they have cute little farting pussies
goodboys let their daddy make they pussyhole fart!!

>>41439747
>immune to men's causes
Which causes?
>still viewing this world through gynocentrism after transition
Because my family is matriarchal

>>41439747
I've lived as a woman and know for a fact what you call "men's causes" is bullshit 9 times out of 10.

>>41439781

Such as women's causes, yet all occidental societies tend to say otherwise

>>41439747
The causes in question:
>fuuuuck I had a child and now I have to PAY for it? Fuck I hate society I hate women this is all their fault.
>What do you mean I cannot sexually harass women like my father and my grandfather did? The west has fallen.
>I DON'T WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DO THE DISHES A WOMAN HAS TO DO IT I AM A BIG BOY I DONT' DO DISHES

because no matter what they say, and even with hrt, they are female brained, and woman coded during their formative years
they don't get male struggles, because they never and probably will never live those

>>41439811
B-but i thought they were real men

>>41439815
that's what they want you to think, but same goes for mtfs
they can physically change their looks, and a bit of their world view and thoughts patterns, but i think it's impossible to completely change your gender, as hard as you try

>>41439822
While true there are feminist mtfs. I think there is just a lot less diversity in the girl brain, even in poons.

>>41439811
>>41439832
Have you guys considered that the ''men causes'' are false and you simply need to let it go and learn how to use a washing machine and clean the bathroom like your little sisters did when they were 13? Your mom is not going to be around forever. A wife? Not sure if you gonna get one.

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>>41439747
What's the cause? Stop giving money to Israel?

>>41439822
nta
I think mtfs can have actual girl brain. How they talk and how they think doesn't seem that different from women I see and know irl

>>41439840
Most men know how to wash their clothes and clean their rooms. I'm sorry if you got a frequent experience of seeing the opposite, but most men who don't have severe mental illnesses or disabilities do all that. Broaden your circle of men if all you keep seeing is people who don't do the basic shit.

>>41439832
it's more about group identity than anything else, imo
most trans are leftist, and feminism is deeply ingrained in the leftist mind
transgenderism kinda became a culture, and by becoming one, you kinda assimilate it by default

still, there's also those ridiculous natsoc femboys and trannies, to pass my point about how culture and subcultures impact your views, or what you pretend they are

>>41439840
i'm gay, so no thanks
anyways, i won't need a wife for that since i do it since my 12 too, idk what kinda retard you met (also saw some females incapable of it, lazyness know no gender)
i don't think i even want a partner

when the op said men causes, i was thinking about male depression, male unemployment and generally harder labor, and invisible systemic oppression by societal pressure (males now have to assume the role of a male, and the one of a female)

>>41439840
Sorry but i'm in a relationship with a women and i'm usually the one cooking because the bitch can't even do waffles

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>>41439859
>(males now have to assume the role of a male, and the one of a female)
Nta is this not standard for a good "leader"? Did no one watch Mufasa?

>>41439892
>i let disney movies dictate my world views
hope you're being ironic

>>41439900
No, this is mostly from life experience. I'm using a Disney movie to better explain the concept. Assuming both male and female roles is the mark of a "leader", or a tranny. If men are doing that, they are simply becoming ideal leaders. This isn't much of an issue, it's actually a positive thing. Something something Yin and Yang.

>>41439864
Happens to the best men...

>>41439747
Because you keep raping them. Its hard to be all for misogyny if they keep experiencing it. You guys need to stop with the rape and take trans men into your pro-man spaces. Gaydens worship men but they get treated like girls so their mgtow spirit dies.
Cis girls love having trans girls in their feminist spaces, take a not from them

>>41439941
If they were real men, they wouldn't get raped. skill issue

>>41439941

I'm the OP and i knew about 4 FtMs in my life and 2 of them were my lovers ( Still am in a relationship with one to this day )

They don't want to be in our pro-man spaces, they aren't interested in them, they aren't sensitive to it, in fact, they're the next closest thing to a woman

I tried, but really i can't believe none of those guys because they still think, act and look like womens

>>41439972
In my experience the pro-man spaces only focus on cishet or just cis men

>>41440018

Maybe because there's no trans men in them because trans men don't care about men's issues

Men's periods aren't men's issues, you know

Im assuming the same reason why im immune to feminism as a mtf. Its hard to demonize your own lived experience or be in movments where demonization is common.

>>41440033
Nta, but I'm honestly curious
Do you have any examples of those men issues or pro men spaces?
Maybe they are pushed back by the communities

>>41440018
and are also white supremacist despite being full of mexicans and indians

>>41439747
I assume it's because it's some sort of "I got mine, fuck you" kind of mentality. Most men's issues are about things concerning cis men only, so if someone isn't exceptionally empathetic, they won't care about it. On;ine I have seen only like 3 trans men and like 2 cis women (or s they claim) in men's right spaces at most.
On the other hand, women's issues affect both kinds of trans people, so both ftm and ftm would lean feminist.

>>41439972
I think you need to affirm their masculinity more so they see how unfair women are. Show them clips of cis girls making fun of trans men and stuff like that, wake the hate in them

>>41439941
> Cis girls love having trans girls in their feminist spaces
they don’t lol

>>41439747
I'm not immune, and any ftm that actually passes will know very well not to be immune.

>>41440033
I mean like if mens issues is like the draft or women getting abortions.. you see how trans men might not agree with them, he could get pregnant and all trans people were just kicked out of the army. What mens issues are you talking about?

>>41440040
One sensible answer here. Yes, it might be this.

>>41440084

Honestly that sounds like a great idea, but even my stories somewhat makes him empathetic with what i have been through

The issue is that usually, he sees things as " certain women " while on the other way around it's just straight up " men "

As if, he's able to join my POV on certain things and understand some issues, but just can't fathom the idea of it being systemic, or that women as a gender are taking advantage of men

>>41440087
They do. Thats why terfs were born, they were the outcast

>>41440102
Maybe its not all men or all women and more people should think this way

>>41440133

Read again

>>41439747
being a women does weird things to you, I hope they can take pride in true masculinity some day.

>>41439747
They know that at the end of the day, they can always go back to being women and face 0 consequences. They will never have false rape accusations because someone they fucked regretted it in the morning. They will never have their children kept away from them even if they were good dads because mom was bored of the relationship. They will never be labeled as a creep or automatically assumed to be a pedophile just for existing near children, even their own kids. They will always be considered women in any real sense when it comes to accountability or the court system

>>41440171

Funnily enough we had that conversation with my BF at the beginning of our relationship

That if i ever was to rape him he'd know that having a vagina and female passing, he could win a case against me very easily

Is this engrained in female DNA or something ?

>>41440171
What a load of bullshit
You must know that men are more likely to get custody if they fight about it but most men just abandon their kids.
False rape is not a problem, you are more likely to get raped than falsely accused.

>>41440191
>That if i ever was to rape him he'd know that having a vagina and female passing, he could win a case against me very easily
Nobody would side with a trans person. Trans men are the most raped demographic yet you never hear about it. Its almost like nobody gives a fuck. Trans people are subhuman in court

some of my cis moid friends keep trying to get me to join their male only counseling thing because they think i struggle with a lot of the same issues as them. i’ve never actually been to a session though, i spend too much time on here so i always think they’re just glazing me when they say things like that.

it’s not that we can’t relate to each other, i’m just too severely wormed to navigate that situation without feeling like a caricature of a gorillahon in a women’s restroom

>>41440191
Why would you talk with your bf about raping him?
That's crazy talk, unless it's like a cnc kink

>>41439747
There are plenty of ftm MRAs especially on here wym

>>41440231
They're mostly specifically MRAs about trans male stuff, not male stuff in general. TMRAs. So it basically makes it into a subtype of feminism.

>>41440215

Trans women yeah, not trans men

>>41440227

Purely theoretical discussion because we were talking about rape in general and false rape accusations among men

Sorry if you don't talk about anything interesting with your partners

>>41440242
Not from what I've seen, they usually talk about all the typical points even if it wouldn't affect them as ftms

>>41440191
>Is this engrained in female DNA or something ?
Not in DNA, more like common sense/pattern recognition. I don't think females would feel as confident about rapists getting punished if it wasn't a thing that happens in society.

>>41440218

>so i always think they’re just glazing me when they say things like that

Men being empathetic is considered manipulation

What feminism does to a nigga

>>41439892
no and i'm glad i didn't, that movie fucking sucks.

>>41440256

Literally female rapists usually get away with smaller sentences ( If they ever get convicted ) but ok

>>41440250
Fine, but that's still a minor amount of ftms. Like, sure, have seen five at most in my time online that are like that. But most ftms associate their experience with experiencing misogyny, so they don't associate with men's rights activism.

>>41440276

>But most ftms associate their experience with experiencing misogyny, so they don't associate with men's rights activism.

Fucking this lmao

>>41440274
>Literally female rapists usually get away with smaller sentences ( If they ever get convicted ) but ok
I guess I worded it poorly.
I meant that females see that male rapists that rape females get punished, both socially and legally. So they see that they can get away with doing the false allegation thing because they're guaranteeing social punishment to the male that they accuse and possibly legal punishment. If there was no law like that, they would not be as confident about accusing men or being sure that they will have any consequences like they do now.

I don't know what men's causes are, other than the draft, which I'm banned from. Hair loss, maybe? But I'm not losing my hair, either.

>>41440291

Mainly because of the victim card narrative being pushed by feminists

They're aware that in the subconscient mind, the average person will always see women as victims

Hence why they think it'll work, have you ever seen straight cis males accusing females of rape ? ( Not even talking about media because the media doesn't cover such stories )

>>41439781
You're probably a straight ftm who doesn't pass and you're attracting lesbians. Women aren't into manlets and no matter how many times you say "it's your personality" that won't change the facts

>>41440315
NTA what are the "men's causes"

>>41440315
Being unable to get laid is not oppression.

>>41440323

Being seen as less than human because you're not attractive is, though

>Insert know the work rules meme

>>41440310
>have you ever seen straight cis males accusing females of rape ?
Only online, honestly, and even then it's anonymously.

>>41440327
How is that a men's cause?

>>41440332
Because it disproportionally affects men.

>>41440332

It's a sexist double-standard, or maybe in your world sexism only works in one way ?

>>41440203
Really? Cuz I just watched it happen to someone dear to me. Both were drunk, girl regretted it/didn't wanna get caught cheating, and he ended up arrested after she accused him. This is one example of it happening to someone I know. Job gone and reputation permanently ruined even if charges are dropped or are found innocent. As always, women face 0 consequences

>>41440203
Also, you must not know many people with kids. Working at a shelter, I've seen many unfit mothers get full custody then be complaining that the kids father wants to split custody cuz it would cut into their child support (income). Family court usually sides with the mother as long as she claims shes "getting better". I've seen exactly 1 case of a father getting custody

>>41440344
>>41440345
People who are not considered good looking are always treated worse. Not specific to men.
In my experience, 4chan thinks men's issues boil down to getting rejected by a woman. Also gays in video games.
When in reality it's the expectation of back breaking labor, this shit >>41440388, genital mutilation, and toxic culture of bottled up emotions.

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>>41440418

Sure it's not "men's issues" but it's part of men's issues

Feminity is considered beautiful and empowering (Ex. Femboys), masculinity is considered ugly and fightening, FtMs should know about that

And despite what feminists think, it's not patriarchy, i would argue it's the other way around

>>41440418
>When in reality it's the expectation of back breaking labor, this shit >>41440388, genital mutilation, and toxic culture of bottled up emotions.
Well, as minimum one can't really do anything to fix sexual rejection or lookism, so yes, these things you list are more realistic to fix, so should be focused on more.

>>41440454
>Feminity is considered beautiful and empowering
>empowering
Lmao

>>41440486

"Man-eater"
"Femme fatale"
"Vamp"

Strangely enough there's not a male equivalent to this, emphasis on the words used, females uses their looks to their advantage, using deception tactics and other to get what they want

Women are cheering whenever another women uses men to serve their own needs

Men usually are just called plain old narcissists or manipulators, in general

>>41440243
>Trans women yeah, not trans men
Trans men get raped way more than transwomen do and nobody cares. You are blind.

>>41440532
How do I put this nicely. I think you're informed by media rather than reality. Femininity is seen as weakness, no exceptions. It's encouraged in women because pretty, but at the same time everybody knows what's up. Being feminine means you're signaling submissive behavior which is the opposite of power.

>>41440291
You are more likely to get raped yourself than being accused falsely of rape. Men side with the rapists cause they relate to them more. Women don't relate with rapists.

>>41440315
Most people calling ftms names like that are cis men. You are alienating your own allies. No wonder poons side with women when their male side is actively trying to harm them

>>41440408
>Family court usually sides with the mother as long as she claims shes "getting better
Its the opposite. Men who want custody get it. This is the lie that deadbeat dads like to tell as the reason they don't see their kids. In reality, they abandon their own.

>>41440596
Got any evidence to back up your claim?

>>41440582
Are you one of those women who sincerely believes manlets refer to themselves as "short kings"?

Let me guess, I can be "spiritually taller" if I stop having such a bad attitude?

Stop getting offended on behalf of men, you will never get it

>>41440559
nta
It is a type of power, because people (men and homo women) would do a lot of things for a sake of a more feminine person. Give money, gifts, attention, physical protection, sexual pleasure, that kind of thing. It's power over other's minds.

>>41440454
As a gayden cis men have 0 excuse to be ugly in 2025, skill issue.

>>41439747
i know theres struggles men face (and i face some of them too) but as an ftm there is no reason i should contribute to online mens causes. i only care abut the men in my REAL life. i make sure my male friends and family feel loved and i am kind to men i dont know. the men online that are vocal about mens causes are retards like the ones in this thread. the ones who hate me based on traits i cannot change hate when it happens to them. until online mens spaces are less hypocritical and hateful i will not be contributing to them lol. i would like to pick out every man online that isnt hateful and give him support, but that cant be done by me alone. you need to start gatekeeping your movements if you are non hateful.

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>>41440951
t.

>>41440532
but the whole point of that is to subvert what is usually expected from it. jesus. i couldnt imagine being this disconnected from reality

>>41440646
have you forgotten that in this society its most common that men only pursue women for their own status?

>>41441152
repfuel for eternity i will never even get close to having the anatomy of a man

>>41441229
shut up jarb you're literally just a woman. you dont rep, youre not even tomboy tier. you dont try anything. if a woman who looks like a woman and acts like a woman is "repfeul" to you, you are just a woman. real repfuel is those who try and fail, you'd get it if you had an ounce of gender dysphoria.

>>41441206
Most commonly men pursue women because they want to have sex with them.

>>41441152
I'm not even sure what this is replying to

>>41439790
mens' causes are not necessarily just the inversion of womens' causes. a few examples

the child one is complicated. like if you (male) get raped by a woman and she keeps the child, you should not have to pay for it imo. (you currently do in the USA)

depends on location but in the USA south men have a pretty tight gender role that pretty much bans talking about your feelings and promotes dangerous behavior as a coping mechanism.

circumcision is unconsensual surgical modification of an infants genitals. not nearly as bad as FGM but much much more widespread in the USA.

obviously these aren't as negatively impacting as most womens' issues, but they exist and would not harm women to fix

I personally try to support men's causes like mens mental health but same cis men will turn it into "YOU DONT WANNA SLEP W ME?@?! WELL WELL UH ILL KILL MYSELF" which gives the cause a bad name, and then I have to separate myself
Its not women's fault some guys r pathetic and have no social skills lmao

>>41442235
you were born with female privilege try to understand the people who don't have it, especially because your the one who is trying to be a man.
I'm sorry this is cosmically funny to me.
good luck

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>huh? you're saying I don't understand the male experience? that's because you're an incel mansplainer! maybe if you had a better attitude women would give you access to our... I mean their holes!

>>41442383
youre just horny. why do both sides make it about pussy being gatekept. pussy isnt that valuable.

>>41439972
captain ESL over here to educate us on feminism

>>41442860
>man: *says literally anything*
>woman: I have a vagina

yeah a huge amount of women just have zero empathy for men's problems and dismiss the entire concept as impossible because they have no idea what intersectionality means the second the conversation isn't specifically about them. this is how you get takes like "men are emotionally crippled and only experience rage they need to learn to communicate more" 3 seconds after "i'm not your therapist i don't owe you emotional labor." they sincerely just do not try to relate to men and don't see a reason why they should.

>>41439747
pussy == girly girl
simple as.

all real ftm's want to rip that disgusting tumor out of their bodies while the rest post uwu men can wear makeup/extremely fem clothes/be feminine

>>41443900
and pussy was brought up in this thread by niggas that dont get any. both sides need to devalue pussy.

>>41439747
I’m immune to most causes

>>41444376
No one will say what men's problems are.....

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>>41450490

Because it usually gets dismissed the second it doesn't fit the feminist narrative

And if we ever talk about personal experience ( Such as rape ), it'll get dismissed because it doesn't represent a majority of cases

Men's issues are just dismissed because people do not care about men's issues, proof in that thread is that everyone dumbs down men's issues by associating it with incels issues

>>41450553
That's okay, just lost the causes anyway so we know what they are. Otherwise I don't know what they are.

>>41450553
Were you raped?
It's impossible for a man to get raped

>>41450683
The empathetic gender, everyone

>>41450717
They are stronger than women, and since they do the penetration they can't be non con

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>>41439747
>men's causes
You mean beta male causes?

>>41439747
because the patriarchy is a rape machine and supporting it, even thinking about supporting it when you're actually working against it to support men, is difficult for someone who has experienced the harm it causes firsthand
and trans men are more likely to support the patriarchy by joining it than working to support the weak men who suffer under it

>Nobody saying what the pro-men's causes are

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>>41439747
Because they are women.

Once AFAB, always an AFAB, no matter how mutilated they are.

Everyone sane treats ftms as psychotic little bitches that they are.

>>41450765
Well, all it would take to fix society is to start treating AFABs like a breeding stock again. Look at muslims.

Giving rights to holes was the biggest and gravest mistake.

>>41450553
>prime example of male oppression: chatgpt was mean to me once

>>41441262
One of the most insufferable tripfoids on the board next to G

>>41450926
Male unemployment, male depression, male suicide rates. The feeling that men are completely dispensable: If there's a war, men shall die for their nation; women and children first. How normalised Misandry nowadays is. Everyone dismisses and takes with completely apathy if something bad happens to a man unless he is famous. Every level of manliness is being labeled as "toxic". Etc...

>>41439747
>Why are FtMs immune to men's causes ?
Because no one sees FtMs as men, so men's issues just don't apply to a lot of us
I do very much care about a lot of men's issues, i.e. the disregard of male sexual assault, the unhealthy emotional expectations placed on men, the heavy gender roles forced on men, the disregard for men's opinions because "erm you're a man" when it's good have have insight from a different source, etc but I also don't keyboard warrior about it I just talk about it to people in real life

>>41453986
>Because no one sees FtMs as men, so men's issues just don't apply to a lot of us

People don't see MtFs as females either yet most of them are feminists

>>41454013
Misogyny is just more compelling I guess

>>41440951
>heh, if they were born female, they could have plappable hips and tomboy aesthetic like me... the peak of male beauty oooo

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>>41454065
Misogyny is shamed.
Misandry is celebrated.
Transmen use their sex or deny their sex when Schrödinger's Feminism activates, depending on outcome.
Transwomen try with every fiber of their being to escape their sex, hoping society doesn't see them as monsters attempting to wear sheep's clothing.


You can say, "kill all men" in a workspace.

>>41453940
Is all this not just normal for trans people, with a couple of words swapped?

>>41454738
Absolutely not aside from suicide lmfao the fuck are you on ?

Trans women really are just as dumb as cis women. Acting like we self hating cis dudes don't do this shit for a crumb of pussy.

>>41454738

>erm, atcually this happens to trans guys, too.
Lol, no!

>No transman fears that if her country gets into a war, she'll be forced to serve her nation.
>The most dangerous, dirtiest and horrendously paid jobs are done by biological men, not transmen.
>There are tons of laws that protects them: DEI policies get coups for them tons of jobs; Anti-discrimination policies stand for them if being attacked; etc.
If a transman has problems? They'll get her resources to help her. If a man has peoblems? Man up and lock in.
When media says that men are ultimate enemy of a cilivised world, that they are completely replaceable, when feminists say "Kill All Men" transmen do not feel threatened, menaced or demonised at all, because everyone knows when someone says something like it, he means only biological men.
>Kill All TransMen is considered as "Hate Speech". Kill All Men is not.

>>41454763
>>41455986
Are you two new? All of that is stuff ftm experience, we just don't screech about it because we're men. That's life.

>>41456573
>Erm... that's actually the same for trans men as it is for biological men, trust me, I'm say it.
Show examples at least. Prove it. Does if your country got into war, you'll be forced to serve like they'd do to a bio man? No, you won't. Do transmen ever felt like being demonised by comments like "all men are rapist", "if we lived in a manless world, everything would be better" "all men should die", etc? No, they don't. Do transmen are more likely to end up in a really dangerous job like go to the coalmines or in a comfy office? Lol, no!

>>41439747
when ftms are actually invested in men's rights and antimisandry, you accuse them of larping tryhard