Can one become fembrained after being heavily socialized male. What's the cure for terminal male brain?
>>41451522cocklust is the cure, yes
>>41451522There is none.
>>41451522No. As a flamboyant freak from a young age, it's just the nature of being agp/trans. Stuck between no true proclivity for traditional male activity while feeling like a pretender freak for embracing your feminity because you're not all the way
>>41451533I like cock I won't lie but I don't think that's it>>41451611Why?>>41451801>Stuck between no true proclivity for traditional male activity while feeling like a pretender freak for embracing your feminity because you're not all the wayI hate it sm anon. I used to be one of those kinda stereotypical gay kids as a youngin. I liked doing makeup and crossdressing and had crushes on a lot ofy guy friends growing up but my dad was pretty harsh on me for it. Beat me a lot especially the times he'd find me crossdressing or hanging around guys he knew he thought I was being a fag with. It like mind broke me or something and now all I feel is shame toward my faggy/fem proclivities, repped for a while cause of it. I've transitioned and have been on hrt for like 6 years but it's never gone away and I still feel a certain repulsion to things I once would've loved. To my "identity", an identity I've never fully embraced. I can't stand it and I feel like a freak and a fake. I'm sorry to rant I'm just sad ig
>>41451522unironically, reading about feminism and learning about the ways male and female socialization affects you does help. you might be doing some sexist things done mainly by guys unconsciously, which is clocky.but feminists only write about some broad parts. i think it helps to have female friends and to slowly embrace feminine things you may have been too afraid to do before.i feel like i'm less fembrained than most cis women still, though. but a lot of cis women feel that way lol. just don't be that nerdy cis guy stereotype and get more hobbies than that kind and have good hygiene and skincare and maybe decent makeup.
>>41451522Rosewood did you post this? Or someone take your pic from twitter?
>>41452043>. Beat me a lot especially the times he'd find me crossdressing or hanging around guys he knew he thought I was being a fag withI'm really sorry to hear that anon :( nobody deserves that. I never had a crossdressing phase as a kid even tho probably would've loved it because I was so anxious and depressed all the time I convinced myself I basically wasn't worthy of feeling happy. I hope you can reclaim the joy and liveliness in being yourself
>>41452043You need girl friends to bully you out of being malebrained and a lot of dick male attention and subjugation from dominant men. your just repressed and have a mental blockthis is coming from a tranny that was stereotypically gay as a kid and got bullied out of it for a bit.. you need dick rough treatment and bullying from non hug boxxing female friends to bring it out
>>41451522i fear not
>>41451522I grew up male socialized, for me it helped me come to the conclusion that I was a women.> I fumbled every male social que> I tended to be extremely emotional when my dad tried to get me to do a male oriented job, I only really did male things when I was left completely alone because at the end of the day the job still needed to be done and my dad was old and I didn't want him to hurt himself.>refused to play in sports because I didn't feel like I fit in.Basically I skipped and repressed male socialization unconsciously I guess.There has been this experience I had with a female friend I had when I was 14 I've been thinking about lately, I wish I didn't push her away.Its good and bad because that left me with no socialization experience.
>>41452043>Why?Think about it like this, you are starting from a male view of the world, as you go through life you adopt additional information which is informed by the previous information that you have internalised, in effect, all efforts to make oneself fembrained are being planned and judged through malebrained lens. To contrast with a typical cis woman, they become fembrained at a very young age by internalising information through lens so undiscerning and so impressionable that they are incapable of judging said information in any intellectual capacity until the mind has already taken on many fembrained qualities. This is the fundamental problem that malebrained MTFs face. We are starting from an inherently biased position. Even if we are completely rejected from the world of men, we are informed by the culture that has been imposed on us from a very very young age by our parents and peers. Trivial things such as learning to use makeup or renouncing one's anxities surrounding effeminate presensations is easy, renouncing one's allegiance to men is also a small feat, especially once one takes on a GAMP form and becomes othered by men in the same way women are, but herein lies the start of many problems, unless one passes perfectly, which is impossible unless one is already fembrained, they will never be included into women's circles the same way a cis woman is, and that distance prevents total assimilation in itself. In addition to that, a MTF who's aware of their preexisting male conditioning, which both you and I are, will never be certain if their conception of womanhood is equivalent to how a cisgender women understand it. And this becomes problematic when one is imagining the socially appropriate ways to respond to a situation as a woman. How is one supposed to know how a woman is feel, let alone act, when they are not already a woman in mind and soul? >>41452081this is all trivial and doesn't amount to becoming truly fembrained. BTDT.
>>41452509hmm I think one just needs to be, I think in some ways having more resistance towards the path of womanhood makes becoming more female socialized easier as your faults become more noticeable and therefore more easily corrected over time.most women are horrible to each other and tear each other down, I'm glad I skipped that part.
>>41451522No you're a gooner. This idea of male and female socialized is pure cope for being a straight male with a fetish for women.
>>41452462As you pointed out at the end of your post, all of the evidence that you have brought forth is an indication that you are neither male or female brained, but rather "outsider" brained, I am the same way, and I fear that most MTFs, especially the ones who browse 4chan, and are thus social outcasts beyond their gender identity, are too. >>41452335Being forcibly subjugated like this is probably a good way to develop an identity that approximates being fembrained, although it is inherently a tumutoulous experience to endure and likely leaves one in a vunerable state. You need to be very lucky to not end up with severe personality defects if you are lucky enough to recieve this treatment in the first place, which for most MTFs is already a tall order given that being malebrained will be preclude them from partaking in cis gender dynamics as their desired gender. After all, what man wants to date a MTF who internally views their role in society through masculine archetypes? What women will insist on treating a MTF as a sister when she approaches her only as a brothers crude approxmiation of such?
>>41452592Its not that bad and I think things can get better, I've been fitting in with more women lately and I get lots of positive feedback where women invite me back to events and what not.
>>41451522>posting dresse up with messy matted bangs this is something that no ciswoman except trashy ones would do, cis woman have a higher attention to detail and care for these things, so one of the same socioeconomic status as OOP (which is evident from their choice is cosplay and the general appearance of their lodgings) would never post something like this online, and in effect, not taking care of these things is enough to clock OOP alone (in addition to the obvious stuff like unassured nerdy male gaze and choice of outfit, which again, even the most ruminative otaku women respectively would be incapable of unintentionally emulating).this is how deep being male and fembained goes. Once you become aware of these things it becomes a plague one's psyche. This is the final trvth nvke that awaits all failed assimilationists.
>>41452509This does great work as a perspective that I think lots of troons discover or even dread before transition into a transwoman.The socialization and entire worldview is shaped so quickly and makes dependent behavior stacks spring out of it alien to males. But, there's also the male brain of transgirl functioning a little differently anyway, so an extra perimeter fence that makes "being a woman" impossible.
>>41452659autism post, malebrain/fembrain is real in a sense but plenty of cis women are kind of messy and/or cosplay in cringe outfits, including cis women who aren't from 'trashy' backgroundsthis is the problem when you overapply reductive models to every individual case
>>41452574i agree that just being, without hyper analyzing things too much, can help, but only if you have an environment that guides you in the right path (e.g. tonnes of female friends who expect you to behave just like them), but that's a rarity. >>41452619lucky you t_t I think you must have already been somewhat fembrained to begin with>>41452723in a way being unlike a typical male can be an advantage, it can help to prevent women from prematurely boxing you in with cis men and encourage them to treat you as a unique entity>>41452747possibly, but it's a string of behaviours that are abudently clear in trans women but very rare (to the point where I can't recall a single contradicting instance) in cis women. These behaviours don't happen in isolation either, they reflect a broader psychological landscape that when viewed from a distance, appears wholy alien to a typical woman's.
>>41451522probably with complete control over their life, start by dislodging entrenched behaviors and associationson the other hand if the hypothesis that there is some innate predisposition, assuming they don't have that, anything else would likely just slip back with time
>>41452081feminism is mind cancer. it shouldn't be recommended to anybody in good faith.
>>41452081I think that can help in some minute ways and ig I could read up a bit on some things. Any recs? I've always been very aware of my behaviors around people but I never truly know if it's male or fembrained. My personal belief a lot of the time is being so aware of it and trying to be the least nuisance I can be is kinda malebrianed in the shy and socially inept sorta way. I'm very ashamed by everything and I try my hardest to be the most out of the way I can be in everyday life.>>41452085Yeh its me :x>>41452154It is what it is. I didn't have my fathers overbearing machismoness until like 5 and was mostly raised by my mom sister and aunts. Id consider that version of me "fembrained" and my interests naturally that too. My mom and sister readily let me indulge in it a lot as well. It was only until my father got out of prison did he crack down on it and shame everyone around me for letting me. I had long hair up until that point and my dad shaved it all off even tho I tried to fight it, I had to be held down for them to cut it. Took away makeup and things I dressed up in only to force me to where them while degrading me. It wasn't even really until then did I develop anxieties and complexes around my behaviors. It just felt natural. After that I became very closed off and avoidant, quiet. Unworthy. It was a very traumatic part of my life. I hope I can someday too but I fear that person does not exist anymore.>>41452335Maybe so. I'd like to have more female friends but I def don't give off energy women are completely comfortable around for them to really want to be around me in any way than they'd need to be. Which I understand and will never try and bother any past that. I do love attention from guys don't get me wrong and maybe finding an alright one would help in some aspects but I fear that would only form an almost pornographic stereotype of what a man wants a woman to be. Not fembrained. Agp in a weird concentrated form. >>41452378:(
>>41452509>How is one supposed to know how a woman is feel, let alone act, when they are not already a woman in mind and soul?Hormones make things feel different. Different emotions, different feelings, different sensations in the body. You have to stop calculating and instead use the feelings as a guide. Its a relaxing and trusting your gut kinda thing.The thing is what your gut is telling you now is different than before, so you will be tempted to doubt it's message. But you have to trust it. You will make mistakes as children and teens do, but eventually you will become wise.
>>41453307>do love attention from guys don't get me wrong and maybe finding an alright one would help in some aspects but I fear that would only form an almost pornographic stereotype of what a man wants a woman to be. Not fembrained. Agp in a weird concentrated form.Its not.. just being with men will help you be yourself
>>41453325now this is the sort of interesting perspective that I come to /tttt/ for I don't trust my gut because I'm an extremely mental and diassociated person who lives in my head, maybe this is why I'm strugling.
>>41451522maybe fem/male brained stuff is just bullshit and its high likely that we (even pre transition) weren't socialized properly as boys and whenever we see some things being related to boys we proceed to bully ourselves with this retarded shit.i'm tired of this self-flagellationalso, rosewood looks cute in the maid dress.
>>41452462I was a lot of these things too almost like I was trying to subconsciously reject what was being taught to me, but I don't think that means I or anyone can really repress that. Especially when it plays such a huge part in early life for your brain to naturally learn to how and respond to social stimuli. I didn't have many friends growing up especially male ones until like highschool and then only cause I forced myself into repression and playing sports in hopes I could learn "brotherhood". Didn't get much out of it besides dudes liking to "act gay" with me cause I was considered "pretty" by a lot of em, being bullied, and the objectification of women. Overall I think I was still male socialized especially in highschool but to a disconnected degree and and in a way that left me completely detached from myself. Everything feels like an act.>>41452509There a lot of things I do agree with you about, especially trying to form it through the lense of a male mind. I feel like there's a huge imprint that just can't be undone unless is through genuine delusion or some sort of intensive psychotherapy. Even then I still feel like it'll never be truly "natural". I think I was on a path of a more feminine upbringing but it got stunted and replaced by a lot of abuse and a weird caricature of man that my father wanted me to be. That being the way I was was inherently wrong. To erode any feminine qualities that I had developed while he was not around. A lot of the time equate it to a kid who doesn't know nor want to know how to swim being thrown into a pool too deep, that clings onto the side walls but never willing trying to learn to swim. While this kid doesn't want to be a swimmer it's still learning to float and be safely submerged in water without drowning, like survival rather than truly being immersed in swimming. Even if you were to be out of those waters for years you'd still know how to cling to the sidewalls and what to avoid. Maybe that's a bad one idk.
>>41453573The abscence of being "properly malebrained" isn't equivalent to being fembrained. It's not a binary designation, nor is it even a 1D spectrum, it's more like seperate broad regions within an arbitarily-high dimensional network, and if I were to flatten this immensely complicated model down to 2D grid, such that male brained and fembrained appeared at their furthest points from eachother, us MTF complaining about not being fembrained, would likely be somewhere on the peripheral of malebrained/neutralbrained, which is still cause for upset if you're personality-dysphoric. >>41453573also, rosewood looks cute in the maid dress.see >>41452659she's cute sure, but plenty of details clock her several times over. This is fatalistic nightmare we are beset by.
>>41452509And to further agree. Yeh passing plays a fairly huge role it. I don't pass. Fairly evident. I posted that picostly as a joke and kinda playing into that speration between what real fembrained is and what a male socialized kinda caricature of what fembrained is. But yes I feel that almost barrier of entry a lot of the times with cis women or passing trans women. Especially in my everyday life the past few years. Like I'm obviously "feminine" in the sense I'm trying to embrace that "look" and I have obvious secondary sexual characteristics that a woman would have, but on a body that has already been through some form of male puberty. I can sense the separation I have with cis women and more importantly I can feel the separation the feel from me even more, the unwillingness and almost natural silent rejection of a male body invading their spaces. I know none of them view me as female and never will cause of how I appear and act. An awkward disjointed excuse of a person. I know how far I am from being a woman, and they do too, not in some tranny iwnbaw kinda way but in a fundamental difference way that ques the instincts that keep sane men in their spaces and women in theirs. That's why I've always felt like my life can never really even begin unless I "pass" visually to even try and relearn what I've lost. Tho I don't even think that's possible for me anymore. In body and mostly mind I am male, tho soul if they should exist I think is a bit of a more complicated matter at least for me. All I truly know is I don't want to live a life lie this. It's only ever been torture and like I'm a spectator on everyone's worlds. Never to truly be let in anywhere and to keep waiting for a bus that'll never come. I feel so lost
>>41453426Maybe, I hope to hav a bf someday that'll let me be a bit shameless in some of my retard behaviors and things I wanna do to feel cute and wanted. I have a lot of internalized homophobia id like to curb but that might be a bit of a lost cause atp.>>41453480>I don't trust my gut because I'm an extremely mental and diassociated person who lives in my head, maybe this is why I'm strugling.Real>>41453573You have a point and I'd like to not be so brainwormed over it. >i'm tired of this self-flagellationI am too but sometimes that's all there is anymore. No one treats me as a woman nor really tries to once they get to know me. Plenty ask for my pronouns but still widely go back to saying he him even after I say she her or they them.>rosewood looks cute in the maid dressThanks anon I think I look kinda retarded but that was the point lel. That and Ig to just kinda force myself into something "cutesy". I never do and sometimes I just kinda want something to feel some sort of "feminity" even if it's some sorry faggy excuse for it. I kinda wanna get into cosplay a bit and might try just to kinda indulge a part of myself without feeling like a predator or something. Like as a much needing mental excuse. There's a few I'm planning from shows I really enjoy.>>41453689>she's cute sure, but plenty of details clock her several times over. This is fatalistic nightmare we are beset by.It hurts so much.. har har
>>41453480Thank you! I wade through the mountains of trash posts for the insightful ones too.Im really disassociated and overthink everything out of habit too. But im also really sensitive to my inner feeling environment.Since I started taking hormones, ive really noticed the change in my inner environment, and how my emotions react to things in the world. Behaviors I observed women do prior, that made no sense to me, suddenly make sense to me. I'll realize they are responding to a feeling I didnt have before but know now. Then I see how social conditioning prescribes how that feeling is expressed. So to me and my transition there is something very important in becoming present (stepping out of dissassociation), acknowledging these new feelings, and learning the socially acceptable ways to express them. This is a micro thing and a macro thing; its everywhere. The entire world hits different after HRT. If you are looking for a really concrete example. Expressing a thought or idea in a very feminine voice leaves a different feeling in the body and emotions then expressing it in a male voice. Especially if you add some feminine inflection. And I see those changes and that process at work across the entire gammit of experience. Well... its at work so long as I get out of the way and decide to let it influence my behavior.
>>41453668>I feel like there's a huge imprint that just can't be undone unless is through genuine delusion or some sort of intensive psychotherapy. Even then I still feel like it'll never be truly "natural".There are things you won't be able to change. When you are growing up, you go through stages where what you learn from the world gets cemented and you lose the brain plasticity to change it. For example, people with attachment issues didnt feel safely connected with their parents. Your relationship with your parents forms the archetype for all future relationships. By age 2 or 3 you have formed a 'feeling' about relationships that can not be changed, ever. BUTYou dont have to be a slave to this. It's like living in a cold climate or a rainy climate or whatever, you adapt. You figure out a way to turn your different sensitivities into increased awareness, and you turn that increased awareness into strengths. You can't change your history, but in every moment you can decide what you do with it. You're always going to be a female who has a male 'accent'. That can be ugly or that can be extremely attractive. It all depends on what you do with it.
>>41451522bambi sleep
extremely good thread desu, truly a meeting of /tttt/'s sensitive intellectualsgonna save every post here and reflect on them in the future
>>41451522Yes it's called estrogen
>>41454060>It hurts so much.. har harI didn't mean to troll, nor did I mean to offend, I suffer from the exact same issue. Recently I tried doing a photoshoot of sorts, where I got glammed up to the nines and I took pictures intended to be promiscuous and lust inducing. When I compared it to similar photoshoots done by women online, I found that there was just something off with my face, not just a long mid face but a sort of insenity in my eyes that i couldn't turn off no matter how I hard I tried yet I noticed was practically impossible to find in cis women (especially not in this context) but common in trannies. It is to this day the clearest evidence that I can find that I am malebrained on some deep, intristic level.
>>41451522Best way, is to socialise with cis fems. But if it is not possible:>Don't watch anime as you may start unintentionally start to copy characters behaviour from there, which is very cringe and clocky irl.>Instead watch TV series/movies targeted for fems like "Sex in the City", "Mean Girls" etcI'm sure ChatGPT and Google may give you many other alternatives.If you watch them everyday for 1-2 hours for one year - your brain will rot enough to behave like a cis.DON'T watch anime, 99% of fem chars there are created by autistic Japanese males, and they are behaving the way males imagine fems behave.Almost every trans fem IRL who is struggling with passing is a huge anime fan and they behave very weirdly.t. transfem in deep stealth
>>41454556It does feel like I'm a slave to em desu, I've always let these complicated thoughts really control how I live my life. I just don't wanna come off as if I'm trying to be something I'm not. I don't wanna make anyone uncomfortable with how I live my life or present. I'm sure o can probably learn how to work with it better if I really let myself and actually try and put myself out there and stop being in my head all day.>>41454801Been on it for like almost 6 years I think. I stopped keeping count and I detrooned for a bit so I just don't know anymore, but it's been a while.>>41455047Don't worry nona I don't see you or your words as some troll posting. I mostly see it as someone who knows how horrid this is. Only someone also suffering this weird contradicting confusing joke of an experience can say the things you've said here. You're very eloquent in your arguments and I agree with a lot of what you've said. I've also seen some of your own posts as I recognize the kuromi posting. I hope you can find your way through all of this someday anon and ty for your words <3>>41455166I never watched anime a lot growing up even now I only really watch it when someone wants me to. I can enjoy a lot of em while recognizing that these aren't how normal people act. But I see what you mean. I watcha few girl shows with my sister l, so I'll ask her since she's all into that stuff. I watch drag race with her a ton tho I suspect it's prolly not the best example you'd bring up. I like it tho it's fun. I suspect learning through shows prolly wouldn't be a very good thing either but ig I don't have much of an other option lol. Maybe if I go to some gay bars or something and try to fall into some local scenes :p thx for the advice anon
