>>41549758teens can consent to sex in most places just not with people over 18
we live in a sick world.
>>41549758i never said that
Ideological suicide bombers
>>41549768we live in a sick world
yes kids can consent to medical procedures, also I think OP should be euthanized
People over the age of 10 can legally consent to sex in my country assuming that the other person is also over the age of 10 and within a two year age range of them which I think is acceptable rational policy. I also think its fine for people younger than the age of majority to consent to medical treatments assuming they are adequately informed and are in the care of relevant medical professionals that generally adhere to policy and medical best practice.
op is a low iq subhuman cockroach waste of oxygen
>>41549805But he isn't wrong?
>>41549797Post evidence of children - without parents or guardians or legal representation - giving legally binding consent for anything. Oh you won't because your entire world is makebelieve and outside of your bubble we all see you as potential threats to society.
>>41549855hrt requires parental consent for those under 18, feels irrelevant
>>41549859So no, children do not give their consent.
>>41549778i look like this and say this
this animation always brings me comfort
Medical transition as a child isn't necessary if you're truetrans. Truetrans always have stunted puberties because they have natural blockers. Going through male puberty is no impediment to passing for them.
>>41549758I dont really care if some dumb ass fuck is stupid enough to be tricked i dont want those genes in my community, survival of the fittest.
>>41549855Just posted a bait thread on pol. Kill yourself, worthless moid
>>41549855you don't need consent lmao we already cut apart their penises just for fun anyway
Yes, kids can receive life-saving medical treatment retard
>>41550308Gender dysphoria is not life-threatening. That's a lie used to guilt parents into allowing their children to prevent their own natural and healthy physical and mental development.
>>41550325Kys subhuman
>>41550325nah this gotta be bait
>>41550338>>41550362Early transition creates people who look underdeveloped. Who exactly would be interested in adults who permanently look like adolescent boys?
>>41549758kids can consent
>>41550375They're little AGPs. HSTS hope to masculinize at puberty.
>>41549855>Oh you won't because your entire world is makebelieveGillick's competence doesnt exist because... it just doesn't, okay?
>>41550308>life saving ROFL, I wonder when BBLs, hair transplants, leg lengthening will all be considered that
>>41550375I provide trans kids with hormones and there's nothing you can do about it ;3
>>41550398the term you’re looking for is Minor Attracted Persons, or MAPs for short
>>41550410I prefer to think of them as future practice for lethal law enforcement tactics. <3
>>41550408Don't you see? Early onset AGPs should have the right to prevent their normal and healthy physical development! Or they'll cry and threaten to hold their breath until they pass out!!!
>>41550421Seethe harder, blumpfanzee. You lost. MAP pride worldwide.
>>41550408If you prove that hundreds of thousands of kids every year die because they can't get a BBL (like they do with hormones) then you could make a case for that
>>41550447Children don't die from not getting cross-sex HRT.
>>41550456You literally elected a pedophile. All nazis must hang
>>41550456They do
>>41549859It's actually wild that Americans aren't allowed bodily autonomy before age 18, like, not even relating to gender affirming care there are several good reasons to allow teenagers autonomy in medical matters.
>>41550466Bruh. I'm on your side. I'm against minors transitioning. It doesn't make AGPs pass, and HSTS end up passing even if they don't start until adulthood. It also neatly solves the sports and restroom issues in schools.
>>41550495kys nazi
>>41550475Nope. They go on to develop normally for their birth sex.
>>41549758kind of, probably some level of screening should be done though but yeah, that faggot kid is not gonna be that great of a man anyway so who cares if she grows tits
>>41550509Unnecessary lifelong medicalization is a bad thing. They should try to make it as an adult member of their birth sex first.
You know this discussion is completely irrelevant, right? Any child living anywhere in the world can easily order hormones off the internet for like $50 a year, and since diy hrt became mainstream in basically every online lgbt community every trans child knows they can order them and will if their rights to legal treatment get taken awaySo it doesn't really matter if you convince every government to ban hrt for minors, since all these minors will then switch to grey market hormones and the outcome will be exactly the same as if it was legal, except this way you give more money to people brewing estrogen in their bathtub instead of actual pharmacists
>>41549758>one word can have two meanings>holy fucking shit
>>41550524You should genuinely kill yourself instead of arguing with a wall on a tranny board. I bet your parents are ashamed of having you
>>41550553And it still won't make the little jeeps pass. It will however continue to make troons look like groomers to the public.
>>41550553Groomah caught in the woyld!! Looks like we caught this 'un royt when 'eez about to staht ree-proh-doosing.
>>41550570That's besides the point. The point is you can't do stop any trans kids from getting on hormones anymore, even if you're the most powerful politician in the world. And that's beautiful
kill polchuds
>>41550600What's your goal? Because you seem to be celebrating enabling children to make themselves into adults who are permanent pedobait.
>>41550524Hence screening, it's not like you can't go back anyway right, biological sex can't be changed yadda yadda>>41550537Yeah so puberty blockers for everyone I guess?Obviously the situation is not ideal, I didn't consent to being born in the first place yet here I am. Assessing children by what does the least harm to them long-term is the best choice, trying to study the individuals we already have and estimate outcomes based on that. If someone's mental health is clearly worsened by whatever hormones, it should probably be looked at.
arguing with troons is the same as arguing with any other subspecies of delusional incel, they are literally blind to reality and genuinely believe everyone else is wrong. they don't actually care about children or anyone except themselves, so these "think of the kids" arguments are about as effective as a leash on a bear. all you can do is keep reminding them of what they really are and hope they either come to their senses and take off the wig or euthanize themselves like sick dogs.
>>41550689Nice argument girl, you tell me what do you suggest to a struggling teen that will magically cure all the dysphoria. If you got an easy solution that always works I think you will be lauded as the genius who cured the tranny epidemic.
>>41550672They can absolutely miss crucial development windows if they take blockers or cross sex hormones. It also retards their social and psychological development while their peers are becoming adults and they're not. Early transition is harmful. The ones who demand it aren't the innately feminine ones but the autogynephiles. The innately feminine ones want to masculinize and be able to function as men.
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>>41550623I'm celebrating you permanently losing your ability to groom kids
>>41550732Dysphoria is just autogynephilia. It can be prevented from progressing if caught early.
>>41550748I want the kids to be left alone to develop naturally and healthily, not groomed into mutilating themselves with grey market hormones.
>>41550754Says the ugly cracked out looking dude who lives in a cramped as fuck vehicle and posts awful selfies from public bathrooms?ok hon
>>41550740>The innately feminine ones want to masculinize and be able to function as men.Do they? I don't recall seeing that many MtF early transitioners who regret it and wish they were more masculine. In fact none, obviously doesn't mean they don't exist but anyway.>>41550754Yeah whatever you want to call it, gender dysphoria, transgenderism, etc., not important. If you can figure out a cure it's a pretty good development.>>41550757Now this is an interesting opinion, how does one prevent it from progressing if discovered?
>>41550784I want the kids to not fucking kill themselves but uhhh thats just me I guess
>>41550784You can call it whatever you want, fortunately you can't do anything about it anymore
>>41550801>Do they? I don't recall seeing that many MtF early transitioners who regret it and wish they were more masculine. In fact none, obviously doesn't mean they don't exist but anyway.Because you've only met AGPs pretending to be HSTS. HSTS don't get gender dysphoria in the same way. AGPs are distressed by having too much male development and being treated like normal males. HSTS are distressed by having too little male development and not being treated like normal males.>Now this is an interesting opinion, how does one prevent it from progressing if discovered?Establish a strong connection to male life. Get off the Internet and stop ruminating on gender stuff. Do stuff with bros instead of fantasizing about being a ho. Don't try to repress it completely but set strict limits on it e.g. cross-dressing in private once every two weeks to get it out of your system.>>41550806"I'll kill myself if I don't get HRT!" was a lie used to get moved up the waiting lists all the way back in the 1970s. Clinicians wised up and started refusing treatment if there was a recent suicide threat or attempt. There was no sudden increase in suicides.
>>41550867The mentally ill homeless addict tries to prove trans isn't mental illness by checking off every stereotype on the list. Even your hairline is backing away from that face brotherman.
>>41550681>>41550702Then why are you arguing. Get a job retards
>>41550886>there was no sudden increase in suicidescan you prove this at all?
>>41550943Not how it works. You need to prove that when clinicians began refusing treatment to people with recent suicide threats or attempts, suicide rates among troons increased.
>>41550962i genuinely want to see your proof, it interests me, can you get out of debate mode and stop being a rhetoricfag for five seconds?
Suicide rate alone is not really that valuable of a metric, it needs to be considered in terms of QOL overall.
>>41550997Think about it.The clinician says that you need to have no suicide threats or attempts in the last twelve months in order to be prescribed HRT.What you're not going to do is make any suicide threats or attempts, because you want to be prescribed HRT.
>>41551012Ah yes: QOL of not being able to indulge a paraphilia 24/7.
>>41549758Duh, I knew what my gender was/is... If y'all don't know that's honestly tragic. You'd have to be raised in a cult to be confused.
>>41550585>GROOOMERR!!!>opposes every single law protecting kid's ability to report being sexually abused by their parents because "tranny grooma and bad"hmm... I think i am nooticing
all of the baiters on here think that parents have a god given right to groom their kids and anything imposing on that is devilic and le actual groomingNo amount of cope and seethe will change that it's your opinion and it's genuinely disgustingKill yourselves child fuckers
>>41549758Gee, what an intentionally inflammatory thread title; I'm sure it in no way reflects on the way you intend to construct your arguments and you will be completely genuine and understanding in the way you comport yourself.
Ignore the post above, it was written by a possible pedophile
>>41551148Gee, what an interesting way to respond to my previous post; I don't generally think calling people pedophiles with zero evidence and telling other people to ignore them is generally considered a good argument.
>>41551148>immidiate projectionat least a terabyte
>>41549758the hand-wringing over this would be funny if hangups on trans youth care weren't causing depression that leads to suicideanyone who has sense and a heart should support a child's right to transition, so long as they have clearance from their doctor, psychologist, and the agreement of their parentsif they have the first two and not the support of their parents, we should still support their right to transitionevery time y'all screech about this you reveal that the world is still drowning in transphobiatrans youth care is no different than any trans care: it is a form of medical careit is pure cruelty and prejudice to force someone to wait for potentially years to treat a medical condition using a treatment with an extraordinary success rate, one of the highest in the medical worldI will never understand why this is complicated even for many trans allies, but less 80+% of the world at large
>>41551204>LET US STERILIZE YOUR CHILDREN OR WE WILL TELL THEM TO KILL THEMSELVESThis is holding us hostage. This is why trans is being removed from LGB and then removed from society, friend-o. Keep talking like this please. You are helping a noble cause.
>>41551204Autoheterosexuality/autogynephilia is not a medical condition.
>>41551220people like you make me incredibly fucking sadwhatever you want with all your heart that others tell you you can't have?I hope you find a way to it, and I hope you heal from whatever makes you this way
>>41551220>>LET US STERILIZE YOUR CHILDREN OR WE WILL TELL THEM TO KILL THEMSELVES>This is holding us hostage. This is why trans is being removed from LGB and then removed from society, friend-o. Keep talking like this please. You are helping a noble cause.How much cognitive dissonance is needed to believe this while taking away kids' mental health resources and protections allowing them to report being abused?
AGPs have completely hijacked the transsexual narrative. Originally trans women were males who couldn't stop being feminine even while trying their hardest to be masculine. AGPs are males who desperately want to be feminine and are telling young boys that wanting to express femininity in their presentation means they're trans.
>>41551473We're not the ones trying to ban any form of therapy that isn't "You gotta troon out right now or you'll regret it forever!"
>>41551489>ban any form of therapy that isn't "You gotta troon out right now or you'll regret it forever!"is this a covert way of saying that you are angered by the fact that therapists are no longer allowed to gaslight or guilttrip their patients into not trooning "for their parents"?>unironically saw a nigga mad over that >"because uh uh parents birthed you they should have decision over everything you do with yourself" the patient was an ADULT IN THEIR MID 20s
>>41549758Transition isn't sex related just because you jerk off to tranny porn.
>>41551654Transition is absolutely sex related. HSTS transition to find husbands. AGPs transition to be fuckable to themselves.
>>41549758If they are clinically evaluated then yes. Informed consent for kids kinda sucks nbhon
>>41551489oh right, because gay conversion therapy, shock therapy, or even just anti-depressant/psychotics without HRT has proven to be effective alone and backed by the scientific community.You’re doing a poor job masking your obvious transphobic/poltard thoughts.The only treatment that has shown to reduce suicidality, and improve quality of life has been to permit gender affirming care, and that extends to children when they are properly evaluated by both a psychologist and a doctor alongside parental consent. But as previous posters have mentioned, trans kids who don’t have parental support, but are obviously still suffering gender dysphoria for years, will seek out DIY methods instead of the systemic method because transphobes are fear mongering about “protect the kids” without genuinely understanding trans people, or outright ignoring any scientific studies that runs counter transphobic views.
>>41551671>HSTS transition to find husbands.This is incidental.
>>41551682Gender dysphoria is iatrogenic. People develop it after learning about it. CDs become TGs after learning about TS. Kids are being exposed to trans content at younger ages than ever before and told that if they're trans then they must transition ASAP. No wonder they become distressed.
>>41551757>iatrogenicThis the identical bullshit like ROGD. It continues to dismiss cases like John Money, or that even if divorced from society or mentions about LGBT, it doesn’t remove the shared experience of feeling discomfort/horror at the body developing into a gender they don’t identify with, only that they don’t have the words to explain it, and are convinced there’s nothing they can do to alleviate their distress outside of suicide or fake being content living a body they are some in.You also openly ignore the WPATH treatment to dysphoria and are acting as if an authority on what’s best for trans people, without any studies. You are by definition, harmful to everyone involved in the matter.
>>41552683>transphobe posts on xitter he identifies as a women before continuing to make a mockery of marginalized group, and then comedically “stops identifying” at his convenience.>plz take bad faith actors seriouslylmao
>>41550058why not just fuck this cis girl friend?
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>>41549758yeschanging sex/gender shouldn't be sexual in any way, you're the only one making it sound predatory
>>41553360>mass shootings are almost entirely done by right-wing, white men>therefore all white men are mass shooting psychos>Men as a demographic, are 90%+ responsible for sexual harassment and rapes>therefore all men are rapistswowwiee, stereotyping is a lot of fun
>LAST 8 MASS SHOOTINGS NOT INVOLVING BLACKS 7 HAVE BEEN TRANS
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>>41553520really learned to shut the fuck up didn’t you?
The age of consent is not 14 because of power dynamics and an underdeveloped frontal lobe not because they’re too retarded. Prepubescent kids are too young to make said decisions but at 15 I knew very well that I had a few wires crossed when I not only liked other dudes but I didn’t feel comfortable being a guy despite being at the time a ripped Scots Irish ubermensch who could press 300. If a 16 year old wants to get hrt then let them. We let them work, drive, in some states they can have guns, and some European countries even let them drink and vote. Anyone claiming hrt and the age of consent should be matched is retarded because there’s no way you can have a 25 and a 16 year old have a healthy relationship but you can have a 16 year old live a normal teenaged life and be able to get titty skittles
>>41549855Every single day in america girls go and get hormonal birth control from doctors without any parental consent whatsoever. In fact, it's even confidential. You're wrong.
>>41549758wait 'til ya'll hear about blockers
>>41553825>cis white male: Greg A Bush, age 51 shooter visited a Krogers and murder two in Jeffersontown KYhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Jeffersontown_shooting>cis white male: Robert Bowers killed 11 injured 6 at a Pittsburgh Synagoguehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting>cis white male: Chris Paulson, a white nationalist openly threatened assassination towards high profile politicians, media figures and the like. Arrested on drugs and gun crimes sentenced 13 yearshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul_Hasson>cis white male: John Earnest, fatally shot 1 and injured 3 at a Jewish Synagogue in Powayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting
>>41553825>dumbass chud poster shuts up again
