My rational brain understands and accepts transitioning as a concept. Errors in our DNA can fuck up everything in our minds and body, so I get that there can be mismatches between the gender that's between your ears and your legs. I've dated a few trans women in my depressingly long history of relationships and had mostly positive experiences, and now that I understand how debilitating dysphoria is because of that, I'm a much stronger supporter for trans rights than I ever was.The only problem is that while my rational mind extends this to trans men, my irrational mind does not.I fully believe that they deserve to transition and exist, but despite my best efforts, I just feel some uncanny aversion to them. I'm assuming that this is from some kind of attraction based misogyny, because I feel something similar but much less intense when I interact with lesbians (cis or trans)Since I've managed to identify that... How do I fix it?This problem could potentially pose an issue in my personal life because I believe my girlfriend (boyfriend?) may be a repping ftm. And while I do have strong feelings for her, I worry that my hangups about ftms could affect our relationship or how she ends up deciding to identify.T. cis bi guy btw
>>41539750Everyone seems to feel this. I'm FtM, and I've noticed multiple instances where people have mocked me but have respected transgender women. I don't think your thoughts are especially concerning, because rationally you know that they're wrong; that's better than 90% of people already
I mean what do you dislike them for
>>41539750I'm MtF, and I just think of it like they feel exactly the same way as me but the opposite. I feel more unnerved by other MtFs than by FtMs, so I guess it's the opposite problem.I think just exposure helps? I am good friend with a trans man and have been for years, and he has been transitioning for longer than me. Maybe the longer you're exposed to them the less you're unnerved by them. That would explain my own feelings, too, because I've spent hardly any time around any trans women IRL.
its probably bc u dont wanna fuck them
>>41540759an inconvenient truth for many such cases...
>>41540682Sorry it's this universal, I hope things are going ok for you otherwise.Have you noticed it coming more from any particular group?
>>41540682I notice this a lot too and tbhon growing up I always respected trans woman heavily but was disgusted by ftm and nonbinary afab and the rest of the lgbt until I made friends that are trans men in school >>41540759Men think everything they don't wanna fuck is worthless and repulsive
I think of them like natures lil clowns
>>41540682Seconding. I really don’t care about subconscious aversions.
>>41540722That's part of the issue, I'm not sure. I don't really like it when the "ftmboys" do feminine things and get mad that people don't respect them as men, but I know that's not a problem with all of them. They just make me uncomfortable.
>>41540682banter is how men communicate, if you can't handle bullying from other men you're signing up for the wrong team amigo
>>41540852NTA but there's a difference between actual bigotry and just banter and offensive jokes. Like, there are guys I know who make real racist jokes that are fine amongst each other (for example, one that stuck out in my mind was this white guy telling a black guy "Get back on the plantation, bitch" which sounds bad out of context but they were both just in the middle of fast paced bantering and they'd both tell you that). But it would be another thing if they shunned you and actually harassed you and saw you as lesser because of that trait.
>>41540759I don't want to fuck most cis guys and a lot of cis women and they don't give me this feeling.
>>41539750That's better than like 90% of cisgenders I don't think you need to try too hard you're already doing enough
>>41540732I will do my best to touch grass and talk to people anon, thank you.
>>41540772Mostly men who are attracted to women. They view my transition as being a bad thing, because they aren't attracted to men >>41540852It wasn't in good humour, I've had people stop being friends with me because they're disgusted by me and "don't feel comfortable talking to me" after finding out that I am a transsexual
>>41539750FtMs make zero effort to actually pass and integrate as men, they get pussy privilege regardless and therefore have hugboxes of women who will claim they’re real men but they know they just aren’t. Cis women will date FtMs basically for security, they know they can easily manipulate pooners and there isn’t much risk of doing so since pooners are all skinnyfat “man”lets. It’s basically the ideal relationship for a foid, a sad pushover faggot simp. If pooners actually had cocks then the cis male species would be over
>>41540943The bare minimum is my specialty :)
>>41540828So you don't like trans men because some ftfemboys online...
>>41539750>How do I stop disliking FTMs Make friends with a couple of cool ones. Unironically
>>41539750Get to know me in person, I'm fun.If you can't and I assume you can't because we likely don't live close, realize many trans men are going through puberty and are as likeable as teenage boys during that time. Some are great regardless, some need time to settle. Maybe don't expect too much but leave enough room to be surprised. And then just spend time around some. Hope for the best. If they suck find new group to hang out with. And if it all fails, oh well, you tried. Allies are great but don't force it if it doesn't happen after some time. It's not like we'll wither.
>>41539750wow it's like opposite day. most people feel this way strictly about MtFs but are significantly more chill with FtM. You're like a unicorn. almost makes me think MtF hands typed this. >>41540682it's literally the opposite wtf are you all talking about
>>41541933where are you finding these cool ftms op? i've never met a ftm who seemed like it had a soul
yeah, I've seen enough. this is a thread full of MtFs writing fanfiction lmao
>>41542526NTA but I met a cool ftm at college who passed well and had been taking T and high school, but that's probably really rare
>>41541325>>41542622
The concept of men with vaginas is just gross
>>41539750Just meet up with a trans guy and hang out with him. As the other anon said, exposure therapy will help.
I really can't blame you, us vagina bois are quite disgusting and probably were molested as kids or something and that's the reason we are the way that we are. Just literally insane women, but fuck it we ball. (no balls).
>>41542845You wouldn't be gross if you stopped self hating. Men with vaginas are hot if they take care of their appearance and dpn't do the whole self-deprecating schtick.
>>41543116anon that's not a ftm
>>41543135Oh, I see, my bad.My point about men with vaginas stands, though. No amount of psy-op will change my mind.
>>41540791Man here, this is my experience of women too, maybe people just fuckign suck
>>41542476right???? i laughed out loud reading the replies like yeah i fucking wish!!!
>>41539750I feel the same way, personally every time I've seen a ftm they looked unhygienic/dirty and that puts me off a lot combined with the way they look like fucked up women-things? If I saw a gross man I wouldn't give a shit but just seeing that uncanny in between kind of disgusts me. I'm trying hard to stop these thoughts, I try to look at ftms online to get that generalization out but I haven't seen any that look different.
>>41542476who gives a shit if mtf hands typed it im not mtf and theyre right pls stop coping ahaha
