You should be allowed to openly express that you are a gender dysphoric cis individual and discuss your experiences without trans related stigma or people attempting to convince you to troon/poon out Being trans is not an inherant or immutable trait and not everyone should follow that path in life
>>41522023based
>>41522023>fall off roof>post about my arm bending the wrong way, how much it hurts>”OP, it sounds like your arm is broken. If you go to a doctor and get that set, it’ll probably hurt way less.”Why are there no spaces where I can talk about my injury without everyone encouraging me to become a castcel?
>>41522100Gender dysphoria as a mental illness is a lot more complex than something physical like an injury and transition doesn't always fix or really address the issue
>>41522192Right but like, if you posted about having ADHD/depression/schizophrenia, you’d expect people to suggest stimulants/SSRIs/antipsychotics, no? And obviously those don’t always fix the problem, but a person should typically start there
>>41522349No you fucking pill pushing fucking retard. Pills and drugs are the last fucking resort you lazy scum disgusting bag
>>41522349Youre just fucking people up with every one those drugs. Every single one of those is extreme. HRT is extreme. It's not the first fucking resort you push on vulnerable people.
>>41522192nah it basically is just a case of socially transition or rot. reppers think theyre special or that its complicated, theyre just fucked until they transition. and doing that without hrt isnt sustainable. so stfu and take the pills. the end
>>41522443Jfc I hate you people
>>41522023good 4 you, sorry for your discomfort, get a partner they will sure fix you
>>41522457and yet you seek us out, because subconsciously you want to lose this argument.take your pills schizo
>>41522472What? Im saying stop pushing drugs and chemicals onto people you disgusting piece of shit
>>41522484pills and chemicals are the solutions to a whole lot of illnesses :)
>>41522443In a kinder world there would be compassionate discussions about solutions to this issue that don't just amount to "just stop thinking about it" or "get on hormones and get a fuck ton of surgeries to hopefully make you somewhat happier meanwhile alienating you from your family and much of society" but unfortunately such topics can only be discussed here and even then you will still immediately be told to do the latter
>>41522484im sorry but equating hormones to "dangerous chemicals" and "drugs given to you by psychiatrists" is kinda dumbpsychiatrists are the agents of complacency and of a society that would rather keep their cogs running, taking E is anything but lmao
>>41522519its because the solution in relation to our society, for individuals, is to do the lattergrand ideas of trying to reform the boundaries of social gender will take a very long time to manifest, longer than the youth remaining of anyone posting here
>>41522472>subconsciously you want to lose this argumentnot her but this is basically every repper. Reppers hang out in trans spaces in hopes someone will convince them they are wrong.
>>41522526>psychiatrists are the agents of complacency and of a society that would rather keep their cogs running, taking E is anything but lmaoMen are literally sterilizing themselves with estrogen you nitwit
>>41522563who cares about it
>>41522563>men Men dont want to be women, if you want to be a woman and you were born a boy that means you're a tranny. Its such a small percentage too and if those men wanted to be women its highly doubtful they wouldve reproduced with a woman anyways, women tend to sense stuff like that.
>>41522606This is the equivalent of using the stars to tell you about your life. Every single human being on this planet, in the entirety of history, has thought about being the other gender. Its like the most obvious logic experiment that even children do at a young age. Theres media about it sans any sort of trans identity attached to it. It can be curiosity, escapism, a fetish, a social yearning, body dismorphia. It could be literally fucking any of those and those all can be remedied in completely different ways, none of which have to be transitioning. And the people who have these symptoms are not necessarily going to benefit from transitioning. I dont understand how that isnt painfully clear to you guys. >>41522472>because subconsciously you want to lose this argumentI think you guys just perpetuated out of hope that it can just be shoe-horned into being true to justify your own personal actions. Its fucking not. Life is complicated.
>>41522534It's not a great solution if the outcome is possibly being in a much less favorable standing in society while still suffering from the same affliction that caused you to follow this path in the first place. It's really just a trade off of being miserable and outcasted or miserable and outcasted and also down a couple thousand dollars and if the end result is a failure then you just become an obvious "in between" thing that no one understands. If it were possible to accept that there are women who wish they were men and men who wish they were women but both know that it's not possible, and that being trans is something you choose to be, it would be a lot better for everyone involved. If someone really hates transgenders anyway then actually supporting cis gender-dysphorics so that they have other options besides transition would pretty great.
>>41522669>It's really just a trade off of being miserable and outcasted or miserable and outcasted and also down a couple thousand dollars and if the end result is a failure then you just become an obvious "in between" thing that no one understands.so real
>>41522651Men do not want to be women, they just dont. Ive asked cis male friends if they've ever had the desire to be a woman and theyve all said absolutely not, its not even a thought that crosses into their head, they arent obsessing about it and they definitely arent taking HRT just to check. If you have thoughts of wanting to be a woman and you were born male that makes you a tranny, and the cure for being a tranny is HRT along with FFS and other gender affirming treatments. I dont know why you argue against this because if not being a woman didnt cause you such distress you wouldnt even be here trying to argue this. You'd be living life as one of the 99% of boys who never participate in trans communities or have tranny thoughts
>>41522651ok but what you mean is "i dont need to transition for some reason" why dont you tell us about why you think YOU dont need to transition? since this is all personal
>>41522669just move to somewhere where people dont hate trans people your entire argument hinges on being trapped in oppressive places. the solution is not to adapt, it is to leave
>>41522023Yall are funny. If you are about to kill yourself maybe try hrt. If ur just sad about it sometimes it's probably not clinical enough to take meds. If you think itll make you really really happy then try hrt. If you think it sounds cool or interesting and thats it plsplspls dont. Its stigmatizing to trans ppl to make things so black and white. Also not everyone on hrt and gets off it is going to john50 its okey to be wrong cus ur life sucked for another more obscure reason
>>41522682This is dumb. No one is going to notice if you detransed barely anyone even notices if you mode. You drama queens
>>41522713Not her but what if you're scared of being a tranny and you just want to be a normal boy?
>>41522705>If you have thoughts of wanting to be a woman and you were born male that makes you a tranny, and the cure for being a tranny is HRT along with FFS and other gender affirming treatments.No it fucking doesn't. There's a dozen other reasons why somebody would be fantasizing or wanting to be a woman. Lurk moar.>>41522713I have no idea what youre trying to say. I've been doing hrt for almost 2 years
>>41522720Okay that is not really possible for the near future or ever for some, makes the alienation from family issue worse, "where people don't hate trans people" can very quickly change, and it doesn't really fix the fact that hrt and surgeries won't make me the opposite sex or necessarily even look like the opposite sex if I am truly unlucky.
>>41522737So you really think most men are sitting around fantasizing about wanting to be a woman despite no evidence for that and a ton of evidence to the contrary? You really think most men are just hiding the fact that they want to be women and living their entire lives never admitting to it? If having tranny thoughts or feelings was so common and natural then why would trannies even be ostracized? Theyre ostracized because 99% of men cant fathom the idea of wanting to be a woman, its a completely alien thing to them, if they were really repressing constant tranny feelings the response to trannies would be a lot more normalized. And you can even see that theres a lot of right wingers who have extreme cognitive dissonance between their hatred of trannies and their want to be one and they always end up caving and being cast out from that community
>>41522780>So you really think most men are sitting around fantasizing about wanting to be a woman despite no evidence for that and a ton of evidence to the contrary? You really think most men are just hiding the fact that they want to be women and living their entire lives never admitting to it?Never said this dumb ass. You're over exaggerating what Im saying. If youre thinking so autisticly intensely about your gender then yeah man, consider it. But dudes will come here after masturbating to trannies and be like "I think I've learned something about myself" or incels obsessing over how short they are and how they definitely need to become a woman because of it. >If having tranny thoughts or feelings was so common and natural then why would trannies even be ostracized?Youre young if you have learnt that societies at large can represe their feelings or wants. But no I dont think hoardes if men are dying to become women like youre trying to straw-man my argument as. Im saying that its a spectrum and not so fucking black and white like you're so blatantly desperate to propagate.
>>41522023well what else do you expect people to say
>>41522826You argue with other people as a proxy for arguing with yourself. If you truly did not want to be convinced to transition, what reason is there to bring up your dysphoria to a bunch of trannies? Inside, consciously or subconsciously, you're hoping someone says the right string of words that will convince you to start transitioning. Otherwise you would have no reason to interact with this community you supposedly hate.
>>41522826I guess theres a lot of impressionable people out there but I think the standard has always been " Do you have persistent thoughts and feelings about wishing to be a woman despite being AMAB and do these thoughts and feelings cause you depression, discomfort, and/or a feeling of hopelessness and disconnect from yourself? If yes then you are probably a tranny and should take HRT to feel better."No ones saying if you had one fleeting thought of wishing you were a woman you need to go full speed ahead and transition but if you're consistently feeling depressed or disconnected because you are uncomfortable with your gender then theres really only one solution, transitioning.
>>41522758if youre not willing to live your own life nobody else is going to live it for you
>>41522884This is the modus operandi of every repper. They want to argue because subconsciously they want to lose the argument.
>>41522884Thats YOU, YOU DUMBASS. Lmfaooo holy projection. Ive already transitioned you moron and I dont hate this community. You are projecting so fucking hard. >>41522898Dude how fucking old are you. No, once again a lot of different fucking problems could be misperceived as gender disphoria and insta resorting to HRT is so fucking asinine.
>>41522023>tfw cis woman with PCOSI hate that I have the home team advantage (xx chromosome) but am still a fucking gorilla. I want to be a cute and pretty girl but it never happened! Puberty hit me at 10 and it was fucking over.
>>41522952Did it solve your problems? Transitioning, I mean.
>>41525160Its definitely helped my internal bitterness and jealousy quite a bit. I love my body a lot now. Im not a social transitioner just hrt. The problem is that now Im getting increasingly uncomfortable presenting as a male because of my breasts which is making me want to socially transition. I wish I was prettier.
>>41522705Well, here's the goofy part of the magic-overnight-girl transformation;how do you explain it to people? A witch did it?And, wouldn't you now have a new brain to match your new body, since you're now opposite sex entirely? Wouldn't that immediately nullify the experiement of getting transplanted of being "put" into a female?
>>41525189Have you noticed that your life is a lot harder now since you transitioned? >Im getting increasingly uncomfortable presenting as a maleThat's because YWNBAM. Detransition and go to a therapist.
>>41522557Less so in hopes of being convinced I'm wrong and more like praying for some kind of miracle.
>>41525246>YWNBAMwow very affirming. tysm. ill stop pretending to be a male immediately
>>41525189you're in the position i would be in if i didn't "detrans" bcs i was afraid of breasts outing me and transphobia ruining my life
>>41522100It doesn’t actually treat it or make it feel better though. Transition is a meme.
>>41525706Truth.
>>41525535Youre so jealous of me anon
>>41525778funny you should ask... i could kick ur butt
>>41525782Not to mention the cardinal sin of namefagging.
>>41525813I would... but they won't let these guns in B-)
>>41525892maybe youre right after all Anon... maybe i am a pathetic excuse for a man....
damn... i was too strong and scared him off...
>>41522651> Every single human being on this planet, in the entirety of history, has thought about being the other genderI’m a bit conflicted about this. I agree with you that having dysphoric thoughts doesn’t necessarily means that you just HAVE TO transition. That being said, I’m a bit unsure what do you mean by “thinking about being the other gender”. Depends on how you define thinking, I guess. I’m cis, and I never thought about it deeply before talking to my trans friend. The only instances I can remember before that were when I thought in passing that heh, if I was born a guy, I would’ve been in an army now (my country has mandatory conscription) or when I was really butthurt over the fact that women cannot go to International French Legion but realized that I would be disqualified even if I was a guy. But when I thought about turning into men (let’s say magically. My friend told me about the island & magical button test), I just… I don’t know how to frame it. It’s wrong. I would’ve feel weird. Too big, too wide, too awkward.
hon need to believe it's an immutable condition with a single treatment because they cant justify being what they are otherwise
>>41526106interesting so you would say trans is an innate quality whether they've transitioned or not rather than a label only for people who've transitioned?
>>41522192gender dysphoria just means you are sexist and homophobic
>>41527445trvkeimagine if people had to prove they aren’t sexist or homophobic before being prescribed HRT
>>41527465imagine if kids' parents were screened for homophobia before their kids were allowed to "transition"(zero kids would ever "transition" again)
>>41527445Hmm that is nonsense but alright
>>41527483it literally does though what part doesn't make sense?trannies think being submissive is being a woman and that castration makes you not gay
>>41527520I'm not mtf and also don't think those things
