I (mtf) am thinking of becoming jewish. How viable is it? I guess becoming orthodox is out of the question as a tranny.Does anyone else have any experience with this?
>>41477226oy vey...
no phil, this is NOT how you incite them
>>41477226you are already jewish for being a tranny :)
>>41477226i look like that except a little chubbier.
>>41477226Jews don't accept outsiders. It's a racist, xenophobic cult. Sorry :/
>>41477237I am serious, although I know asking on tttt is probably a stupid idea (due to /pol/ and sharty tourists).
>>41477226make a bunch of jewish friends. they're good to have around sometimes. the crazy thing i know is when shit hits the fan i know my jewish friends are gonna be there.jews are like lions. and sometimes its good to have a lion.
>>41477226they give you a little hat to wear on the tip of your penis, then it's kosher
>>41477244I read "chuddier">>41477262I would but it's kinda hard as a non-american.
>>41477226its not possible, religion is incompatible with being trans, ive tried catholicism and judaism and it never worked out. also goys will never be accepted because any time you act jewish (aka assimilate into the culture) or notice other jews since you were born a gentile they will hate you the same reason they hate antisemites and people who "culturally appropriate" stuff. catholics arent as bad but they want you to detroon every time and there's the bad press what with the pedo shit.
>>41477249wrong, they consider them holier even
>>41477304Can you say more about your experiences? Did you become orthodox? I am actually kinda worried about being viewed as an outsider forever and no matter what.
>>41477315this. i love my jewish friends, theyre my babies.
>>41477315Nice attempt at lying about the most well known thing about Jews. They see non-jews as animals. Jews should be round up in labor camps for my benefit.
>>41477337sorry i dont wanna say too much because some people i knew in those circles post here sometimesi will tell you that i never got accepted and this was after years. judaism really appealed to me too and i only tried catholicism because my folks were catholic. i cant speak for everyones experience i hope someone that can be more open could chime in i dont want to flat out doompill you sis but i cant throw you any positive reinforcement
Jewish is an ethnicity, not a religion, you can become culturally Jewish (these people are called Noahides) but if you don’t have a Jewish mother you’re not part of the tribe. You can technically immigrate to Israel and join the IDF but they’re falling apart politically and aren’t going to last the decade.
>>41477402>>41477393Can you PLEASE not shit up my thread, thanksAlthough the pic name is funny>>41477418Would you be willing to talk in private? If not I understand and will respect it. At the very least, were other Jewish trans people accepting of converts?
>>41477469Don't you join the tribe by converting?
>>41477498It’s an ethnoreligion just like Druze, most aren’t going to accept converts, also pork is delicious and you’re denying yourself
>>41477516Pork is overrated. I already stopped consuming it as a personal challenge to test my willpower.>most aren’t going to accept convertsNot that I am doubting you but how do you know? Are you Jewish?
>>41477472got to a city or a happening town and get to know everyone in the area and you'll meet some jews that way. you'll meet alot of people doing that.
>>41477570Unlikely in europe
>>41477226I had a trans friend a couple years ago who was in the process of converting Judaism, so it's a thing that can be done, though I am rather shaky on the details (and it only worked in the first place since we lived in a super liberal American city with a super high trans population). I have not kept in contact with him to see if this panned out well or not, but I imagine this would not work for you if you are not in a liberal shithole city as basically all organized religions are against being trans. Because of this, being orthodox isn't really viable and you'd have to find one of the new age groups that pop up to try and cater to queers like my friend did.
>>41477857Long term I would like to move to new york once trump is gone, regardless of all this.
>>41477226i converted to judaism and still follow a lot of the traditions, like lighting candles for the sabbath or shabbos, observing it as reasonably as i can, among various other blessings, or mitzvah. I trained under a few rabbi. I'm still into Kabbalah too. I found my way to gnosticism eventually which kind of frees you from religion and allows you to connect to god and the universe more directly. I recommend that the most. But Judaism is a powerful spiritual practice with lots of great people to engage with. Some of my best memories are of going to synagogue.
>>41479550Which branch of Judaism did you convert under? Did you do it in the US? Were the rabbis trans friendly? Were you accepted by the community despite being trans? Were you accepted by secular Jews as a fellow Jew(culturally)? Do you still go to the synagogue?Sorry for the amount of questions, but I really don't know anyone I could ask this sort of stuff to.I used to have a friend into Gnosticism a few years ago, but he was more of a "god-hater" of sorts.
>>41477226Unless you were born ethnically Jewish, there is zero point
>>41479633Why?
>>41479625conservative judaism. not for any real reason though, theyre mostly the same, they both follow the same torah. but i will say the story of moses is bs, and thats uber pivotal to them. i was in the bay area california. i met a lot of famous rabbi. it was actually really cool. i think they would have been trans friendly. they were totally cool with lgbt, although same sex sex is a sin in their eyes still. only people that really care are orthodox hasidics.the community was super friendly. the rabbi are supposed to tell you "no" 2 times before they let you convert, but i had some jewish family so they let me kind of in easier.but nicest people i ever met to be honest.. once youre in, youre in. and youre held very high, close to equal. they were all 100% culturally jewish, but only my rabbi was like orthodox hassidic looking. Avram Davis. I moved away but have been looking for another synagogue locally for a while but never actually go. gnostics are kind of god haters.. not far from the truth, but its more worshiping the infinite god and not the fractured pieces that claim to be infinite. sorry for the long explanations
>>41479739>sorry for the long explanationsI really appreciate it actually! Thank you.I expect that I am going to have more questions about it in the future, so just like the other anon I will ask if you would be willing to exchange contacts. But even if not, I am still thankful for what you have provided so far.
>>41477233>>41477243>>41477249>>41477469Palitrannies are actual trannies, no surprising >>41477226If a Jewish community liberal enough to accept a trans convert exist(and they unfortunately do) you’ll find them in big American cities where all the degeneracy and corruption is
>>41480468Why are you in the tranny board if you hate trannies...
>>41477226jewish tranny here, trust me you dont want any part of this. it sucks all the way down. you can read and study tanakh and whatever but unless you have jewish family you are not in this fucked up tribe. go the christian route that dude had the right idea. >>41479550oh wow cool to see, im also partial to gnosticism.
>>41480639>you dont want any part of this. it sucks all the way downWhy?>you are not in this fucked up tribeIn the sense of being accepted as jewish by others or what?>go the christian route that dude had the right idea.I am not really interested in becoming a christian.
>>41480639>jewish tranny here, trust me you dont want any part of this. it sucks all the way down.Pro tip: If you actually hated that cult, you wouldn't keep claiming to be a part of it.
>>41477226Its an ethnoreligion, dumbass. You can never fully “become” Jewish You’re applying modern Christian ideas about belief and faith and just sort of automatically assume every religion works the same as Christianity. Have you ever seen any Jewish missionaries?
>>41480712They don't proselytize but converting is possible. Idk why you are being mean.
>>41480669its in my blood idiot, my ancestors died for it. its not going anywhere. if i hated it that much i would throw my shabbos candles in the trash and light my torah on fire but i dont, because that does nothing. changes nothing. >>41480663>why?its a real heavy burden. its centuries and centuries of trauma and expulsion and extermination and discrimination. i cant imagine why anyone would want to willingly sign themselves up for it. part of the reason my family fled the home country was because of antisemitism. its still beautiful in many ways dont get me wrong, but its really not fun and games. its rules and laws. if you really want to try and take it up even with all that said then i cant stop you. >In the sense of being accepted as jewish by others or what?eh, kinda. i meant more in the historical sense. im sure there are converts with archaic jewish knowledge that blows mine out of the water. its the difference of growing up in it and surrounded by it vs adopting it later on.
>>41480731IT’S AN ETHNORELIGION DUMBASS. You don’t even know what you’re talking about, you can’t fucking wrap your brain around the idea (which is very simple) that in their religion, even if you’re a gentile who follows the Torah, you will never be a real Jew. They don’t accept converts like other religions if you don’t have any blood in Judiasm. Its like you trying to convert to be polish or to be a Gypsy. It shows you clearly don’t know anything or take the ethnoreligion remotely seriously, or you would know that you just can’t do that.
>>41480776Everyone hates me anyway because I am a tranny, what's a few more people. And I am already seen as a foreigner where I am. But I get your point, for most people it would probably suck.>its the difference of growing up in it and surrounded by it vs adopting it later on.This is pretty sad but it's not like I can turn back the clock.>>41480783I know that you are wrong but you still managed to make me cry so congrats ig.
>>41480891I’m not wrong, I’m trying to tell you this before you get more invested in this and find out the inevitable truth and it breaks your heart. You’re a gentile to them, even if you convert. Your blood is not Jewish, you can’t change your race, you can’t become Jewish. Read the Talmud and see what’s written about the gentiles. I don’t think you understand how Judaism, like, works. Judaism is a people, it’s the twelve tribes of Israel.
>>41480776>its in my blood idiot, my ancestors died for it. its not going anywhere. if i hated it that much i would throw my shabbos candles in the trash and light my torah on fire but i dont, because that does nothing. changes nothingNo lol. "Jew" isnt an ethnicity or a race lmfao. Youre thinking of Ashkanazi, Sephardic, etc. And the religion is Judaism, not "Jewish".
>>41480891>And I am already seen as a foreigner where I am.oh you might just go far sister, it seems you already got the right mentality. if you wanna do it official you're gonna have to go through the rabbi's. finding a reform congregation is gonna be your best bet due to the queerness tho. its unfortunately not gonna be recognized by the more stringent sects but if you are really serious then that shouldnt matter to you. me personally i kinda scorn the rabbi's entirely and do my own thing. got its ups and downs.
>>41480923Isn't the point of conversion that you are not a gentile anymore?>>41480955Thank you for the advice. This is understandable. I don't think I would expect much support from these sects even if I was born in a jewish family due to being trans anyway, so it probably doesn't matter that much. As long as my community accepts and supports me it would be fine.>got its ups and downsLike what?Also, I would like to ask how your experiences as a trans person have been in the Jewish community. Are you reform yourself?
>>41481108Gentile is blood dumbass. You’d still be a gentile, you’d just be one who’s cooperating with the TorahYou honestly seem too mentally unstable to be in the right mind to convert to a religion right now. You seem to like abstractly think that judaism is cool without really understanding it. It like exists in fantasyland for you.
>>41481108well probably have a more productive conversation directly. if you have disc add me: bsnh5786
>>41480923You don't know anything about Judaism outside of fake /pol/ infographicsRepent for lying out of hatred
>>41481208They're literally just saying whats already known. Its not some fucking secret, Jewish people talk about this too. Fuck you for lying and manipulating people, subhuman
>>41481208Repent to who? Jews don’t have confession retard.>>41481233Literally this. My best friend is Jewish, I just know how Judaism works, and I would argue that I actually am respecting their culture A LOT MORE than some rich white girl from the suburbs coopting and appropriating THEIR ethnoreligion in order to feel cool or quirky or unique. Other people’s cultures are not your imperial playthings and not all cultures are joinable. Not all religions automatically accept new members. I know this may be hard for you to grasp because you don’t understand that there’s a part of the world and cultures different from the USA but judaism isn’t your goth phase.
>>41481292Monotheism is objectively false and retarded (problem of evil, Omnipotence paradox, the need to resort to special pleading when presented with alternative religious experiences)also you fucking retard you understand its ok for you to be queer as a Noahide but NOT as a jew why would you want to fucking convert just be a noahide if you think that evil little Preta you call Yhwh is God I mean MAYBE you could get into Reconstructionist Judaism but come the fuck on
