I'm attracted to women. My eyes are drawn to their bodies. Their voices, fashion, personalities, body language, all of it is more appealing to me then that of men. I yearn for female companionship acceptance and validation.And yet every time I'm aroused, every sexual fantasy, every time I imagine having sex, every single time since age 11 it was with a man. Penises are inherently appealing to me, vaginas are neutral at best, repellant at worst. Every kiss, every romantic touch, every sexual experience, and every relationship has been with a man. The few times I've tried having sex with a woman, I lose interest and energy, I don't want more than kissing or petting. But the enthralling and allure feels so real.Many of my trans friends are like this. My question is: why? Is it a curse? A virus? Is this a third gender? Why does my heart have lustful and romantic feelings for women but my body only only feels true sexual arousal for men? Is this a type of sexuality common for women?I've been wrestling with this question my entire life.
>>41442777>The few times I've tried having sex with a woman, I lose interest and energy, I don't want more than kissing or petting. But the enthralling and allure feels so real.Same. When I had a girlfriend, she wanted me to fuck her, I couldn't do it, it was such a turn off. I haven't even tried to be with a woman ever since. The only fantasy I masturbate to is me as a hot woman, having sex with a man. This sexuality is such a curse.
>>41442777Bisexuality? Idk, attraction can feel different.I'm similar except I can only have sex with women and vaginas are appealing, however I enjoy seeing men jerk off.
>>41442777It's the bisexuality of trannies and their chasers
>>41442809It's so strange... is this something only people who start HRT after puberty have? I wanted to start HRT early. I knew i was trans early on, questioning by age 9, certain by age 12. Really wanted HRT but my parents shut me down, they encouraged me to repress and so I tried.In my teens and early adulthood I masturbated a lot to cope and repress, and became depressed. I eventually had to just bite the bullet and become a lateshit. Is it possible to recover a baseline normal female sexuality with time and exposure to estrogen? The feeling of attraction to women has gone down after starting HRT, but visually j am still drawn to women over men.
>>41442832I can't tell you, I have been repressing it all my life.
>>41442846I repressed a long time and damaged myself a lot. I would suggest that you stop. Especially if you do not have a wife and children yet.Most of the worst things I was afraid of from transition did not come to pass. I did not become unemployment, I did not llose all my family. Although there are times it's not perfect, it beats the dissasociative hell of endless escapism. Knowing what I know now, I really regret not transitioning earlier. But I was late enough that I can say for most people it's not too late to get the same results you would have had if you started at 18.
>>41442777Imagine being born looking like this bros. Won a lottery within a lottery . And I bet the bitch will take it for granted and be depressed all the time.
>>41442897I do not have a wife and children and I doubt I ever will. I remember how hurt my ex was when I could not perform.I hear you, but I don't consider what I want as reachable for me. I cannot be who I want to be. So it's endless escapism, as you said.
>>41442809>The only fantasy I masturbate to is me as a hot woman, having sex with a man. This sexuality is such a curse.how is that a curse? you can literally have sex as a woman with a manyou don't have to try to be a lesbian when you are not one
>>41442993It's curse because my body and mind is male, conflicting with my sexuality.
>>41443031you could change your body into a female with a simple operation
>>41443070Even if I had perfect surgery, my mind would still be male and would struggle with living as a woman. It would be uncanny.
>>41443084your mind is already femalethis is why you want to have sex with males
>>41443091There is more to a person than their sexuality, you know. In many areas I am stereotypically male.
>>41442917Natty is a Thai kpop idol in Korea so she has trained every day relentlessly to have a shot at pop stardom in her early 20s. It's a brutal industry and they burn out quickly. Msost former Kpop idols in their 30s and 40s aren't wealthy and have to deal with the brutal reality of being an aging woman in East Asia, many kpop idols struggle with mental health. It may look glamorous but it comes with heavy tradeoffs.They are also expected to remain celibate and drug and alcohol free the entire time they are under contract, and any injury to a knee or back can cut short a career. What's more is that the job isn't just the shows and performances, there's a year long schedule of fan events, required social media activities, and expectations to make themselves available for their afans-- who are often pushy and disrespectful men who might take tremendous offense at the smallest perceived sign of disrespect. It's just as demanding as a professional sport, maybe more.
>>41442993nta but the curse is that the attraction to women disrupts my thoughts and makes me feel impure. When I am in a locker room changing with other women, it feels very wrong to be attracted to them. Same with the gym. I hate when my eyes longer on an attractive woman involuntarily and I worry she may have noticed. I do not want to be a creepy predator. I fear that women can tell I'm attracted to them. For instance if my eyes involuntarily flick to her breasts or if I am overly obedient toward her-- and can be manipulated like a man.
>>41443128Don't care, didn't read, beats being a 6'0" fat black hon.
>>41443145do you not have your own breasts to look at?
>>41443117Nta but maybe lots of things you consider stereotypically male are things both genders enjoy and vice versa? Overly restrictive ideas of gender can cause needless pain. For instance I used to think the viseogames i enjoyed or the humor i enjoyed was too malebrained. But I actually don't enjoy the most malebrained games and I actually prefer comedians usually preferred by women. And as I transitioned my tastes changed more-- i no longer play any games at all.This is just one smaller xamplr but my point is, the thing I was worried was malebrained was just a neurotic assumption that was fueled by self hatred. Men and women are more alike than we are seperate. At the end of the day we're all humans with two arms and two legs, we all eat, sleep, shit, go to work, grow old, and die in essentially the same way. It's a mistake to think we're so different.
As soon as women open their mouths and I have to listen to these squeaky voices and all of the indiciseveness and this constant latent narcissism and the saggy boobs and omg when they take off the makeup and all of the little things it's just too much. (Although that's maybe cause I am exactly like that and hate myself).I honestly just want a bf to crack open a beer with as soon as we get home, smoke a joint together, have sex, make delicious food, maybe hit a bar on a Tuesday night and call in sick the next day cause why tf not and generally just not to have to pretend I'm living some kind of perfect fake life all the time. Also I want to be dominated and penetrated in bed. Dating men is just a rational decision for me that's all.
>>41443153I do and i love them but there are always more attractive other women around. Especially as I get older and don't glow as brightly as younger people.
>>41443152Bitch you better read my posts if you're going to leave (yous) If we don't talk here about our honest to God experiences where the fuck else are we going to talk? I don't want any of my IRLs to know i have these crazy thoughts, and I would get banned in seconds if I posted on reddit.
>>41443175I am not worried that I am malebrained. I am autistic so I behave, think and live differently from both NT men and NT women. But the distance to average woman is far greater. It's complicated and it's really not about playing video games.
>>41442777You sound like a faggot.
>>41443209It's very heterosexual if you think about it.
>>41443091No, that's not what's happeningBottombrain is a superset; women HAVE bottombrain nearly every time, as per some brain differences and a good amount of socialization into girls and then women
>>41443204i aint sidiing with them, but i'd say that life of ups and downs is certainly more memorable and enjoyable than a life of pure mediocrity.
>>41445916Define bottombrain
>>41445916 I wasn't born bottom brained, originally I was interested in penetrating women. As a dominant. But I couldn't fulfill this because high value women looked down on me and I was incapable of asserting myself over them, so eventually in desperation I broke and surrendered to the meta attracted AGP ludt for men so I could have control over my sexuality.
>>41449896>surrendered to the meta attracted AGP ludt for menAnd how is it?
>>41442777because autogynephilia is common to all women, not just transbians, you just have a harder time seeing your own beauty
>>41449896A 'lust for men' is incompatible with the concept of meta-attraction. Metas feel lust for themselves, not for men.The reason for you stating this now is that you were probably aware of your male attraction for a long time but just repressed it, thinking that sex with women would satisfy you sexually, but it didn't. So you just inverted the script to allow yourself to cave in.Repressed andophilia is still the number one factor creating trannies and it even plays along very well with a typically feminine personality (submissive, wanting to fulfill social norms, etc). It's just that once you're a tranny and hang around in places like these, you suddenly find the same normative encouragement to like women that you got as a man, just now it's to like men instead.Of course this feels good because you are finally encouraged to come out of your shell and know you will be even more accepted if you do so.
>>41451096I have lust for myself as a woman to I would fuck myself if I had the chance, I developed androphilia over time by role-playing as the woman until my body got accustomed to being with men. Basically the longerbi go on the more bisexual I get and the more my romantic and sexual feelings for men take precedence. But the AGP still bothers me.
>>41442777you people are all so fucked up...so fucking twisted by your own deranged "logic" and justifications for your failures. Its just all mental (retarded) gymnastics. This thread is but one example of this madness. You need to be slapped.
>>41452370I agree
>>41452370>>41452420I don't think you people understand. I was born with a lust for women so intense that it destroyed my male ego because it was simply too strong. I had to castrated myself and become a pretty, submissive painted doll just to stay sane and fit in with society.
>>41452445>a lust for women so intense that it destroyed my male ego because it was simply too strongThat's kinda how I feel about it too
>>41452445>>41452564Chill out, you're AGP - in fact every tranny is AGP. You'll find this out if you read the appendix to Blanchard's Core AGP Scale test.The thing is pretty much eight questions in a row asking whether you had ever gotten aroused to the thought of being a woman and it the appendix it says that HSTS typically score 2-3 points.This means they ALSO get aroused to seeing themselves as women, just not as strongly. They are not the pure Kinsey 6 dolls Blanch makes them out to be, since they, by own admission, experience gynephilia - thoughbeit maybe only autogynephilia.It's a gigantic nothingburger. I'd believe him if every HSTS scored 0, but this way the guy is just drawing arbitrary clustering lines.You're experiencing run-of-the mill transexual bisexuality. Chill out and cuddle with a dude nona, no need to get worked up over this.
>>41453059I know I am, it doesn't make it fine.
>>41453102It's okay, have an internet hug. Worse fates could've been bestowed upon you. It is not your sexuality, it is just part of your sexuality.
>>41453132Thanks. But it feels like entire sexuality. As I said here, I don't get off to anything else: >>41442809
>>41453147can you enjoy sex with men?
>>41453165Never tried. I think I would have to transition first.
>>41453059im kinsey 6 with mild agp. but i dont troon out because i also have some aap. the thing that makes people troon out is autophobia. its obvious that many cis gays have some agp. >>41451096i relate with this. i used to want to troon out but it was driven by internalized homophobia.>>41442777you're just gay i think. aesthetic attraction comes from society. that can be very powerful for desire but its just social desire like companionship. its platonic. its not sexual. i was the same way too. earliest sexual memories were gay but i learned real quick it was wrong and to be ashamed and project and try to be straight but when i tried to have sex i couldnt get hard even with viagra and other drugs. with guys i get hard without needing any drugs and all porn is of men or self inserting as the woman.
>>41453281I think you should try to have sex with men before you transition. That was my biggest mistake looking back because now I can't untangle what part of this is AGP, HRT, genuine androphilia and/or societal expectations.I've wanted to have sex with men for a long time before I got on HRT and in the years leading up to me the urges got stronger and stronger, but I was just so scared I never did it or told anyone.Then I did it and immediately detransitioned cause I just wanted to be gay.
>>41453330If I wanted just to be gay, I would not have to imagine myself as a woman. I am very attracted to female bodies.
>>41453281>>41453349you might have trauma / internalized homophobia. only way to know is actually being with a guy and seeing how your body responds.
>>41452445>I had to castrated myself and become a pretty, submissive painted doll just to stay sanethank you for making my point>>41452370 and admitting you are mentally ill.
>>41453349Yeah yeah so thought I but I was just attracted to these bodies because of what they represented: The ability to be admired by men and shamelessly pleasure them sexually. I never thought I could do this with a male body until I tried and learned I could.Although I thought so at the time, I never loved women. Getting with my bf and permitting myself to feel love for him taught me what love really is and that before I wasn't experiencing it at all. It was rather a twisted jealously in my stomach that kept aching so badly at one point I just started trooning cause I couldn't get over my internalized homophobia.
>>41453398super relatable for me i'm >>41453323>>41453378glad you figured it out
>>41453378I know gay men but I couldn't relate to them.>>41453398Woman represents way more than that to me.
>>41453451there are so many different types of gay men though
>>41453461And none of them are as attracted to women as I am, by definition.
>>41453471well what can you do? you can either have an asexual relationship with an asexual woman or have an open relationship with one you're romantic with and have sex with men together. but it's a fantasy that never works in reality. the alternative to that is to give dating men a shot. maybe you are repressing potential romantic love for them. listen to your body
>>41453636Well, so far I repress my sexuality completely and keep it to myself. Thanks for advice, though.
>>41453659GIGARETARD! stop that now. now. now. please.
>>41453659yw i wish you the best. you never know maybe you meet a woman you find you can be sexual with too. keep an open mind i guess.
>>41453697Why?>>41453699Everything's possible but it's hard to believe in a miracle. I would need a masculine dominant woman and they're too rare. I think this is what it's about for me - the rejection of male sexual role.
>>41453718>why?Because you're headed down a dark path. Much darker than you can imagine.
>>41453740Come on, you can't say that and not give me details.
>>41453772Just trust me, okay?
>>41442777get a lavender marriage
>>41453787Okay.
>>41453718ya i met a woman like that. she was even supportive of me transitioning. she was masc and dom and not the fake kind like genuinely while still being conventionally attractive and tall and she was explicitly looking for a sub. but in the end she still decided im gay. and then it was immediately over once she did. because i told her i dont actually enjoy sex with women, dont want to fuck them, needed drugs to perform, and that my only happiness came from making them happy, and she said thats not my job, its supposed to be enjoyable for me in itself. it kinda blew my mind hearing that from a masc dom woman who was even supportive of me transitioning.
>>41453872>but in the end she still decided im gay. and then it was immediately over once she did.Why it was over
>>41453323I tried having sex with men as a cis man. It was "fine," it worked more than sex with cis women because I only bottomed but I would experience lack of arousal, loss of arousal that was very noticeable. I actually transitioned after figuring out conclusively that "gay" relationships weren't a workable compromise. Gay men also did not like my feminity at all, even pre HRT they made clear they saw me as so feminine they would have to be bisexual to fuck me, and when just discussed my issues with gay men i met IRL they would usually push me to stop repressing and transition. (Although I would not confess to them i was also attracted to women)
>>41453900yes. or was that a question>>41453902damn. well there are a lot of bi men, probably even more into trans women than strictly gay men overall. but of course they tend to only use trans women for sex because they want to date cis women. ive had some bad experiences with gay men too but some are more into femininity than others. also there are a lot of bi women into trans women
>>41453330As I said this is not how it works for everyone, I personally actually transitioned prior to having sex with men, detransitioned out of shame and thinking i was GayGP, then had sex with men and realized I still had problems, and THEN retransitioned. Repressing a serious desire to physically be female is rarely going to go well when you know HRT is an option.Also per this >>41453349 i think what androphiles/hsts/hkmosexuals don't realize is that for us AGPs, the attraction to women is strong, almost overwhelming, even if we live as straight women. I am probably a 70/30 bisexual in favor of women aesthetically, but i enjoy my straight relationship due to a mixture of meta attraction, autogynephilic arousal, MEF complex, and the calming passivity inducing affects of estrogen. I simply can't handle the testosterone fueled sexuality with my sexual orientation as it leads to dissatisfaction, cooming addiction, and relationship apathy.
>>41453946Sorry, I meant why would that end the relationship?
>>41453951>can't handle the testosterone fueled sexuality with my sexual orientation as it leads to dissatisfaction, cooming addiction, and relationship apathy.For me, endless loneliness and sexual frustration. I am glad it seems to work out for you.
>>41453385I'm mentally ill but I acknowledge it and treat it appropriately.I stay 100% soberI do DBT and stay in therapy for my BPD,I believe in constant improvement not being perfect.I resist the urges to self harm, do sex work or act on my exhibitionist urges by indulging in regular receptive sex with my male partner.I'm a happy and productive adult member of society anon. Can you say the same?
>>41453398Yes but did you want to literally kill yourself due to increasing facial hair, progressive male pattern baldness, and ever more androgenic fat distribution? I couldn't enjoy sex without being on estrogen. Like my own body odor would turn me off because I am sensitive to smells and it was perceivably male, just to name one thing.
>>41453957idk, because she decided im gay. not bi. i was confused too because i thought if i could be happy making her happy that it could work out but i guess im supposed to just inherently enjoy it. she decided im not bi because i have no sexual interest in women so im gay. so it was over. i think she was right because its different with guys, i do just inherently enjoy it with them. i think she could tell i was trying to force myself to be bi
>>41454046Thanks for sharing. I wonder if such kind of a relationship would work for me.
>>41453989im like that too, i just take dutasteride. i have sparse facial hair that i shave, i might get laser but its sparse enough that its not too bad, good hair, no body hair, female waist to hip ratio, no body odor. and no need to worry about transitioning.i did like estrogen but i stopped because i didnt want boobs and losing cis privilege.
>>41454061it might still work but this was a gut punch for me. i hear of other gay guys somehow making it work but i tried so hard to and never could so idk how they do it
>>41454095I don't see myself as gay, though.
>>41454120then you're not and you can do it deep down i always knew i was gay but i thought if i tried hard enough i could choose to be straight and make it work with a woman. so i tried to consider myself kinsey 5 instead of 6 and from there i could be straight. but deep down i always knew i was gay and i had split my personality, yet to everyone else even when i thought i was code switching it was still always obvious that i was gay. if you arent like this then you have a shot i think
>>41454061Relationships with women will never work for an AGP/sissy/repper whatever you are and the fundamental reason is because regarsless of how much your sexual urges align, women will not provide an outlet for you to fulfill your latent surpressed urge to be the supportive partner, the caregiver. They will always be trying to support you, thus you will always feel shame and the perceived need to man up. You will always fantasize about being held down and roughly fucked by an emotionally unavailable man, and it will cause relationship decay.You need to unrepress, take estrogen and eventually date men, or else bide time in some kind of open transbian or lesbian relationship. We all figure this out through trial and error.A relationship with women will only work long term if you are:Bi, but strongly dominant, a top, or at least switch with top preferenceORattracted only to women.It seems harsh because everyone wants to be like "but actually you can just get pegged by your dominant GF and be a non HRT femboy" but it just doesn't work out that way long term, it's akin to false advertising. You'll eventually want HRT, she'll eventually want a functional cock to ride.
>>41454209This is as brutal as it's likely correct. I have no preference for any dominance or topping. Zero. This is the problem first and foremost.
>>41454079Well i hope you've thought it through and are confident, because if you're around say 23 now you might be in for a rough time when you get slammed with second puberty. I guess it all comes down to sensitivity.Also "cis privilege" is a red flag phrase to me, it's perilous close to "I'm trans but simply choose not to transition" which is the final stop on the cope train. If you think you're following the "path of least resistance" you might not like where it leads you. Almost all of us fought tooth and nail to avoid transitioning and to this day have residual transphobia... when i talk about HRT it's not lifestyle advertising, it's that i experienced the abyss of repper adulthood and how bad that got and that was simply the medication that allowed me to get out of it.
>>41454209how do actual gay guys have relationships with women?
>>41454280The euphoria of being reproductively viable individuals, honoring their family legacy, and the tantalizing prospect of escaping homophobia and gay culture and attaining the hypothetical bliss of the white picket fence and the suburban married household. For some people this euphoria allows them to get hard, it's pretty brutal, almost like a noncon fetish or raceplay fetish because you have to get off on dominance alone with little or no genuine attraction.There's also lots of performance anxiety, premature ejaculation, excuses to avoid sex, and long nights out drinking with the guys to string it along.
>>41454278idk.. i dont have a good response because you are right. im older than that but i havent gone through twinkdeath yet and im blessed with good twink genetics so that helps me cope. none of the options for aging seem good though and i tried them all so i definitely am doing the path of least resistance thing. the least bad option, whatever that is... i dont have cishet privilege anyway since im visibly gay and fem but it would be worse if i transed. i really just want a husband and to stop thinking about myself and all this. i already put too much effort in to trying to be a straight man and i i dont want to have to do that with transitioning and passing only to end up with worse options than if i remained a gay male. but yet here i am still posting in this thread so obviously thats not going well either lol>>41454334sounds exactly like my comphet phase but i never had a relationship out of it. just random drug fueled performative hookups that always ended in stock piling trauma
>>41454209>You will always fantasize about being held down and roughly fucked by an emotionally unavailable man, and it will cause relationship decay.lol no. we're not all like this. i hate unavailable men and want to be fucked softly.
>>41454540Hot twinkhons can have straight passing cis male husbands and also pass to unbrainwormed normies. if you're femme and androgynous it's an extremely viable strategy. I only stop advising people to transition when they are: 30+, visceral fat beer belly, bald beyond the point of hair transplant, and gynephilic/unsure. If you lack any of those and have dysphoria you can bring it back. The way I would put it is, if you were analyzing your life through a glass half full approach rather than a perfectionist approach or "objective maximum potential" analysis would you still not want to be a trans woman? Because you can still balance maximizing your potential and being realistic with being true to yourself and succeed that way. Hondom is a state of mind.
>>41454606Same difference in think every woman wants both on different days of the week it's just that repression can push you toward extreme fetishes like cnc, nor, forcefem, exhibitionism, and so on.
>>41454649*ntr not nor
>>41442777>I'm attracted to women>My eyes are drawn to their bodies.>Their voices, fashion, personalities, body language, all of it is more appealing to me then that of men>I yearn for female companionship acceptance and validation.Im the same way except I have a deep and powerful lust for them sexually. I have for as long as I can remember and my first sexual fantasies were only about women. But I might adoration, lust and desire for women developed into mild agp. It started with wearing panties when I was 9 or 10 and its been a part of me ever since and morphed onto bisexuality even tho my desire for women physically and emotionally has never abated.
>>41454674Did you want to transform or grow into a literal woman or ever fantasize about being a lesbian?
>>41454649but i'm still into women only on the deep deep level. i just wish i liked men. i can do nothing about it.
>>41454698NTA but yes to transforming to a woman, no to being a lesbian
>>41454698>Did you want to transform or grow into a literal womanno. never. I was/am ok with being a dude but I have a vivid and active imagination so larping on occasion was/is fun>ever fantasize about being a lesbian?yes. mainly just about being a female having sex with a female but I do wonder on occasion about if I would be a lesbian irl if I was actually female...not sure.
>>41442809I don’t get trannies who say this. Put your hard cock in her and go back and forth til you both coom. Stupid transwoman, you should be on your knees next to your ‘girlfriend’ not pretending to be her boyfriend.
>>41453951your poor parents, briefly thinking they saw the light at the end of the tunnel only for you to go back in
>>41454720Honestly I know that feel. When I was in college and grad school all my friends were women, all my crushes were women. Then I had sex with men just as an experiment. Tried out having a boyfriend just for fun and to have something to talk about my girlfriends with at brunch.Then one day all my female friends are married or focused on careers and we don't see each other much, my co workers are all married, I'm with my second boyfriend who i like because he has a house and a good career, we're talking about adopting because my balls were removed years ago. I realize now that those yearning, intoxicating girl crushes i have are a thing of the past now, barely memories, the mundane reality of heterosexual life has replaced it for all of us. We go with what's practical and stable.Sometimes I'll be hanging out with a female friend and we're doing our makeup or just lightly cuddling and watching movies and she's just so beautiful, and I can tell we both feel something, but neither of us wants to upend our lives to embark on some kind of lesbian experiment. Like me, almost all my female friends have experimented with women before and had issues with it-- heterosexual monogamy remains popular by default because it's biomechanically intuitive and easy to maintain not necessarily because it's an aesthetic ideal.
>>41454790My cock refused to stay hard for my ex girlfriend. On the other hand, what you said is a bit arousing.
>>41454817i'm not a woman dumbassyou don't know the feel honestly
>>41454805Lol that's perceptive of you. Yes my parents pulled out all the stops to get me to detransition and repress, and they were effective in that, if a bit heavy handed. Although eventually their attention strayed elsewhere as they wrongly thought the battle was over. So as soon as I had my own salary and health insurance and place to live, the repressed need to transition gradually began to resurface.And that's the reason why transphobia will never have enduring victory. Transphobes get bored and distracted. They need to believe the fight is over so they can declare victory and go back to their lives. But without active interference, trans identity eventually finds a an existential niche and the means to express itself.
>>41454823Good girl. Stop pretending to be a boyfriend and learn that sex with you is receiving a real man. Find some lacy lingerie that makes you more appealing and feminize your body to attract a real man who will fuck you. That is the right way for girls like you to have sex. The only time you should ever see a woman naked is if you’re on all fours next to them and learning how to present your ass like they do for real men to fuck.
>>41454890But would you say you're a GayGP male? A straight boy by day but you have meta-attracted autogynephilic fantasies that tormented you at night when you're alone? Do you self insert as a female in porn and find the idea of submission intoxicating?A straight boy who longs to be gay to be closer to women so he can feel that camaraderie and closeness, eventually becomes a straight boy who forces himself to try dick. Without genuine attraction he hmjust focuses on the erotic thrill of submission. Gradually, his body and mind start responding to the stimulus.I can't claim it's the solution for everyone. Only for those whose AGP is relentless and unmanageable.
>>41454914You know how to fuel my imagination.
>>41454974Is AGP just a way to satisfy the need for submission? To receive someone's desire, to be dominated instead of dominating?
>>41454907mb you'll write something like this for me but less fetishistic?
>>41454978You are not a real man. Real men don’t imagine this. Stop imagining and make it happy. Shave smooth tonight, buy girly clothes to make your future boyfriend happy. Think about how much easier and less problems you’ll have if you find a man to provide for you sexually and mentally while you dismiss these annoying and meaningless problems. Imagine just slurping on his warm cock as he rubs your head and tells you he’s going to take care of you for being his good girl. That’s where you belong.
>>41455004in my experience, it is yes. Arousal toward onesself as a woman is part and parcel with desire of one's self as a man. With time, estrogen, surgery, resocialization, the ability to see that man as yourself decays and the contextual arousal that seeks a male partner replaces it. The hallmark of the male attracted AGP is when we try having sex with women and find it unsatisfying and impossible. However the process can be very long. If you learned to fear and resent men in childhood this isn't going to go away overnight, especially for severe cases of abuse or assault. If you're been a trans woman in the community, chances are you have had a self described "transbian" friend tell you they fantasize about sex with men, but have trauma, fear, or dysphoria associated with men that keeps them from seeking out male partners.True lesbians by contrast, whether cis or trans, tend to not be very AGP at all. Their behavior is different from bisexual women and tends to be more gender nonconfirming overall.>>41455008I love writing so give me a prompt or drop a discord and I'm happy to talk further. Definitely willing to reduce it to pure analysis devoid of any sexual provocations if you want, although I can't promise your mind won't draw its own inferences.
>>41454974no? i just like women clothes and bodies. i hate piv, never tried and don't want to try it ever. if i see a woman i want to gently kiss her shoulders, hands, cuddle with her, but i don't want to performif i was a woman i'd make my man lick my feet and eat me out and he'd never treat me roughly nor dominate me.as you see it's not about submission
>>41455150sorry i don't use any socials anymore. write it here pls
>>41455150Can we chat on discord? Username:alex_xxxi
>>41455150oh no, i made a mistakei meant this >>41455008 to this >>41454914
>>41455184Is it a fetish to embrace your sexuality? Accepting that you should be pleasing a man for mutual satisfaction instead of wasting the time of another girl is not a fetish. What are you asking of me?
>>41455156This is semantics: a woman in consensual sex is never truly submitting, she holds all the power and all the cards, she is the gatekeeper of the sexual experience-- the only thing she lacks is the physical equipment to carry it out.What you are submitting to is not a man in front of you, it is your feminine sexual desire, to be vulnerable, to let yourself be physically possessed, let your body feel the thrill of the response as the weaker, receptive partner. It's a process of conscious and controlled surrender. If you don't like it rough that's totally understandable. Men might be horny but they aren't actual animals, they will make love to you gently if you ask for that.
>>41455184No worries. I didn't write anything in response yet anyway.
>>41455106>>41455150Fuck, I really want this.
>>41455254that's understandable, but like i need to enjoy the other person too you know.
>>41455301And what is stopping you? It is obvious you are not a man to have such desires. Do you want to selfishly fantasize about pleasing a man or do you want to actually go out and perform the duty you were born to do? There are real men out there that require your company and you are just here wishing you could satisfy them. You need to make it happen and give them the sexual fulfillment they deserve and they will reward you accordingly.
>>41455356Well that's understandable. I just feel like life requires compromise. to be honest I would love to have a transbian partner who was mentally stable, able bodied, monogamous, pretty and passing, and who shared my general values and goals, but in my experience it just wasn't realistic or practical, there are always dealbreakers-- or sometimes the ideal partner will conclude that they don't want to settle for you because they can do better, or they aren't able to commit due to lack of maturity or fear of their own feelings.So while a male partner isn't the most attractive, to me they make up for it by having less of the other liabilities. that perception may be different for others. You just need to find something that works for you long term at the end of the day, and unfortunately in life time is not unlimited. A severe love dry spell of a couple years or more can often change the calculation.
>>41455504I am not desirable. I don't have what it takes. Would you teach me? >>41455172
>>41455505find a man would be even more unrealistic considering how ungay and unfeminine i am.there is a friend of mine, we're completely dismatch but i still crave her warmth and love. i can't get rid of thoughts about some tension between where is none.
>>41455537Undesirable how? Are you lazy?
>>41456018Just inexperienced.
>>41456042This is exactly what men desire. A virginal girl wanting to explore her femininity with a real man who needs her to satisfy him.
>>41457101saving my bottom virginity for marriage then
I thought I was ridiculously AGP because I liked seeing myself as an effeminate man, but this thread taught me I'm not.I couldn't care less about passing, I'm a hot gay bottom and this is who I always wanted to be.Trans shit be fucked I let other faggots butter my bussy and that makes me so happy.
>>41457995As the OP, I'm honestly relieved to hear that, I want gay men to live their best lives and thrive, especially feminine gay men. The last thing i would want is for a gay man to be pressured into going on estrogen if they didn't want the physical changes.My message is for true AGP trannies, those who lust after sexy women, burning with envy at their skin, hair, clothing, yet at night are tormented with agonizing fantasies of being arm candy for a man, being dolled up in a short dress and high heels, hair curled and styled, and submitting themselves to him. These people look at gay men and cis women and don't understand how any one can be so liberated. Oftentimes these shy, nerdy, lonely, underdeveloped men need a little push. It's okay to dress up in cute clothes, take estrogen, and go out with guys and let them fuck you even if you feel "malebrained" and "not gay" because often what's holding them back is lack of confidence and shame that it's not "valid"
>>41442830All those fapstronauts on the nofap websites that have lost all their libido and selfdiagnosed with PIED but its really due to tranny porn makes me think the existence of trannies ruins many straight guys. Because most guys are "bisexual" in that certain features of a woman have to meet a certain masculinity threshold to feel an attraction. But transwomen present the virtually ideal admixture of those traits for those "bisexual" guys.
>>41458120I honestly think that all of this happend because I was gay before anyone else... Like at six or seven years old I started having gay thoughts. It was way too early + there was no outlet for these thoughts all the while everyone told me to be a good boy and get a gf and start family.Mfer that's not me, I don't want that I don't want children and I never have in my entire life. I want a cute faggot boyfriend who tops me and who I can just be gay with. Do gay things with like frotting and mutual masturbation.Honestly finding people that like that too and even liked me when I was hairy makes me question everything.I just never got to experiment or I never permitted myself to experiment, because I knew that if experimented with a guy I'd enjoy it like nothing else in my life.>The straight guys don't play gay chicken with real faggots.
Sexual repression works until it doesn't anymore. It NEEDS a way out.If you like cock, like cock. There's nothing like it anyways.
>>41458627it happened to me in 1st grade too
>>41458120>It's okay to dress up in cute clothes, take estrogen, and go out with guys and let them fuck you even if you feel "malebrained" and "not gay"It's truly not gay if you see yourself as a woman.
I was today days old when I found out I'm GayGP. What now?
oh no no no
this is image does nothing for me
i like to read these threads and breathe heavily
>>41458721as a late teen an old boomer woman said to me once online that sub males always end up on cock and that hit me so hard even though my first inclinations towards meta attraction were still a decade away
>>41442777I can relate somewhat except it's purely aesthetic for me, I prefer the company of men in almost every regard and think women are mostly boring and uninteresting but I like cute small things and want to own them. Think that's why I love AMAB bottoms
>>41443184Holy shit wya that sounds like a dream life
>>41443184i thought hating women for being annoying was male brained but then they do say that women hate women most of all lol
>>41462216I'm Germs
>>41462310Dang, USA but German ancestry
>>41462321>they always mention that
>>41462325Genetics are real anon
>>41462373i don't want to hear about your german ancestors it makes me uncomfortable because you cannot even name ten cities in germany.
>>41462420MunichDusseldorfBerlinKolnLuebeckFrankfurtHamburgLeipzigUh . . . . damn you're right, I can only do eight without cheating
>>41462456checkmate
>>41462485Well to be fair to myself I also considered Dachau and Nuremberg cheating because . . . you know
>>41462492no why? tell me i have no idea what's special about these cities!
>>41462522It just makes me too sad thinking about a job left half finished
>>41462325>euros always triggered by americans being proud of their european ancestrygermans are like 1% of the population and shrinking, why be salty
>>41462922cause i'm a narcissistic German autistic catty gay man that takes estrogen - i think it's hard to find a saltier person than me
>>41462960I feel like it'd be fun to argue with you about something inane and stupid, have it escalate and then hatefuck you after
>>41462967that sounds lovely worstiewhat would you like for me to trigger you with?
>>41462987Hard to say, maybe ghosts/religion or something else where disagreements are equally intractable
>>41462999ah wait i got something good>i'm a social democrat and i think americans are too stupid to vote but their geological superiority allows them to have dogshit politics and still be a superpower
>>41463022I'm a monarchist who thinks democracy is fake and gay and the Global American Empire (GAE) is literally Satan so while we are very different I think on many geopolitical issues we would agree
>>41463067shit. so no hatesex?
>>41463226Maybe when I get back from the gym, my disagreeable little deutschbag
>>41463252sure thing my man. just don't forget to post gains rq
>>41442777>But the enthralling and allure feels so real.Tip o the fedora supreme gentleman >My question is: why?You're a failed male who can't please a woman.
>>41463712>failed male who can't please a womanFor me it's not about whether I can, but not having desire to do so.
>>41463712>You're a failed male who can't please a woman.Women don't deserve me>>41463673You got disc?
>>41463712There's definitely some truth to this, from a young age I was extremely bitter about how girls always chose more aggressive loud and idiotic guys. But i also had a different problem: when girls would like me i would always believe that couldn't be possible and assume they just wanted to be friends. In fact I would even at times be annoyed or offended if they "secretly" had feelings for me while pretending to be interested in me. Later on I had female friends who expressed this to me: they would be frustrated if I mentioned having a crush on a girl and wasn't playing the appropriate role of gay/feminine friend.When it came to actual sex with women, what actually happened was that i would feel a sense of frustration or dissatisfaction that the woman I was with was not attractive enough or feminine enough, as if my standards were too high. That's not something that ever got in the way of having sex with men because with men they supply most of the interest and arousal.>>41463808I feel like part of me does desire to please women, or serve women. Most of the people i admire and look up to are women. But it feels like something happened over time where the sexual desire of other men overwhelmed me gradually. At first it happened under the surface, and it was very frustrating because I knew I was more attracted to women but some insidious voice in the back of my head kept telling me that i should try to take some of that power for myself.
>>41464366Frankly it sounds like, despite yourself, you just wanna be a good boy and please men, in part because you feel being an object of desire for men gives you power over them.
>>41464392I don't like being called a "boy" though that's presumptive and gross. Don't like any of that pedo/incest shit that gets pushed by people who watch too much porn. In fact this is a good example of why I need to be with straight men-- because gay men always make everything into a male on male competition and try to appropriate ur identity with assumptions and. Ake everything political. I don't want men implying i'm on the same playing field as them.
>>41464366lotsa words to say your gay ngl
you know all of it doesn't matter if nobody likes you
Uppity bottom in denial>"Nooooo I'm not like that I just like getting fucked by men but I hate them"
>>41464830Actually people liking you doesn't really matter when you're an adult you just need money a relationship and be on good terms with your family so you have something to do on the holidays.
>>41464903i want to be likedmen don't like me, women don't like me, fish don't like mei'm too weird
>>41464366dang bro. I have mild agp but was always lucky with the ladies and never had any issues sexing them up. but im small and cute and like to be the girl for horny men. best of both worlds
>>41465027Just the concept of needing to be "lucky" with women triggers me. I hate feeling self conscious, I hate being judged, and feeling ugly and awkward compared to them.I need to be the one doing the judging and gatekeeping, I want to be the one who has to be won over. A lot of people when they dunk on me for being an incel don't seem to realize that this kind of social pressure and male-blaming is why i feel forced to transition. I want to avoid that competition. I prefer the subtle way that women interact and compete because it allows more room for saving face and allowing for competition to coexist with camraderie.
>>41465479I hope you're in therapy. You shouldnt transistion just because you're mentally ill....oh wait.
>>41465511I've always been in therapy but a lot of tranny mental illness is too much for cis people to deal with they just stare at you with their mouth open and then are like "well... you're still valid!" I bet they feel like they don't get paid enough to listen to this.
>>41464545Just because I exclusively have sex by allowing men to anally penetrate me with their cocks doesn't make me gay anon. That's such a reductive way of thinking.
>>41465594ive never been penetrated. just oral and frotting and im gay
>>41466062I hear that from a lot of gay guys actually but I could never understand it. I need ses to have a masculine penetrating partner and a feminine receiving partner. "Frotting" doesn't make sense to me. I blow guys and I get aroused at how much he's dominating me but i can't orgasm from doing that and it takes a lot of effort and technique.
