ALL MURDERERS SHOULD DIE IN PRISON. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_Bn9SRXNU>but how do you know animals can feel pain?We can assume other adults, children and some animals can feel pain based on things like brain structures they have and behaviors. Claiming pigs, piglets, cows etc can't feel pain is really no different then claiming babies who are circumcised without anesthetic can't feel pain. (Obviously it's also immoral with anesthetic)
>>41431583>but she's "human" and farm animals aren't "human" so we don't have to grant them rights https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTraitThis dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-Mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9Ahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3DIf someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)A single individual choosing to purchase meat or not purchase meat DOES make a difference. Individual boycott means the difference between life and death for between 1-900 chickensLots of evidence of thisI know individual consumer boycott does make a difference in sparing chickens lives Like in the first five minutes of this video https://youtu.be/brKhhZlUoOc?feature=sharedhe discuses a study that shows the average consumer has a 90 something percent chance of causing 1 - 900 extra chickens to be bred into existence tortured and killed.https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gGSmNv-8YQCastrating piglets is extremely painful just search piglet castration diy no anesthetic on YouTube and you'll find lots of videos of farmers recording themselves castrating piglets and pigs. This is very common everywhere from large factory farms to small family farms.
>>41431610Debeaking is common in factory farms. Animals being selectively bred to grow too big too fast is common. In USA, UK, Australia, etc almost all animal products come from factory farms. https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
wrong board?
>>41431630noThis is about gender and sex stuff she says she was sexually assaulted
>>41431630dam vegans up to it again i’m pretty sure albert einstein ate chicken so im going to, too
>>41431650He was speciesist and racist and hated Chinese people
>>41431655no shit? do you think if he was born now he’d still be racist?is a speciest like a human supremacist? i’ve never heard of that
>>41431583how is this at all lgbt related anhon
>>41431642this board is specifically about Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transes. Not about all sex or gender you retard.> woman does something so its gender related
>>41431676Yes. Carnist is another word for that >>41431685gender and sexuality is involved
>>41431704all women are lesbians and some also like men
>>41431583good thread and thank yoi for raising awareness on multiple interlocking issues
>>41431770Thank you very much! You're very welcome Anon
>>41431720i will eat a chicken wing for you anon
>>41431583This thread is like going to the psych ward and realizing there are people a million times crazier than you
>>41431804I'm not crazy
>>41431629>>41431610>>41431583>b-but muh animals are heckin people are literally heckin literal people!!!vegans suffer from profound mental retardation and should've already died from malnutrition but we HAVE to keep them from dying by making supplements for these niggers, why?
>>41431610>they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan.They don't need to, because it's simply not in the nature of our species (or any primate) to cannibalize or feed off the dead, because 1. we find that instinctively disgusting 2. many humans carry diseases in their meat that are deadly to other humansyou're a stupid faggot and I'm going to get a mixed-meat kebab because of you
>>41431993I could survive without supplementation. Oysters, seaweed, vitamin D lamp or sunlight and a whole foods plant based diet
>>41431707the guy has sex with animals?
>>41432020>oystersthese are animals too>vitamin D lampdoesn't work>whole foods plant based diet90% of you claim you're doing that, yet look like Holodomor starvation victims
>>41432012**Food Chain/Naturality**The anti-vegan's core deflection here relies on an appeal to nature: claiming cannibalism (even of the severely disabled) is off-limits because it's "instinctively disgusting" and not "in the nature of our species (or any primate)." This is a classic appeal to nature fallacy, which the Name The Trait argument directly dismantles by showing that "natural" or instinctual disgust has zero bearing on moral justification. Just because something feels gross or evolutionarily wired doesn't make it right or wrong—it's irrelevant to ethics.To respond effectively using NTT:- Point out that their "instinct" or "nature" is the trait they're implicitly naming to distinguish humans from animals (e.g., "we're wired not to eat our own kind, but animals aren't 'us'"). But this crumbles under scrutiny: if disgust/natural aversion is the moral line, then plenty of "natural" horrors (like infanticide in some species, or even human historical practices like ritual sacrifice) would be ethically fine if they feel "instinctual" to the group doing it. - Hit them with a quick reductio: "So if it's okay to eat animals because it's 'natural' for us (predators at the top of the food chain), why stop lions or wolves from eating humans when we're 'naturally' lower in their chain? Or super-intelligent aliens/AI from farming us? And if a society evolves to find eating the disabled 'natural' and non-disgusting (like some historical cannibalistic groups did with the vulnerable), does that make it moral?"- On the disease point: That's a practical health risk, not a moral argument—it doesn't justify exploitation any more than saying "but cholera spreads in poor sanitation" justifies slavery. Veganism avoids this entirely by not commodifying sentient beings.This forces them back to P2 of NTT: either name a real morally relevant trait (which will likely bullet-bite into absurdity, like low intelligence for the disabled) or admit inconsistency
>>41431583You’re on the wrong board. Only animals we care about here are puppygirls and catboys. Also fuck veganism and fuck animals. If you’re lower on the food chain, you deserve to be my meal whether harvested humanely or inhumanly. Should’ve evolved better!
>>41432031sperti vitamin D lamps do work and blood tests and research shows this Oysters aren't conscious
>>41432072so fish are conscious but somehow oysters are not?least retarded veganoid>>41432054>"natural" or instinctual disgust has zero bearing on moral justification>would be ethically fine if they feel "instinctual" to the group doing ityeah that's how ethics work nigger. If we naturally killed off sick young, we wouldn't write it off as "unethical" because fundamentally, ethics are a human-made concept. They don't exist in animals.>human historical practices like ritual sacrifice They were done as a desperate attempt at stopping natural disasters/getting better crops as a natural consequence of believing in a supernatural being - the belief was that offering some lives would "calm" the god, and in turn, save the rest of the population.>lions or wolves from eating humans when we're 'naturally' lower in their chainWe are not. In fact, we've developed things that put us on the top of it, if not outside of it altogether.>any more than saying "but cholera spreads in poor sanitation" justifies slaveryThat doesn't justify slavery it's an argument against it>Or super-intelligent aliens/AI from farming us?What if the word was made of pudding?>if a society evolves to find eating the disabled 'natural' and non-disgustingIt wont, unless the act is done out of desperation. We usually don't judge people that while stranded decided to eat the body of their companion, because the choice they had was between death and eating it.>This forces them back to P2 of NTTIt does not and you are still a reddit NIGGER
>>41432232lolfish have brains. Oysters don't. It's possible fish aren't conscious or can't feel pain but I highly highly doubt it >If we naturally killed off sick young, we wouldn't write it off as "unethical" because fundamentally, ethics are a human-made concept. They don't exist in animals.No. If we killed off babies with down syndrome many would say that's unethical. Ethics are made by human adults who can reason and apply to other human adults who can reason, baby humans who can't and baby piglets who can't. >That doesn't justify slavery it's an argument against itNo. If enslaving people who didn't use running water reduced disease it'd still be wrong. >What if the word was made of pudding?So you're dodging and refusing to answer if it'd be immoral for a highly intelligent completely atheist alien species who evolved to just torture murder and conquer to come to earth and treat humans how we treat cows?
I think you're based. Idk who this streamer was but it's actually hilariously insane to sue over being hugged, get the fuck over it retarded foid. I think we should put carnists in gas Chambers and treat them exactly like they treat animals. t. worlds basedest mtf
>>41432506Based
>>41432352>No. If we killed off babies with down syndrome many would say that's unethical. Ethics are made by human adults who can reason and apply to other human adults who can reason, baby humans who can't and baby piglets who can't. That doesn't disprove my point nig nog>No. If enslaving people who didn't use running water reduced disease it'd still be wrongHow is enslaving them logical? If you gave them better living conditions, an argument could be made but otherwise ???>So you're dodging and refusing to answer if it'd be immoral for a highly intelligent completely atheist alien species who evolved to just torture murder and conquer to come to earth and treat humans how we treat cows?I am not dodging, i am pointing out you're creating a scenario that is not going to happen, at least for the lives of both of our full bloodlines. There's a higher possibility that the sun will explode during my normal day right after winning a lottery ticket than of this happening. There is no point arguing about fully imaginative, retarded scenarios
>>41431583Youre based but ?how is this related to being queer
>>41431583Based vegan anon, but 98% of the human race is functional psychopathic and doesn't care about anything that doesn't look like them.
