did trans rights and personal pronouns really set back decades of human progress and undermine support for democracy throughout the western world?
Bored middle-aged women feeling ennui over the views no longer being considered radical are the cause.Having achieved basically all of their goals in Western society, they needed a new cause, and that became kicking down at trans women, because it's a zero-risk activity for them.
ya'll turned it into a form of communist re-education camp, which every human live knows is truly just coerced under penalty of punishment. if it needs to be forced, it's fake and people instinctively know that.
>>41463039>my shit wagie job made an annoying demand so now I must call for the fourth reichnormies are demonic
>>41463039It wasnt just the trans stuff but yea the self hate of the left and “everyone is bad but victims” and “this is the current victim hierarchy” mindset really just made everyone say fuck it. It didnt matter how hard you tried, you were still a mazi because your pants and microaggressions against the legless and you need to acknowledge that every waking hour of the day. There was a lot of double speak hypocrisy that people picked up on too. Like “we dont hate white people but everything is instantly improved by reducing the number of white people.” The white self hate was pervasive. Everyone had to preface their comments with “as a white male, im one of the good ones so please let me just chime in I love you and support you and please dont hate me”. Saying the concept of men and women was fake and their was settled science proving it was just 1 of 1000 layers of the ongoing insanity.
>>41463093This, even the Jews wiping out a whole ethnic group isn’t taking the heat off demonrats for this completely.
>>41463039ppl changed their vote cos someone got 6th place instead of 5th place in an amateur swimming competition???legitimately fascinating tbqh
>>41463093this is why we need to ban hons from trying to girlmode. passoids, boymoders, and manmoders don't do this shit.
>>41463093THISsecond post, best post
>>41463105>people not wanting to play along with men in dresses is le fourth reich
>>41463039>pronouns in emailmy work made everyone do that and i wanted to die because i was like a month on e at that point and crashing out daily. dont listen to the cons its all for cis people to pat themselves on the back to feel like they are helping trannies when it does next to nothing for anyone except if you have a gender neutral name (alex, sam, riley, etc). like if you get and email from emily there is a 99% chance that person will want you to use she/her.
>>41463107Pants ARE micro aggressions against the legless and the Nazis did wear pants? chuds are selfaware wolves
>>41463113It's sexism. "Gotta protect the wimmins!" Like actual feminists haven't been fighting against that attitude for a century.
it was also a legalized scam to practically force companies to pay outside organizations for this sort of training. the democrat political machine absolutely facilitated this, given how deep the grift goes
Normal people are put off by this and it doesn’t matter how you try to justify ithttps://youtu.be/iBRtucXGeNQI still am not convinced the people doing this shit are aware they were a part of the problem
They still haven’t rebuilt the plaza my favorite card shop was in that burned during the peaceful protests
>>41463169yeh, but can we just pause to consider she built a crusade around wanting to get 5th place???
>>41463039this is all the fault of enbies and hons. if you idiots had just realized nonbinary isn’t real and asking people to call you they them is going to cause the rapture baka the rest of u REAL trannies would be fine. hons you’re in serious trouble too. at least the boymoders stay under the radar holy fuck
>>41463258This was as big as “lets go brandon” but the media never covered it. The optics nuke was not just from embies
>>41463249Yeah. "I demand to be a different type of loser!" She wanted to be less of a loser, but only made herself more of one.>>41463258Hons have been around for decades. The difference is they used to accept that they should stay out of women-only spaces.
>>41463039Yes. People don't like being yelled at over shit that doesn't matter. I no longer give a fuck about what happens with trans rights because by far the most damaging thing to the trans community is the trans community.
>>41463039Non-binary, infinite genders, neo-pronouns, trying to change the meaning of man/woman, pushing trans kids and de-medicalizing transness did
>>41463039surprise, they weren't good people to begin with. hope that helps
>>41463333Fucking most pathetic shit imagine you get so triggered because some xenogender teenager want to be called xir and you are worried about middle schoolers bullying you on tumblr that you become a simp for authoritarian government lmaoI actually can’t believe how much of a bitch you lot all were in the end. I used to believe everyone would outgrow this shit but fuck it’s so aids.The only answer to any of this shit was the pro freedom pro choice pro do whatever the fuck you want approach. Like I do totally get the reactionary approach to punch back but it was always so disproportionate and unserious even back in the early anti feminist days. It’s actually so cringe people took it so far im glad as fuck I don’t live in the US where you always have to listen to the loudest retards on everything for some reason. Like omg can you believe I have to write my name on a name tag at work now that’s fucked let’s burn down the government. Fucking retards. You all deserve each other.
>>41463476>anon states facts>retard spergs the fuck out and proves that anon correct in the processGood job moron. People like you are the reason why the alphabet club is losing support.
>*weirdo does weird shit*>normal person: these people are pretty weird>weirdo: anyone who thinks im weird is a Nazi >actual nazis: those people ARE weird>normal people: thanks for being reasonable mr hitlerYou can see how this process could be abused by the malfeasant
>>41463039You are so stupid...You don't even see the problem.
>>41463113>ppl changed their vote cos females lose scholarships and awards/recognition
>>41463476learn to read a room, retard
>>41463613>females need special treatment, not equality of opportunity
>>41463632>Men get upset about being ranked 900th so they join the women's league and become number 1.
>left makes everyone hyper aware of race and identity >left upset whites are now racially awareLOL
>>41463653>trans woman places fifth>"number 1"I knew ciswomen were bad at math but sheesh
The unfortunate pill to swallow is that basically everything is downstream from lookism. It's because hons exist irl and normies cannot be inconvenienced by the presence of an ugly person.
>>41463681She placed first, the trans swimmer
>>414636815th in EVERY race?Or were they ever placed first?
>>41463107>“everyone is bad but victims”Yeah I really think it was this mentality more than tranny shit that pushed people away from the left. The tranny shit was annoying and stupid but constantly telling men they are evil is a great way to push men away from your movement forever.
>>41463280optics nuke began with hons but hons have always existed. its not until your uncle in the mid 2010s was asked to address someone by they them for the first time that shit really swung
>>41463169Bullshit, feminists are sexist hypocrites who fight so women can get special treatment.
at some point in the past im sure that the feminism most cis women espouse was historically progressive but that hasnt been the case for at least a decade now
>>41463107Like attempting to redefine racism in such a way that it's impossible to be racist against white people was one of the most baffling strategic errors I've ever seen a political movement take. Redefining well understood words is a tall order to start with and doing it in an actively antagonistic way (aka downplaying people's actual lived experience) is guaranteed to net more enemies than friends.
>>41463131vgh... the future they took from us...
>>41463152The only thing dumber than cis people getting mad at pronouns in signatures is mandating pronouns in signatures.>>41463258Everyone's in serious trouble. Why do you think they're reverting passoids' IDs? It's not because they intend to leave us alone.
>>41463795Feminists hate passing trans women because passing they have pussy but are also competent and are therefore more valuable than ciswomen.
>>41463861truke... i remember when people used to say passing trans women had the best parts of both men and women. can only imagine the vitriolic reaction hearing this triggered in the terfs-to-be
>>41463873TERFs absolutely HATE gay men too, because women have no power over gay men. They mald hard that gay men aren't interested in them and can't be manipulated with pussy.
>>41463709> 41:37 < 35:12That should be 29:37 desu ne? Losing by six mins also creates the empty podiums.> TiM> CyclingTims are banned from cycling since forever.> Results on tiktok and in conservatard propaganda and nowhere elseFake and gay
>>41463886i think u may be oversimplifying here. noticed a lot of terfs very cool with the complex of gay male masculinity which is pro-rape and seeks to keep trannies as femboy rape slaves. this aligns with their aims
>>41463909A good chunk of TERFs are AAP reppers. A lot of their actions make sense with that context. They hate being women, and MTFs infuriate them by delighting in womanhood.
>>41463933yeah also i think trans women are actually able to transition a lot of the time in a way that many trans men (or their terf repper aap equivalents) dont really feel able to relate to. trans women have a feasible timeline of getting srs, finding a partner who sees them as identical to a cis woman, falling in love etc but the comparative surgeries arent really there for trans men. even statistically i remember that viral poll on twitter a few weeks ago (which got reposted here) talking about how trans women prefer cis men and trans men prefer trans women. i can understand why afabs wanting to transition see the process as fundamentally impossible for them and then choose to run campaigns on the idea of it being fundamentally impossible for everyone
| Copy & Paste & Paste & Paste 41463933I'm not answering that until you have me in an intimate position because I need help with doing that.
>>41463969Plenty of FTMs are very satisfied with phallo. Plenty of other FTMs transitioned even without intending to get SRS and are doing just fine as men.AAP TERFs refusing to transition and then shitting on the idea of transition in general are just crabs in a bucket. I have no sympathy for them.
>>41463994i hope youre right. i think trans men should be able to have genitalia that dont cause dysphoria and also arent culturally seen as inferior. i dont think the latter is true yet and unfortunately it does make things harder for them. most women who date trans guys do it because theyre abuse victims in regard to cis men
the civil rights act was only 60 years ago and yall thought you could push for "trans rights" lmao
>>41464061are you suggesting that trans rights should only ever have been for white troons?
>>41464061to be fair the ahistorical one here is you. there was quite a massive shift to the progressive side of things from 2000 to 2015 long before the cultural fixation on trans women. cis women used to be really treated like dookie and patriarchal norms were a lot worse at the turn of the century. also slurs on tv like the n word were chill there was a woke revolution going on long before the trannies became the face of it. i agree that the post-60s stuff is relatively recent whether for race or sex or transitioning, but i think you really underestimate the change that america has made in the past century. the cultural contact with the nazis really provoked a serious reflection to turn the eugenic america of 1930 into the woke america of 1968
>>41464075while the groyper such as you may claim that the rapidity of this transformation also means the likelihood of its similar undoing, i think this also fails to recognize the other trends developing between the 19th to 21st centuries to turn a world very phallic-aligned to one quite feminine in its distributive nature. perhaps the best idea is how dresden and the rest of those early 20th century cities that burst into flame were literally filled to the seams with coal, because the energy economy of ww2 and before was not centered around oil globally in the way it came to be afterwards. there is, along with the development of nuclear weapons, a real possibility that there wont be another grand reactionary fascist war simply because of the processes of fixed capital transition ongoing in the past century. but you wouldnt know about that
>>41463933yeah, every TERF i've interacted with in chats over a long period has turned out to be 100% malebrained
>>41464189Nah. If they were actually malebrained then they'd just go and transition. They envy malebrained FTMs, who obtain what AAP TERFs deny themselves.
>>41463901>Results on tiktok and in conservatard propaganda and nowhere else>Doesn't know how to use a search engine
>>41463039No, it was Obama.
so women's sports is basically an exercise in handing out participation trophies to ciswomen?
>>41463933Crazy how it literally is just /pol/chuds in reverse
>>41464782>so males in women's sports is basically an exercise in handing out participation trophies to males?
>>41464816Males in women's sports is a demonstration of female inferiority and females being unable to compete on a level playing field.There's a reason the most popular women's sports are the ones in which the participants are effectively eyecandy. If people wish to see athletic excellence, then they'll watch men's sports.
>>41464834So there shouldn't be a problem with banning males from female sports?Glad we agree.
>>41463039trans rights only started to lose ground when it pissed off cis womenonce cis women got angry the underlying misandry that permeates society did the rest
>>41464846We should have only one category for sports, and end special treatment for the inferior sex. The current level of interest in women's sports outside the eyecandy ones is because of trans women. You should be thanking them.
>>41463093You’re genuinely retarded. The commies that aren’t dumb internet retards or larping middle managerial libcucks care less about this shit other than for human rights reasons, what they want is class consciousness.The retarded DEI force feeding bullshit is lib corporations trying to divide regular Americans by both legally protecting themselves from being sued whilst throwing us faggots and trannies under the bus culturally.
>>41464854Decades of systematically advantaging females and disadvantaging males in the education system and the workplace has resulted in... males enjoying greater success than females anyway, evidenced by continued complaints of inequality of outcome from females. In the meantime, Western competitiveness has declined precipitously because of forced sex equality and mandatory gender quotas. Smashing the glass ceiling for women ends up with the entire building being burned to the ground.No female has ever accomplished being elected U.S. President. The U.K. has only had one competent female Prime Minister: Margaret Thatcher, who was often mocked for being masculine. The majority of billionaires are male. The majority of Nobel Prize winners are male.
>>41464782No, it's not just about the participation trophy, it's also a key talking point for delusional feminists to imagine sexism because female athletes are paid a fraction of what male athletes are. They also bring in a miniscule fraction of viewership because no one wants to watch women fumble around and fuck up at basketball but that's neither here nor there of course.
>>41464955So why don't feminists financially support women's sports? Oh right, they don't care about helping women, only about hurting people they view as men.
trans women are mentrans men are women >>41465022>they view as
>>41465029males > females
>>41465022>So why don't feminists financially support women's sports?Obviously they don't want to watch women fumble around on the basketball court either. But it makes a useful talking point for them so they need it to continue to exist of course.
>>41464877>We should have only one category for sportsI agree.If blind people, or people in wheelchairs wanted to participate in sports, they should be forced to do so alongside everyone else.
>>41463333youre a pathetic retarded animal, literally not human
>>41463039i think costs of living are so high that people are just so confused and pissed cause the system isnt working and are trying whatever they can thats why fascism nd communism and extremism of all kinds is up and incidentally lgbtq progress was being made as costs of living were going up and theyre confused thats just how it seems to be
>>41464954How has western competitiveness declined? No non western countries have reached western levels of success and those that have come closest have egalitarian democratic systems with legal equality for women.
>>41464954the thing about women is they kind of don't want to work, and also want to be involved with men who make more money than they do.The woman who even desires to be a Donald Trump-esque businessman is a rarity. It's not in the genes.They "get their degree" which they enjoy, because education is all about social networking, and then they sit behind a desk, get depressed, quit and have kids. Or just find some middle management position where they can bully people, because they have become spiteful hags by that point.
>>41463039you spent 7 years telling people you were 100% women and time has showed them that just isn't truecis womem do not act at all like a trans women and most of you know it and post about it all the timethreatening people for not buying into your "new me" project just tells them that you think you are above their freedom to come to their own conclusions about the world around themif i am being REALLY bad faith about it i could come to the conclusion that the push you made to kick out "biggots" of all public circles was a product of you knowing that a great number of people would figure out that your claims of being "just like a real woman" or "100% a real woman" would not reflect into reality and you prefered to enstill a fear of social excusion and set the stage first before you could push for laws to take care of you.>tldr: you don't think you are real women, why should everyone else?
>>41463131>tfw rommelmoder
>>41465391Maybe they should try rationalizing their finances instead of crying about trans people. The average American has gotten too accustomed to being fat and happy.
>>41465443The West stagnated because of DEI. It should have been able to remain ahead.
>>41463039the left is extremely authoritarian and anti-democracy, though. you'd have to be a real brainlet to believe otherwise. tranny pronouns and how they alienated normies from bolshevik leftists saved western civilization.
>>41463039in what universe is the left pro-democracy? the dem party is outright totalitarian. newsom and cali dems, for example, are introducing uk-style censorship laws.
>>41466008Poor anon.You are so naive.Politics is a game of words.Do you not understand what is meant when those politicians say "Our Democracy"?It's not "Democracy".They are speaking directly to their voters. Not ALL voters.
>>41465549terfs actually believe their own bullshit. "we can always tell because ive never seen a tranny who passes" yeah because if a tranny passes then you don't know they're a tranny, and if one is pointed out to you then you make up some random feature that supposedly clocks them (but not enough for you to clock them originally...)
>>41463039Yes
>>41465549desu, I don't quite get the need to be "totally real women". Have you met real women?Fully down with people who want to do the whole thing, and be called "she", but the fact that they've got some man in them only makes them more fun to talk to. It's not to their detriment.
>>41466049MTFs weren't socialized to be high-maintenance. high-drama, men-hating nightmares to deal with. They don't go crazy every four weeks. They understand men and don't invent reasons to get mad at their partner.
>>41466114>MTFs weren't socialized to be high-maintenance. high-drama, men-hating nightmares to deal withSo they WANTED to learn to act like that?Worse than women then
>>41463039Yeah pretty much.I went from a get-along liberal to supporting fascism now because trannies are so annoying.It taught me a lesson about human nature.Being liberal basically doesn't work because 1) assholes exploit tolerance2) children cannot be treated like adultsI unironically want a fascist hyperauthoritarian state which enforces christian morality at gunpoint.
>>41466224>transing the kids creates another fascyMANY SUCH CASES
>>41463476>it's always so disproportionate and unserious when I suffer the consequences of my own turbotarded behavior>It’s actually so cringe that I can't behave like a huge mong and have other people just act as though I were normal
>>41463039Not our fault we're being used as a political tool.
>>41466224>enforces christian morality at gunpointI'm not gonna waste my effort trying to placate the fragile egos of grown adults that still believe in Santa Clause. You people have to be smoking crack if you think I'll ever submit to your delusional Sunday book club.
>>41467039>You people have to be smoking crack if you think I'll ever submit to your delusional Sunday book clubI think they're fine with you taking the bullet rather than submitting.
>>41463476>>41463614Go fuck yourself, I don’t give a shit about your feelings. You retards are the biggest fucking children out there and when people stop pandering to you, just like they stopped pandering to tumblrinas, you’ll think “how could this ever happen” just like they did. Meanwhile uber rich will continue to own your wage slave lives and shithole dystopian country because you’re all the same idiots slurping this shit up.The writing was on the wall in like 2011 how are you all still doing this. You’re actually all so fucking gullible. You think you’d learn from being on one side how manufactured it all is but no, you get to see someone else fall and you cheer for it. It was never about values. It’s all spite driven shit. You’re all the same fucking dickhead who think your personal preferences outweigh everyone else’s, and because you can’t be adults about it you will all lose it all, taking turns to feel like a winner while your nation and communities disintegrate. Literally a nation of spoiled children. I’ll be glad to see the end of it in my lifetime, maybe you guys can figure your shit out when your century of humiliation is over, but at least you’ll stop poisoning the worlds culture with your shitty drama.
>>41463039No, chuds just weave retarded villain origin stories for themselves because they're basedbrained and think they're the protaganist in a shitty movie or something.As soon as you realise that transphobes are completely dishonest about everything, including their own account of their motives and biography, the sooner we'll actually be able to make progress.
>>41467085>accues others of being wagecuck npcs in the thrall of the wealthy>shills for muh community muh nationlol
>>41467087This comic just made me religious because I want to believe anyone this smug will burn for all of eternity.
>>41467039at least believing in santa gets u gifts as a kid. believing in jesus gets u nothing
>>41463476>see I was totally on board with trans people until they started using neo pronouns, now I think the USA should fallour so called allies lol
>>41467187>mean words make the tears come out, which makes me angry
>>41464075>the woke america of 1968You absolute fucking retard, the hippies treated women worse than normie society. Feminism only got started in 1967, Notes From The First Year was published in June 1968 and normie society shit all over them.
>>41467110>still manages to turn it into team sportsextremist thinking has genuinely poisoned your brain, Americans are unable to hold simultaneously competing concepts and values and balance them, they always need to have a neat little box of positions to make them feel secure and will swap them out without a second though given the right pressure and cognitive dissonance yourselves into thinking it was always like that.Your culture is sick.
>>41467254>complete inability to read emotional contextPlease anon, I already know you are autistic and retarded, you don't need to keep trying to convince me.
>>41467244reading isn’t your strong point go back to tiktok
>>41463039>throughout the western worldwhen will you yankees understand that its literally JUST us and uk? NOWHERE else outside of those two subhuman shitholes are trans rights or democracy losing. my country finland just got better trans rights in 2023 and sweden followed suit in 2025. thats right, here in europe, the rest of the western world outside anglo shitholes, we are still making positive progress in 2025.
>>41467326hungaryrussia
>>41467326>when will you yankees understand that its literally JUST us and uk?So you mean the only countries that actually matter?Your backwoods euroshit country is smaller than a single US state.
>>41467326>finlandOh sorry you fuckers are smaller than some US cities.
you could have stopped while you were ahead. if you would have stuck with standard pronouns he/she and making people use the ones you "identify as," you could have stfu and called that a win. but then there were the individuals who wanted to be they/them, which completely breaks the english language.and then the 7,235 genders.and then the completely stupid and utterly retarded xe/xir/fae/fir shit.if you would have stopped at stage 1 and either waited or abandoned all the other crap, you'd still be riding high.but you thought you could have it all.
>>41467345>western world>>41467351>>41467362you couldnt be more stereotypical if you tried. the world would lose nothing at all if america sank into the sea
>>41467381>you couldnt be more stereotypical if you triedAnd you can pretend like you are a country but you are more like a small town in Colorado than a true "country"
>>41467366troons who trooned before 2014 hate that shit too
>>41463093if by y'all you mean jewish overlords controlling the narrative then yes true
>>41467326Their culture is so insular and divisive they think they are the entire world, and it’s ironic because they could/would be and almost were. But they built a nation of entitled children who can’t play nice with each other instead. The fact that conservatism no longer exists in the US is proof enough the adults are all gone now. It’s just spoiled kids all the way down.
>>41465391>the system isnt working>meanwhile the average American is richer than ever and the US has blasted way the fuck past the EU in GDP/cap in the last quarter century from an near-equal baseline
>>41467409US culture is the only global culture.
>>41467366>I saw things on the internet that made me upset and now I want to betray everything I ever stood forHow novel..
>>41463549>You can see how this process could be abused by the malfeasantkek
>>41467326>my country finland just got better trans rights in 2023 and sweden followed suit in 2025Sincere question: what changed? IDK shit about Nordics except that swetrannies seem to always be complaining about extremely gatekept transmedicalism
>>41467460>extremely gatekept transmedicalismbased. keep out the ones who are ngmi
>>41467418lmao you guys are such suckers for your own bullshitnobody likes your flags, your pronouns, your bibles, you’re all just as obnoxious as each other you just can’t see it from within, the world hates you and will replace you
>>41467435not really, no. i was pretty much against you from the start, so i haven't betrayed anything.there is all that commie talk and the ingrained hostility to everyone who doesn't march lockstep with whatever your ideology is today, but i didn't bring any of that up since it seemed off-topic given the thread's title.
>>41465549I never did that though
>>41467636I was also always against this shit, but that doesn’t mean I change my positions on individual liberties or freedom from government. Reactionaries are so pathetic.
>>41467764maybe the left should stop purity testing out everyone who breaks from the orthodoxy even a little bit
>>41467883Yeah. They should. So should the right. The purity testing virtue signal bullshit is aids and always has been. The internet supercharged it because everybody loves to hate on shit and are too short sighted to see how they’re hurting themselves. The fact that you say “the left” and can’t look at your own shit tells me you are just the same kind of retard in a different flavour though.
>>41468000I say "the left" because they have a widely known problem with purity testing that the right most definitely does not. There is significantly more ideological diversity on the right because they are more willing to tolerate dissent and disagreement. Anyone who questions the orthodoxy on the left is expunged from the movement. Dumb fuck.
>>41468066This is the most retarded graph I've seen in existenceDid they not even try getting the same number of ideologies for each side?
>>41468066>>41468066brain rot study>Item 1) Abortion should be illegal.>Item 2) The government should take steps to make incomes more equal.>Item 3) All unauthorized immigrants should be sent back to their home country.>Item 4) The federal budget for welfare programs should be increased.>Item 5) Lesbian, gay and trans couples should be allowed to legally marry.>Item 6) The government should regulate business to protect the environment.>Item 7) The federal government should make it more difficult to buy a gun.>Item 8) The federal government should make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans.
>>41468095>I can't understand the chart so it makes me angryFeel free to find the study and critique the methodology all you want but this isn't a "both sides" problem. The left is extremely unwilling to tolerate dissent and are happy to expunge people who even moderately push back.
>>41468066Sociology students should be hanged for wasting government money like thisWhat's the point of this past reddit style shitflinging?>The left is extremely unwilling to tolerate dissent possibly because of the fact that the "dissent" stems from fundamental differences of upheld values, while "different thoughts" in rightoidism stem from getting raped by a kike in a differently colored habit while their belief /value system is practically the same I hate the left/right divide, how could you tell?
>>41468114Please feel free to elaborate on the brain rot my friend.The point of the study is that on the left everyone aligns with the same answer to those questions, but the right is all over the place depending on the issue which is why the blue cluster is dense and the red cluster is sparse.
>>41468066>noooo my team is the gooder one actually You tards really are all the same aren’t you how tf can you be so fucking dense it’s unreal
>>41468186I am not right wing you retard.
>>41468169Let me break it down for you in crayon-eating terms>nig-nog republican will shit on everything past le fod stamps and the nig-nog benefits>faggot republican will shit on everything past faggot marriage>dyke republican will shit on everything past abortion and maybe marriagespic republican will disagree on immigrants, and yada yada yadathe "disagreement" stems from self-protection, not actual difference in thought
>>41468186This is a fantastic example of how stupid and insular lefties are because by merely CRITIQUING the left you have assumed that I am right wing.
>>41468205What a boring fucking reply. And everyone on the left only believes what they want because it fundamentally serves themselves.Why do they want rent control in NYC? It's certainly not because it will help control the rent, its because they live in a rent controlled apartment and they don't want to see their own rent go up. It doesn't matter that the policy will make everything exponentially more expensive for everyone else.
>>41468207>post ragebait image>mad the ragebait workedAnon... You perfectly know where you got this image from, and where it is used. Don't play dumb.
1. You are full of complete and utter shit2. The right wing, or reactionaries as they should be called, have not changed at all. They didn't change their views on non-whites, women, gays or trans. They have always consistently opposed them. Their entire ideological framework is to go back to pre-19th century era to establish a white ethno-state. And tokens are gonna learn that very soon. So no this wasn't "caused by trans people existing" or "pronouns". The fact is, fascism and nazism was never beaten, it simply merged into the western capitalism system and liberal democracies adopted largely fascist methods of control in order to keep the population under authoritarian control. We are simply seeing the mask finally come off after years of the post-war boom consensus finally ended.tl;dr - the issue is capitalism which causes fascism because capitalism is inherently unequal and requires more and more poor people to survive because of the tendency of the falling rate of profit.
>>41468232I'm not mad anon, I'm just disappointed to constantly be correct. It's such a burden.
>>41464952>The commies that aren’t dumb internet retardsshow me one
>>41468193lmao evenIt doesn’t matter, you are purity testing right now, trying to make a smaller and smaller circle, it’s the same shit, x group does y that’s why x group more bad Like you are purity testing for.. purity testers? Why lol. It’s so asinine. If you can’t call it out across the board irrespective of team sports you are just another cheerleader
>>41463039Imagine being afraid of 1% of the population having the same rights as everyone else.Really, the left is dead if it depends on this audience. Imagine being offended by pronouns and a random trans athlete, "Oh, b-but a trans athlete in swimming..." Imagine being so bad that you can't handle more competition. Advertising does things.
>>41468264>you are purity testing right nowI don't think you even know what this word means at this point. I am advocating for the left to be more open minded, I am not suggesting anyone be purged from the left. >If you can’t call it out across the board irrespective of team sports you are just another cheerleaderNot all problems exist in the same capacity on both sides you literal retard.
>>41468229>What a boring fucking reply.What a fucking retarded "study">Why do they want rent control in NYC? Now we moved to location-specific, described policies. Hmm. Let me guess, not wanting a tree in your local park be chopped up would be a part of "Ideological lack of diversity" as well. Nigger.>t doesn't matter that the policy will make everything exponentially more expensive for everyone else.Via what?
>>41468287>Now we moved to location-specific, described policiesIt's been on the mind because of the memedani election. But the same logic can be extended to every leftist position. Fundamentally people believe what they think will benefit themselves the most and nothing else. At least if we are boringly cynical about everything. Personally I think it's more fun to larp that these are discussions of ideas.>Via what?Reducing the supply of apartments on the market
>>41468269The J K Rollings of the world were never going to vote for the left to begin with. It's electoral suicide to take their votes seriously.It would be like Truman or JFK or LBJ deciding to alienate a large base of the Democratic party pandering to segregationists in their elections and lose the election over it.The reality is the transphobic person is the homophobic person, who is the sexist person, who is the racist person. It's all the same "otherism" of society.The solution is simple: vote in a Democrat in 2028 if they even allow voting under the Trump regime.
>>41468207It’s because you critique teams not behaviour. You betray your biases. Why do you assume I’m left? Weird how I was critiquing them too and started with that, but you didn’t assume I’m right? I’m literally conservative. Just by value, not team. I’m that way because I understand that most people are feels over reals at the end of the day, and so you all need to be slowly babied and too much of anything will have you shit the bed.
>>41468269>Imagine being so bad that you can't handle more competition. Advertising does things.Because Republicans codified in these anti-trans laws that women are the "weaker sex" and therefore should be barefoot and back in the kitchen. They aren't fooling anyone with this shit.
>>41468269>Imagine being afraid of 1% of the population having the same rights as everyone else.what rights exactly don't you have that everyone else has?
>>41468325>I’m literally conservative.What's it like being literally retarded?
>>41468314>The solution is simple: do the exact same retarded shit that got us here in the first place and hope it somehow turns out different this time
No, no it really didn't, and I'm not surprised Destiny's remaining cult would have such shitty analysis. They don't even believe trans women are women.Trans rights are just at the forefront of the socially progressive agenda, i.e. the most recent to arrive and the first to go. If trans people never fought for their rights, it'd go back to gay people. It galvanizes some people when their economic situation sucks--to act like Dems only care about trans rights, but ultimately it was a tiny, tiny part of Trump's promises/talking points and his current agenda. The exit polls I've seen at least made it very clear Trump's win was due to inflation. If it triggered them so much, then Biden wouldn't have won by 7 million votes.
>>41468311>Fundamentally people believe what they think will benefit themselves the most and nothing else.You're denying the concept of both religion and altruism, which is definitely a brave thing to do.Non-autistic children learn that people can and will have differing trains of thought from them at around 3, but it seems like you still haven't learned it.
>>41468364>The solution is simple: alienate over half our voting base because J K RollingWhen has moderating ever EVER won a US presidential election? It's about mobilizing YOUR BASED to vote. We do not care about swing voters. We only care about mobilizing the core voting based to come out to vote. That's how elections are won and that's how elections have always been one. Defeating the other side with more voters coming out to vote who are on your team. Because the other team wants to KILL YOU!
>>41468368>You're denying the concept of both religion and altruismOf course, I am asserting that neither of those things exist. Religion obviously is observed because it is in the best interest of the religoid to go to heaven for all of eternity, and no human has ever done an altruistic act that ultimately didn't benefit themselves in some way. Even if the only way it benefits them is happy brain juice going off.>people can and will have differing trains of thoughtPeople have many creative and inventive ways to mask this internal process. I never denied that.
>>41468386The democrats don't care about your retarded tranny ass and they never will
>>41468283ie purge the people who you see as divisive or incompatible. You just can’t see it when you do it, people’s capacity to do this still blows me away. And you even double down on the team sports too.There’s only one team, and we’re all on it retard. We have to carry our biggest idiots regardless of their affiliation.
>>41468405>The democrats don't care about your retarded tranny ass and they never willI can tell you are a Republican troll as you are doing the divide and conquer shit trying to depress 2026 elections.
>>41468417>Hillary would have made it illegal not to suck my gock!
>>41468406>ie purge the people who you see as divisive or incompatibleNo, you are projecting that entirely. If the left refuses to be open minded that's completely fine with me. They will just continue to shrink into further and further irrelevance. >You just can’t see it when you do itYou are projecting arguments that I never made which is where your confusion stems from. Does that happen frequently for you?
>>41468399Have you been assessed for autism?A honest question>internal process>happy brain chemicalOvergeneralization, you might as well go start living with monkeys if that's all thought processes mean to you
No, it's multiculturalism and corporatism that did it. It's a race to the bottom I'm opposed to at the core of my being.
>>41468430>If the left refuses to be open mindedWhy should we be open minded to fascists who want to kill us? You know Trump is a Nazi right?
>>41463039>just kill x minority and we will win 50 states brolike clockwork
>>41468444>The only options are Mao or Hitler!Such boring thoughts you have.
>>41468356It’s not a choice. It’s just observation/pragmatism. There is no other option. To move fast is to provoke the mob. Anybody with any real political knowledge or understanding of history should be conservative in their political approach. Anything else is just naivety that it will be different this time. Progress is built slowly, with care, with deliberation and intent.
>far-left caring about trans people is why kamala lost>also, MIGA <3I fucking love liberals!
>>41463105Most of all they are just weak and pathetic and sad. Talk to normies about covid and they'll act like they survived the Holocaust because they had to wear a mask for a year. No wonder learning a little bit about their own native language makes them chimp out. Anything that gets in the way of them maximizing their hedonistic degeneracy is an intolerable injury.Then they'll call us the fragile ones, lol.
>>41468447>like clockworkIt's like I'm reliving November 2004 all over again!
>>41468432>OvergeneralizationWe are arguing anonymously on the internet, I am not going to flesh out a full dissertation on the human mind, but hey that's what we can distill it down to for this level of communication.
>>41468458It actually is. I will tell you again, Trump genociding the trans community, the Palestinians, undocumented immigrants, and anyone who isn't a cishet white Christian male.
>>41468458>Kamala is like Mao
>>41468488Fun fact: you only got Hitler because you kept insisting people had to elect Mao to stop him.
>>41468477bunch of delusional retards that curtsy to the rube and the fascist--america deserves fascism. this is literally the regime we all deserve, for our stupidity and indolence.
>>41468503>Fun fact: you only got Hitler because you kept insisting people had to elect Mao to stop him.you get elect because capitalism needs fascism to save capitalism in crisis. you just revealed yourself as a Hitler supporter.
>>41468430You can deny it all you want, but what you are doing is transparent for anybody with eyes to see. Your words just can’t see from where you’re standing but one day you will. I’ve been there too.
>>41468501Who brought up VP Cackles in this disagreement?The left REJECTED Kamala because she wasn't vocal enough on Palestine dumb fuck. She is a symptom of the problem I am talking about.
>>41468503If fucking Kamala Harris is Mao then I'll be laughing when I see you smug people get hysterical over an actual Mao.
>>41468523leftists won't save us. remember how jews were treated under the stalinist regime. every authoritarian regime needs a scapegoat, and we are the easiest target.
>>41468532This bait is extremely low quality so I'm going to only reply to things that refer to shit I actually said. Good luck my retarded friend.
>>41468534Kamala losing has almost zero to do with Palestine, are you retarded?
>>41468523Please re-attempt but express your thought in a way that is understandable and less retarded.
>>41468534>The left REJECTED Kamala because she wasn't vocal enough on Palestine dumb fuck. She is a symptom of the problem I am talking about.Yes, but strategically that was a mistake. It would be easier to organize people and unions under a Democrats than under a literal Hitlerite.Someone described the election this way>do you want someone who will do genocide in Palestine, or someone who wants to do genocide in Palestine AND trans genocide
>>41468535Leftists would need to ever win a fucking election for that to happen, kek.
>>41468538>remember how jews were treated under the stalinist regime.You mean the regime that made antisemtism a death penalty offense and saved millions of jews from the holocaust?
>>41468066I have read that study. Only 13% of their sample size were right-wing.Anyone who is not a retard would know biased sampling would cause extreme noise in data and any conclusion derived from it. And even the study itselfs warns that nowhere should be implied that conservatives are more tolerant or "open-minded."
>>41468535Trump is literally Maoist it’s the same kind of cult of personality populist culture revolution shit even down to the post racial nationalism and “great unifier” narrative.
>>41468546>Palestine was totally irrelevant!What the fuck are you smoking? Kamala lost because she failed to turn out the same number of voters that Biden did and Palestine was a major sticking point among the left that they cited for not showing up to vote. This was like one of three issues that had a substantive effect on voter behavior.
>>41468555>Supporters of the left can't even agree enough to elect literally anyone who isn't Trump because they all hate each other for not being lefty enough in various ways>It would be easier to organize people if this group was in charge
>>41468543Same to you. You’ll need it I suspect.
>>41468570>Palestine was a major sticking pointShow polling to support this
>>41468558They don't need to win elections for you to get hysterical. You're trying to deport Mamdani and he hasn't even won any election yet.
>>41468559https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot
>>41468549Hitler, or insert right wing populist fascist, is supported by the capitalist class during times of unstable situation and crisis. US has fundamentally become a third world country since the 1970s neoliberal reforms that completely decimated the middle class in America. Now, capitalist class, headed by Silicon valley and Elon Musk, put Trump in to dismantle bourgeois democracy and legalism and replace it with a schmittian fascist regime.
>>41468589what would I get hysterical about if your retarded faggot dictators don't get elected?
>>41468573>It would be easier to organize people if this group was in chargeOrganizing was easier under Obama and Biden. Every time a Republican gets in, solitary and movements built up are completely stalled or straight up set back.
>>41468599>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plotZionist fake propaganda bullshit. Reminds me of the "antisemetic" execution of Jews in Czechoslovakia and turns out, they were executed for being ZIONISTS
>>41468585I'll just go ahead and let someone who gives a shit about polling do that. The point is that I was not calling Kamala Mao, her failure to get elected is a symptom of the purity testing.
>>41468585When I said>the options are Mao or HitlerI was in fact not referring to the 2024 election at all.
>>41468627I'm a Zionist and proud, cuck tankie
>>41463093That's enough, comrade. Why don't we step into this soundproof room and have a little chat about pronouns?
>>41468636>her failure to get elected is a symptom of the purity testingWhat is your evidence it's that and not the 20% inflation that exit-polling actually found was the #1 issue?
>i voted for a pedophile because of pronounsjacksonian democracy was a mistake
Can we stop this culture war shit and just get back to making money???I want to get back to bombing countries into democracy in exchange for US companies getting lucrative deals on their natural resources. I want to get back to private equity hollowing out failing companies.
>>41468680>Can we stop this culture war shit and just get back to making money???Republicans will never win another election again if that was the case. Their entire ideology is "talk about "those people" and make the poor stupid white people vote Republican as we cut their social safety net.
>>41468676Yeah, democrats really were retarded for voting in that pedo Biden just cause he'd use their pronouns.
>>41468636only the most terminally online actually care about Palestine
>>41468710I just don't get it.Seeing the S&P 500 (and by extension your 401(k) unless you're an idiot) go up 20% every year is a better feeling than yelling at troons could ever possibly be.
>>41468729Yeah. Kamala chose to support genocide not even for votes, just because she liked it.
>>41468739Palestine could've just released the hostagesOr not attacked Israel in the first place
>>41468735>Seeing the S&P 500 (and by extension your 401(k) unless you're an idiot) go up 20% every year is a better feeling than yelling at troons could ever possibly be.Not really. I once read a MIGAtard on twitter claiming that the GDP falling would be a good thing because the current GDP growth was caused by DEI
>>41468749Israel deliberately facilitated funding for Hamas, Hamas offered to release the hostages a few days after Oct 7th, Israel rejected that deal, then when they released the remaining hostages, Israel resumed bombing them like 10 hours later. It's so fucking boring get new talking points zogbot.
>>41468749>Palestine could've just released the hostages>Or not attacked Israel in the first placeI voted for Harris, you are fucking stupid. Maybe open a history book and go back though all of history from 1917-2023 prior to that attack and than say that with a straight face.
>>41468779It's almost like they actively want to be poor and angry. What the actual fuck.
>>41468749>Or not attacked Israel in the first placeUnreasonable, killing israelis is the only good thing they've ever done.
>>41468811Attacking Israel was fucking stupid. The rest of the Arab world will not help Palestine, because Palestinians only cause problems. That's why nobody will take them in.
>>41468825>Attacking Israel was fucking stupid.attacking israel is only thing to get people to push for Palestinian cause. Would you rather them starve to death under occupation?
>>41468825>Palestinians = HamasSaid the not very quiet part out loud again
>>41468785>Maybe open a history bookwhich one do you recommend?
>>41468836Maybe if they used aid money to purchase food instead of weapons then they'd be able to feed themselves.
stop falling for JIDF posts
>>41467187Reddit comic followed by an even more reddit response
>>41468825>Attacking Israel was fucking stupid.I dunno man, got them recognized as a legitimate state by most of the world...
>>41468841They are effectively one and the same.>>41468836It is deeply regrettable that so many bleeding heart Western leftists immediately went to bat for a people that would gladly throw them off buildings.
>>41468651>leftist = stalinist>proud zionistAnother MIGA victory
>>41468851>aid moneythe aid money goes to israel and israel's occupation government (Palestine National Authority). It does not go to helping Palestinians. US "aid" is literally funding police forces. West Bank is the most policed area on earth. You literally have zero clue what you are talking about.
>>41468851If they did that Israel would just take the food along with the rest of their land.
>>41467085You talk like a fat alcoholic single dad in his 50s on the verge of heart disease. Is that intentional?
>>41468651>Zogged nigger doesn't think he's cucked.
>>41468862If they're a legitimate state, then Israel can finally declare a formal war against them.
>>41468846https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/genocide-in-gaza-avi-shlaim/1146512419?ean=9781739090227
>>41468885But they won't because they would have to admit that they did in fact do all those war crimes.
>>41468894>muh war crimesIf Israel has been attempting war crimes, then its attempts are frankly pathetic.
>>41468873Israel would manage both resources far better than Palestinians ever have.
>>41468876Yeah. It’s called writing to you audience dumb fuck.
>>41468901>murdering civilians, specifically children and journalists by the 10s of thousands, and bombing hospitals on purpose is a pathetic attempt at war crimes
>>41468314Yes, like, they think JK Rowling can be progressive by playing minority characters, but she's literally the stereotype of the stereotype. Just look at the Harry Potter game; the trans character literally has "Sir" in her name. It's not accidental. I don't know how Dumbledore didn't have something like that; I think him being gay was made up later.I agree, transphobic people have a certain degree of homophobia, sexism, and racism, and "alienating" the public, as Op's post suggests, isn't valid. There's no need to mediate with the right to make the left grow; as if a less "social" left was all right-wingers want. I agree, but will the average American think about this? Or will they vote Republican? Some people just don't learn, even when the situation is bad.>>41468342Yes, it's literally sexist, and radical feminists think women are inherently inferior in every way — athletically, socially, intellectually... transphobia is stupid.>>41468349The right to health care, and by that I mean access to hormones, hormone blockers, and gender-affirming surgeries; the right to housing; trans people are more likely to experience situations of vulnerability, such as abuse, violence, and homelessness. These are just the basics of some of the situations that occur.
>>41468925Civilians shouldn't choose to remain in a warzone.Palestinians shouldn't build hospitals on top of military targets.Palestinians are scum who hide behind children as shields while they repeatedly carry out attacks against Israeli civilians.
>>41468940>The right to health care, and by that I mean access to hormones, hormone blockers, and gender-affirming surgeriesEveryone who isn't trans has the right to get their dicks chopped off?>the right to housing; trans people are more likely to experience situations of vulnerability, such as abuse, violence, and homelessness.>experiencing something at a statistically higher rate means you have had a right removed???Housing also isn't a right btw, nobody has that right in the US currently
>>41468962>>41468962>Housing also isn't a right btw, nobody has that right in the US currentlyUSA is a fascist shit hole, we get it. If original 1791 US constitution was enacted in 2025, it would be called a return back to Nazism and slavery. That's how fucked your shitty country is.
>>41468979what rights exactly don't you have that everyone else has?
>>41468314>The J K Rollings of the world were never going to vote for the left to begin with.She's voted left her whole life you oaf, lmaoPerfect example of how leftoid activists just throw away winnable votes to cling to their worst policies, right there
>>41468918Do yourself a favor and try not to choke on your own spit during your next drinking binge. Ironic how you people bitch about how "personal responsibility is dead" when your parents let you do whatever you want & fuck up your own lives. Now you give unsoliticited advice to younger generations while you think you're "warning" them.
>>41463039>did trans rightsNo, it's was actually trans wrongs that did it
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>>41468989>>41469039
>>41469039So move to Bolivia then I guess? In the US everyone has the same rights, even retarded trannies.
>>41468989>>41469039>>41469051
>>41468386>When has moderating ever EVER won a US presidential election? It's about mobilizing YOUR BASE to vote.Wrong>https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/opinion/moderation-strategy-democrat-republican-center.html
>>41469039>>41469051>>41469063You gonna point out which part of that says trannies have less rights than non-trannies?
>>41468989>>41469039>>41469051>>41469063>>41469061>In the US everyone has the same rights, even retarded trannies.They do not. US constitution says 10th amendment, US states can do whatever they want. So if they want to enact the death penalty for trans people they can. They already pretty much enacted Nazi style Nuremberg aws for.
>>41469079>So if they want to enact the death penalty for trans people they can.If they wanted to enact the death penalty for non-trans people they can too, what's your point?
>>41469077>You gonna point out which part of that says trannies have less rights than non-trannies?https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/nondiscrimination/defining_sexhttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/identity_documents/birth_certificatehttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/nondiscrimination/bathroom_banshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/safe_school_lawshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/youth/sports_participation_banshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/curricular_laws
>>41469092>If they wanted to enact the death penalty for non-trans people they can too, what's your point?So you think it's ok to live in a country like that? Where slavery is still technically legal in prison? A country where sodomy was a death penalty offense until 1877 in Arkansas. You are living in a NAZI COUNTRY.Image looking at that and not wanting to overthrow the US constitution.
>>41469111https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/conversion_therapyhttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/youth/forced_outinghttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/foster_and_adoption_laws/youth_in_child_welfarehttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/foster_and_adoption_laws/adoptionhttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/recognition/parenting/assisted_reproduction
>>41469128Listen dude, I think you're having a stroke.The question was "what rights exactly don't you have that everyone else has?"
>>41469156https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/recognition/parenting/functional_parenthttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/recognition/marriage_relationship_laws/banshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/fmla_lawshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/foster_and_adoption_lawshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/recognition/parenting/adoptionhttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/recognition/parenting/vap
>>41469162>The question was "what rights exactly don't you have that everyone else has?"All those rights listed that are restricted by state law under penalty of jail. You fascist pos.https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/employment_non_discrimination_lawshttps://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/non_discrimination_laws/housing
>>41469186I haven't seen a single law pointed out that was applied differently based on whether or not someone is trans. And I am not clicking all those links you're spamming, schizo-kun. The lack of special rights for your group is not a difference in rights.
>>41469186>>41469175>>41469156>>41469111based factchecker
>>41469015I think you missed something but that’s ok anon you’ll work it out eventually
>>41469207Ok so you are now going to "separate but equal" argument bullshit argument.>if a state enacts Jim Crow laws it's ok because "technically it is equal" even though bathroom laws, restrictions on trans medical care and participation in sports all target trans people and not trans people.
>>41469236You have the right to not be murdered.You have the right to not be stolen from (unless it's the government doing it I guess, fuck the government).You have the right to say what you want to without being arrested for it.You have the right to not be forced to harbor soldiers in your home.All rights apply to all people, regardless of how retarded they are. Everything you want is not the same as a right.
>>41469319>You have the right to not be murdered.Nope, state governments can>You have the right to not be stolen from (unless it's the government doing it I guess, fuck the government).Nope, state governments can>You have the right to say what you want to without being arrested for it.Nope, state governments can (passed bills allowing protesters to get run over)>You have the right to not be forced to harbor soldiers in your home.Nope, state governments can (soldiers occupying my cities is my home)>All rights apply to all people, regardless of how retarded they are. Everything you want is not the same as a right.Nope, you stupid, wrong, dum dum. All a state government has to do is pass a law "all trans people to death camps" and that is constitutionally legal according to you and the US constitution. Do you see why I'm a communist?
>>41469348>the state can violate peoples' rights if they theoretically pass a law I just made up so I specifically don't have those rightsThey can do that to anyone you retard>Do you see why I'm a communist?Yeah, cause you're a fucking retarded schizo lmao
republicans have specifically passed laws saying the government can legally discriminate against you in public buildings and property based on transgender status. That is the definition of Jim Crow.
>>41469368>They can do that to anyone you retardThey have, so you support a system that restricts peoples rights? You just admitted you do. You would fully support state's being allowed to own slaves, deny women right to vote, Jim Crow laws, sodomy laws for gays, deny trans people rights because "states' rights" right?>Yeah, cause you're a fucking retarded schizo lmaoMaybe some of us want rights and not just be at mercy of GOP controlled gerrymandered state legislature.Would you side with a state that enacted the death penalty for being trans?
>>41469424The reason nobody gives a shit if you live or die is because you're a confrontational retard who spirals out of control about unrelated retard shit any time someone points out that you said something stupid. You have the same rights as everyone else. That doesn't mean shit about what I think is good or bad about the current government. It means your rights and my rights are identical.
>>41469460their rights aren't identical bc if they encouraged their child to be trans they would be visited by cps whereas if they encouraged their child to be christian it would be celebrated
>>41469513>I'm not allowed to tell my son his penis is gross and he should cut it off, I'm being oppressed!
>>41469550if your son expressed an interest in being trans it would be illegal to encourage but if they expressed an interest in being christian you would be vilified for denying them their right to religion
>>41469319I have the right to bodily autonomy
>>41469601Yep, you sure do. YOU are allowed to do whatever YOU want to YOUR body.Unless it involves controlled substances, which would apply equally to everyone (and is bullshit btw, but it's equally bullshit to everyone)
>>41469627>"you have the right to bear arms, UNLESS those arms are guns, guns are equally banned for everyone"also unless all the menopausal women are also forced off of hrt it wouldn't be being equally applied
>>41469817The second ammendment is a perfect example of a right that is being equally violated for everyone, thanks for pointing that out.>>41469817>also unless all the menopausal women are also forced off of hrt it wouldn't be being equally applied>I'm not allowed to take chemo drugs for my headaches, this is a violation of my rights.
>>41467764No one who gives a shit abot liberty would ever use commie lingo like "reactionary." None of us would ever vote for dems either. You're bad at larping, bolshie.
>>41469884yeah I agree, that's why I used it as an example.why does the government deserve the authority to decide who deserves to be banned from purchasing hrt but not the authority to decide who deserves to be purchasing firearms?
>>41467764>doesn’t mean I change my positions on individual liberties or freedom from government.so you voted for trump then given how biden persecuted his political enemies and established a massive federal censorship infrastructure, right?
>>41469969They don't but they have it. Regardless, you have the same rights as everyone else.
>a year after dem's neo-maoist, woke cultural revolution failed>dem trannies posture as freedom-fighterslol lmao even
>>41469990Precisely, I don't think banning HRT is something the government has the right to do.Now if they want to kick us off insurance, that might be something legally viable but then you run into the problem of"Well I have to prove that this treatment is ineffective and this isn't just discriminatory", which statistically HRT for trannies is effective enough to count as conventional medicine.
>>41470009Medicare/Medicaid? Sure. But the federal govt should have no say in whether private insurers cover it.
>>41466042>jumping to conclusions like a brainletKnowing that they are full of shit doesn't make me want to give up and let their lies go unchallenged. I get too disgusted for that.
>>41470033I think legally they need to prove "Giving estrogen to tranny patients is not an effective treatment". It is relatively low cost so the bar for "cost effective" isn't that high, and most places that evaluate it fairly do evaluate it as effective. Therfore, I don't see any argument for not covering tranny HRT that isn't some sort of discrimination "well I just don't like this patient/this treatment" because for the amount of money it costs, there are plenty of other things that get similar results that are not controversial.
>>41470033>But the federal govt should have no say in whether private insurers cover it.That ship sailed a long long time ago when the government got itself inextricably tied up in how people handle their medical coverage. Ideally the government should have absolutely zero involvement with medical insurance beyond ensuring that insurance companies don't illegally defraud their customers, but once upon a time someone decided it'd be a good idea to start mandating how and when insurance would be applied and who was allowed/required to have it, how doctors could/should accept it, etc. Modern insurance isn't even insurance anymore, and now health care is more expensive than it ever was back when insurance was just an optional catastrophic thing people could buy if they wanted it.
>>41470072>Therfore, I don't see any argument for not covering tranny HRT that isn't some sort of discriminationIt's not medically necessary, done.
>>41470103Technically rehab for drug addicts isn't either, but its cheap enough and likely enough to keep them alive that most insurance considers it cost effective.HRT for trannies is the same way, and there isn't much evidence saying otherwise.
>>41470103you could use that same logic to say that estrogen "isn't medically necessary" for menopausal women who would suffer without it but not directly keel over from heart failure without it
>>41470121you need to explain why tranny stuff SPECIFICALLY is not cost effective compared to any other non tranny treatment.The basics are quite cheap and the mental improvement is measurable, therefore most consider it to pass the cost effectiveness test.Not covering it would be discriminatory, because you are specifically choosing to cover something which would conventionally pass the litmus test, but due to some ideology or personal opinion they would not be.
No. Everything that is is material security from the economy and all the social issues are just window dressing for them. When times are tough, raa raa, the other is to blame. When times are good, how enlightened we are!
>>41470121yeah, but I don't think insurance is legally required to cover drug rehab (I could be wrong though, haven't actually looked it up). Insurance companies deciding on their own they do/don't want to cover something based on whether they think it's medically necessary isn't a rights issue, it's an "insurance is a scam that the government props up through mandates benefiting insurance companies" issue.
>>41470202Mine did for a family member, idk if it was required but some choose to. I think insurance is the same with tranny stuff, some chose to cover it before they were required to since they figured happy trannies are cheaper than alchoholic reppers.(Now they have to I think because trannies count as a protected class, at least in my state)
>>41470145>you could use that same logic to say that estrogen "isn't medically necessary" for menopausal women who would suffer without it but not directly keel over from heart failure without itCorrect, and insurance companies are largely free to do so if they choose, at least at a federal level.
>>41470221In that case I respect your position, your not discriminatory against me you just got libertarian principles and i can respect that.
>>41470255(I still disagree because I think unregulated insurance companies would be a nightmare but I'm not going to hate you for thinking it might be good I can see where you are coming from)
>>41470255>>41470265I still think you run into problems though since trannies are a specific demographic, if an insurance company is choosing to not cover trannies even if they would have otherwise done so under their business practices you might have a case for discrimination
>>41469965>>41469977I don’t live in your shitty country retards. Politics doesn’t have to be a stupid team sports match.
>>41463039>>41463082>>41463105I'm going to believe this random post on r/Destiny instead of the objective evidence pointing to the contrary.
>>41469394Why can you trannys stop making yourself the victim of everything.is a never ending victim hood with you freaks.
>>41463830we are all tokens meatbag
>>41468444No one want to kill you stop making yourself the victim.
>>41469596Being trans is a delusion nobody is born in the wrong body. Your male or female biological facts over your feeling.
>claim to hate trannies>Talk about them every waking hourThe average /pol/ chud could name every single component of hrt and it's effects at this point KEK
>>41474705get on my level, you can't hate trannies properly unless you're familiar with the top SRS, FFS and VFS surgeons and can discuss their different techniques and outcomes
>>41474705You affect our life by forcing your life style down people throat then cry like bitches when you get a critic what do you expect retard.
>>41474900>You affect our life by forcing your life style down people throat?Thats not what happens though. The average troon is just like.>I want to be able to pay for my treatment and not get hatecrimee please and thank you.
>>41474915the united kigdom arrested over 10000 people for hatecrimes. why don't you go there?
>>41474921Too many immigrants all of whom are homophobic as shit
>>41474942hahahaha
>>41474915The average troon is a ban happy powermod
>>41474915Hate crime is not real
