>>41501782
how did you get off 4chan? and what advice would you give someone trying to get off it? thanks oldfag

>>41501782
Are you hot or are the women you date ugly?

>>41502171
I think of it like the advice my father gave me about quitting cigarettes--and it worked for me, for basically everything, although it sounds stupid.

You have to be brutally honest with yourself and force that awareness. For example, with cigarettes, I'm honest that some cigarette brands actually *really* hit the spot sometimes, like when I'm partying or sad, or after sex, whatever. But, I also know that more-often-than-not, cigarettes feel disgusting, are expensive, make my body feel like shit, ages me, etc., etc.

So be aware why you come to 4chan. But then, also be aware of *why* you want to stop coming here. You likely come here because you have a deep need for social connection and belonging. You probably just don't know how to find that, or are too scared to find that. Does that sound right? At any rate, be aware of the downsides--constantly blasting your brain with the fringes of society who are mostly miserable and morally depraved and hateful is extremely unhealthy for your brain.

In all these things think about "how will I feel after I do this thing?" and "What's the big picture of how I will feel if I continue this habit?"

>>41502203
I am pickier than I deserve. I have noticed that for casual sex, one night stands, it's relatively easy for me to get what I would consider to be, and likely for most people, to be very attractive women. However, I have also learned it's very hard for me to find very attractive women who want to date me seriously, for a variety of reasons.

Firstly, most women who are into women are bisexual and also have the impulse, inevitably, to want a biological child of their own. Just like how men fetishize trans women, cis bisexual women do, too. I was actually very surprised to find how rapey cis women can be--I used to think this was because they just saw me as a man who should be grateful for their touch, and that might sometimes be true, but I hear about this behavioral problem from cis lesbians about the bisexuals I talk to as well. I've never encountered this issue with lesbians. I think, by and large, many bisexual women are just too used to dating men.

At any rate, sometimes I have very hot girlfriends, but they tend to be crazy and that's why they'll date me, I believe. I have learned that while being hot is great, I would rather just date someone stable and compassionate that I have at least some sexual attraction for. I feel like overall, my dating life in terms of beauty is pretty well above average, yet I see myself as like... pretty average looking for a woman, yet I have various androgynous features that place me in a niche. I'm tall, my voice sometimes is off, sometimes I get clocked. Yet I find a fulfilling romantic life and a variety of people gender me right and everyone at church is nice to me and doesn't even ask.

>>41501782
do you pass?
what age did you transition at?
do you primarily date lesbian or bi women? how do you meet them? same age or are they older/younger than you?
do you want to have marriage/kids?
are you stealth at your job?

do cis women touch your pp
do you think john 50 is a real phenomenon
do you think "traditional vs modern barolo" is a false dichotomy
given the global trend towards a post-pax-americana, multi-polar system, what should be the procurement strategy for regional unaligned powers that lack an advanced defense industry, particularly with respect to multirole fighter jets

>>41502322
I transitioned in my early 20s.

I guess late in life, I gravitate toward lesbians for actual dating, yet, bisexuals are plentiful, yet rarely go anywhere romantically.

I meet them online primarily, through dating apps. However, at this stage in life, I've learned that I'm autistic, which has helped tremendously. I have learned to be extroverted and that, especially when I let people know, almost everyone I talk to likes me. And I have found women through my extroversion while merely about in the city.

I desperately want someone to marry, to love forever, to devote myself to, to cherish. I don't think I'd be a good mother.

IDK about passing, I kind of answered that in >>41502308

But at this stage of life I've learned that if people like me, they clearly think I'm beautiful sometimes, that if I can be the life of the party, or the solace of a good friend in trying times, or the devout lover of someone I find immensely attractive, getting caught up in labels and concern for how well I pass doesn't do me much good.

When I go to the gym, I'm a bit more masculine, though, and bro-out with the bodybuilders.

>>41502402
Yes, I enjoy using my dick and most women aren't shy about it. I've even had a lesbian tell me she's never touched one before.

I have no idea what John 50 is. I Googled it and I saw something about repression late into life. I think repression can be very intense. I know for me I had to be on the brink of death before actually taking the plunge into transition.

> do you think "traditional vs modern barolo" is a false dichotomy
I'm not educated on wine, sadly, that seems like a very enjoyably cultured thing to become educated on, yet expensive.

> given the global trend towards a post-pax-americana, multi-polar system, what should be the procurement strategy for regional unaligned powers that lack an advanced defense industry, particularly with respect to multirole fighter jets
I'm thinking about moving to China, that's all I'll say.

>>41501782
Hi auntie nona!! What advice would you give to a 23 year old troon who is a total recluse (goes outside once a month), has no money, no friends, and is high 24/7 w/ no will to live? Is there any point in going on when you're an uncanny man faced freak that society reviles? I am genuinely curious, I've never met an old trans person before

>>41503010
I recommend finding *REAL* community. I think volunteering, getting involved in local scenes (music, theater, arts, etc.) is a great way to find that. Even as a trans person you may be surprised to find you can shop around for an accepting and welcoming, loving church that will treat you like family.

I feel like I'm quite androgynous yet I have people who love me in my life, platonically, and previously, romantically. My dating life is fun. I find life precious. There's so much to live for, you just have to go through the brutality of not only becoming yourself, but being comfortable in yourself enough to engage with others.

God, bless you, anon.

did you ever date cis men/twinks and why not?

how long did it take you to be happy with your voice

do you feel safe living in this country in the next 10 years

is there any advice you have to the generation of early 20's twinkhons

>>41501782
Why do you still have your dick?

>>41503278
>did you ever date cis men/twinks and why not?
I'm into not just the feminine form, but also the feminine mind. However, I have occasionally met a man so feminine and gentle, that I found them attractive.

> do you feel safe living in this country in the next 10 years
Not worried about it, but I am planning on moving to China.

> is there any advice you have to the generation of early 20's twinkhons

Find real community, positive community that isn't founded upon misery. Real life community. Don't spend too much time around other trans people/in trans circles. Get warm, accepting people in your life. Maybe some that will show you how to do makeup etc. Maybe go to a gay bar! Learn to find comfort in yourself by finding comfortable,stable people.

>>41503290
I don't have dysphoria about it and I enjoy it during sex, but I find myself borderline asexual so even if it did give me dysphoria I think about sex and my body in such a context so rarely, it would be manageable.

>>41503188
okay what if you can't do that?

i can't drive and i live in the middle of nowhere. what do i do then, rot and die?

i'm not the one you responded to btw but i also have this issue

>>41501782
Why did you transition?

>>41501782
Met girl I like (me cis bi guy). She invited me to a few things on campus and then we hung out and smoked weed and I thought I caught some chemistry between us. Told her over text I was crushing on her since I never run into her in person otherwise, and she tells me she's too early into her transition to seek a relationship (less than a year). I say it's all good. Few days later we're back to texting per usual.

Now, you gotta understand I'm genuinely retarded but I don't mind friendship. What I'm confused on is, was this a genuine sorta "I gotta wait" thing from her or was she brushing me off and she's not interested in me like that. I'd ask but it's a little early I think to drudge it up again.

Either way, damn fine woman. Passes well in my eyes and I admire her. Worth waiting for imo, otherwise a friendship is good too.

>>41503506
I would recommend staying away from drugs and finding an online community that's founded upon an interest or something productive/positive.

>>41503528
I had symptoms of gender dysphoria since before puberty. It was in fact upon reading about male puberty when I started freaking out, I recall even like... crying... something like this. I am quite old, these memories are hazy. But I would do things like wear coats even in summer to hide my body. I had no idea what being trans was back then and I also thought the best I could do was surgery to transition. I had no idea about HRT. I had various signs, even one person who thought I was trans, in my youth. Once I found out about HRT I still repressed--it scared the shit out of me. But many experiences solidified the idea that this gave me what little happiness I had in life. So after being on the brink of death trying not to transition, I thought it better to just transition than suffer a slow agonizing inevitable death. And like the first week or month of anti-androgens I felt a huge wash of relief. It felt like such a blessing not to have testosterone so dominantly in my body. That's when I knew 100% beyond a doubt that transition was an absolutely perfect decision for me. There were weird ways I knew that testosterone felt like it was torturing me and hurting me that go beyond the superficial/physical. Now, years later, I am happy with how people treat me, I am relatively happy with how I look, how I express myself, and I am content with myself in that, at least, lesbians and bisexual women see me as enough of a woman to interact with me romantically as one. And people treat me with the gentleness they afford women, which makes me feel in my own skin. So there's lots of perspectives here: biological, emotional, sociological. I would argue the most significant for me was this feeling that indeed my brain was female and it was SCREAMING at what was happening with my hormones and the bodily incongruity.

>>41501782
I just started hrt and can very much relate, though I don't care if I end up with anyone. my goal is to be the fit Amazonian type.

>>41503707
I feel you, I love the gym. Women seem to really enjoy my strength and my muscles. I'm also quite tall.

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>>41501782
mainly asking advice for myself instead of something about you, sorry
how do you know if you should actually troon out or not? i've been jealous of women and wanted to be one of them my whole life (if i had to describe myself with blanchardian lingo it would be as a meta-attracted agp, been like this since forever), but my body type is shit for transitioning, even if i got luckshit results. odds are i will never fully pass, and i don't know if i could accept that.
do i just rep and pretend these thoughts never existed? i'm pretty good at controlling my response to emotional outbursts nowadays.
or do i troon, at the risk of never fully passing, which would likely lead to my suicide? i'd hate to try and change nature, just to fail miserably.
i'm hoping you and your oldshit wisdom may bring some perspective here.
t. 19yr old repper

>>41502308
Holy shit this has been my experience with bisexual women too. What really frustrates me about it is that they usually act like innocent angels even when you confront them about their rapeyness

Is it true that some MtFs go to support groups and talk about weird shit like how they love wearing women's underwear? I've only heard second hand reports because I never went to one of those things.

>>41502438
how did you learn to be extroverted? thank you for taking the time to answer questions btw, it's very much appreciated.

>>41506106
Not OP but I have experience with this. Yeah they do that and other weird shit. The group I went to for a time almost always talked about their Ikea sharks or about how awesome it is to be a lesbian and polygamous. I stopped going after a while because I couldn't stand it anymore.

>>41502308
>>41506095
Rapey how?

>>41506141
Sounds like I dodged a bullet.

I never understood the need for a support group. Start HRT and laser, boymode until it starts to become ridiculous, transition, move to a new town. No need for a support group. No need for a therapist.

>>41506212
I've gone to a few meetings but basically only with the intention to diypill anyone getting hondosed

>>41506212
I mean it can get a little lonely being a tranny, and having others to talk about HRT, surgeries, doctors, etc would be nice, but this isn't really what those people talk about in those groups unfortunately.
Also this >>41506239 but you also risk getting dogpiled for advocating for something as evil and dangerous as diy

>>41506174
For example not asking for consent at all, just directly reaching between your legs and violently jerking you off.

>>41506255
I had cis friends while trooning. That was enough.

>>41504483
This is such fucking bait but if you don't transition at 19 you will want to kill yourself by 21. That's how fast latestage male puberty hits. It's fast, brutal, and I guarantee you're not done it and I guarantee in 3 years tops you won't recognize your body anymore.

Transition fucking today or end up dead inside me like. I went from twink at 19 to balding at 20. It's too fucking late now, and I wish every dat a tranny punched 19 year old me in the face when I still could have fucking passed.

Now I'm just a frowning bald dude. That'll be you someday soon. It isn't fun. Believe me, you'd rather be a twinkhon than a man if you EVER consider transitioning, and 19 year olds are retarded actually children and shouldn't be legal adults imo. You literally don't realize yet that in your 20s your entire body changes overnight. Until now, it's been gradually and steady and also not that big a change. One day you will wake up and not recognize yourself, though, and that day comes so fucking quick once you're out of high-school.

>>41507353
He won't get it because a year still seems like a long time to him anon, not like a week gone by.

>>41507353
Implants exist retard

>>41507353
you know the last few years or so of balding are reversible, i think you get a bit of a grace with HRT if you only recently hit twinkdeath

>>41506271
Giwtwm

>>41507353
just fucking transition already it is never too late jackass

Did you like to crossdress before you transitioned? I plan on getting HRT soon, but I like to privately honmode when I know when no one will see me.

>>41504483
No need to apologize.

I knew I needed to transition because I was quite aware that avoiding transition, out of fear of mistake, or just general fear, was slowly killing me. So whatever I thought the outcome was, I just had to do it.

I don't really think repressing works well for anyone.

I encourage you to read some of my other posts, like >>41503616

My bit of wisdom is that the moment I took antiandrogens, regardless of how well I passed or what my outcome might be, my brain stopped screaming at my body, in a way, about the hormones pulsing in my body. And estrogen only helped me fall into the fold of being myself.

It reminds me of Jim Sinclair saying, "Far be it from me to say God made a mistake. I don't think God made a mistake with me. I like who I am."

Your journey is hard, but I believe in you, and I believe you can get to a point, regardless of external validation and stresses, although community is important, where you can feel the same as Jim.

>>41506095
Yeah and worse yet, there's a power dynamic. If I tell someone that a tiny bisexual woman raped me, they're not going to believe my tall, bodybuilding ass--she could even flip the script. However, I have found that in actuality, I can just speak up. For example, not but two weeks ago I was with a cis woman and I wasn't into her, yet she kept grinding on me and I kept having to tell her STOP and she wouldn't and I said something like "I would tell you I will hit you if you don't stop, if I didn't think saying such would get me in trouble." She got the message and actually apologized for being rapey--because, ironically, I was talking to her about how cis bisexual women feel free to be this way with my body.

>>41506106
Thankfully I never went to groups like that. I regretfully hungout in lots of online tranny groups for a while, but got the idea, after some time, that these places are incredibly toxic because it's a bunch of adults going through estrogenic puberty while being hated by societ

>>41507422
For a while I used to think I liked men. It's kind of funny about the AGP/HSTS thing. Because I actually started out thinking I liked men railing me, but really I just liked that they enjoyed having me cross dress for them, and I didn't realize that *that* was the part that felt very validating and nice.

>>41501782
>only date cis women
Why? Trans women belong to straight cis men.

>>41507522
how did you realise that you weren't into men, like did you stop being aroused by male bodies, or did never like them visisually and were just into the validation and attention men gave you?

>>41507353
Latestage male puberty is a myth. I started at 21. No brow ridge, no wide chin, no square jaw, no wide shoulders, no wide rib cage, no hairline loss.

>>41501782
tbhon i am also an oldfag but what would you do if a transbian tried to seduce you?

>>41501782
What about being a woman appeals to you?

The only part I wanted was the pussy. Other than that, being a man seems much easier than being a woman.

>>41501782
I’m removing my penis. If you’d like to fuck a trans woman like you fuck and date cis women I’m ok with that.

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>>41501782
a few things I guess

I’m assuming that since you haven’t had SRS and only date cis women they expect you to top 100% of the time. is my assumption right or wrong?

what advice do you have for people who aren’t getting what they want out of HRT and who struggle with confidence wrt presenting more fem?

what do you make of the complete derangement that users of this board display when they encounter a non-heterosexual MtF? it seems to have gotten worse lately and at times comes across as something bordering on psychosis

>>41501782
What's it like to live 15 years in delusion calling yourself a woman while using your penis (the male sex organ incase you forgot) to penetrate your partners vagina?

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