I have been going here for years and I still cann't decide if AGP is what leads to being trans or trans (or its repression) causes AGP.
Please consider that the vast majority of mtfs lose any arousal to "AGP" stuff after getting on estrogenOccam's razor. If you have a fetish on testosterone and don't have it on estrogen, it was probably the testosterone
>>41441975Don't you lose most of libido on E? So no matter what fetish you have, it "goes away"?
>>41442029Good point
>>41441953I wonder what her bussy smells like ?I bet like strawberry :3
>>41442113She is not trans.
I didn't have agp before. But having more of a female body turns me on now.
>>41442479How much more female you are now?
>>41441953AGP is a manifestation of being trans. Your brain wants you to be a girl, it creates scenarios where you are a girl, it derives pleasure from those scenarios, including sexual pleasure
>>41442533Why? I am not feminine.
>>41441953All i know is that i had agp before i ever looked at pr0n or knew how to jerk off. When i was like 10/11 I would get a sharpie at write ‘playgirl’ and draw hearts on my butt
>>41443579How is it now?
>>41441953Holy shit why do you autists take the AGP meme so seriously, it's not real
>>41443598My erection if I put on the dress the woman in OP wears would be real enough?
>>41442573>deep desire to completely fucking fag out and exude inner femininity>I am not feminine.Lol ok fruity boy >>41443598Half /pol/ psyop’ers and half /pol/ psyop victims
>>41443621At least call me a girl
>>41443619You’re confusing a symptom with a causal mechanism. Do you actually believe sexual hangups can hijack an entire identity and sense of self? Blanchardian AGP theory was written at a time when people smoked in their offices and diagnosed people with “inversions”. Total quack shit.
>>41443634>willingly transitioned from male to female>I am not feminine.
>>41443652I just didn't like being called "fruity boy", even being called a girl would be better
>>41443650It's possible for males who want to be women to identify as women, yes. Do you think I have never wanted to do that myself?
>>41443672>wants to be straight-up called female instead of “fruity boy”>>41443680>
>>41443944Yeah, so?
>>41441953Holy hell this girl is cute, name?
>>41443999https://www.reddit.com/user/Naughty-Nyx3
>>41444026>https://www.reddit.com/user/Naughty-Nyx3Is this a real girl? Could be AI.
Transexualism doesn't exist.Only agp
>>41441953>trans (or its repression) causes AGPthisyour agp will calm down after transition
>>41443650Ohh and the gender ideology crap is totally accurate and it's the truth
>>41445197You don’t have to believe in gender woo woo to conceive that some people are just off and have a psychological disposition to emotionally need to be like the other sex. As for what causes it we simply don’t know. There were piles of very very similar theories on what “causes” homosexuality but they’ve all been dropped because they’re oversimplistic unverifiable trash. No actual clinicians use them.
>>41445197>>41446271To add, ETII is an inversion theory which is why I brought that up.
>>41442029Yes, but then you'd expect the desire to transition to go away with it. Since most MTFs seem to continue taking their pills in spite of this, it stands to reason that the fetish isn't the root cause but rather a symptom.
>>41449092>Since most MTFs seem to continue taking their pills in spite of thisOr maybe it stays rewarding in other ways than purely sexual?
>>41441953AGP is a brain short circuit not unlike pedophilia (but usually less dangerous) and has nothing to do with transsexuality. But AGPs being straight men had a tragically easy time worming into queer spaces and convincing you their BSDM game is the same as being trans, and they were so successful you're left to wonder about this when the answer to your question is rather obvious by itself.
>>41449428How does it differ from being trans in practice?
>>41449092>it stands to reason that the fetish isn't the root cause but rather a symptomOr, that AGP is a sexual orientation, not a fetish.AGP as an orientation is backed by another point too, AGPs experience it well before puberty, and experience non-erotic feelings of love and admiration.That feeling when you look in the mirror and see a woman, that's love, its beautiful.I eagerly wait for the day that autosexuality in its whole is socially accepted, and people are educated on it.
>>41449473Most people have no idea that autosexuality exists. We are long away from social acceptance.
>>41449488I think people implicitly know that something more is going on. Some women do seem to know that some men become romantically flustered at being pressured into crossdressing (Which does happen outside of forcefem fantasies! It has happened to me!).Autosexuality as a whole too, people are also aware that some male bodybuilders are clearly a little "gay for themselves", so to speak.
>>41449092>you'd expect the desire to transition to go away with iti mean honestly that thought does cross my mind every now and then. but logically, (and from experience) stopping HRT would just cause those feelings to come back anyway so theres no point
>>41449507>It has happened to me!)Story time?
>>41449550Its not all that original.I had three older sisters as a child, they liked to pressure me into playing dress-up. I suspect they could tell I enjoyed it slightly, but was very embarassed.I had a girlfriend when I was 16, she offered to do it once, and noticed me get visibly flustered over it, however the male socialization had kicked in and I refused (which I regret), since then, for the rest of the relationship, she would tease me for being "feminine", I think she knew how that made me feel. Its a shame that same AGP made the relationship impossible to continue.
>>41449646>that same AGP made the relationship impossible to continueThat's so sad.
>>41449473If agp in the actual literature is innocent like this, why is it treated like this dirty fetish thing everwhere where people know of its existence?
>>41449473Oh wow, someone who actually reads the sourcematerial! Do you believe it's possible to be a true, exclusively gynephilic mtf, while genuinely not being agp?
>>41449895because masculinity is broken
>>41449895This is a complex issue, but to start, I need to say this: Most people don't read, they download their opinions from headlines and social media posts.The term autogynephilia was likely misinterpreted by some trans-unfriendly groups as a fetish, and since, even in its misunderstood form, it held explanatory power for the behavior of many trans women, it caught on in those circles.Because of the term catching on in those circles and being weaponized against trans women, as well as the fact that, for an autogynephile, it is more attractive to believe you have an inner "feminine essence" or that you're "fembrained" over the idea that you have an autohet orientation, autogynephiles themselves rarely speak out positively about their sexual orientation, because they don't identify as autogynephiles.So you have a situation where the people who hate AGPs are the only ones talking about it, they get to set the narrative, unfortunately.There is also a strange third group, self admitted AGPs who believe in the incorrect interpretation, that it's a fetish. I suspect these people strongly identify as heterosexual, and want to separate themselves from trans people, who they perceive as hypersexual and perverted. These people are all over 4chan.>>41449914>Do you believe it's possible to be a true, exclusively gynephilic mtf, while genuinely not being agp?I don't think it is impossible, but I have no idea how.
>>41450219There are also self-identifying AGP repressors like me, it's easier to repress desire to be female when it's just sexual.
>>41450219How do trannies fall in love with other women if they're autosexual
>>41441953I had since AGP pre-puberty. I eventually crossdressed a bunch and was fascinated with mtf gender bend stuff. I repped and dated girls but I always ended up coming back to AGP thoughts and ended up losing sexual interest in women. I CDed and started dating guys. Ended up getting fucked by one. I was worried I'd panic as soon as I coomed but I didn't. Now it's all I want. I can not enjoy sex in a male body. Fetish or not, I want tits and hips for a male partner to hold while they're drilling me.
>>41450346>I want tits and hipsI want pussy too. I want everything women have.
>>41450373I'm vers (only interested in sex with men) so I want to keep mine, at least until the "tech" is improved.
>>41450317Being AGP does not necessarily make you trans, it can lead to a development of a cross-gender identity and gender dysphoria over time though.>>41450344Auto vs allo is another axis of sexual orientation like hetero vs homo. The trannies you talk about are the auto/allo equivalents of bisexuals, or they're meta-attracted.
>>41450594I've been talking about myself in third person. I'm the exclusively gynephilic tranny. But not sure if agp
>>41450659If you're asking if you're AGP, you might try testing yourself against the Core Autogynephilia Scale:https://www.genderpsychology.org/autogynephilia/male_gender_dysphoria/autogynephilic_fetishism.html
>>41450594There is more to repress about AGP than transition.
>>41450691Specifically?
>>41450698I repress crossdressing, playing as woman characters, pretending to be woman and catfishing etc. Things that can trigger and fuel AGP. Most of the year I try to not come to this place, too. But it's not always perfect.
>>41450728I've been there before, but that was before I really accepted that I was AGP.Its just boring, take your video game character example, I just don't find it fun to play as a male, I've reached a point where playing as a female character feels more "me".
>>41450687See this is what I don't understand, what does "yourself" entail exactly? Does it mean that it must be part of the fantasy that it's me specifically? Like the fact that I myself am the woman is important? If there's a fictional sexual situation I like to switch perspectives sometimes, sometimes completely, but often back and forth (if at all). Like is that the same?
>>41450746Sure, but the difference is that I can't accept it and I am in endless war against it.
>>41450805Had a little trouble interpreting your comment, so this reply might not be very meaningful:Yes, attraction to being a woman is autogynephilia, so it has to be you specifically to be AGP.>>41450807Why? What's the harm in accepting it?
>>41450874What is the harm in having sexuality which is either unknown at best or disgusting at worst to anyone else and which is incompatible with your body and sex?
>>41442029No you don't
>>41450881Elaborate.
>>41450886I just didn't loose my libido. I wanna have sex every day and enjoy it immensely.
>>41450970So what has changed?
>>41449646shit like this would cause me to blow up
>>41450879You can't change your sexuality, but you can change your body.
>>41450728i used to do that too but i feel dull and frustrated so i indulge a little
>>41450974Direct effects of HRT are p much negligible for me. I've reversed some hair loss (although this may also be attributed to using Minoxidil), stopped producing sperm and gotten gyno.Pretty great overall and exactly what I wanted as a twinkmaxxing enby bottom (I don't call myself trans)
>>41450981Sure, but it can have brutal social consequences. I also hate having the desire for that. The body is fine, the brain is not.
>>41450874I'm still unsure if it applies to me. Unfortunately, I'm biased against being agp because I don't want to inherently be a disgusting pervert, but I'm also a little biased for it, if I end up with no other option. I lucked out and transitioned young, all proportions of my physical form are well within normal female range and I've lived my entire adult life stealth as a woman. And I'm a little fembrained, an absolute whore for validation, so I'm scared of being labeled faketran if I'm not agp. And scared to be labeled fake if I am. Despite knowing I'm trutran. But other peoples opions weigh heavy on me.If I look at myself naked in a mirror, I may get a, "half chub", but I if I see my face I think it's less erotic. Once I dressed up sexy, and took a picture of a part of my body, and anjoyed it a little, but not much I think. And another the same, but with no picture. I enjoyed the memory. I enjoy "being the woman" in sex and such, like being small, cute, maybe submissive, but I also like to be a little more dominant. Idk if I'm proper agp
>>41450995>If I look at myself naked in a mirror, I may get a, "half chub"Nona I have news. You are agp. Gosh youngshit agps scare me.
>>41450995I won't presume to know you and say for sure you're AGP, but you sound AGP.Regardless, you shouldn't beat yourself up over your innate sexual desires, if you accept them without shame, you'll be much more fulfilled. If you are AGP, you're very lucky, you are rarer than you know, and should take advantage of that.AGP is not some gross perversion, as said before, its a sexual orientation, that includes eroticism sure, but it also includes love, idealization, aesthetic appreciation and so on. There's nothing gross about you.
>>41450993>Sure, but it can have brutal social consequences. I also hate having the desire for that.I wish I could say you were wrong.>The body is fine, the brain is not.That's up to you, but I wonder if you would hold this view if the social cost were absent?
>>41451029I would always prefer to get rid of this desire rather than give into it.
>>41451020How could I ever accept this if true. Why would God make me like this
>>41450346btw I'm probably trooning because of this
>>41442029Lmao, no way. I get turned on by being tied up and my tummy bitten and tickled like you wouldn't believe.
>>41451011Hard to see it as auto- when it being me has no play in it (from how I see it). I just see a naked woman and get slightly aroused (sometimes, not always).
>>41450346>>41451203what about other aspects of your life
>>41441975Troons say this but then 50% of tranny discourse is them trying to reassure each other that euphoria boners aren't fetishistic
Does anyone else notice that the mere passing mention of feminization or crossdressing, or its theme in a cartoon, video game or webcomic can catch you off guard, triggering your AGP and causing a strong fluster response?This image does it to me, and I imagine its the same as if a beautiful woman started flirting with the average heterosexual man.
>>41452135Yes, that's how it works.
>>41452135transformation shit like this is kinda silly doesn't really appeal to me but just femininity even projected by an average woman irl does take me off guard and can't get used to it
>>41442029My libido is still very high on estrogen. It just came down to a level that is compatible with a functional life.
>>41441975>>41442029>>41452359is libido even a problem i'm an older guy i don't even feel like arousal is that much of a problem its the pair bonding effect i feel like i get emotional withdrawals and start getting frustrated and stiff after keeping away from agp stuff for a while
>>41452417For me, libido is a problem. I am horny all the time.
>>41451011>youngshit agps scare meHow so
>>41441953ppl over-apply agp to mean everything so it is basically meaninglessas it was described in the typology it was a type of transsexual, meaning transsexuality was primary, and agp described their differences with the assumed standard typeas far as it was argued to exist, it specifically described sexual fantasies of becoming a woman, rather than any form of general gender bending, fetishism, cosplay, roleplay, or alt fashionthe over-application of agp obfuscates the fact that transsexualism is primary, and a lot of ppl that self-id as agp would not meet that standard in the first place
>>41453432>and a lot of ppl that self-id as agp would not meet that standard in the first placeWhy not?
> like women so much I wanna look like oneWhat kind of straight is this?
>>41449293to paraphrase>or maybe there are other reasons to transition apart from AGP
>>41442029i got way hornier on e but i'm gay
>>41454217Dick still works?
>>41454293i stopped taking it but yes it always still worked it just didnt get as big as hard all the time. and like no cum. but it looked cuter. the horny feeling is in the whole body and mind craving men dick and needing one inside me and it made me act super slutty instead of yk dry and boring.
>>41454614>the horny feeling is in the whole bodyDamn, how is that? Like anxiety to have sex with men? Nipples get hard?
>>41454972its like the whole nervous system feels receptive. makes me crave men and want to be touched held and fucked. you can see the difference between horny bottoms and tops in their body language
>>41455060>you can see the difference between horny bottoms and tops in their body languageExplain How do bottoms show when they're horny
>>41449092sunk cost fallacy
>>41450346God, she is so fucking hot. makes me want to transition.
>>41455777probably blushing
>>41454150internal alchemy bruh
>>41441953ever heard of interdependence jackass
>>41451560>other aspects of my lifeI think they’re actually caused so much of my trepidation regarding trooning. I’m worried about having to change jobs (contractor) and telling all my friends and family.>>41456438I don’t think she was even on HRT at this point
>>41453457well agp still indicated to get srs to 'become a woman' and can even date men, typically they still pass the olden days criteria for being transmost others with a cd fetish or just into alt fashion would not pass the gatekeeping, and certainly not on that alonegetting rid of gatekeeping means that more ppl could transition, not just transsexuals, but the broader transgender group and now the group that used to be classified as transvestitebut it's necessarily not the same demographic to which agp applied
>>41458897... C... Cu... Cute
>>41451020I'm back from reading Anne Lawrence's articles, and her descriptions are kind of a trvke. I'd never openly associate with agp, as autosexuality could never be accepted in any society. I don't want to be something like that, but I guess I can just cry about it. Don't think it's possible to shamelessly accept agp. But it may be the truest theory (by which I mean, psychology is soft science, but it may be the truth once there's a hard science understanding of conciousness and all that). I deviate slightly from the general description by having some feminine behahviors like playing with dolls, knitting and, I guess may somewhat count in there too, having an obsession with cute animals, in childhood (aside from pure autism like dinosaurs and, I don't want to call it masculine, but I guess I have to; mechanics in general. Like cars and guns and stuff), which was an advantageous fact when seeking transition young I guess. But aside from that, not relating to the sexuality of other boys was also relatable, despite technically also liking women, and even being in love with a girl. I don't wanna glaze myself with retrospect validation too much, but I guess never really having piv intercourse fantasies as a boy is kinda agp in the context. But we can never let the normies know about agp because aggressive retard aap terfs, gigahons and there being 'philia' in the name has made it an eternal opticsnuke...
>>41461990>once there's a hard science understanding of conciousness and all that'give it another 5 years'
>>41461990>I'm back from reading Anne Lawrence's articles, and her descriptions are kind of a trvke.Anne Lawrence is a very rare thing, a sexologist who studies gender identity, is transgender, and is introspective enough to admit that she is an autogynpehile, as a result, she understands the orientation on a level that almost nobody else does.>I'd never openly associate with agp, as autosexuality could never be accepted in any society.I understand why someone would think that autosexuality is never going to be accepted, but its important to remember that people used to think the same about homosexuality.I identify as AGP, but not publicly, I just say I'm heterosexual (I sort of sit on the boundary between cis/repper, Men Trapped in Men's Bodies sort of explains the position I'm in.), its the closest thing, I'm not keen on explaining a new sexual orientation to everyone in my life, especially one that's become politically loaded.>But aside from that, not relating to the sexuality of other boys was also relatable, despite technically also liking women, and even being in love with a girl.Yeah, I can't fully relate to allohets, and I think AGPs tend to have different tastes in women, since its harder to want to be something you view as inferior, which I think, unfortunately many allhets do view their ideal women as inferior.I had a girlfriend once, sexually, we never got anywhere, but I loved being around her, I could live in proximity to the life I adored and wished I had.The relationship had appeased my cross-gender desires and I fell for the illusion that I was an alloheterosexual, when we broke up, the cross-gender desires came back (and maybe dysphoria? it was weaker back then).
i had thoughts "being a girl would be cool" when i was 8-9, and it was basic stuff like "oh they get to have long hair and nice dresses". but by the time I was 11-12 it turned to agp shit because i grew up in a country and time where expressing gender non-conformity as a boy was punished and even gay people weren't coming out, let alone trans people. So from my experience being unable to express fem stuff and having to rep led to AGP shit.When I was 19-21 I couldn't even look at conventionally feminine women, that's how envious they made me feel, and any hint of tranny shit made my mind go into overdrive.I also had a lot of issues socializing as a guy and felt like a faker.After I trooned at 22-23 and started wearing basic dresses I wished I could wear before, doing makeup - the whole thing calmed down, and socializing became easy for the first time in my life.I still have agp leftovers from when I was a teenager, I like maid dresses, and I prefer a-line skirts - but I think it's mostly because a-line dresses really help with dysphoria because it's not as noticeable that I don't have any hip development due to starting late
>>41464245As a permarepper AGP I am envious and I wish you well.
>>41462727What does acceptance of agp even mean like in practice? Apart from just, transition, as is already a thingTbh idk how yall reppers or whatever live like you do, I could barely take it any longer when I was 14 and just trooned out at 15. I've never had a girlfriend, but I've been in love a few times. It's always the same type, someone part of a group I've recently gotten into, or is in the perifery of. And they're an integral part of it, very cool and easy to look up to. Always as tall as me or taller also lmao "I'm such a woman uguu". Can happen with men also, but then there's a lack of genuine sexual attraction. Had a boyfriend a very short while the first time it happened and I got confused. Thought I finally wasn't doomed to be a cringy transbian, but alas, I'm not sexually attracted to men, unfortunately, but when I become best friends with one, it's otherwise the same feeling as when I'm in love with a woman. Loving them makes me lowkey fantasize about fucking them and making them feel rly good tho. I kinda like dick and cum and all that but maybe it's a fetish from reading too much hetero smut as a young teen. Yeah whatever, it's drunk agp saturday
>>41464307For me, gender dysphoria is a progressive thing, I had very brief, intense episodes in early puberty, and then they stopped.It was only relatively recently that it came back, I decided to confront the fact that my intense erotic and romantic interest in feminization is not just a fetish, its a full blown orientation.From what I understand, this is the mechanism by which AGP develops into persistent dysphoria:Immature sexual orientation consists mainly of erotic desire, when I would masturbate to feminization content, I would always feel strong post-nut clarity, and my cross gender desires would subside for several hours to days.A mature sexual orientation is largely romance focused with erotic elements, I've been getting closer to this, nowadays, when I masturbate, after orgasm, the desire (and dysphoria) only partially subsides, and only for about an hour.I don't transition because I still see myself as a man, but I notice the shift, I'm fully aware that I'll probably have a female gender identity by the time I'm 30, but if I transitioned now, while I have a predominantly male gender identity, I would experience reverse-dysphoria.tldr: AGP leads to the development of a second female gender identity which may or may not supplant the original male gender identity, causing dysphoria. This identity development stems from the same impulse as romance, it is the idealization and admiration for what you desire most.
>>41464938>which may or may not supplant the original male gender identity,indeed. my agp has always been secondary to more dominant male persona its just that im hypersexual so explored it fully lol
>>41464938Now you described it, I also see this shift in me. Insane.
>>41441953There was a space craft called the space shuttle there were several of them they built a space station in space. The space shuttles no longer exist and the space station will soon be destroyed. All forgotten in time Did Gen X die off ? Or are they living as shemales ? Transgender is no longer a word
>>41464307 That's called a traditional relationship, knowing the person you are with first, it's called a courting time before marriage. This whole community of males to females has no commitment, devotion or scared. It's about YOU being feminine, not your look but YOU being feminine, not a fake flamer but about YOU.
>>41441953All cis women experience AGP too, don't bother worrying about it too much.
>>41464938 So your 30 and your masculine ? Because I'm over 50 and my whole life people thought I was a Tom Boy a girl in boys clothing. I'm feminine, I don't like sports, I played with dolls, I bonded with boys when I was younger,. How are you 30 and not feminine ?
>>41467026I don't understand what your complaining about now. If you're even complaining
>>41460518No one listens to the gate keeping.When I was younger I was feminine, I had a group of friends I would hangout with, and there was other groups of friends older. We kept everything secret, never talked about anything in public, would all go over one kids house after school. The people that don't understand are the most toxic, gatekeepers , phobia, and crazy people Don't worry there people that you will get along with
>>41467098The community is very free love , that's ok. But finding a person for a commitment is hard
>>41467178Ok, well I'm only interested in commitment and, although it's probably unrealistic, even marriage. Idk what you get out of my post (since you were answering that) that would point to the contrary
>>41467062I'm not 30, I'm 23, but I would describe myself as masculine (in an autistic way), with a strong desire to be feminine.
>>41441953 I'm old we had dungeons and dragons, it was a Dice game with the DM dungeon master. Of course being in the 80s and young, you and your friends where latch key kids. So D&D lead to cosplay, sex. I don't know what you're problem is but me and my generation were normal
>>41467198That's a traditional relationship, it good for the community. The community lost that, when everyone thought they were Rock Stars.
>>41467220Wtf you're younger than ME (the agp youngshit)
>>41467220 So your not a Tom Boy, but feminist, like Murphy Brown type personality. That was normal in the 80s 90s punk and Goth brought it to another level
>>41441953Nowadays everyone gets plastic surgery and wears makeup. If you're a guy and do speaking or video you wear some type of makeup. The Bible people on TV wear makeup for a better appearance.
>>41441953I think it's all feminine versions of men. I don't let doctors tell me a symptom that could later make me look mentally ill when I'm not.
