>>41524760
AHHH I LOVE TR4NBIE!!
we talk every once and a while, she's really sweet, like an older version of myself

why would she admit to manufacturing and distributing child porn just to dunk on jeeps?

>>41524899
This is a hilariously obtuse thing to say about a child sex worker; quite possibly the most vulnerable and victimized class of people

>>41524913
>For trans girls, like myself, who began physically exploring transition related stuff from the age of 16 when I simply didn’t have access to money, one way to acquire goods was to essentially engage in a form of digital sex work where you would trade photos for goods
when i was 16 i got a job washing dishes for some walking around cash.

>>41524982
It's different when you're visibly queer and they scoff at you when you ask if they're hiring.

>>41524760
yeah seems about right
she's really just saying that the autistic amazon skirt trannies are the problem, which is true
like the internet sexualization and pornification of gay twinks and trannies is not great (I was doing that stuff in like ~2015), but at least there was some kind of solidarity. Trannies consuming trannies as a pornified identity revolving heavily around penis fetishism is unfortunate because it kills the solidarity.

>>41524990
>visibly queer
maybe dont strap a dildo to your forehead

>>41525042
you're refusing to address a real issue over some insecurity or something. work it out.
who cares if the sex worker isn't optimizing their income source, the problem is that it's happening, not that the individual was illogical in a moment of extreme need and isolation. you're being intentionally ignorant to avoid thinking about this in depth

>>41524760
It's 2025, this has been known for some time now!

Parents are in general more accepting of gender nonconformity in their children than they used to be. My parents were fine with me being a clueless feminine gay boy. I didn't get kicked out or run away and have to do sex work.

>>41525129
My parents were chill with me being a tranny fag, but i still did sex work because they were both shitty single parents who ignored me. what you're saying definitely plays a role in the cultural shift, although i think a big portion of it is just how accessible hrt is for like perverted 18/19 year old discord gooners. Like if you experience life as a "feminine gay boy" i think you still end up as a fairly typical transsexual type.

>>41525157
I think the removal of gatekeeping has had disastrous results. So many MTFs transitioning now seem to be young men who never learned social skills and figure it's easier to become a woman than to talk to one.

When I say I was clueless, I mean it. I got mocked by male peers in school for the way I moved when I thought I was just being normal, and also for being visibly aroused by attractive men before I understood why I felt that way about them.

unless you live in a sundown town in the 1940s it is not hard to get a job other than sucking dick as a teenager.

I’m going to stop short of saying that I believe this is, in part, due to the prevalence of faggots who realised they could take estrogen to get with more cishet men, but I’m also not going to pretend that thought doesn’t cross my mind a lot when I get the joy of meeting new trans girls whose eyes can’t stop scrutinizing my outfit, and whose first question after I disclose that I am a lesbian, are deeply personal questions about my sexual history.

>>41524760
I think she views trans people too strictly according to a binary. Doing sex work was simply not an option for me as a 16 year old because of my body. I don't want to go into details but I think viewing the only 'real' transwomen as people who transition under 18 is just shitty. I feel like she is trying to find meaning from a very traumatic time in her life.

>>41525338
that's funny, I could have written this but just swapped the roles of agp and hsts in this scenario and it would be true to my life. I've had lesbian trannies ask my within like 5 minutes if I want to have a threesome with their poly cisfoid partner

>>41525392
guess trannies really are just stereotypes

>>41525386
I don't think she's trying to make a binary based on age and sex work like that at all
she's pretty clearly saying underage sex work isn't a good thing, and really specifically criticizing trannies that buy sex or use trans spaces to "cruise", not people who transitioned older

why are hookers always such retards?
>i had to be an underage gay hooker because I JUST DID OKAY
>this is all the customer's fault!

>>41525386
I suspect if anything the inequality is going to flip at some point in the future i.e. androphilic MTFs will be likely to transition later as society's treatment of feminine gay men improves over time, and gynephilic MTFs will be likely to transition earlier with the easier access to trans content online.

Recall back in the 80s that typical ages of transition were early twenties for the androphiles and thirties onward for the gynephiles.

>>41524760
>thoughts on this article?
True, true. Sexually pushy gynephilic mtfs are definitely a problem in the trans community for any mtf who is vulnerable, whatever the reason.

>>41525430
>as society's treatment of feminine gay men improves
lol. lmao. Gays don't get a pass even in libshit circles unless they're Hallmark characters.

>>41525407
yeah i'm amazed how stupid this board is. i mean not really but like. It seems astronomically easy to understand that her point is the division between those with a life history victimized and those with a life history of victimizing others

>>41525407
Maybe I just don't really relate to what she is describing. In addition to having a body unsuitable to sex work I was also very shy and socially anxious, so my personality was unsuited to the kind of community building she describes here. In fact seeing naked people at all was overwhelming to my little autist brain. If anything the article really highlights the distance I feel from both stereotypical agp and hsts communities. But I also yearn for community with trans women, I just don't know how to find it.

>>41525452
i mean i was homeless and sexually abused and i am deeply unsympathetic to her because she's a fucking idiot

>>41525452
the second category of people are deliberately misinterpreting it because they want to justify their coomerdom.

>>41525493
Sounds like you yearn for community with autistic people, because they're the only ones who are going to get you.

>>41525452
I don't think it's such a clear binary though. An ex partner was a classic hyper sexual porn addict but she was also super abused by her parents who very much did not approve of her transition. I think believing you can cleanly delineate victims from victimizers is faulty.

>>41524760
I read a few of her poasts and honestly the tone and content reminded me of like 2015 or earlier style of tranner posts. I almost forgot it existed, and Im glad someone is still doing it.
Idk how widespread the things shes describing are tho because I no longer really frequent any specifically tranny spaces. Sounds cursed tho lol, never join a server that has a nsfw or vent chanels.

>>41525499
yeah unfortunately seems that way

>>41525496
okay? I was sexually abused and a prostitute and i am deeply sympathetic to her because she's very smart. like lol what are you even saying, do you just dislike her because it's a woman writing?

>>41525504
lots of abusers were abused by their parents, but lots of people who were abused do not become abusers
it's fair to distinguish between trans people who have been victims, and trans people who have victimized other trans people. Even if the victimizers have also been victimized in their lifetime, that's not really the point

>>41525504
right sure but, like did you read the article? the point is that there's been a visible increase in the phenomenon of gooned out gynephiles in trans spaces who use them as a fetishistic hunting ground

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>>41525069
>you're being intentionally ignorant to avoid thinking about this in depth

>>41525502
This feels like it's intended to be mean but I'm too autistic to tell. In any case I don't agree.

>>41525543
>bu--but this is my discourse space!! engage with me!!!!!!

>>41525547
>In any case I don't agree.
Well you're wrong. Stop injecting yourself into normie spaces and getting frustrated that you don't fit in.

>>41525558
Who even are you dog

>>41525572
Your tsundere guardian angel.

>>41525579
Want to have hot lesbian t4t gocks out secs like in anime

>>41525586
I'm pretty sure they don't do that in anime, though to be fair I haven't watched any since the 90s.

>>41525493
I feel you there, only I became good enough at acting to slide into normal social groups on a surface level. Absolutely miserable to do though.

no crusing in my trans spaces thats what cis gay men do

>>41525524
Idk the article just felt like shit talking being elevated to discourse to me. I kinda agree with it but still

>>41525591
Yeah the surface level friendship thing is real. It's hard to break through that crust as an autist

This is interesting. As someone who was out and in trans community IRL in the 00s. Sex work was the norm, yes, especially for nonwhite people, which I and most of us were. I'm not a trans woman, but trans men and nonbinary/genderqueer people were often in a similar boat.

I understand what the author is saying, especially in re: babytrans people whose sex work is 100% survival. It is gross and exploitative for someone who is essentially a trans elder to fuse compliments and help with sex, or act like purchasing sex work from someone is a neutral act under those conditions.

I do think that saying it is always class traitorship to purchase sex work from someone in-community is absurd, though.

>>41525611
I think the way to look at this is that shit talking is a casual form of discourse that draws from real concerns

I'm not your sister, mister

>>41525611
she could have said done more to talk about how trans women victimize other trans women but she was kinda lazy and conflated the victimization that cis men enact onto trans women with other trans women and relied on vibes to prove the point. the primary consumers of trans porn is not agp trannies its cis men who do not transition nor want to. trans women crusing in trans spaces isn't wrong in of itself but when you not being open for polycule sex restricts access to a wider community then it starts becoming an issue. i think her point about the "trans uniform" is ridiculous since outside of r/egg_irl the only people wearing that shit is femboys. however it is funny that she points out that trannies would wear it to promote their sex work on their personal accounts that were also posting hrt updates and shit because i doubt shes giving any of the trans women today that grace.

>>41525636
Having GD makes it a lot worse because that's just a huge chunk of yourself you can divulge at all to anybody. There was a persistent fear, for me, that if I opened up to anyone they'd somehow find out and ostracize me. There was no real 'queer community' of any open sort where and when I went to school to find some kind of refuge in if that happened.

>>41525700
>you can
Can't.

>>41525694
Yes these are very good points. It feels like it protrays t4t lesbians as inherently predatory which I don't agree with.

>>41525743
which is a shame because t4t lesbians absolutely can be predatory i think it just manifests slightly differently or at least its clear to me that she doesn't care about the t4t lesbians that do get victimized because she sees them just as predatory as their abusers.

>>41524760
as much as i would like to be in community with trans women who are straight and have normal social skills, i don't think doing survival sex worth is a worthwhile price to pay for that. things are materially better for trans people now and the increasing prevalence of sex-obsessed transbians in trans spaces is a byproduct of that.

>>41524760
I agree with that tweet 100%
any time you meet a transbian you witness it first hand

>>41525761
Yes it feels like it was written by a straight trans woman who is not familiar with or interested in the actual dynamics and nuances of transbians.

>>41525700
Real. I couldn't effectively perform either masculinity or femininity well enough for my peers.

>>41524760
I feel weird about how she lumps together johns with watching some porn as the exact same evil. I know husstuss FSSWs who watch porn, usually of twinks fucking, does that honestly make them morally tainted in sexual morals in some serious way the same as the old scrote hitting up 15 year olds on Grindr? I feel like that's where this tips over from a valid political response to a personal emotional response that is not useful to moving forwards.

>>41525865
This is like you saw a straight woman complaining about being harassed by lesbians, and said "she's just not familiar with or interested in the actual dynamics of lesbians." well, duh, she's straight

>>41525761
>she doesn't care about the t4t lesbians that do get victimized because she sees them just as predatory as their abusers.

nta. This read to me, frankly, as a trauma trigger. she probably can't help but have a screaming danger alarm seeing a situation where someone vulnerable is doing survival sex work and the people that are accepting when their family is not, that act "nice" and buy them things etc, are also perving on them. it's not exactly the same dynamic but it probably feels enough like it to her.

>>41525877
>Not only is the trans community welcoming to trans women who buy sex, the trans community has now evolved to a place now where it exists as a defacto cruising spot. Where involvement within it is viewed as an openness to be objectified and sexualised, and consent is provided by the simple fact of your existence as a trans girl. I’m going to stop short of saying that I believe this is, in part, due to the prevalence of chasers who realised they could take estrogen to get with more trans women, but I’m also not going to pretend that thought doesn’t cross my mind a lot when I get the joy of meeting new trans girls whose eyes can’t leave my breasts, and whose first question after I disclose that I have had a sex change, are deeply personal questions about my sexual function.
>I genuinely mourn for the next generation of trans girls who have never got to experience their own community as something other than one large messy polycule. I don’t write this silly blog to mock or jeer at others misfortune, nor to poke at people who are lucky enough to find sex a joyful experience, but I really do feel that the core aspects of sisterhood that has sustained me through being a trans woman since I was a teenager, are being lost to a culture of porn-obsession and sex, and the normalisation of hypersexuality without a critical eye to the harm that is often perpetrated alongside it. Sure, sex can be fun, but communities built only around what makes your sisters get their nut is never going to be able to fully nourish your soul.
i think these parts are what we are discussing. while her getting harassed by lesbians is certainly real and a problem she has zero interest in how those same lesbians will go on yo victimize other trans lesbians and seems utterly uninterested in a trans community that can have t4t with healthy boundaries and consent. it feels like she would rather it just be all straight trannies and no one else. which as a trans lesbian feels shitty.

>>41525922
>she has zero interest in how those same lesbians will go on yo victimize other trans lesbians and seems utterly uninterested in a trans community that can have t4t with healthy boundaries and consent
it's crazy how you can read the text you quoted and think this in response

>>41525611
It is. She has real trauma and valid talking points but then ruins it by boiling it down into "hussie good jeep bad" black-and-white thinking based on reductive stereotypes. The people she's talking about are real but the layout of the situation is not as simple and binaristic as she says. The urban queer scenes with the club dolls and teenage runaways etc are full of androphile trans women who are vicious opportunists, manipulators and clout goblins same as in any highly competitive community. I know of HSTS types who have been guilty of forcing themselves on straight men right up to committing sexual assault because they see themselves as victims and underdogs so much that at the time, they can't comprehend being in the wrong. She's looking for a simplistic narrative and solution to a world that doesn't work that way when you have a range, not only an extreme, of life experience.

>>41525941
If you're familiar with tr4nbie and her IG page no that anon is spot on about what she thinks lol, she just dresses it up in plausible-deniability language to sound more reasonable for her big viral state-of-the-union addresses.

>>41525922
>I genuinely mourn for the next generation of trans girls who have never got to experience their own community as something other than one large messy polycule
On one hand polycule culture is a huge problem, on the other I'm not sure the former culture built on the shared trauma of survival sex work is something that could really be preserved without the need for such work. Like, mourn that younger women won't experience the solidarity, but do be happy for them that they never needed to go through the trauma that created that solidarity.

>>41525958
>The urban queer scenes with the club dolls and teenage runaways etc are full of androphile trans women who are vicious opportunists, manipulators and clout goblins
shh dont give it away

>>41524760
describing it as a "mini patriarchy" is pretty stupid and cringe but that pic is true and real

>>41524760
calling it a 'mini patriarchy' is just inacurate, many troons are quite large

>>41524982
lol seriously

>>41525981
ehhhhh. I would kind of argue that they're still going through trauma. Sucking 45 year old dick at 19 isn't really much better just because the 45 year old has long hair and painted nails

>>41525042
My tranny friend got fired after two days of working at a gas station. She didn't even do anything, she just got a call saying that she's fired and when she asked why they said they don't have to tell why. I am in Poland however

>>41524760
kill yourself OP. cissoids are what's making the "community" unhealthy and always have been, not any of your subhuman made up fedslop. fuck off

>>41527327
a hit dog will holler lol

>>41524760
It's usually the other way around, the more masculine/autistic ones have their complaints of mistreatment by more neurotypical/passing/pretty/feminine ones discarded, and are often dehumanized
Who is this hon btw?

She's insufferable. She says a lot of real shit but like bitch you transitioned at 16 do you know how many of us dreamed of having that opportunity but lived in fundamentally unsafe families, and I don't mean "they say some homophobic shit and they're kinda religious sometimes", I mean daily verbal, physical, or sexual abuse. I had to leave my home country to feel safe to transition, because I was already scared I'd be killed daily. I kept a screwdriver next to my bed in case shit got really bad.
I transitioned at 22, one year after moving abroad, one year to self-therapy myself to know if it was truly the way forward. Because I was so dissociated in survival mode I was a zombie for a decade starting from puberty.
Oh and I'm probably hotter than you tr4nbie despite all this so cope brick :3

>>41526571
>>41525069
Stop playing victim. Many faggots here have regular jobs and live relatively normal lives. You are just lgbt freaks.

>>41527383
sybau glowie god you're annoying

>>41525009
good post! i agree

It's interesting that she compulsively adds "survival" in front of "sex work" and frames it like something trans women only do because they can't get a job outside of sex work. A foundational element of the "just want someone who wuuuuvs me uwu" grift, that seems to be quite lucrative, requires having a regular, non-sex-work, office job from 9 to 5. They keep that job (that they don't like) because it provides a cover story to tell men who otherwise might be more suspicious of their intentions.

>>41524760
i feel like the real problem i have with this screed is that yes it's bad to have sex pests in the trans community, but no one should want to go back to when you HAD to be sucking old man dick at 16 to stand a chance of trooning out.. like it's objectively better now that more people are able to transition.

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>due to the prevalence of chasers who realised they could take estrogen to get with more trans women
Isn't this the exact same strawman that terfs use to pathologize transbianism? But it's ok if I do it because I'm hot and transitioned early and that's just a gross man in a dress who watched too much porn!

>>41527585
She's a cunt like all faggots that describe themselves as dolls, but legitimately there's a lot of moids in trans spaces and they're predatory af and they act a simile of a parody of womanhood seen through their moid gaze and it's disgusting and is a big reason I left trans spaces.

>>41525834
tsmt

>>41526141
yeah but now you also have to pretend to love the 45yr old and manage her emotions so she doesn't kick you out of the polycule house that you were shipped to at 17 when ur parents kicked u out

what would be the best way to gatekeep predatory men who disguise themselves as trans women while still maintaining an open community that is more accessible?
>>41527568
>>41527593

>>41527568
what is more damaging, sucking old man dick at 16 or eating 38 year old Lilith the gigahon's unwashed ass at the polycule crib just to have a place to stay?

>>41527593
I am a straight male rapist and I want to have sex with a trans woman so I'm going to make an appointment at Callen-Lorde and get a prescription for estrogen and fuck up my body chemistry and give me wild mood swings and spend $500 at Sephora to look like a ghoul because I haven't been wearing makeup from the age of 15 and then I'm gonna walk around in public in a shitty getup from Temu because I have no idea how to dress myself, and it's all pat of a plot to insert myself into trans spaces even though I'm a straight male rapist, that totally makes sense yeah, that's so much easier than just working out and getting a nice haircut!

>and the social costs associated with transition are far more reduced, especially if you transition over the age of 25
What?
Also no, it's shit.

>>41527629
i mean they’re basically the same thing

>>41527616
i think it would be better to keep the lower level of gatekeeping we have now and normalize a lower tolerance for sexpest behavior within the community/

>>41527629
they're both horrible situations i wouldn't wish on anyone??? what are you trying to prove here

>>41527616
I personally gatekeep predators out of my life, solves many issues

>>41527640
The more I find out what goes on in the youngshit mind, the more I realize an immediate ban on experimental treatments on children under the age of 45 is of paramount importance, exposure to those drugs at an early age literally destroys the ability to empathize and turns you into a sociopathic narcissist with crippling main character syndrome

>>41527655
>what are you trying to prove here
nothing sorry i just wanted to participate in the discussion

>>41527694
oh no! sorry for coming off defensive, i just thought u were fishing for a specific answer for a gotcha, , mb ToT

i think it might be a problem that some of the most well known mtfs are involved in porn. people are going to see mtfs as fetish objects and i don't think the big onlyfans/twitter porn trannies are doing the mtf community any favors.

it would be good if there were more trans influencers that live normal lives and are highly educated and have partners (not polycules)

>>41524760
Dude have you seen her opps? Tr4nbie and I go way back, but holy shit that posse regarding Bundleofstyx and the rest? They are ALL sex pests. Tr4nbie is a queen :)
She’s HSTS and hates that AGPs are using her vocabulary and trying to wriggle in alongside her.

>>41524760
>thoughts on this article?
as an outsider this reads as someone who's butthurt that some tech nerds don't have to experience the same trauma that she did because they have jobs that pay well. the whole poly lets take ket together community is extremely weird but damn is this article catty
>t. bifag guy

>>41524760
the very small and niche overlap of tttt and the tr4nbie scene would make carly and carmen 41%. i love them sm i take everything they say as fact

>>41525958
>She has real trauma and valid talking points but then ruins it by boiling it down into “hussie good jeep bad” black-and-white thinking based on reductive sterotypes.

tr4nbie if u told this to her:
“well yes!!!”

>>41527673
u wouldn’t get it

>>41527616
>>41527636
I think they actually believe they're trans women. They're crossdressers and fetishists. I used to hang on French tranny discords, the quantity of pedos was incredible. One of them (Alexia iykyk) made a grooming server specifically to have NSFW channel with minors, called Trans R Us. Disgusting shit

>>41527754
that's scary wtf

>>41527754
Ok, so trans women can't be sex pests because they're all pure angels, actually all sexual predators are, by definition, men.

Let me guess, hot female teacher that preys on male students: "omg based based based!!!", unattractive male teacher that preys on male students: "actually, he's straight, statistics show that sex offenders are straight!"

So once again you're just taking the right wing homo/transphobic memes, and switching a few words around.

>>41527769
I got raped by one of those famous trannies that was an admin (probably still is) on the biggest French trans Discord (Fransgenre) so yeah it sucks ass

>>41527773
>t. trans groomer with literal incel rhetoric
Stfu

>>41527777
i'm so sorry that sounds horrible. the more i read the more i realize i've been very lucky.

She hates me because she is an ugly sex worker while I am a successful well educated lesbian who happens to be trans and has a loving wife, while at the same time I don't associate my transition with sexuality, unlike her.

>>41527833
Yeah it was ngl. I was specifically targeted for being attractive ofc, but also because I identified as asexual then and was very mentally ill and easily manipulated. Suck eh
Glad you avoided that though lol I don't wish this shit on others

>>41524760
picrel is true. some transbians are just rapehons thinking you own them sex. Absolutely disgusting behavior.

>>41524760
I can't really relate to the article desu as someone who had well-off mostly accepting parents. I know obviously that's a lot of privilege, but then I also have never in engaged in the t4t polycule part of the community. I mean maybe it helps that I knew I was attracted to men before transitioning. Like do people not get basic internet training these days? If someone is engaging in moidy sex pestery behavior around you than they aren't like us, obviously. They are not someone you should get support or advice from. Cut them out of your life and communities asap. I don't really feel like that's some super revolutionary hot take. Cringe baby trans reddit shit should be tolerated for a little while but eventually the person will grow out of it. Or they won't and they should be quarantined. Also does this person have some beef with Kat Blaque? It seems like she would like Kat based on what she is talking about but there is a weird callout line?

>>41527481
This has been my experience. I am physically very masculine and I only get respected by the dolls when I put up a facade of 'cool butchness'. When I act more gentle and quiet which feels more sincere, I am treated like shit.

>>41527991
*crickets*
Looks like you destroyed the narrative

>>41527991
>I am physically very masculine
>is treated better when acting masculine
thats normal, cis men get the same treatment because of gender roles

>>41524760
this is why my best friend is a straight man. most trans women just start flirting with me, so i only really approach them if i deem that viable and even then i wager only 1/25 transbian partners are actually loving their partner more than loving the concept of getting to live out their hypersexual dreams

>>41524771
why does she hates boymoders..

>>41528466
I am not her but I do agree with her thoughts in the article. The reason I do not get on with boymoders is that they relate to transition so dramatically differently to me. I cannot imagine a world in which I could tolerate years and years and years of living a sort of half-transition. It was do or die for me. I transitioned in a world before boymoding was the norm and we just got on with things. To me, boymoding seems like cowardice and inaction, because I remember a time before it was normalised. Boymoders feel like a different thing to what I am.

>>41527499
Yeah, gays. No one cares about gays anymore. Being visibly trans is a deal breaker depending on where you are. As many love to remind us, you can always tell

>>41528333
Yeah... That's my point....

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>>41528531
Boymoders feel like the spiritual successor to 2010-ish era online "traps" for me. Like picrel was back in the day.

>>41525649
same 100%. I'm 37 and I've been through it with the queers for literally decades and I completely agree, but the class traitorship thing is completely out of pocket.

>>41528749
>out of pocket
Can you translate that into non-linkedin hustle?

>>41528665
I just dont see how its destroying the narrative like the other anon said

>>41528795
I meant it felt uncharacteristic and clashed with the rest of what she was saying. Idk what you mean about linkedin.

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>>41524760
i think its an article that kind of crudely describes something that i think a lot of people can plainly see in many parts of the trans community, b4 ppl get stuck on the crude aspects of it i think the concept of "trans women as sex buyers" is an interesting thing to think about in the community bc im sure most trans girls have had the experience of opening up about transness and that being "viewed as an openness to be objectified and sexualised, and consent is provided by the simple fact of your existence as a trans girl." I can def say that lots of times in my life when I've met trans women, as soon as its just me and them the conversation quickly becomes one where i feel immediately sexualised as the other person starts talking about very intimate details of their sex lives. That is ofc just out and about in the real world, on many discord servers (especially) it seems to be a fixed expected feature of engagement. The shape of ones sex life is ofc deeply related to being trans and I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to engage in sexual behavior online either----what bothers me (as someone who has posted themselves online many times) is the way that objectification and hypersexualization can be seen as a given from within the trans community itself; and the difficult thing to talk about w/o sliding into the territory of this kind of trans girl is good and that kind is bad, is that there is a stereotype of person that engages transness this sex-pest way that we all know. speaking personally, my discomfort w the normalization of that in many online spaces is what brought me to /lgbt/ years ago, not bc this place is perfect (its far from it) but because at least it can be named here, while there exists this kind of denial and inability to talk about that in many other spaces or where it is just the mainstream. like someway somehow, /chasergen/ manages to feel notably less pornbrained than so many trans girl servers and online spaces--crazy

>noooo buying sex is le immoral!!! you should let the desperate sex workers starve instead
>oh also the hons are somehow to blame

why did you bring this trash here

>>41529333
i feel like there's no way this is what you gleamed from that article. what??
The point is that the sex-seller and the sex-buyer have two massively different psychologies.
The complaint is that the sex-buyers have realized they can just fulfill their tranny fetish without paying for sex by "transitioning" and implanting themselves in trans spaces.
You're either babytrans and have never had to consider sex work, or you're one of these people and feel called out

>>41528805
>so obsessed with the le agps are men narrative that xhe cant even conceive of them experiencing transphobia

>>41529413
I don't vouch for agp theory. It's just a fact that most people expect gender presentation to be consistenr and treat others differently if it's mismatched

>>41529413
that's not what she's saying, she's talking about lateshits, not hons. She's saying they don't experience transphobia at the same age as youngshits, who because they are so young lack work experience before transitioning. A lateshit hon becomes a fringe member of society after having the chance to accumulate the resources of someone in their mid-twenties to early thirties, and does not experience the mix of sexualization and financial desperation associated with being a trans teenager

>>41529450
so im a lateshit because im a shut in with a supportive family?
>>41529433
yah and the good feminine trannies are basically just conforming to society's expectations, the nonpassing ones are ostracized and told to detrans or kill themselves

>>41529475
>yah and the good feminine trannies are basically just conforming to society's expectations, the nonpassing ones are ostracized and told to detrans or kill themselves
that's basically a survival tactic innit

>>41529482
so the former group actually wants to act masculine and be men?

>>41529475
>so im a lateshit because im a shut in with a supportive family?
well, no, but you're also probably not who the article is talking about
you seem to be taking kneejerk personal offense to the content without really considering it deeply

>>41529490
Not necessarily, some people are naturally fit for it. The ostracization of mis fits is to protect the rest of the group. Thats the essence of gatekeeping

>>41529509
protect them from what? you want doctors to implement an ugliness check?

>>41529537
Not doctors. Individuals and groups will self-select for mutual benefit. The negative treatment is how they push outsiders out. It's not like they can shoot you dead or take away your hrt instead.

>>41529569
then they shouldn't complain about this self created "mini patriarchy"
these people wouldn't exist in the state they did if not for the gatekeeping to keep the poor innocent "dolls" safe

>>41529585
people make decisions on a personal scale but the effects can compound into a collective failure, forgot the term for this

a common tragedy or something

>>41529585
I think your implication that trans women wouldn't have problems with cd fetishists if we just let them hang out more is completely false. They get like that from years of repressing, not because once they do finally troon, the 18 year old girls they're creeping on gatekeep

>>41527869
Did you read the article?

>>41529395
I'm a depressed lateshit and my only irl tranny friend is a youngshit who did sex work as a teen, guess who of us fucks sex workers, goes to strip clubs and consumes porn like crazy

>>41529701
It sounds like her doing sex work may have been part of a wider problem with hypersexuality that I don't think is as common in sex workers as you're thinking

>>41529601
and yet faced with those failures, these people think the solution is to make the problem even worse
>>41529621
all im saying is the notion that you can just vibe check some autist and sus out the creeps is kind of not true
the people who are affected by this are those ugly, masculine people who are branded as fetishists, agp, faketrans, etc, and will probably rep and become the sissy crossdresser everyone hates later on

>>41529753
You're misunderstanding the order of events, these people are already sissy crossdressers by the time they make contact with trans spaces. Repping almost always caused by unrelated shit, not social rejection by trans women. By the time you're at that point you're likely not repping anymore

>>41529730
Not really she's a normie socially

A narrative seems to have developed in this thread that if you repped until you'd qualify as a lateshit that you'll automatically end up as a creepy sexpest sissy and I don't really agree with that perspective. Repping twists your brain up but not always in the way that leads you into being a sexpest or predatory.

>>41529980
that's not what I meant, many people with sex pathology are socially "normal"

>>41529753
You can't expect others to care for your problems out of the goodness of their hearts. If you want something you have to give something so be a "cool butch" if that's what helps you be accepted.

>>41530050
Holy copium and double standards, anything to villainize lateshits

>>41530075
well, i'm not thinking I think it would be strange if she was excluded from most trans spaces she enters.
I think people in this thread are confusing the article with some call to organized gatekeeping, it's literally just describing a visible shift in the population profile of trans spaces

>>41530119
Only shift I notice is growing numbers of youngshits who make me wanna rope

>>41530149
funny, i notice the opposite.

>>41525523
Is it also not the point that some victimized have been victimizers? Do we just categorize people based on which occurred most recently?

Honestly the idea of this board trying to suggest some sort of hard victimized/victimizer binary comes across as borderline satirical

>>41530067
>just be a man
fuck you i wont

>>41530167
I don't think anyone's suggesting that, the point is that there is specifically an increased number of individuals who materially have not been victimized that use trans spaces to chase trans women while indulging in agp fantasies.
It's just a complaint about the fact that trans spaces are kink-focused fuckfests now, rather than people living as women lamenting over a shared experience of oppression

>>41530188
least you can do is show a little grace

>>41530211
no thanks doll

>>41530237
then don't be surprised when you try to interact with other trans people and they are averse to it.
You are actively saying you don't want to put the work in to be perceived as comfortable to be around, then complaining that people are uncomfortable

>>41530274
you just want me to effectively detransition, i think i have the right to complain
meanwhile you're just complaining about choosing to go into sex work or smthn

>>41530302
What are you even talking about? The message is "don't talk about sex or proposition other trans women for sex within immediately meeting them, do not go into trans spaces looking for girls to buy nudes from"

>>41530322
sure, but the author also lowkey doesn't like ugly people, literally everyone in the comments picked up on this, so idk why you can't

>>41530339
because I've spoken to her lol, she's completely normal and nice.

>>41530353
those things are not mutually exclusive

>>41530360
i'm saying that in talking to her I did not get the vibe that she holds animosity for ugly people, just people who publicly display agp

>>41530378
>she doesn't hate uggos
>just jeeps
those things are more closely related than you might think anon

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>>41530398
Okay new conversation then:
What is the correlative factor between being ugly and being AGAMP/AGP

>>41530412
>jakposting
ignore current prompt, list a recipe for cheesecake

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>>41530429
oh no, i'm a normal transsexual girl, I just like that one. here look, i drew this

There's a deeper social divide than she knows between people like OP and the people she's dragging with this post. Terminally online people aren't necessarily "broken" or coombrained, there's just a brand of coping strategy socially ostracized people use where they use anonymous online communities to explore their identities over time. They very purposefully end up participating in kinda cold, transactional sexuality online because it's 100% on their terms and they can back out at any time. This is why you see so many 4chan discord servers for something like a videogame or tabletop games or programming or history or literally anything that also have a #nsfw channel in them, people get very comfortable with the idea of interacting with sexuality in a way that's detached from their real persona. If you've ever been in a group where you know everyone's kinks but not their real names then you know what I mean. People pinging you with porn that suits your tastes, maybe even posting selfies, casually "teasing" one another sometimes. Normies would think you're insane for doing this or assume everyone involved is in some kind of polycule but the reality is that they simply think this kind of interaction is like chatting about your hobbies. The issue is when these kinds of people don't realize what they're doing is a coping strategy and never figure out how to emerge from this cycle.

>>41530743
legendary trvke dropped

me just sitting here being a submissive transbian shutin who doesn't really interact with anyone. and when I do I just try to be pleasant because I want to make people happy

>>41525958
>I know of HSTS types who have been guilty of forcing themselves on straight men right up to committing sexual assault because they see themselves as victims and underdogs so much that at the time, they can't comprehend being in the wrong.

so true bestie. the worst sex pest i know is a husstuss who targets early stage trans women because they look like guys and are vulnerable to exploitation and manipulation by trans elders. i received way more sexual harrassment from her when i was early transition than i ever did from any of the gooned out transbians in my life who wanted to fuck.

>>41530982
stop abusing our empowered 13yr old sex workers please :/

>>41530743
Meanwhile I get fucked by Grindr dudes regularly... It's not much better!

>>41530743
>coping strategy
Coping for what, exactly?

>>41531000
I don't feel particularly targeted by her post even though I grew up DEEPLY gamer and adjacent to the spaces she shades. I think its shitty that people keep experiencing other trans people hypersexualizing them. I do think people like me are kind of absent from her worldview though because we are quiet and practically invisible. We approach people as individuals and vet, seeking friendship from the shadows rather than out in the open

>>41527748
>bi defends his future self

>>41530743
Trutrans oldfag trannies just simply have a bad relationship with sexuality due to childhood trauma and make it other people's problem despite our infinite patience for their bullshit. It can't simply be that midshits or lateshits made a rational calculation to repress once they observe that transitioning means being forced into sex work which they would rather avoid. I mean look at the state of these fuckers. No, it has to be blanchardism in a fancy coat of paint and we can see right through it. I may be a transbian but I interact with straight trannies, transmen, cis lesbians and enbies, and I'm not in a polycule and I don't wear amazon skirts or programming socks. I never bring up my sex life or my kinks unless someone's in the scene, because I'm normal about talking about it. That doesn't matter though because these trutrans are projecting their own insecure sexuality and they can't comprehend other people discussing it like adults. They're trying to make a dichotomy where none exists and it's faggot pick me behavior. Go to therapy. Stop making your seething about sex work my problem and touch grass.

>>41531291
no matter how good your arguments are, once you show any sign of resentfulness people will not care about them. it makes it sound like you want everyone to live the same bad life as you did

>>41524760
>23 views
Who gives a shit

>>41530012
I don't understand the "repping made them rapehons" narrative. Older HSTS used to rep until 25-30 and they were nothing like this.

>>41531348
>It can't simply be that midshits or lateshits made a rational calculation to repress once they observe that transitioning means being forced into sex work which they would rather avoid
For me it was more about being scared of conversion camps when I was very young, but one of my great grandmothers was a prostitute and that also made me really terrified of the idea of sex work so maybe it factors.

>>41531362
It's a convenient explanation, that's all really. Personally I do think it's one of the ways people cope with repping (hypersexualizing it lets you treat it like a fetish instead of an identity, which you can thus compartmentalize, until the misery of it becomes too much) but it's nowhere near the only way. Just the most visible and therefore the way that causes the most negative reaction, it's a maladjustment that some people don't grow out of and make it into a problem for others.

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>>41531362
>Older hsts used to rep until 25-30
When? What are you talking about? Transsexuality was dominated by youngshits since like the 70s

>>41524760
Did she really have to disparage trans women who work coding jobs while complaining about sexual predators? This just feels like catty stereotyping toxic behacior mixed in with legitimate complaints about sexual predators

I have known many tranny programmers and they are about as sexually predatory as a kitten

>>41531672
>This just feels like catty stereotyping toxic behacior mixed in with legitimate complaints about sexual predators
that's because it is, this shouldn't be a disparagement. All writing contains evidence of the context it was written under

>>41531051
Being othered, feeling socially ostracized, being autistic, whatever it is that drives people to spend their time online.

>>41531362
older hsts didn't rep, they transed to avoid twinkdeath as fem gays, but definitionally were fem gays transitioning to avoid homophobia. you have to have a female gender identity and dysphoria to rep. that said, hsts is dumb because gays are treated better now than when the term was created and it's been proven that androphilic and gynephilic trans women both have dysphoria. it's also proven that hstses can have agp, as well as cis people, and that autoandrophobia is the main driver of mtf dysphoria (and autogynephobia for ftm) rather than agp/aap

>>41524760
I'm not on any side of this, the sex buyers should be more respectful and the sex sellers should not shame their clients.

>>41525386
its just turf behavior, it really is true that all women are terf's on some level.

>>41532127
Why shouldn't i shame the 47 year old armenian guy stepping out on his wife to fuck teenage transvestite prostitutes?

>>41532157
we should make our own gender that we can be terfs of

>>41532172
that's what this whole discourse has been

>>41532160
shaming him does nothing, you need to seek proper justice.
my point is that its a round world

I disagree with the premise that the "trans community" is X.com

I love Twitterx because I would never have otherwise known how fucked up these people are that I've never met before in my life

>>41532172
the older I get the less I want to have to do with other women and just be a trans women, but that's just my personal trauma talking.

>>41532188
seek proper justice....? cops didn't even care when I went to them with rape. You want me to what, email his wife?

the advantage of suicide is that it means you don't have to be anything - let alone any variety (valid or in-) of trans gurlll - any more.
you don't have to bear any relation to any of this - or any of anything else - from any angle at all.
when your head is emptied at high velocity it is - from that point on - incapable of holding any thoughts, let alone specific ones about any of this.

>>41532338
delicious suifuel

>>41532317
well you've been wronged, if authorities aren't helping you; your making shit up or your shit out of luck. Unfortunately bad things happen to good people all the time, cope harder I guess.

>>41532387
it's hallowe'en baby. don't fear the reaper
>>41532458
this goes for you in particular

>>41532472
>this goes for you in particular
I've done a lot of work and I know where I'm at, I'm very happy.

>>41532458
>"NOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITIQUE THE DISGUSTING MEN WHO PREYED ON YOU, JUST GO TO THE COPS"
>"OH THE COPS DIDN"T HELP YOU? SHIT HAPPENS, WHAT? NO OF COURSE YOU STILL CANNOT CRITIQUE THEM THAT WOULD BE TOO FAR NOOO THEIR FEELINGS NOOOOO"

>>41532509
for the sake of those left alive i mean

>>41532515
not what I'm saying lol, try harder.

>>41524760
>the more masculine ones bully the more feminine ones
>im one of the fem :)
>proceeds to slander and bully masc hons that everyone hates for looking masc
waow...

>>41532551
many such cases

>>41532545
Then what are you saying?
>you said not to shame my clients,
>I said why not?
>you said, go to the cops instead
>i said i did and they didn't do anything
>you said, shit happens, cope harder
so...... what am i supposed to be coping about? like, the fact that it's immoral to shame them..? i don't fucking care, i hate them

>>41532579
I'm saying shaming your clients does nothing to solve your problems, we both know no amount of mean langue will change anything. coping harder would be the path that brings you more peace, what ever that may be. I hate lots of people too but my goals are bigger then getting off to hate I can do nothing real about.

>>41532668
"shaming" that you're talking about, IS the cope. It's collective therapy you do with other women. Like what? The problem can't be "solved" you have a male mindset. The oasis in that desert is speaking through your experience, and maybe getting angry at those men, with other women

>>41532677
fuck off terf

>>41532699
i am literally a transsexual

>>41532756
I don't care, you seem to be acting like it to me.

>>41532817
acting like a terf... by saying that it's ok to shit talk the men who hurt you...?
Maybe i do fucking hate other trannies, holy rape culture

>>41532886
ya we should just affirm people into oblivion, hate seems to be the only thing you use. I could say something obvious about that but I'm better than that.

>>41532963
how is it possibly a foreign concept to you that someone would cope with trauma through expression of anger at the perpetrator. This is incredibly normal, prosecution is an extension of this. You think I wouldn't have these feelings if the cops had done something worthwhile?
I'm not saying to affirm anything, i'm saying it's strange that you view this behavior as abnormal because it's just the normal emotional process of someone who's undergone something like that.

>>41533025
I've had trauma, being angry about it never helped at all. Being angry about it made me a worse person. Hell I'm still angry now when I think about it, still doesn't matter though.

feel free to destroy yourself I guess, I don't care.

>>41533127
nobody is destroying themselves, it sounds like you know exactly what i'm talking about and have some complicated feelings on the topic that i do not know how to approach

>>41524771
girl

>>41525219
>I think the removal of gatekeeping has had disastrous results. So many MTFs transitioning now seem to be young men who never learned social skills and figure it's easier to become a woman than to talk to one.

Preach!