Is 19 too old? What's the average age that people troon out? Is it over for me?
19 is not too old if you're a hypogonadal male.
>>41552200:(
>>41552224Sorry. Male puberty is basically done by age 17.Claims of "You can get hip growth until age 25!" is misleading. Everybody gets very gradual bony hip growth through adulthood. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21608025/You would likely get fat redistribution from HRT (or, more precisely, new fat would be deposited in a gynoid pattern), but not significant bony changes.
>>4155213019 would’ve been chill. i started halfway through 21 but a lot of my younger friends have really similar measurements. i don’t think 17-22 really changes much physically it’s just a question of at what age you start to feel like a normal healthy adult woman after years of puberty
>>41552130could be worse>t. trooned at 22
>>41552130Have your testicles removed asap or book SRS. Start HRT tomorrow. The rest is up to you.
>>41552130depends on how masculine you are already
>>41552130no matter when you start, its better than starting tomorrow.t. trooned at 26
>>41552267So is there any point doing it? I'm 20 and I'm debating between repping, or HRTrepping, or coming out to people and hoping they'll give me some sort of relief from the pain.
>>41552447personally i think yes. i started at 21 when for the past 3 years before that point id thought it was too late and its useless. now my measurements are actually quite nice and identical to a lot of my friends who started at 17, and im much less depressed than i used to be even if i dont pass yet. YMMV
>>41552447The point of transitioning is to reap a net improvement in your life. Take a long hard look at yourself and try to answer honestly whether each step involved in transitioning would likely achieve that.
>>41552447i started at 27 but ive been called a luckshit so idk
>>41552459So what's the play here? I don't know if I'm too bulky to ever pass. Should I just inject HRT in secret and hope one day I become a woman? Should I tell people I'm going to take HRT without transitioning in the hopes of becoming a woman? >>41552478I have no clue. Transitioning sounds like a terrifying nightmare compared to what I actually want, which is to wake up as a girl. Maybe I should just hide it and try and never think about how I look.
>>41552459That's because male puberty is finished at 17.
>>41552130I trooned at 19, halfway to 20, and I pass now and just live my life as a woman. My measurements are kind of terrible, but i still made it, so trooning at 19 is not too old. Just save as much as you can for surgeries.
>>41552513Well, you could take some bony measurements and compare them to anthropometric data for males and females of your height and see what kind of skeletal foundation you're working with.
>>41552130depends on genetics, though most bones are fused by 17 so keep that in mind. Passing once in the midshit range of 17-20(?) is largely just how much your face decides to masculinise in that time and not having ogre proportions alreadyaverage age is decreasing with time
>>41552534Where can I find them?
>>41552130Just do it, stop thinking about nonsense
>>41552548https://anthro.cs.uni-freiburg.de/https://grayoasis.com/ANSUR/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_249.pdf
>>41552554I'll look at that, thanks. If my bones are too big am I just fucked?
>>41552522yeah but its silly to act like transitioning after 17 just doesnt do anything lol. i know everyone thinks this but its factually false and most passoids began after 17 anyways
>>41552619You missed the point. The point is that transitioning at 20 instead of 17 isn't the death sentence many think. If you would have passed starting at 17 then you'll pass starting at 20.
>>41552130way way way too old, im 19 and ive stopped taking hrt. its useless
>>41552637yeah i agree with this. i think if you can cross dress and wear a wig before hrt and actually look female and not a hon thats realistically what you’ll get out of hrt. most of what it does is under the surface anyways for the first couple years
>>41552267no it's really not misleading, i started hrt at 18 with 32 inch hips and they grew to 41 inches by the time i was 22 if you're meant to be trans then your body does good with the hormone desu
>>41552748Anyone making claims to the contrary is likely someone who transitioned at 17ish trying to upset people who started a few years later in order to feel better about their own transition.
>>41552789So you got fat. Well done.
>>41552803i actually lost 20 pounds lmao
>>41552608It would make things difficult. Your presentation options would narrow significantly.
Taking HRT postpartum? Cuz then it's never been more over.True trans take HRT inside the womb.
>>41554665You joke, but actually, prenatal testosterone dooms most MTFs even if they start HRT early, because it bakes in a lot of masculinization. It doesn't just affect the digit ratio. It affects the face, the pelvis, and other things too.
>Is the prime of my life too old to ruin my life and commit suicide?
>>41552730this has to be bait lol
>>41554710if you experience dysphoria the prime of your life was age 10 before puberty
>>41556835trueee the happiest ive ever been was probably when i was in 4th grade (and even then i wasnt doing great)
>>41556835>>41556891Weird. I was doing mostly fine until I realized that my body was never going to masculinize enough.
>>41552130I started at 29, and I obliterated my life so I'm less happy now. It did not lead to a net improvement in my life like that other anon wrote. But I am glad to know what I look like and how it is to live as a woman. Like at least I'll never have those nagging thoughts in the back of my head anymore. There is a comfort to that.
>>41556976What's your plan now? Detransition?
>>415568915th grade after puberty was the first year i remember suicidally ideating for hours and staring off into space and becoming edgier and edgier
>>41556996I'm going to keep going as a trans woman and try to rebuild my life.
>>415570145th grade was when my puberty was just getting started and i remember being bored in class and drawing a graph that showed time vs desire to kill myself (very autistic ik) and not only was it an upward trend but at the top there was a dotted line that marked when i would supposedly finally commitif i redrew that graph two years later it would go far above that line :<
>>41556835This.In my life everything since then has been a downhill straight to hell.
>>41556976I'm in the same situation, I'm starting to not care about age of transition anymore. its only been a few months and I've started to develop myself as a person. I use to treat myself like a tool and there's been a lot healing from repression.
Obviously it would be better if you lived in the reality where you trooned out at 11 or whatever young age but you don't live in that reality. You live in the reality where you get to choose between trooning at 19 or trooning at 25... 30... 40... 50... 65... whatever other age. Or you could repress, which would either leave you roping or crashing out and trooning out at one of these later ages anyway. Your best choice is to start HRT asap.
>>41557123Yeah, best time to plant a tree and all that.I was really good at repping for a while. I think it was because I found things to distract myself with. Some good things (career, marriage). Some not so good things (alcohol). But it became so much more difficult over time and I realized that I would never really be able to outrun the thing and I didn't want it to be a deathbed regret someday.
>>41557156most of us are on hrt when we acknowledge these facts
>>41552447just hrtrep, it eases your misery and you dont have to undergo the social humiliation ritual of being a non-passing tranny
>>41552130The first time I looked into transitioning people told me to just wait until I was 30 because it would go awayThey're still doing that shit today in the same logic by saying there's a certain age that it's too old to transitionYou're probably one of those people since you're starting the thread saying 19 is too old
>>41557844Its been both for decades. Rope if you didnt start at 14 but it will go away as you age into a man.
>>41552130I hate zoomers like you wouldn't believe
>>41552447hrtrep for sure the more you masculinize the more you’re going to regret not doing it and once you hit 24 the days will get shorter and life will feel like it’s slipping through your fingers
omg i used to be one of you idiots convinced hrt wouldnt do anything and if id believed that i wouldnt be anywhere near where i am today. ive healed like u cant believe even if i dont pass yet and its barely been a year
There's some important shit you should be doing in your life right now and yeah, it's a bit too old to troon out. If I were you I'd go to college, join a Young Republicans or TPUSA chapter, and start having gay sex with old closet cases, you can easily segue into a career in the GOP. Alternatively you could go into Seminary
>>4155213020 is average
>>41552130far too old, if you don't start by like 14 max it's over
>>41559176wait truke. just rep and become a republican and kill us all 20 years later like j edgar hoover
>12-18: You change puberty and the effects will really give you femininity>18-24: While puberty is done mostly your body still undergoes changes, still a good time to troon>25+ : Most body changes are done. And you are slowly ageing in a masculine way. Trooning will still change much and better to do it than to regret
I kinda wish we still had Nazi Germany around today because you just know they'd be, like, doing experiments with putting newborns on HRT to see what happens. We would have a lot more data about all that unethical sort of stuff.
>>41559363t. started at early 18 and gave up after a year and a half and went back to enbycoping because it barely did anything.before anyone says im just dooming and it cant be that bad i will prove my lack of progress if necessary.
>>41552130I started at 30. Did I get major changes like a youngshit? No. But it improved my quality of life so I didn’t want to be a bedrotting neet. Getting ffs, rib surgery, BA, is helping sand down some of the rough edges enough to where I can like the results even if it’s not exactly where I want to be. Looking into clavicle reduction surgery too. So not every single bone measurement is locked in stone, This kinda requires living in a developed country/US blue states. BUT it requires money or insurance so like, start saving now and plan for jobs that maximize those chances. BUT ALSO keep in mind that prevention by starting HRT earlier is still helpful at prevention. And also I missed out on my entire 20s from dissociation. So, that’s what you have to look forward to if you rep til at least 30 lmao.>>41559430The first Nazi book burnings were the tranny institute medical data, so probably not. The unethical experiments Mengele actually had some utility, enough that the US used it for medical research
>>41559471>The first Nazi book burnings were the tranny institute medical data,I mean this is true but I think there's a cycle to these "social" issues, if you've ever met the Germans you know that eventually the sexuality stuff was coming back no matter what. Nobody has ever won a "permanent" victory agaisnt "degeneracy" lol. But imagine if some of that precedent for legitimizing medical experimentation on human beings had held, Nazi Germany in 2025 could have been crazy.
>>41552130Nope.. the reality is being a youngshit is only ideal if you were a twink to begin with.. The majority of trannies were way too masculine to begin with and it was always over. If you were a twink growing up you still have a shot... if your a fullblown man its overI trooned at 22 and fully pass 4 years later..
>>41559107your not trans if you diden't hate yourself enough to give being a man a shot
>>41559369i am going on HRT, but if it doesn't work out this is what I will do
>>41559560>aim to be J Edgar Hoover>die like Roy Cohn
>>41559570being a hon wouldn't be so damn bad if the city zoomers who's parents got them HRT in the womb would stop rubbing it in, so if I go on a murderous rampage I solidly blame them
>>41559577er, manmoder I guess
>>41559577Soon we will be eradicated before birth like down syndrome in Iceland. It will all end with us.
>>41559602good fucking riddance, this community is stupid
>>41552130been hrtrepping for 2 years, started when i was 19 too. completely pointless even that. just rep.
you're an oldshit for your generation but mid to ok in comparison to this board.
>>41556819i wasnt joking about anything i said
>>415521300 is too old, never troon.
>>41552130Average age is something like 27. 19 is a good age if you can't be an obscenely lucky youngshit.
>>41552130depends on your genetics. there is no solid age. it's vaguely somewhere before 30, usually before 25, but you can have luckshit genetics
i got hrt at 15 and deadass don't pass luckshits >>> youngshits. just give it your best shot. age is meaningless...
what i have gathered is that it doesnt even matter. starting soon helps but there is hope
>>41564006yeah
No one in this thread can answer that. Your body is one of a kind and transition relies on a lot of things no one can really accurately understand (genetics mainly). A transition starting at 19 is going to be better than one at 20, at 21, 25, 30 so on so forth. You are going to be living for a while either way; would you rather take the risk of not looking perfect, or do you trust yourself enough to shove all the feelings down and see how well that goes?
