The prefix "inter" implies being between sexes, but intersex individuals are still either male or female, they just have some atypical development thrown in the mix.Intellectual dishonesty is prevalent in the movement, and it's ruining everything.Stop lying and obfuscating to get what you want.
Most trannies are not intersex. There's no such thing as "neurologically intersex" when an individual is entirely physiologically normal for their sex. Gender dysphoria comes not from an "intersex brain" but from autoheterosexual frustration.
>>41510872Pretending the sex of people who often can't reproduce is some relevant immutable biological reality is stupid. See >>41510532It's like arguing about the theoretical sex you have when you're no trolling on 4chan. We all know you don't have sex.
>>41510908TERF logic leads to CAIS XY women being categorized as homosexual men. It's not useful. TERFs are very nasty women.
>>41510908A person's biological sex doesn't pop into existence to preform reproduction and then duck back into hiding afterwards.A person's biological sex permeates their entire being, it effects how they think, their desires, their proclivities, their instincts and behaviour... males and females are distinct entities.
>>41510872>Stop lying and obfuscating to get what you want.Females ought to lead by example and do that first.
>>41511022Prove it
>>41511282It won't. TERFs seem to think males and females are entirely different species.
>>41511022Yeah you already tried this Jordan Pedersson shit in another thread. I was there. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.Your rules stop working in the edge cases.t. a human edge case
>>41511282It has already been proven. The proof is baked into the mathematics of reproductive investment and natural selection. A female invests far far more time and energy into reproduction, the selective pressures surrounding successful reproduction is drastically different between the sexes. We see it across every sexually reproducing species, not just humans, it's an undeniable reality.Here's another example, Sweden has aggressive gender equality policies when it comes to wages and labor, yet when left to their own devices the sexes self-segregate into different fields. Women into health, social, education and men into manufacturing, tech, and construction. We can track these very same natural sex-based proclivities back to childhood, studies unequivocally show that males trend towards *things* while females trend towards *people.*
>>41511416Sure sounds like DEI, diversity quotas, forced hiring and promotion of females, extended maternity leave, and all the other pro-female policies were just a massive waste of time.
>>41511416>The proof is baked into the mathematics of reproductive investment>reproductive>intersexYou happen to know where I can get clown shoes in a US children's size 3? I wanna be like you one day.
>>41511899Following that up to say chill, I'm 40. I'm just tiny.
>>41511416>you see, the sexes naturally segregate in my completely natural social structure that naturally appeared out of nature!
>>41511899Why are people surprised that birth defects exist so much? There are many more than just deformed genitals you know.
>>41511416>studies unequivocally show that males trend towards *things* while females trend towards *people.*Unless they're gay. Gay dudes are all over pink collar work.
>>41514316Forgetting about intersex people in a thread calling intersex a misnomer sure is something.But the whole thing is kind of stupid. Like sure maybe people have a tendency towards different interests but are they even remotely reliable? I work in tech with multiple women, all of whom I presume are cis.In fact if you measure any one trait you'll find there's usually more overlap than separation between sexes. Even for physical traits it's a matrix of attributes that makes someone recognizably male or female. Which means if a trans person isn't passing it could be one trait if it's too severe but it's probably many smaller things put together.This is great because weird bioessentialists pants themselves in public regularly by claiming women are biologically driven to the kitchen. But doing it in reference to intersex people is a special kind of stupid.Or by transvestigating obviously cis women because of their prominent mons pubis (literally a female trait) or whatever.
>>41510872Who fucking cares niggaWe're not slaves to language; it's a crutch, not a holy book."What does fetus mean in Latin?" ass
>>41510872Semantics.>>41510908This.>>41511022The fact that people STILL believe in essentailism in 2025 blows my mind. Read Sartre.>>41511416How do you explain the existence of GNC people? Oh, wait, you won't, because you're a sophist. kys.
>>41516363>The fact that people STILL believe in essentailism in 2025 blows my mind. Read Sartre.You have a long career ahead with Starbucks
>>41510872>The world "purple" implies being between colors, but purple colors are still either blue or red, they just have some atypical pigmentation thrown in the mix.>well yes there is one “true purple” color that is equally both, but all other “purples” are either red or blue>well yes it wasn’t possible to distinguish between true purples and false purples until the last few decades of advances in scientific testing, but now that we can tell we should start calling them blue or redWhy?
people like op are literally braindead and incapable of understanding what a gradient is
>>41516382Not an argument.
>>41516446>Sperm>Spergg>EggShow me a spergg.
>>41514548You're describing a bimodal distribution of traits society considers either stereotypically male or stereotypically female. Like height. A short man is not a woman. The fact that men can be short doesn't make sex a spectrum. You are retarded.
>>41511022how mysticalthe truth is sex is reproductive. If you don't reproduce, even just out of apathy, you are effectively asexual. You may think your chromosomes have a grandiose effect on your life or whatever but its completely irrelevant in biological evolutionary perspectives.
>>41510872Isn't it only considered "either male or female" because other variants of intersex are not given a similar word?Like how we don't call XXY people hifomale or some shit like that.
>>41518444Wow.
>>41518471No, an XXY person is male, unless their SRY gene is defective. You can be a male with an intersex condition, or a female with an intersex condition.
>>41518402Yes but at some point when a "man" has overwhelmingly female characteristics society will simply not recognize them as male, whether they'd like you to or not.And if they literally can't reproduce, say, for the same reason they look suspiciously female, what's the point of insisting they are male? If it's about gametes they're neuter. But it's rarely about gametes.Calling people retarded doesn't make you right. It just makes you lazy.
>>41518705Society being mistaken about a male being a male doesn't make the male any less male. Retard.
>>41518584That's what I'm saying sillyYou call them male BECAUSE we don't don't call them something separate?
>>41518971You can just ignore her. terfs simply want to maintain their super special female club (while demanding that male clubs be opened up to females)
>>41518971We can create a brand new word for all the different intersex conditions if you like, but changing words doesn't change categories. We will still be able to group these individual conditions into two distinct camps, male-based intersex conditions and female-based intersex conditions.
>>41519032Damn that sucks>>41519075I was told you ignore you :( sorry anon
>>41519092The real reason terfs have started going on about intersex stuff is they realized that MTFs with DSDs can pass. Passing is the worst sin to them, so they feel an urge to verbally put the trannies in their place.
>>41518444Based>>41518954>>41519075MOST, but not all, DSDs can be categorized as male or female. But I'd argue it's a bit arbitrary for anyone who can't reproduce, if sex is defined by someone's role in sexual reproduction. Which it is, if you're a reproductive biologist or a fertility doctor or someone trying to make babies.Nobody else really cares about this except TERFs though. It's not even relevant to sex assigned at birth, except that it's overwhelmingly likely your reproductive sex corresponds to your genitals at birth. Sex is assigned/observed by genital inspection, which turns out to be a lot cheaper and faster than genetic analysis and gonad biopsy.The next time I go through security screening somewhere the person checking my ID and my person won't have the capacity to know which gametes I do or "would have" produced. They will make assumptions based on a combination of social convention and secondary sex characteristics. Unless it's a really detailed exam they won't even see primary characteristics.Therefore this debate, and your position in it, are unforgivably uninformed.Please consider touching grass.
>>41519092You can ignore the anon that told you to ignore me anon. They're just writing fan fiction about me now since they lost the argument.
>>41519281>I'd argue it's a bit arbitrary for anyone who can't reproduceAnd you'd be wrong. The function of teeth is to chew food, whether you only eat soup or not. A person with an intersex condition is like someone who got their teeth knocked out.Evolution shaped our bodies to preform reproduction, whether you reproduce or not is arbitrary. We're built for it. A female body is distinct from a male body because the selective pressures on female bodies is very different than the selective pressures on a male bodies.It's simple, no need to tie yourself in knots about it. All sexually reproducing species come in two distinct forms, male and female. You know this.
>>41519307>seethinghmseems like it hit the spot kek>>41519075Well yeah, if you group people based off arbitrary and incomprehensible metrics that are basically "uh i think they should be there" vibes you can group people, shockerIt's the same principle that allows me to group all food as either a sandwich or a soup, doesn't make that grouping functional or correct
>>41519383>secondary sex characteristics are irrelevant>except when I say they areYou're talking in circles.
>>41519535>seethingIt's a little annoying when we're in the middle of a discussion and someone starts telling me my shoe size and what I had for breakfast yesterday, despite not knowing me from Adam.>arbitrary and incomprehensible metricsWhat is arbitrary and incomprehensible about the categories of male and female? These are very distinct and definable categories.
>>41519584You'll have to walk me through your reasoning there. Who's talking about secondary sex characteristics? If a person is female their entire organism is female. Mind, body, all of it. All of it shaped by the life trajectory distinct to being female.
>>41519650By what mechanism though? Like what does it mean for one's skin to be female?
>>41519931I don't know the particulars regarding skin, but the mechanism that shaped our male and female forms is of course the same mechanism that all variations of life derive from, natural selection.A male's skin is perhaps tougher and thicker than a female's? Again, I don't know the particulars, but I could see a selective pressure influence there, given the fact that males are the purveyors of violence.
>>41520089There's definitely a physical influence. It's specifically the result of the different effects of testosterone and estrogen and progesterone on skin.Most characteristics are like this. Even genital development is driven by hormones—generally speaking the presence of the SRY gene kicks off a cascade that results in testes that secrete testosterone that can be converted to DHT and these hormones drive most fetal masculinization, and then they reappear and do more things during puberty.Separately AMH secreted by the testes leads to the destruction of the Müllerian ducts.Intersex conditions interfere with some part of this chain. Someone, for example, who produces testosterone in male quantities but who has non-functional androgen receptors will not masculinize, except that the AMH step still works. They will be assigned female at birth and their condition will likely not be discovered until puberty.That's just one example. That condition is called CAIS, and in a strict sense everyone with CAIS is male. But they are born with female external anatomy and will develop the female morphotype, because testosterone cannot prevent this in them.Most of what we think of as male characteristics are like this. Larger muscles? Testosterone. Deeper voice? Testosterone. Facial and body hair? Testosterone or I think actually DHT (relevant for people with 5ar2d). Breasts? Estrogen. Reproductive fat? Estrogen.What's poorly understood is how precisely these things influence neurological development.
>>41519201Probably this.Though they act like it's the opposite when confronted with a passing MTF. So they seethe and they pass unimplementable laws based on chromosomes and internal anatomy and shit, ignoring that a lot of intersex people had parts removed without their consent and may not even know they ever had them.
>>41520241I think you reduce our sex differences to these hormones only for your own ideological convenience, since you like to believe HRT changes a person's sex in some significant way.Of course, you must know most of the differences in development between the sexes occurs during fetal development. Thankfully they haven't started giving HRT to "trans fetuses" yet.
>>41510872maybe quit being autistic and use language ever so slightly loosely like everyone else. this is the same bullshit of "well, technically you mean *envy*, not *jealousy*, nah shut the fuck up ppl like you are insufferable
>>41520684Nah, it's a relevant complaint. The name confuses people. They legit think intersex is "between the sexes," like a third sex. This isn't helped by the trans misinformation squad using intersex to shore up their argument for gender genocide.
>>41510872see >>41511003your categorization is worthless
>>41520583I had atypical development. That's why this is relevant to me.But literally that's how nearly all sex differences work. Not my fault humans are built like this.
