How do we ban htr (cross-sex) from society? We could make it illegal, but dumbass trannies would try the black market.
>>41485530Hrt I meant
>>41485530we dont.
genetically engineer all men with gender dysphoria to become insensitive to estrogen so they can't feminize no matter what
hormone therapy replacement i agree, we should ban replacements for hormone therapy and give trannies the ‘mones they need
You ever wonder when was the last time you fed your neopet? Do you think its still around? Surely they delete them after a while? I cant imagine the server cost. But ...you cant really know. But maybe they revive your account it you log in? Maybe that would prolong its suffering. I mean wouldnt it be more cruel to visit it once after all this time and then never again? But then again if it was deleted you can rest easy without the guilt. Do you even remember your old password? I cant even remember its face anymore. But that doesnt stop me from imagining its sad lonely starving eyes in the dark. Hoping one day i will come back and take it out again. I bet its still there like a time capsule. Waiting. The site hasn't changed much. Maybe it could be fun. Or maybe it is a dying platform and playing it will only make you feel old now
>>41485530I'm surprised that the FBI isn't already cracking down on DIY estrogen suppliers in the US and arresting them. That seems like something they'd do now if it were on their radar.
>>41485530It's a good thing retards like you have no power huh
you people are insane
>>41485575the fetty, heroin and coke will keep them plenty busy. they probably do have a team that watches the hrt networks and already have it all mapped.
>>41485530basically impossible unless you want cis women raging that they can't get their menopause treatments
>>41485537>>41485546>>41485589>>41485591It's hardly a medical treatment since it's purely an anesthetic thing.
>>41485649fair trade honestly
>>41485653its hard either way to remove it. You basically have to hope that china bans all production of estrogenic compounds. Some AAs (GnRH analogues) are even used for cancer, prostate cancer especially depends extremely on anti androgens, bicalutamide for example is originally a cancer medicine that blocks T activity from growing prostate cancerSo add old men dying from prostate cancer to the list, which is basically half of society
>>41485652so? are we banning people dying their hair or buying the clothes they want to wear? Are we banning people eating what they want or working out?
>>41485652saar, women on menopause use it too
i love how you retards can’t even spell words correctly even with autocorrect and yet you still have such ambitions
>>41485649>>41485712That's why I mentioned cross-sex hormones, not hrt in general.
>>41485652>anesthetic thing.
>>41485530idk wise guy, you're the one with all the ideas here
>>41485758It's the fucking auto typing.
>>41485688or just drone strike the facilities producing estrogen
>>41485758>she's never nodded out on some good e beforeamateur
>>41485744the problem is that these things mean the same thing or have an overlap that is too big to ban. As i said, GnRH analogues shut down the HPG axis, (the same way high dose exogenous E2, or T would) to starve either breast cancer or prostate cancer from growing. Nonsteroidal antiandrogens (bica, enzalutamide) which are basically the gold standard beside chemo right now to suppress prostate cancer have the side effect of effectively raising T in your blood because the androgens can't bind as the receptors are full. And T, in comparison to E2, can infact convert to the latter, but not the other way around. So in a healthy male, you could feasible induce feminization through aromatization of T to E2. Obviously it would be very low amounts but its still possible.Even moreso, estrogens and estrogenic compounds are incredibly easy to make, I'm talking a lab with at most 5-10k upfront costs can make kilos easily per month. and you only need 40g of estradiol to make 100y worth of injectable estrogen. It's just not possible
>>41485797all of that only considers the estradiol supply, by the measure of this mechanism >aromatization of T to E2you also have to ban any testosterone, which, once again, you wouldn't want to ban because patients actually really need it, like low T guys
If DIY hrt was banned, theres no fucking way in hell im going to clinic to tell them im a degenerate freak and need to buy their drugs
>>41485797Plus compounding, and in a way that can guarantee compound sterility for injection? You a process engineer or what?
>>41485530Abolish social construct around biological female or male and the trans thing will die. There is nothing wrong about being a being a biological male liking cooking and stay at home.
>>41485530if i had no way to access hrt i would probably end up murder suiciding any politician i can blame for it
>>41485706eventually... yeah. that's the idea
>>41485546>Aknowledges gender dysphoria exists>But I want them to suffer regardless?I mean bravo for being open about being a terrible person but usually people at least deny GD exists when they make these arguments.
>>41485652please learn englishor better yet, take your bigotry back to where you came from
>>41487032Its prob gincel coping yet again
>>41486928I guess there are some fake trannies that feel like they need to larp as women to do those things. Trutrans feels like they are running their consciousness on the wrong hardware, and social expectations are secondary to fixing that.
>>41485530Estrogen isn't even strictly necessary, just the cessation of testosterone. Even in your most tyrannical fantasies, someone could take a kitchen knife and remove the two little test factories between their legs. Then they wouldn't masculinize further, wouldn't suffer balding, their body fat would redistribute to a female pattern, yadda yadda. Sorry gincel, your deranged desire to rid the world of castrated males is literally impossible. God made males easy to neuter.
>>41485575A huge amount of the FBI has been redirected towards wasting their time doing deportations in the US as of right now
>>41487063>Estrogen isn't even strictly necessary, just the cessation of testosterone.Fuck off. I dont feel right unless im on a sufficient dose of estrogen and progesterone. They are 100% required.
>>41487087Isn't this exactly why the us has ICE and DHS? What the fuck is the FBI doing with deportations? And why isn't the local police used to root spics out?
>>41487097Our sisters in antiquity got by without it. Not that I blame you for making use of what's available, just countering OP's idea that he can somehow stop trannies from existing by outlawing medicines.
>>41486881Im in QC actually
>>41486928Do you really think people become trannies just because they would prefer to stay at home and cook and clean?
Here in Brazil we have cocaine in the prison system. People thinking we're going to ban estrogen which isn't even a controlled substance are delusional
>>41487128Quake Champions? Me too. Great game. Duel me sometime.
>>41487128>>41487167Quality control, retard. I thought Corporate called it Quality Assurance, but still, nice.In the US an open-source estrogen lab is needed since actives are getting harder to source from china.Especially if that same lab is easy to re-gear (to ie. peptides, or t)
>>41487106>Isn't this exactly why the us has ICE and DHS? well, yes>What the fuck is the FBI doing with deportations?I think the administration puts high priority on doing massive amounts of public raids and arrests for propaganda purposes and doesn't care about national security, white collar crime, or corruption, thus they need a huge force going out in the field. And why isn't the local police used to root spics out?I assume they are depending on the state/city
>>41487244Not Quake, don't care.
>>41485530>Ban all HRT precursors from foreign import>Seize domestic exogenous hormone synthesization facilities>Label estrogen and T as schedule 2 controlled substances>Shut down all gender clinics>All synthesized hormone vials are implanted with tracking chips>Prescription for HRT only given in extreme life or death circumstances>Drug only administered under medical supervision (no prescription) to select federal facilities supervised by political commissars>Start honeypot blackmarket DIY vendors to track down trannies and make examples >Start media panic by telling Fox News about DIY HRT>Legislate exogenous hormone adulteration of the body as a federal crime "desecration of the human body">Introduce federal health insurance>But required to attend mandatory physical appointments every year>Doctors legally obligated to note signs of feminization or masculinization>Hormone blood tests required for federal health insurance>Unusual levels spawn federal investigation and legally grant a warrant to search your premises>Federal prosecution and sentencing to federal prison for possession of Schedule II controlled substance, intent to commit pedophilic acts and desecration of the human body>Sentenced to 100 years in a labor campAnd that's how I would get rid of the tranny menace poisoning the blood of white society
>>41487122How many trans are trans because there is a gentle way through? Like in the old days I wouldn't have cut my nuts off, I would have been angry as hell about being male and taken it out on the world.
>>41487122In ye olden days there were monastic orders to contain sexual deviants (LGBT), incels (2nd/3rd sons), etc. So if we banned HRT, we must increase the armed forces, and rekindle monastic communities.>>41487496So that's why people are repping by enlisting desu.
>>41487496>Like in the old days I wouldn't have cut my nuts offWhy not? They had tools for it actually, in Rome. When you want something badly enough the fear of a moment's pain pales.
>>41487417see, this would make life miserable for all menopausal cis women. and anyone with a hormone-reponsive cancer“HRT precursors” aren’t a thing like you think they are. it’s an easy af thing to produce. one small lab in canada could produce enough for all the trannies in the americasdrs can and already do lie to insurance all the time, and faking blood tests is very very easyall this boils down to is “put trannies in dea-i mean labour camps” which i mean, would probably not be good for us. but i feel like its pretty obvious the consequences and difficulties you’d encounter
>>41487553They're saying that plenty of people in the past were probably trans, and just repressed it instead. And a lot of them double down as super masculine men. Yes there were other options but very few people were going to go down that route. The reason transness it's so pervasive these days is because access to HRT is so easy
>>41487580Ah, that's very odd to me. The first thing I did was schedule an appointment with a urologist to have an orchi done. HRT seemed to me an afterthought.
>>41487590We get it, you're the *Truest Trans*
>>41487609For a population with as many cutters, you'd think they wouldn't be so scared of a knife.
>>41487609^this.>>41487590And because that's just a thing that you walk up to an urologist and say "may I have an orchi desu?" And he just says, "sure, hop on up, we'll get it done within the hour."Where do you live? India? China?CAPTCHA: 0kay0
>>41487569>see, this would make life miserable for all menopausal cis women. and anyone with a hormone-reponsive cancerDidn't he specify that hrt in his ideal world is fine in life or death situations? I assume cancer counts as one of those.
>>41487618Buddy, cutting off your balls in 1280 wouldn't fucking make you a woman
>>41487670That's where you're wrong.
>>41487658>"may I have an orchi desu?" And he just says, "sure, hop on up, we'll get it done within the hour."Yes? There was one such doctor in Philadelphia, deceased now.
>>41487703You wouldn't have any hormones lmfao. You would get osteoporosis and still look mostly the same
>>41487728Incorrect. Often stated, but incorrect.
>>41487736?????? Okay please correct the science, doctor.
>>41487665he also said “drug only administered under medical supervision in federal facilities supervised by political commissars” so good luck getting to one of those for each of your treatments in between chemo. and there are alternatives to hormone dependent treatmentsplus who’s on the hook if it turns out it’s not life or death? the doctors? then the doctors would be way more scared to prescribe these treatments plus every women would be breaking all her bones from osteoporosis after menopause in this world. many people would have worse acne. i totally forgot, but there no more birth control, which would be hugely significant, and a lot of associated treatments would probably be left behind toothe US would become the laughingstock of the world and also hated by every country for sending all trannies and also any cis woman who tries to take estrogen for her menopause into death camps for 100 yearsyou just can’t suppress trannies through medicine, only brute political force
>>41487750The adrenals produce sufficient hormones for life. You don't see spayed or neutered pets dropping dead, do you? As for changes, pretty much all the changes associated with mtf transition occur merely from castration, even without HRT. Why? Because males are mutants, and test is the mutagen. In its absence, the body reverts.
>>41487765You make fair points, I didn't think of all that. Especially didn't think of how vague the life or death thing is.To be honest, I am not sure if this kind of person cares for post-menopausal women or for women who want hormonal BC anyway :(
>>41485530They need to go balls to the wall on trans deprogramming if they want to purge society of this cancer. Everyone that's been in the education system since 2012 needs to be brought in for reprogramming.>Oops, turns out there was no gender unicorn, lol, sorry, teeheeI'm so angry about what they did to our generation.
>>41487830>To be honest, I am not sure if this kind of person cares for post-menopausal womenOP is a local character, a gay man who hates trannies and women, thinks he's oppressed by an anti-male matriarchy. He spends all day on the board making deranged posts.
>>41487569Political commissars in the health system will prevent any adulteration. No doctor would want to lose their license for lying in medical reports. For blood tests, those would actually be tested in federal facilities, again overseen by political commissars to prevent unlawful alteration of samples.We can also have strict morality police like Iran has, on the streets enforcing gender standards. Gender standards will be documented in a legal codex of acceptable appearance for male and female.Legislate gender conformity and deviation from that conformity can be a Class I misdemeanour. Referring to a biological male or female with incorrect pronouns will be a Class I misdemeanourReferring to someone by a name other than their legal first name can be a Class II misdemeanour. >Require all citizens to carry federal identification at all times>Permit federal police to conduct random stops and check for federal ID>Mandate legal sex checks which are translated into legal sex markers on the federal identification>In the cases of intersex, they will be exiled or placed into labor camps designated as a non-person with severe anti-social deformity and deemed a ward of the state>Legally require publically accessible gender segregated facilities like bathrooms to be equipped with card readers requiring federal identification>All public schools will be sex segregated and boys and girls will be socialized to use different speech patterns and inculcated into different social roles to exacerbate gender differences and encourage strong gender identification>Primary sex segregated institutions for males and females>Polytechnical/scholastic institutions for males>Domesticity trainings for females encouraging homemaking, submission, and reproductive centricityAnd I've just eliminated trannies from public life. You're welcome. Next.
>>41485530the same way you ban heroin from societyyou try and fail to do anything meaningful and get people killed
>>41487843Oh. The one that says that cis women want there to be more trans women or something along these lines?
>>41485530They could pass bills to make it harder to obtain hrt. There's too many troons now and most of them look and act disgusting so this needs to be stopped.
>>41485546good thing most trannies are ftm then
>>41487901hot, id be the fucktoy of mens school
>>41485530A lot of transgenderism is artificial. Solve that and there will be no reason to go after hrt anymore.
>>41487580Exactly what I was saying.And im not saying easy access to HRT is a bad thing at all, far from it. Instead of being angry all the time and putting that out into the world, im sweet instead. It's a nicer life for me and it's nicer for everybody that has to deal with me. The world is a nicer place with me estrogenized.
>>41487264>I think the administration puts high priority on doing massive amounts of public raidsyes the point isn't to be effective, it's about showing cold indifference to human life and "owning the libs".
>>41485530We could shoot you in the back of the head at point blank without due process instead
>>41488307>cold indifference to human life"A clump of cells".
>>41487590you seem less trans and more like a self hating male
>>41485530you can'tit is actually not possible to allow half of the population to access estrogen while denying it to the rest (and vice versa), you can't police it well enough, it will get divertedtestosterone is already a controlled substance and yet trans men still manage to DIY
>>41485530That would require to live a little with retarded trannies but this plan works and wouldn't need totalitarianism>Raise the minimal age for HRT little by little, first by 18, then 21, then 25>get some tumblirites tucutes>publish some studies about raising the minimal age for hrt using societial struggles as a reason>divide the LGBT make gay and lesbians feel pressured to date trannies>put tucutes to say anti DIY propaganda>get some transmeds too>also get them to say anti DIY propaganda>put social transition for 2 years as a requirement>Doctors can push DIY trannies to psych ward >tucutes and radfems unite to say that even HRT is bad>make commies also say that HRT is feeding the industry and capitalism so the majority of trannies wouldn't try>then you start to push for tracking>start to make fake allies to believe HRT is bad and cause trans people to feel bad>makes everyone thinks that all trannies are horrible hons and passoids aren't real>by this time the minimal age for hrt is 25>normies would think that trans is a ritual of public humiliation and that shouldn't be required>with normies agreeing with this you can finally enforce the ban without repercutions
>>41488436None of that gonna happen
>>41488462it's happening already lol
>>41488542Proof or shuddup
>>41488436>make commies also say that HRT is feeding industry and capitalismyou dont even have to make them do that theres already a bunch of retarded commies who think transitioning is bourgeois
>>41488167Male homosexuality would be encouraged to foster male bonding and appreciation for masculine aesthetics, ethics, and virtueHowever, female homosexuality would be strictly prohibited as it violates the feminine and encourages the formation of masculinity amongst women.
>>41488593LGB Alliance, the recently TERF bias since 2019, anti DIY trannies, specially trans men, commies being retarded as always, cass review, fake allies that say being trans is valid, retarded tucutes saying that you're valid by being a trans woman with beard, most news about trans women is always a hon that shows up, did you live on a cave?
>>41488747Still waiting on proof that's not just you rambling about what you think
>>41487417>>41487901>>41488436comical amount of effort for barely any gain. none of that will happen
>>41487244Im from europe so might be different.The "hard" part really is primary sourcing which technically is banned already but the chinese seemingly are able to circumvent any customs controls in europe rn and even then, for e2 you dont even really need the chinese if youre in a country with lax chemical supply laws and you make it via precursors
>>41488955Ok so I read through the thread and in realistic terms without turning the state into a full on perfect fascist state that makes no mistakes and assumes no one secretly does shit, yeah, you could ban tranniesLol
>>41488863For legal HRT, the federal government is already deliberating on cutting federal subsidies for hospitals that provide body desecration services. If that happens, then hospitals will slash their butchery departments, including all prescriptions for exogenous hormones. That leaves you with DIY HRT.It's really only a matter of time until there's a panic in the US about DIY HRT. Whatever they decide to do to combat it, won't be as effective as my propositions, but either way it's going to be more difficult to get DIY solutions. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to criminalize it under the Comstock Act.We're going to try our hardest to reintegrate you mutilators, even though you deserve prison time for the disfigurement and poisoning of the American youth. That is because we're merciful. We will accept you back, but you must stop taking the poison and stop pushing the poison on America's youth. You can be a feminine man, you can be a masculine woman, we don't care, we just want to stop the poisoning.
>>41489012I don't want to be a disgusting hairy and balding man, at least being a deformed one I'm happier
>>41489057Your body screams for you to stop killing yourself. Your body isn't made for this and every moment you spend trying to deny your nature shaves off years of your life and exhausts you mentally. You can be a man, you just need some strong male role models to look up to. We want to help you.
>>41489095yeah try out being a "feminine man" being balding and hairy while everyone around makes fun of your appearance, at least being a deformed intersex male, even if that makes my life shorter, I don't want to have a male body lol
>>41489095Eunuchs have longer lifespans than intact men tho.
>>41489127your behavior doesn't have to match your appearance
>>41489153LOLyeah and?I don't care, good try on your trolling concerning, if I stop on HRT I would be forever on untranny valley and be uglier than ever be and I'm not american lol, your enforcements doesn't have power here , I can just buy my hormones on pharmacy without prescription get fucked by testosterone on your body
>>41489136Testosterone ruled bodies have more chances of heart attacks lol, and he also on higher chance of prostate cancer
>>41489127>>41489136No ones saying you can't be a eunuch. I would actually support the reintroduction of a eunuch class. There are many benefits to it and many empires throughout history have had eunuchs. I think we would employ eunuchs as servants to our Einsatzgruppen. Having a physical release and male bonding for our purifiers will help prevent some of the problems that they had historically.However, no exogenous sex hormones, and you're still a male.
>>41489153>Anon doesnt understand the life quality to life length chart
>>41489012hahaha you guys are all such faggots why do you talk like sephiroth. no it wont. none of that will happen
>>41489252they really believe normies would think this is reasonable lol
How do we stop ass holes from regulating this shit? is the real question. Its not like I can just see a drug dealer for under the table HRTs. Plant extracts like pueraria mirfica and rhubarb, they're weak. I've taken to fermenting them and then altering the molecules with acidic catylists. Still nothing comes close to estradiol... Either that or my expectations are way too high. I just want to feel like me. But we got doctors hijacking the shit with trash regulations . And you're dumb ass trying to step on literally everyone's toes.
