>>41473461
I’m a guy but this post reminded me of my trans friend who killed herself and made me deeply sad. I miss her so much.

> Why do they do all of this to us.
No idea. I have nothing against trannies. The worst I have done is to smile cause a tr00n was dressed like a clown. Murderous hatred, disgust and rage, though? That might be due to something in the air, soil or water. Going forward, someone will figure it out just like how they were able to do that with lead.

>>41473597
The lead poisoned ones not only haven't died out yet but are running our governments and propaganda machines

>>41473461
Trvke

We should all look out for each other more. No one else will. We don't have anyone else.

>>41473685
I will

>>41473570
Sorry for your loss anon. I really miss my trans friend too

>>41473597
Fascists hate us because we, like many others (e.g: other people with mental disorders, disabilities and ethnic minorities) don't fall under their view of "perfect genetics" even though humans are also animals that have a huge variation on genetics and it's dumb to expect everyone for fall into x and y boxes (cough, intersex people).

A lot of "religious" people also hold the stance above based on selective scripture and indoctrination (instead of "scientific" reasons), in which they believe everyone is born perfect and that the "evil influence of the devil through society and media" corrupts people and many of them try to maintain traditionalist views stated in religious scriptures.

A lot of the types of people above usually are in places with a tonne of social and economic capital, which gives them a lot of control over societal narratives and what "should and shouldn't" be acceptable.

That results in your average jane, or joe, who is working a 9-5 just to barely pay rent and food while still being in student debt, not having the time or energy to research up on these topics, and instead trust the people in power to tell them what is right and wrong (which usually results in them being ignorant).

A lot of these normal people are also unhappy by the state everything right now, so they look for someone to blame, which threatens a company's bottom line (e.g: CEOs, politicians, shareholders). So, to keep people complacent, the people in power create a moral panic by selecting specific cases/stats where 'group x' does something sociably deemed unacceptable and presents it as if most or all of 'group x' is immoral and the reason for the state that society is in.

This results in both ignorant and reasonable people becoming radicalised to fight against the supposed threat, punching sideways and down, meanwhile the people in power continue to siphon the lifeblood out of society to line their pockets.

Obv this is too generalised and it's a lot more nuanced

>>41473800
At least, that's what I believe, but I'm retarded and brainrotted, so it's like whatever

Sucks to suck. I'm not sticking my neck out for a "twinkhon" embarrassment who trooned out because talking to girls was too scary. My husband will look out for me

>>41473830
You'll make a great kapo I'm sure

op is right. it happened to gay men until they demanded action. stop the pickme routine, morons

>>41473874
up your meatbag game

>>41473461

*hug*

>>41473800
why can't it be both? why can't we punch up and down?

>>41473685
Offer odd jobs to trannies

>>41473461
even if someone helped me now there's no helping me
I'm a manmoder and I will never pass, I will never be happy

>>41475472
Punching up (e.g: boycotts, mass gathering protests) usually requires, more co-ordination, people, money and time to actually affect the people in power than punching down (e.g:internet psyops and arguing bs, harassing and recording people you don't like).

(repeat cause autism)
To punch up with effect, you need to be a large, vocal and organised group.

To punch down, all you need is a phone, a social media account and a controversial take to divide an entire community.

You can't really do both at the same time, soo yeah

"Every city or house divided against itself will not stand."
-Matthew something
(I love Jesus <3)

>>41475649
if we all become fashits we can punch down enough for it to look pack around. that's what my favorite federal agent richard spencer meant by becoming the victimizers.

>>41475830
loop back*

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>>41473461
Trans women need to help each other out more. Jews and pajeets (and really every non-white group) in the West will work diligently to high positions then use those positions to help their own group. Trans women don't do it enough. There are barriers of course, we are born to members of the outgroup, who are typically our most enthusiastic tormentors, and that typically leaves many of us in a mental condition which is not conducive to productivity. Those of us who can, however, should be doing more to help out our fellow troon. I work hard every day, I try to be virtuous as possible, I help out the trans women I can. I work towards being in a place in my career where I can do more to uplift other trannies. I wish it were a more common sentiment.

Trannies raped me. For all I care you can all die. You made sure I was on my own desecrated lost all my tranny "friends" and made it so I'd never feel safe with anyone ever again.
The only tranny that matters is me (and my partner) y'all can fuck off.

>>41475844
i would more if they weren't such ungrateful bitches, hard being the only full time employed bitch i know of.

>>41475879

The fuck are you doing here then? Trolling the tranny bored looking for more people to rape you?

>>41475830
Nah, fashits will eat and outcast their own the moment they stop serving their "purpose", and it's not a sustainable model, especially if it's authoritarian in nature, since enough people will get sick of it and will try to organise a revolt, and might turn people communist

>>41475907
I was here before you faggot. I will be here after you 41%. I can't escape.

>>41475879
Sorry that you experienced that, hope you can learn to heal and move on from that, even if it's tough

>>41475884
I'm not saying "hand every tranny you know a stack of money". Even just helping create a stable environment can give something to other trannies which they lack.

>>41475922

I know you're here. I'm asking why you're here. This is the tranny board. Why do you hang out in a place filled wall to wall with people you consider dangerous rapists that ruined your life?

>>41475908
accelerate

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I wish I could help fellow trannies, but it would be just so painfully expensive. Average tranny needs 5 figures worth of surgeries and often international relocation from their country where they have no chance at a career or changing legal gender. The trauma and financial blow from parent abuse or abandonment ruins any chance of stable financial situation. We need institutional level backing beyond lame drag queen events and festivals, but nobody is willing to make real change

>>41475987
it's called speaking up, concern troll.

>>41475994
>We need institutional level backing
Well we aren't getting that from cis people. Best you'll get is "not genocide". It is on us to build our institutions.

>>41475987
Because I'm a tranny.
Not all trannies are rapists but you all might be and I'll never trust you again.

>>41475956
Thanks, trying to. I don't think i can. That is why I come here at my most dissociated to idk, rant. It's the only way I can rant.

>>41476039
Perfectly valid, all of here are hurting in some way

>>41476088
That's why I still enjoy it here sometimes.
I have a part of me that totally agrees with OP, and another part that hates OP and every tranny etc
I might be literally DID though so yknow it's whatever

>>41476110
it's a good thing. or maybe we all should leave 4chins forever.

>>41473461
AGP self-pity, threatening suicide to get your way like the abusers you are.

>>41476018
The lucky few trannies who were shielded from neglect and abuse by shitlib high HDI areas didn't do shit either when they still could

>>41475980
ive built a decent sense of safeness for some girls i know whove been kicked out, socially ostracized etc but i wish the favour would be returned sometimes, just even hanging out without me having to prompt it all the time. life is rly lonely in the situation im in and i can imagine it is for other corpo girls, busy with work, dating guys sucks, you dont really want to hang out with the polycule types anymore etc etc.

>>41476110
Mood, I hate being trans because all it's done is bring me pain and suffering and I feel like an afront to God all the time.

But if I just identified as a cis gay man, I'd legit just kill myself because the want to be born as a woman instead, to socialise in trivial but healthy relationships, give birth to a child and raise a happy family is too much for me to bear (I fucking hate my brain so much auughhh).

Since I'm trans, I might as well stay alive despite feeling like I'm a walking monstrosity (I legit just look like an average guy but the body dysphoria is real) so I don't add to a statistic of suicides and as a form of resistance that at best, is either apathetic to our existence or sees us as sex objects, and at worst, wants us to commit suicide. Even if it means barely staying alive

>>41476287
Missed out a bit
>so I don't add to a statistic and as a form of resistance against a society that at best-
(fucksakes I'm so stupid)

>>41476146
We definitely should
>>41476287
I mean I'm never kms. I dont have much issues with being a tranny or maybe I do idk being cis would probably be easier but it is so far down the list of problems I have

>>41476287
>>41476370
you shouldn't feel that way about yourself. god isn't real. there is no authority you owe something to. what keeps you going instead of becoming a martyr?

>>41476561
Yeah that's fine, we all have different priorities and ways to cope with things <3

>>41476608
>you shouldn't feel that way about yourself

No one deserves to feel that way, but unless if you're really lucky and you're raised with an amazing support group (e.g: loving family, friends, good teachers etc) you usually get beaten down and a lot of people become jaded, and hateful individuals. I'd rather hate myself than hate the people around me, because everyone has their issues and it's their prerogative to turn that into something positive, which is usually the harder thing to do.

>god isn't real.

Valid opinion, at the end of the day, what we believe influences our actions and morals, whether that be from science, or religion and that's what matters.

>there is no authority you owe something to.

People who only do "good" things to appease God are not truly good people, because they only do it to appease God, rather than from the goodness of their own hearts. They expect to do good and receive praise for it.

>what keeps you going instead of becoming a martyr?

A lot of things. A while ago, I made a long vent story post regarding my background, and one of the things I talked about was how I tried unalive-ing myself constantly both during my pre-teen and teen years. I survived and came away from that with a lot of new views. Killing myself would be a loss regardless of if anyone cared or if it affected anyone because it's a loss of potential. My life experiences, your experiences are valid regardless of how other people see them, because everyone experiences life differently. I realised that maybe one day, I could do good in this world, directly or indirectly.

Maybe someone sees these posts and feels less alone in the world and their struggles, or maybe a few kind words to someone, regardless of their authenticity and connection, could be the difference between someone staying alive, or feeling worthless and choosing to end it.

>>41473461
This reminds me of the healthygamer clip where he points out that AMAB suicides are almost always by people who had no clinical signs of depression even when in therapy, but had actually made a logically correct decision about their situation and how to solve it: suicide. We share a suicide epidemic with cis men for the same reasons, because the world just sees us as cis men anyway, and maybe even worse than that from time to time.

>>41473685
I try but I don't have the money to employ anyone and I keep getting cancelled for being pro-life

>>41477065
you're morally superior to me. it's sad that queers like you get exploited for their empathy.

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>>41475844
I've done this but >>41475884 is right. 19 times out of 20 they take what little grace you can afford them and then spend it all on having daily 18 hour adderall binges of pay2win trash, porn and being a BPDemon to every woman and rightwing commentator they can find all over social media. I've also been doxed and reported to police BY FELLOW MTF for advocating DIY to people who are getting axed from healthcare in red states. It's fucking brutal trying to help us, let alone from the position of being one of us.

>>41477065
I'm also currently on a clean streak. Last time I tried committing suicide was when I was round 14-15, and the last time I cut myself was a few months ago.

I know that there's a light at the end of this if I keep going, just surviving one more day is proof to myself that I can keep doing it.

I might relapse back into SH at some point, but I don't care too much about that, since it's a coping mechanism (even if it's unhealthy) and I'd rather do it to survive, and I still have hope that one day I'll actually start living instead of surviving, and maybe I'll be able to help people in more meaningful ways too.

Also haha fuck it we ball is stronger that the it's so over mindset

I have not come this far to die now
(I love L4D2 corny ass lol)

>>41477195
have you considered violence? fighting back?

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>>41473461
Imagine all the updoots this would've gotten if you posted this on one of those normgroid subreddits. Tourists baka

>>41477139
Don't be hard on yourself, it's a part of life, especially in the dumbass world we live in.

Also morals can change, for better or worse. It's always harder to be kind so I understand why a lot of people become apathetic or hateful towards things, we're doing what we can do to survive in the ways that have been taught to us.

I would never want anyone to go through the life I experienced, and there are days where I see people, or things, and I feel jealous, angry and upset. None of us are perfect, it's what makes us human, and that's fine. But we can always choose to do better and that's the magical part <3

>>41477290
>get desensitized to gore and violence
>grow bitter, hateful and spiteful
>???
>le epic nazi victory
>>41477307
i don't believe in that. i believe in the guillotine

>>41477290
reposting to r/trueoffmychest brb

>>41477290
Imagine I gouge your eyes out and rape your throat kirk style

>>41477325
Cool story xister

>>41477395
black sun is inevitable, it could be in two weeks

>>41477379
I'll pray for you and wish you have a safe and blessed day :3
>>41477410
Vrilliant

>>41477171
>rightwing commentator
What's wrong with that lol? These grifters deserve deatg

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>>41477421
never lose your smile

>>41477238
Personally, our existence in this world is enough to fight back against a lot of people who don't believe we are real, because our experiences are real and valid.

Using violence would only be leveraged against us by the people in power to portray us as vile abominations (they already are) to the normies and other people who can be sympathetic to us, but never empathetic, which turns the majority against us.

Violence only ever really works when it's the majority, not the minority, and even then, being violent is arguably immoral.

But that doesn't mean, I don't understand why people want to be violent. They want to release their anger and frustrations into the world and it's a way of showing that yes, we exist, and yes, we're alive.

But that's why we have people making angry music, making vent art, or even videogames about their traumatic life experiences. There's ways to turn that anger into something positive, even if it takes a lot of mental and physical willpower to do so

>>41477462
interesting. i been thinking in the opposite direction. that our anthropic (human) narratives are false and should be destroyed, abrahamism is evil and a tool to justify sacrifices, everyone just tolerates what this disgusting world has become. i want to blow up an empty building to make an argument for suicide and death penalty.

>>41477325
Honestly, been morbidly curious about what a revolution on TERF island would be like, we were invaded by the Normans anyways

>>41477462
It's way more beneficial to uplift and support trannies who aren't druggie deadbeats (or at least trying to do something with their life despite overwhelmingly negative circumstances)

>>41477536
number one: kill all pedos in the government
number two: dissolve the government and replace it with neighboorhood watches/some collectivist nonsense, i don't know what is the leftist equivalent of this
number 3: don't tolerate crime, just fucking kill them.
that place needs to get cleaned up from all the trash.

>>41477522
>our anthropic (human) narratives are false
Arguably wrong and correct, since society and everything to do with it was made by humans and humans both can tell the truth, and lie.

>abrahamism is evil and a tool to justify sacrifices
More controversial imo. A lot of morals for good in modern societal structures and laws can be fundamentally traced back to religious scriptures. Like, fuck me, if I was raised in a different setting, maybe I wouldn't have as much of a strong moral stance that I have now (though I do understand that a lot of atheists were also formerly religious.)

However, I agree that Abrahamism and the religions that have spawned from it have, and can be used for evil. A lot of people use religious scriptures to justify their hate and bigotry, and that many people also use religious history to justify evil things that have happened and are happening.

I hate those kinds of people, because a lot of them take religious scriptures written and interpreted by humans as verbatim, with 0 nuance (like, the English translated bible is so fucked because the Catholic church was so corrupt in the Medieval times and a lot of religious sections still are now). I see those people are fake religious people, they only do it as a performative thing to gain either "positive societal points" or to gain karma points to a deity that they DO NOT have unwavering faith in. But ultimately it's not my place to judge them, that's God's responsibility, and the least I can do is show understanding, compassion and not stoop down to their level.

>everyone just tolerates what this disgusting world has become
So real sister

>i want to blow up an empty building to make an argument for suicide and death penalty.
Joker vibes, but for real, that is extremism, and extremism of any kind isn't good imo, because usually that just results in more hate.

>>41477756
that's the thing, anyone can point out to what's wrong and call themselves god's prophet, but it's all about power. i do want to spread hatred, because i want humanity to go extinct. or at least the current techno-industrial society.

>>41477576
Perfectly understandable take, I know a lot of people argue against it, but fairness is a more sustainable and beneficial system than equality.

However, it would be unethical to leave people out just because of their life choices because we all make shitty choices, and sometimes we just lack access to the support to get out the ruts we're in, whether that be mental health support, financial support et etc (of course there's always exceptions).

It's basically functionalism and ethics, and I'm just a dumbass girl on the internet, so I don't really have a system in mind that balances both of those.

>>41477840
how many times have you fallen on your face with that approach? do you think your faith serves you or those who use you?

>>41477432
Nothing, but you need a source of income to survive, and arguing on twitter only pays the right wing more in ad revenue the longer you do it.

>>41477432
there are far more worse crimes and far more closer crimes than caring about what people express on the internet.

>>41477807
Yeah, I wish people who had good intentions weren't exploited and ousted at every given point, but it's legit just innate human nature for people to take advantage of a situation for their own gain (because in a previous life it was the difference between life and death).

But hey, that's why the generations who came before us fought against those instincts, to try and make a better world for their children, for us.

It would also be dumb to ignore traditionalism, since it's also been a part of human nature. But arguably it's only become worse with the recent generations (boomers, baby boomers, every generation even up gen Z) because of society, politics, corruption and greed.

I'd argue that while burning everything to the ground seems like the only way forward, it would be unfair to leave Gen Alpha and all generations going forward with the mess that all of this would make. Usually I don't go around huffing copium and hopesmaxxing, but when it becomes about our children and future generations, it eats me up inside to think that they'd grow up in a society worse than it is right now, and the suffering I've been through, but amplified. There's more to the world than just you and me, and I know everything might suck right now, but I believe things can change for the better without destroying everything.

>>41478043
i hate pretending i have a value other than being a meatbag for the machine. you're trying to sell people hope in a world that doesn't care about any of us.

>>41477864
Pretty much all the time. Literally until I started uni, my mum would always exploit my understanding and manipulate me so she could feel better. But I'd be a grifter to spew everything I just said and just change views every time the wind blows. Sure, my personal identity and views about myself are insecure as fuck, but when it comes to my worldviews, I stand solid, because it's more than just about myself. It sucks that people exploit me, some people do it just to survive, some do it because they're hurting and need to hurt other people to feel better, and sometimes, people do it just because they're evil. But there's always the hypothetical person that might be genuine and need help, and I'd rather have my doors open then, than be shut just because other people hurt me. Even if that person never comes, that's alright it doesn't matter, because it's the right thing to do and when I die, I'll know I died for what I believed and that I tried, even if I don't make that much of a positive impact on the world at all.

>>41478167
and god watches from his cuck corner. right. don't you wish to be something more than a meatbag resource? how does dying in silence help anyone, why don't you get loud? why don't you aim higher, with violence?

>>41478113
>you're trying to sell people hope in a world that doesn't care about any of us.
You're right that the world doesn't care about us, and it's not our fault that we're born into this wretched world either. But it's our choice to subscribe to the same values and beliefs the world forces onto us.

I want to care about the world, ultimately because I want to, not for monetary or societal gain. You and me as individuals, we are the ones that assigns our self values and self worth. There's more to me than just being trans and going through suffering, it's one of the reasons why I haven't just committed suicide. Sure, I feel like shit, but there's always more to life than just that. A lot of people get crushed over and over by society until they just give up, and accept their place as a meatbag for our capitalist corpo machine. But that's what the people in power want. They want to crush us, give until we have nothing left to give, but I want none of that. So I exist. I exist to defy them. My existence is enough proof to me, that they are wrong and that I shouldn't give up, shouldn't bend over and just fucking take it. And that's enough for me to live hold steady in my values, regardless of how shitty I feel and how fucking crappy this world treats us.

Also it's fine to disagree with me, you don't have to hope or feel happy or feel uplifted. Fuck, you can be disgusted and angry with everything I'm saying and think I'm naïve. We are all raised different, and have different struggles in life so we have different worldviews and ways to cope. You're valid for having the views and feelings you have, and don't let anything I've said make you think otherwise.

>>41478226
I do it for myself, not for God, sure if he's appy with it, that's cool too. Most people who say they'll only do things for God, in the name of God are zealots or grifters and will use his name for evil. Goodness in this world truly comes from within us.

For me, violence is a last resort. I've been physically violated for a lot of my life (especially during my formative years) by people, including the people who were supposed to protect and raise me.

I'd never want anyone to feel hurt or scared, because it's not right. I'd never want ANYONE to to experience the things I've been through. No one deserves that.

There's ways to be loud without being violent, and history has shown that it can work. We can protest in public, we can do sit ins, we can make literature and media talking about our struggles and that we existed. We can fight back in ways that aren't violent, because being violent will only feed the ones that oppress us and give them more ammunition to suppress us more. It will give them moral "justifications" to crack down on us, even if we're in the right. The people who oppress us want 3 outcomes, for us to submit and give up, for us to disappear via suicide, or by going out violently. All 3 of those outcomes benefit their cause, and I refuse because we can do things differently.

>>41478337
>>41478466
what if you're going to lose, like ted kaczynski predicted. what if it's better to collapse it now than later? what if it's better to stop hoping that you won't be raped again? there are not many people like you. because they disappear. as a statistic. i think the only difference between us is that one of us is evil, and that's what is being optimized for. maybe the only reason why you're tolerating is because you're expecting goodness to win, humanity to change. i don't believe in that. i want the judgement to come. and i don't expect anyone to exist after it.

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>>41478551
>what if it's better to collapse it now than later?
Most things in life are a gamble, and regardless of the outcome, I'm sure everything that is happing right now will be studied in the future, for better or for worse.

>what if it's better to stop hoping that you won't be raped again?
Funny, this is something I never really hoped about not happening again. I've always liked men, but I'm afraid of them too. The late nights when I'm coming back from uni, and the lady in front of me crosses the road for her safety, while I'm scared about the man behind me, especially when I hear the pace of the footsteps pick up so I pull out my phone just in case. While I usually don't pass, there's a few times where I'm androgynous enough to malefail, and people stare and I fucking hate it so much. I live in fear that something bad will happen again, but that doesn't mean I should let that control me, because people who do things out of fear eventually end up hurting people, even if they don't mean it. If it happens again, then it is what it is, and as long as I'm alive after it, I can live with it, learn to work through it.

>there are not many people like you. because they disappear. as a statistic.
So true, the brightest stars burn the fastest, and that's how life is. I know I can never predict the future and maybe one day I'll just snap regardless and disappear, but I've accepted that because I've lived the other way, and I hated that even more.

>i think the only difference between us is that one of us is evil
While not justifiable, it's understandable why you hold the views you have now.

>maybe the only reason why you're tolerating is because you're expecting goodness to win
True, that's a big factor. I'll probably either jaded, or gone when that happens, but the bible teaches us that Jesus will comfort the ones who suffer in death and that he will forgive us, so I will hope, even if it isn't true because the alternative might as well be death.

>>41478858
moses was a mass killer, jesus was a pedo groomer, mohammed was inspired by them. i think you're taking a sunk cost fallacy by believing your suffering has a purpose.

>>41473461
tbhon i just want to run away from this world with a rapey, flirty transbian and have 2.5 children with a white picket fence.

>happing
*Happening (augh)

>>41478551
>i don't believe in that. i want the judgement to come. and i don't expect anyone to exist after it.
That's understandable. Humanity has also proven to be ruthless throughout time, and legit, over 90% of that history is violence, oppression and suffering. If it comes to that, and we all die, so be it. Life doesn't care what side you're on and will continue without us and I've come to accept that. I just don't want to let it happen laying down because until then, there's always a chance.

>>41478924
but the thing is we're running out of time and taking nature down with us. we have to ensure it survives us.

>>41478880
>moses was a mass killer, jesus was a pedo groomer, mohammed was inspired by them
The bible and other religious scriptures are proof of their time, they will always be outdated when compared to moral standards, but like with anything in history, we learn from it to hopefully better ourselves. Obviously I don't agree that you should stone people to death, but that doesn't mean that I discard everything. Values like "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" are important in being kind to both yourself, and the people around you, even if they're complete strangers that are assholes that don't reciprocate. The world owes us nothing to be nice, and those that believe that the world does often are double faced, and see things as an exchange, rather than a gift (also usually their morals and values change like chameleon skin).

>i think you're taking a sunk cost fallacy by believing your suffering has a purpose.
You're right about that. At the end of the day, like I said before, we, as individuals, are the ones that ultimately assign our values and worth in life. If my suffering was truly meaningless and the world ends, then it is what it is and that's how life is.

>>41479010
that's my main problem with it. false morals. they make rules so they can maintain their slaves. talk about loving your neighbor and then about dividing families. they tell you that you sinned but that a sacrifice was made for you. i fucking hate jews

>>41478934
This planet can exist without us and with enough time, it will heal. I know with us around, climate change is accelerating, we're cutting down the amazon rainforest and polluting the oceans with microplastics. But that's something beyond both your and my scopes of power as individuals. As individuals, your violence and my peace mean nothing, but with a loud majority group, change can happen, and I hope it's for the better.

>>41479054
that's why i'm considering being the spark that terror needs.

>>41479036
>false morals. they make rules so they can maintain their slaves. talk about loving your neighbor and then about dividing families.
I'm not going to disagree with you about a lot of "religious" individuals having false morals. I hate MAGA because they commodify religion, turn it into a business and also use it to justify their cruel values under a veil of outdated scriptures. They twist words into something hateful to bring down people that threaten their world view and status quo.

But I don't agree that just because something can be bad, means that everything bad about is is evil and false.

I've had Catholic friends and family that absolutely despise every fibre of my being and tell me to "find God", but I've also had Catholic friends that tolerate me and genuinely accept me for who I am (not fake acceptance, because they actually defend me instead of abandoning me when it would be easier).

At the end of the day, religion, race and gender doesn't define who is evil, the CEOs, politicians and shareholders will throw anyone under the bus, change their skin to fit as many ideologies as they have to, anything to stay on top and in power because they have no bounds, no morals, no empathy. They're the true enemy and they will use anything to divide us regardless of ideology, ethnicity or gender.

>>41479077
I urge you not to do it. If not for yourself, then for others. The politicians in your country will use it to fearmonger about trans people even more and any ground given to us will easily be taken away

>>41479169
>>41479201
i'm not trans. nothing holds me back

It's good that you trans people die because we really don't give a damn what happens to you, you are not human, you are parasites without intelligence and any use in this society hahahahaha fucking stupid hahahaha

>>41479216
Even if you're not trans, I'd advise against it. I mentioned that I like in the UK, but from what I've seen on the news, Trump's order to send National Guard to Chicago was stood down because there wasn't enough civil unrest to warrant martial law there.

The politicians will stop at nothing to fearmonger. They will use your digital footprint to spew that 'group x' is bad for some reason, and people will believe it. This is what they want.

In the end, I'm just an internet stranger, and I truly can't stop you if you're completely set on doing it. It's your decision and if you go through with it, people will have to live with the ramifications of it.

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>>41479270
Look at this bean

>>41479271
I hope he does it, nobody will care, don't worry, my friend.

>>41479271
i don't have a bomb, but if i did, i wouldn't think twice.
>>41479317
you wish.

>>41479314
Thanks friend, now I know I'm a bean.

>>41479324
A

>>41473800
this is not why they dislike trannies, its a strawman to dismiss their concerns about the place of transgenderism in society

>>41475994
Institutional help will never come. They don't care about us. The easiest way to help would probably be letting a tranny live with you if you have the space until she is able to find a job in your country and able to move out. But letting a stranger live with you is obviously a bit scary. It would be nice if rich trannies bought a house to have poor trannies live there until they are able to find a job and then can give money back to support other poor trannies.

>>41473461
I trooned in my 20s and now im heading into my forties and.... yeah I kinda see some point to this. A lot of trans women do just kinda... end up shrinking away. I know lots of trans women who once had big dreams who are now unemployed or underemployed and living tiny lives reliant on the charity of one or two people around them. I see this happens with passoids and hons, men and women. its like this sense of "giving up" after dealing with year after year of treated like a freak, or even just not being treated as "important", cis people are so reliant on their friends and family connections that many of them dont even realise how much they benefit from them.

so yeah, a lot of troons end up living lives of quiet desperation, the outliers tend to be the ones who are truly gifted in some regard, or who have a functioning partner, which manages to keep them integrated with the world.


>>41475884
>>41477171

I also agree with this. So many trans women seem to be fixated on being werid these days, and hanging out with them tends to end up pulling you in, its like they are in quicksand and if you try and pull them out you end up getting pulled in too.

>>41481112
I don't think being truly gifted (or having a functioning partner) is the only determining factor there though, I think a big part is also just luck. I have known trannies who I'd describe as truly gifted, but if you're unlucky you're gifted in the wrong type of thing that doesn't help you find a job (for example artists can be extremely gifted and it just won't matter, as opposed to tech trannies who are (or at least were) high in demand on the job market). You can also have other things happen to you that just break you, like being raped or assaulted or stalked. It's difficult to recover from those things, even more so if you can't afford therapy. No amount of giftedness is going to let you pull yourself out of a hole that is so deep you barely can see the top. And at that point finding a functioning partner is impossible too, even if someone wanted to be with them, it's going to be difficult, and it's going to be difficult to relate to each other because your life experiences are so different. There are tons of very gifted people who just die all alone on the street.

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>>41473461
No longer can we accept such an existence where our own suffer we care about each other if nothing else most of us do and I hope we all know that

we live in a time unlike those who came before us who may have never known what to call their suffering or known others existed but we are here and talking to eachother now

we should NOT just accept a world where we are thrown out we owe it to ourselves and others to fight for a new and better world in spite of the oppression of the current one to die fighting for a better future alongside those who DO care is better than suffering alone

>>41481284
I agree but idk where to even start

>>41481284
go ahead, organize protests in your allowed streets, everyone cares.

>>41477919
These people are a large part of shaping societal consensus that kills us. Dw, I'm merely expressing an opinion on them too, there
>>41477891
I'm not arguing with them and neither should you. They're not people and what they did is not forgivable

>>41481367
you aren't being killed, get real

>>41481284
>>41481343 is right. Most people that go on these protests and read literature or whatever in their little anarchist clubs don't actually do anything to help.
>>41475844 has the right idea. We should do what Jews did and try to support each other with more than just empty words. Unfortunately we don't have the benefit of having a common faith that helps us form better cohesion, but I still think it's doable. If you work in HR, always hire a tranny over a cissoid, if you have enough money to be a landlord, let trannies live there for cheap, if you have a lot of money buy a tranny some HRT or help her out in some other way. If you have a good job through nepotism then do a little nepotism of your own to help another tranny get a job too. Help a tranny move out of their fascist infested shithole. Help a tranny afford food and basic medical care. If you are rich enough to throw away anything that has crossed the best before date, then you're rich enough to buy a pack of rice for a tranny who is starving and give them your "expired" cans of food.

>>41473461
Is that so? Nobody has said anything to me yet, people have treated me normally so far.

>>41481534
I still lift though and carry a weapon on me just in case, not to mention I'm taller than most where I live, but I'm mostly just nice to people, and I'm also joining organizations and communities so I don't end up isolated eventually.

>>41481534
I'd say most people don't really give a shit about us, for good or for bad, people just go about their own lives and don't have time to think about us, if you're vulnerable economically this is very bad because it means you probably won't get help from anyone, but even cis people who are broke suffer from this, broke people in general are mostly invisible to society, you have to make yourself visible, you have to build your safety net, joining clubs, political parties, NGOs or some church tends to work well.

>>41481343
>>41481313
>>41481442
Protests do nothing and dont listen to this doomer tranny either

you start by organizing with people who know the system doesnt work do not want to engage with it and are interested in building a new one
you start as a group with a interest and tendency you find more people and you grow into comittees community defense organizations and direct dual power with the capacity for revolutionary activity and you dont need to do it big just local and link up with other people in other cities interested in the same things or similar organizations

also arm yourselves
and get a 3d printer before they are illegal

>>41481761
This might work if you're the black panther party or the IRA, but trannies simply don't have the numbers to do any of that without it just leading to being put into camps even faster. This feels like it was written by a 20 something who just got into "leftism".

>>41481827
we have allies we should organize on class issues not identity ones
Im not suggesting a tranny militia thats retarded
the fact is we do have allies among about you know every single anarchist and most communists and even among every day people we have enough to organize

>>41473461
I'm sure the type of person to express this and identify with the sentiment are extremely sympathetic to the suffering of others and don't engage in the same sort of beating-down, tribalism, maltreatment and marginalization when it is convenient.
I'm trying not to be bitter but you know and I know you probably don't do right by other people and engage in typical behavior. Insular bullshit is not new, and every time it is successful the spitting and kicking is transferred to someone else because no one can help themselves. For that reason I can't help but pray you get nothing you want out of that sort of thing and everything you don't. Anyone who wants to cosplay as a blameless angel with their wings bound and bruised by the world can shove it up their ass, you're responsible for this situation too.

>>41481979
>every single anarchist
>most communists
Good job outing yourself as an anarchist. The communists probably say the same the other way around.
Why the fuck should we trust cissoids? Both anarchists and communist groups will happily dogpile a tranny, I've seen it happen countless times. For example: Tranny doesn't support Islam (i.e. trannies getting murdered)? She's islamophobic and basically a neonazi so we should ostracize her, stalk her, get her fired from her job if possible, dig up as much shit as possible about her to really destroy her. She's probably a Zionist too! Or if you're the Zionist variety of anarchist/communist, then she's probably a terrorist supporter if not even a terrorist herself! This shit happens all the fucking time. And even if from your perspective anarchists are the nicer ones, they will still side with the other commie groups rather than with trannies. Maybe you're lucky and the anarchists in your state aren't fucking retarded, but not everyone is that lucky

I'm a guy and I gave all the love and support to my t girlfriend.. but she doesn't love me
i've tried my best

>>41482109
only retard socdems cry about islamophobia so hard just say you are anti christanity and judaism as well and any most of the left will leave you alone
ive not seen anyone engaged in real politics act like this only xwitter
Go start your own group or get involved in union or tenant organizing and join black rose anarchist federation

>>41482078
It's okay to be bitter, other trans people for sure can be horrible and cruel to other trans people too. But I don't think that's a good reason to wish others harm or not try to build something that will help most of us. If a few people being horrible is enough to give up, then it doesn't matter if it's insular or a general thing. This is just doomerism then, because people will always exist who want to treat others horrible.

>>41482175
>only retard socdems cry about islamophobia so hard just say you are anti christanity and judaism as well and any most of the left will leave you alone
>ive not seen anyone engaged in real politics act like this only xwitter
If you want a real life example just look at any anarchist or communist organization in Europe. Germans In particular will tear you apart if you say you oppose Judaism or Islam. And supporting religions is in conflict with supporting trannies. Most groups in France and the UK would immediately side with Muslims over trannies if they had to pick one.

>>41482239
who? when? Where? Anarchist federation in france is ok with it I have extremely anti abrahamic kurdish friends involved in it

>>41482176
For the record, I'm not transgender, that was sort of where I was coming from.
I'm humbly requesting those who genuinely want a kinder world and not just us/we-ism to at least briefly look inwards. I feel like the kind of people in this thread hate me as much as others hate them.

>>41482314
Every time I tried to organize with other people and help other people they ended up being hostile towards me because I'm a tranny. None of them did anything for trannies in general either. Not even a shitty post on their Instagram or whatever in support of trannies. Nothing. That doesn't mean people who aren't trannies should be harmed, but why should I invest in a group or individuals when they likely hate me for who I am. My best bet is to help other trannies, at least that way there's a higher chance someone will help me too or at least not hate me while I try to help them. I've tried helping cis people who are minorities several times but it was always detrimental to me.
If I meet a cis person who I can genuinely trust then I'll help them too of course, but I'm no longer willing to join any cause that excludes people like me in their vision for the future.

>>41482457
You're sort of dancing around my point, it feels like, I'm barely discussing organizing at all.
Being prejudiced against deeply suffering people who aren't transgender is fine, it's just what everyone else does for their equivalent groups too.

>>41482591
Yeah I don't really get what your point is

>>41481398
Heyo, sorry that I dipped earlier without saying anything, life stuff happened. Hope you're feeling a bit better <3

>>41473800
>fascists
Stopped reading. I'm mtf and I consider national socialism the best form of governmental model there has ever been. You like to think of people "othering" you as fascists in general, but I've been personally misgendered repeatedly by a guy I know who literally wears antifa emblems.

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>>41482788
I'm sorry that you had to experience that anon. Being a bad person transcends ideology, race and gender and no one deserves to be misgendered regardless, and the guy sounds like an asshole.

>>41473461
Why don't you guys learn and try to love your bodies? :(

Sometimes I have wish that I was someone different, but destroying my body would never change how I feel about myself.

>>41483760
I did that for a while, and it just doesn't really happen. Trooning out is a lot of fun if the people around you are nice desu.

>>41483760
Fuck off from my board :) retarded cissoid

>>41481398
Fuck you lol I was, you sheltered firstworder asshole. Wishing you the worst

Im gonna suicided :/

>>41483765
But most don't and If they don't address their mental issues, then even if they do the transition part they will still feel bad about themselves, and end up taking their own lives like a lot of you guys sadly do.

>>41483797
I'm just passing by, I know there is no place or group for me in this world, I am self conscious of who I am. Sorry for bothering you babygirl :(

>>41483868
I think transition can be pretty great but you have to be in a sort of ok mental state to begin with or it will just terrorize you, that's my experience with it.

>>41483900
Also you do learn pretty quick why christians believe most people go to hell, I live in a nice place and it seems like people irl are nicer but going from a closeted seemingly normal white dude to someone who actually has to fear authority is an experience

>>41483900
at what age did you start?

No one cares about trannies, including other trannies. It's sad.

>>41483927
Like 19 but I have good genes/low standards

>>41473461
You should listen to fukouna girl, you would like it

>>41473685
I want to die so fucking much, but nobody in my life gives a fuck, when I told my dad that I want to die, he laught at me

How can I save them?

>>41484645
Thank you, I really liked it! Do you have more music recommendations?
>>41484653
I'm sorry, your dad sounds like an asshole. And yeah that's exactly why I wish trannies in general would care about each other more. When I still had to live with my parents it would have been great if I could have just moved in together with a tranny friend somewhere instead of being stuck with the abuse for so long.

>>41484718
I was the same person who wrote both btw
I was just not sure if I wanted to vent or no
>do you have any other recommendation?
I do but I recommended this one mainly because of the lyrics, it's basically what OP was talking about
I'm too depressed to open youtube and find similar songs though, sorry
I can't do anything productive
>something something family
I still live with my family and it's a living hell, I also go to a religious highschool (I failed a year) and it's horrible, I hate every moment of it
I honestly want to end my life, but I don't want others to use my suicide as a weapon against other trannies

>>41484738
>sorry
Don't worry it's fine, I just really liked it so I asked
>I failed a year
Same happened to me, it sucks having to be with your family for a year longer but at least most employers don't care that much if you take one year longer to finish school.
>I don't want others to use my suicide as a weapon against other trannies.
Same. I also hate how whenever someone dies like that everyone says shit like "this poor, mentally ill person, if only someone could have gotten them locked up in an asylum!" Sure some people kill themselves because of "mental illness", someone might genuinely be hallucinating and kill themselves because of that, but in most cases something bad was done to the people who turn out to be suicidal. And I feel like people never want to talk about that when someone dies, because it's easier to just say "this person decided completely on their own to take their life" rather than "did I contribute to this outcome somehow?" Whenever someone dies, no one seems to be responsible for it, it's such a mystery

>>41484785
>most employers don't care
I want to learn more, I want to go to a university abroad, but I don't have good grades, so I find it imoossible to ever happen
>mentall illness
I was diagnosed with a lot of of them, but I don't think that they are my biggest problem, it always me being trans and not accepted by others or the way my body looks are the things that gets me in a spiral, so I feel like threating them while they are ignoring the fact that my biggest problem is me being trans feels like they know that I'm suffering they just don't care, they don't want to take responsibility for my transition

>>41484821
Is there some alternative way for you to get into a university like an entrance exam or something? I went to university but was discriminated against and now I wish I would have just started working immediately to afford FFS as fast as possible.
>I was diagnosed with a lot of of them
Almost every tranny has mental illnesses because we get abused so much. And almost every time all these mental illnesses would be a lot easier to deal with if we at least got treated as normal human beings by others rather than as freaks.
If you're not already on it, get on DIY, you can't trust cissoids to treat you correctly.

>>41481169
>for example artists can be extremely gifted and it just won't matter
>You can also have other things happen to you that just break you, like being raped or assaulted or stalked
>can't afford therapy
>There are tons of very gifted people who just die all alone on the street.
literally me, pretty much the only thing keeping me alive is that i haven't released my magnum opus yet

>>41473461
thats suicide. And they kill themselves cus they're mentally ill. Trannies need help.

>>41481442
I'm so disconnected from the trans "community" that I wouldn't even know where to find freeloaders like this, and when I wasn't on my own the only ones I found were nutjobs who agree that my mother should have aborted me and wanted me out of there. I guess I could afford HRT for someone but I just know from way too much personal experience that it'll just be thrown back in my face as some kind of blackmail.

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>>41481169
>finding a functioning partner is impossible too, even if someone wanted to be with them, it's going to be difficult
I'm so tired of giving my all and being stretched thin just for it to never be good enough

>>41485033
Same. I just wish I wasn't living with constant extreme levels of stress so I would have an easier time actually doing art. I always feel guilty when doing anything artistic because I feel like I should be doing something "productive" instead. So most of the time I just end up doomscrolling. I'm sure this feeling has something to do with my parents always telling me that art has basically no value and I'll end up a starving artist on the street if I keep pursuing a career in art. Guess what mom and dad! I'm going to land on the street anyway haha! I could have made art this entire fucking time and it wouldn't have mattered!! It was always my fate as a tranny! And you deprived me of the only thing I was really good at and passionate about, all for nothing!

>>41485211
too fucking real for this fake ass world
we should kiss before we die

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>>41473461
But you still killed yourself

>>41484903
Sorry for not relying, I can't do DIY and there is no other way to get into the uni

>>41473461
Maybe if you didn't start crossdressing full time and pretending to be women you'd have more friends and you wouldn't be disliked. Have you thought about that?

>>41485412
All my life. And every time I come to the conclusion that death would be preferable.
>>41485281
Not yet. I still hope that I can be of some use for another tranny who will genuinely appreciate it. Failing that, I'll still hold out as long as possible and be a burden to this fascist society as much as possible. Realistically I will get killed, starve, or freeze to death within the next year or two, so there's no point in putting in the effort to do it myself anyway.
>>41485333
Why can't you do diy? I know it's difficult when you're still living with parents but what is holding you back specifically?
Also thank you again for the song I've been listening to it on repeat for the past couple of hours.
>>41485266
Nothing I want more than someone who really understands me

Any of you like wasian cis guys? :(

>>41486103
Everyone likes those, stop fishing for (you)s.

>>41477448
50,000 ppl used to live here; now its a ghost town

>>41486725
life as a tranny is just a 24/7 ending to that mission on veteran

>>41473461
Sounds like suicide with extra steps to me

I wish I wasn't so alone

>>41487343
don't we all?

>>41487343
do you want an mtf to come over there

Isnt this the same reason why everyone kills themselves? Once you lose attachment to the people in your life, you lose attachment to life.

How can I save them?

>>41485904
>Why can't you do it?
Money.

>>41473461
committing suicide due to no one caring is still suicide

>>41489093
I guess you can't