I'm trying not to be transphobic, but like... how is this not just the same male sexual entitlement as incels? women saying no to you isn't oppression baka.
>>41473079we are bringing back talking points from 2015 now?
how is that even realpeople need to stop complaining that other people won't have sex with themthat's a you problem. You can't demand other people find you attractive, it will never work
>>41473079there is no way this is real omfg this is why i will boymode forever
>>41473090transwomen didn't stop telling lesbians it was transphobic to refuse them sex for being trans in 2015.>>41473114straight men are raised to feel entitled to sex from women.>>41473119just accept that you're not a lesbian and leave lesbians alone and you'll be fine.
>>41473171Wah wah raped retard troons should rape and impregnate you more
>>41473079If i refuse to fuck someone simply because they are a cop then im acting in a way that is discrininatoryIf i refuse to fuck a cop because i assume they're all wife beaters thats still discriminatoryIf you have a heart attack in the street technically no doctor has to stop, they can just walk past and let you die. There is a difference between saying someone must do something, and that someone is wrong for chosing to invoke their rights in a way that needlessly harms others
>>41473197>There is a difference between saying someone must do something, and that someone is wrong for chosing to invoke their rights in a way that needlessly harms othersis not having sex with biological males because you're a lesbian "needlessly harming others"? I don't think not wanting to have sex with someone of a sex that runs counter to your orientation is "needless", nor do I think sexual rejection counts as "harm", especially not on the level of your analogy where someone is left to die. I don't get why males feel like they have some kind of right to sex.
>>41473079>how is this not just the same male sexual entitlement as incels?How is it entitlement to point out discrimination...? The wikipedia page doesn't say "and cisgender women should fuck trans women right now or they are shit allies and should kill themseves"... It just says there's bias in the selection process built on discrimination...
>>41473079No, it is not. You do not have to date anyone ofc, but just like if you refuse to date someone only because of their skin color or their ethnicity you are racist, in the same way if you refuse to date someone only because they are trans, you are transphobic.
>>41473326lesbians don't refuse to date transwomen because they're trans, they refuse to date them because they're male. many lesbians date transmen who are also trans, because transmen's sex aligns with their sexual orientation.
>>41473340They don't date them...? Idk man. It isn't entitlement to point out discrimination.
>>41473079trvke is, it's not bc you're trans, it's because you're ugly and/or malebrained, most lesbians would date someone trans who's their exact type. most trans women aren't that, and do not have their shit together. hope this helps!
>>41473079>Complain they can't get pussy even after transition MtFs truly are males lmao
>>41473079The phrase "cotton ceiling" is gross as fuck.
>>41473090Lol as if troons didn't still believe that
>>41473296because by cis women claiming it's an entitlement, they can push their victimhood status more.
>>41473296What's the purpose of pointing it out, if not to guilt trip people into fucking you? Everyone discriminates when it comes to sex and relationships
>>41473528>because by trans people claiming people not fucking them is transphobic, they can push their victimhood status moreFTFY
>>41473079ftms that demand gay men fuck them aren't entitled or are they?
The funny thing is when ur hot ppl want to have sex with you and ask and you don't even have to ask ever.The only "cotton ceiling" ive known is me saying no to ppl lmao
>>41473545Anyone demanding that anyone fucks them is entitled retard.
>>41473394it's not discrimination to only be interested in females, it's called having a sexual orientation.
>>41473528This makes sense>>41473536A wikipedia article about bias is guilt tripping you? Girl stand up....
>>41473459>>41473171>>41473544>>41473340>foids cannot be in the wrong in ANY situation WAAH foid can only be heckin victimI wonder why feminism is so hated
>>41473340>dykes groom young FTMs into detransitioning because of their rabid man hatred and this shows actual pattern of attraction somewhat
>>41474007>troons HAVE to get cis pussy no matter whatI wonder why transgenderism is so hated
>>41474007>nooo if you don't have sex with me you're a bad person
it's part of transmaxxing
>>41473079>feminists criticise male dating standards>good>tranny criticises cisoid dating standards >badit's funny how every 'reasonable concern' is just the same old in-group/out-group transphobia
>>41473079Three vastly majority of transbians were chaser chuds or bitter incels that thought taking ze estrogen would make all their retarded thought patterns valid.
>>41474820>I CAN HAVE ANY STANDARDS I WANT DUMB MOID>h-he wants "healthy women?" MISOGYNIST WOMAN KILLER YOU NEED TO LIKE HAMPLANETS BOO
>>41475051My post also applies to those people, I am sympathetic to neither lol
>>41473079>trans woman>….not just the same male sexual entitlement as incels?It literally is male sexual entitlement.
>>41474715It'a funny how holes kwetching most about it aren't even the lesbians troons want to date. And how trannies do manage to get lesbian girlfriends, but simply are ridiculously screeched at by raped "feminists". It's as if it's not a "no pussy problem" but a "why are you a human being and not my progressive sexless activist figurine" problem.
>>41475089 false flag made by >>41475078
>>41473079>>41473171>>41473536>>41474820This is obviously just a baitpost and none of you are interested in good faith discussion about this, but I am compelled to post feminist philosophy:>The question, then, is how to dwell in the ambivalent place where we acknowledge that no one is obliged to desire anyone else, that no one has a right to be desired, but also that who is desired and who isn’t is a political question, a question often answered by more general patterns of domination and exclusion.>When we see consent as the sole constraint on ethically okay sex, we are pushed toward a naturalization of sexual preference in which the rape fantasy becomes a primordial rather than a political fact. But not only the rape fantasy. Consider the supreme fuckability of “hot blonde sluts” and East Asian women, the comparative unfuckability of black women and Asian men, the fetishization and fear of black male sexuality, the sexual disgust expressed toward disabled, trans, and fat bodies. These facts about “fuckability”—not whose bodies are seen as sexually available (in that sense black women, trans women, and disabled women are all too fuckable), but whose bodies confer status on those who have sex with them—are political facts. They are facts that a truly intersectional feminism should demand we take seriously. But the sex-positive gaze, unmoored from Willis’s call to ambivalence, threatens to neutralize these facts, treating them as pre-political givens. In other words, the sex-positive gaze risks covering not only for misogyny, but for racism, ableism, transphobia, and every other oppressive system that makes its way into the bedroom through the seemingly innocuous mechanism of “personal preference.”- Amia Srinivasan, The Right to Sex: Feminism in the 21st Century
>>41473079Transgenderism is the latest iteration of toxic masculinity.
>>41475108translate it from academic
>>41475133Nobody is entitled to sex or love, but pretending that people's sexual preferences aren't influenced by social norms is a crock of shit. If we pretend that all those preferences are 'natural' just to spare people's delicate fee fees we make bigotry more acceptable.
>>41475187i still don't get it
>>41473326> in the same way if you refuse to date someone only because they are transby that logic gay men are misogynistic and lesbians are misandrist
>>41475108>not whose bodies are seen as sexually available (in that sense black women, trans women, and disabled women are all too fuckable), but whose bodies confer status on those who have sex with them—are political factsThis is a sad view on life and sexual attraction, even in defending black, trans, and disabled women, her only compliment is on their "availability." I've fucked a lot of people outside norm of what would gain me social status, and it's because I found them hot, rather than available.
>>41475234Okay I'll translate it into caveman:>WHEN GRUG SAY GRUG NEVER FUCK (ADJECTIVE) WOMAN BECAUSE STINKY GROSS, SOCIETY GET MAD, CALL GRUG BIGOT>BUT WHEN GRUG SAY GRUG NO FUCK (ADJECTIVE) WOMAN BECAUSE GRUG HAVE PERSONAL PREFERENCE FOR WOMEN WHO NOT (ADJECTIVE), SOCIETY SAY OH THAT JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE, NOT PROBLEM>NOW GRUG NEVER SAY GRUG HATE (ADJECTIVE) WOMEN, GRUG JUST SAY GRUG HAVE PERSONAL PREFERENCE>IF (ADJECTIVE) WOMEN SENSE THAT GRUG IS USING LANGUAGE OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE AS COVER TO SAY BIGOTED THING ABOUT THEM AND COMPLAIN, GRUG SAY THEY AREN'T ENTITLED TO GRUG'S BODY>GRUG KNOW THAT NOT WHY (ADJECTIVE) WOMEN ARE UPSET, BUT GRUG PREFER PRETENDING (ADJECTIVE) WOMEN ARE BEING UPPITY TO EXAMINING GRUG'S DEEP-SEATED PREJUDICES TOWARD (ADJECTIVE) WOMEN
>>41475335Wrong
>>41475340of course it's a sad view, it's the prevailing view of a society wihch hates all those aforementioned groups of peopleyou seem to be mixing up descriptive accounts and prescriptive accounts
>>41475108is this from a good critique of sex positivity (acknowleding how it can be coopted) or is it from a bad critique of sex positivity (anti-sex neo-prudery)
>>41475340She's making a descriptive statement, not a positivist one. Elsewhere she praises movements like "black is beautiful" and "trans is beautiful" because her position is that people DO find women from those groups hot, but that they know they're not 'supposed' to because those groups are lower status.
>>41475353is this supposed to critique personal preference?
Black peepo can fuck each other. Fat peepo can fuck each other. Transbians can fuck each other. Problem solved.
>>41475380Good critique, Srinivasan leans heavily sex-positive but is critical of how sex-positivity as a framework is open to co-optation.
>>41475419might check it out, sorry if my reply seemed inane there's just a deluge of sex-neg stuff being shilled everywhere now
>be transbian>pester women for sex>drive lesbians away from every public online space on the internet>continue to act like a incel manchild in general>be mad that no one will have sex with youTransbians are fucking retarded.
>>41475369>you seem to be mixing up descriptive accounts and prescriptive accountsI'm just reading at as written. She gives a descriptive account of people only selecting based on social status. But her counterpoint is prescriptive: these bodies should be selected because they are available. Not a particularly appealing prescription.Although as per >>41475386, it seems she's clarified something more appealing elsewhere. I'd say it applies to some people in some cases but not others. For me, of the examples given categories (black women, trans women, obese women, disabled women), I'm into the first two and have enjoyed them quite a bit. And there are certainly people into some of these but only on the DL. So I agree that she's pointing out some real things.But some people simply aren't into some things. A lesbian who only wants other cis women's sexual orientation isn't simply aligned with society or she'd be into men. And a cis man who's only into cis women may be aligned with society, but that still may be his actual orientation.
>>41475604>But her counterpoint is prescriptive: these bodies should be selected because they are available.This is a hilariously disingenuous reading, it's obvious from that passage alone that she isn't saying that the attractiveness of said groups should be rooted in their sexual availability
>>41473340nuh uh, they like trans man because they're woman
people are allowed to reject you for any reason they feel likeit doesn't matter if you personally do not like the reason, it's their rightarguing to the contrary literally makes you an advocate for rape
