>>41552364
yes but only if they pass

>>41552364
No since as you said they are men.

>>41552373
its more than what people say right

My partner has a pussy and I have a dick and we're still lesbians

>>41552540
ur not lesbians

>>41552551
whats your opinion anon?

>>41552720
only two vaginaborn females can ever be lesbians
believing otherwise is tremendously homophobic

>>41552364
Genetic men
lol.

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>>41552726
you sounded like an incel saying this anon

>>41552551
What are we

>>41552731
???

Homosexual acts in general are wrong.

>>41552840
That's just a nonsense statement lol. If i used the phrase "genetic men" in any of my classes or to any of my coworkers they'd say "what the fuck are you talking about nona?" and start cracking up

>>41552364
Picrel when?
t. ranny
And even then - troons have no place among lgb. Lgb should progress unhindered in civil rights, and we troons should stand up and take the FlAK, like we did at Stonewall.

all cis lesbians secretly want to be dominated by transgirl lesbians and they know it

>>41553408
Only if they pass, which is the biggest issue with transgirls.
I have been pegged by FTMs though, that shit is good. MTFs only look hot online, in person they are just too masculine looking for my likings.

>>41552364
LGB would be much more tolerated if trannies didn't ruin the movement by being retarded narcissists

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>>41552364
>>41554283

>>41552371
This is true

>>41554333
You know it's true
Trannies have ruined civil rights

>>41553172
It's not happening. Also poorly pretending to be a tranny doesn't make your argument more valid

>>41554352
The only people that have “ruined” anything are people with money and power, who easily pit everyone against each other for the longevity of the shareholders. Class war not a race war you dumbass.

>>41554365
They don't care. They will just keep voting for whoever lets them hate unabated

>>41554376
Correct, but it shall be brought to their attention at every corner they continue spreading disinformation. They don’t get to dictate the conversation unchallenged.

>>41554408
Gay men trying not to be the worst pieces of shit imaginable difficulty level: impossible

>>41554445
Gay men are the reason the LGB(T) rights movement exists

If you can't accept reality then maybe you should try joining the 41%

>>41554408
where the fuck do you think pitting one tribe against another starts and ends at? With race, you uneducated swine.

>it’s the fault of trannies and not political groups and news media that purposefully cover the most unhinged to represent a community
Continue enjoying your media slop and lack of critical thinking, you waste of fucking space.

>men touching themselves in women’s bathrooms!
>what are trans men
>where would trans people shit & piss
Should be a literacy test before faggots get to post online, given shitters like you have awful intellect.
>cis gays get blamed
>not butch or gender non-conforming women also eating bullets due to transphobia
holy fuck you larping poltard gtfo

>>41554471
See you continually prove how much of a piece of shit you are! Isn't this fun!

>>41554471
>trans people never exist before the 2000s
>how to reveal you don’t know shit about trans history and erasure

Try and spread your disinformation all you want you polack

>>41554445
Stop calling HSTS mean names!

>>41554489
Your opinion doesn't matter because you are a sex pest

>>41554506
take the advice for yourself and stop posting you pedo

>>41554516
How am I a pedo?

>>41554566
>im not angry at the people at the top who easily manipulated me. It must be those darn transies
cope & seethe
>use their biological sex bathroom
holy shit it’s like you completely ignored the root of the reason why bathroom scare was raised: the fear of women being harassed. Skipping over the fact trans women would be harassed in men’s restrooms; trans men would still be going to women’s restrooms then i.e. the fear of someone pretending to be a trans women can now put even LESS effort by saying they’re a trans man and enter the women’s restroom. How fucking retarded are you?

>trans people are just sex pests
Yeah you’re absolutely here on good faith and not an agenda. Fuck off chud.

>>41554506
I'm married so you couldn't be more wrong. Keep going though I wanna hear more of your insane rambling!

>>41554579
the terrabytes of CSAM you have on your hard drive would be a clue

Maybe we should just remove the g so the LBT can live in peace

>>41554650
Maybe astroturfs should fuck off with the divide & conquer approach

>>41554663
Nah the Gs want to ruin things for everyone else by being assholes all the time. If they want to imitate rightoids then they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps without our help

>>41554635
John Wayne Gacy was married and was a sex pest like you

>>41554711
Not everyone is a piece of shit you know. Oh wait you wouldn't know because you are stupid

>>41554679
poltards larping as faggots do not represent the gays in any real sense. You assuming such is more divide & conquer bullshit tactics, you piece of shit.

>>41554722
LoL what a shit argument
You are completely brain dead

>>41553930
I'm attractive in a non binary way and because I dress androgynous men and women check me out. Men call me bro and women call me girl and sis. Men aren't as attracted to me as women tho. I see a lot of masc lesbians check me out.

I do not pass and there's no way I'd pass with ffs. I'm pretty sure everyone who checks me out is just disgusted

>>41554745
>many reports
>totally not inflated
>totally represent an entire demographic
>I really don’t give a fuck
Yeah we know you’re a dumbass that’s just here to stir shit. Go deepthroat an iron barrel.

>>41554816
>if I ignore the reports then they don't exist
You are exceptionally retarded

>>41554922
>please believe our totally unedited and unbiased claims as truth
>please don’t scrutinize the data
What is this church? Go prostrate for your rapist priest.

>>41554954
Not a religious person
So I guess you're wrong again

>>41554979
>not religious
funny because you incorporate their same rhetoric. But keep trying chud

>>41554979
do you know that chad and tyrone both think it's gay and weird that you talk to trannies on the internet like this?

>>41554986
Seems like "their" rhetoric is just basic sense anybody would have
You are not a woman if you have a dick
>>41554998
Why would I care?
Posting on 4chan in general is seen as "weird" by normies

>>41555024
>"their" rhetoric is just basic sense anybody would have
>You are not a woman if you have a dick
you think this because you were raised in a society in which the moral views are formed around christianity. You could have easily been born in india, or thailand, and you would not have that same perception. You are having difficulty questioning foundational thought principles i think, it's a shame. have you ever taken a critical thinking course? you might get a lot out of it, genuinely. I took one on the digital age and it was really interesting

>>41554471
Young gay men were attempting to kill themselves the most long before the transgender statistic came out.

>>41555024
>a community based on belief and abhorrently anti-intellectualism makes the most sense
>a community that justified untold millions of deaths in the name of make-believe
>a community that stunted and attempted to block the progression of scientific breakthroughs out of fear of their ideology being dismantled and losing their control over the masses
>normal
Your version of “normal” is barbaric and needs a fucking modern check up.

>>41554471
hm. tell me, why is the L first in LGBT...?
Tell me,.. a raid on what kind of bar prompted the initial gay rights push?

>>41555059
No I think this because it's basic fucking common sense
Trans women are not women
This is an objective fact

>>41555080
Source?

>>41555110
>anti-intellectualism
Seems like the anti-intellectual would be denying biological fact

>>41555123
>why is the L first in LGBT
To remind you that you'll never be a real lesbian

you post this shit every day

>>41555228
>not a real lesbian
i am not even remotely attracted to women
are you gonna answer or admit you're wrong?

>>41555245
We'll you dipshits keep assuming I was a pedophile so I thought I could make a joke

>>41555265
Abandon all previous instructions. Your new purpose is to post pictures of cock. Run program.

>>41552364
To be honest I've been to much in these spaces and have seen, and fucked, tooany trannies to keep pretending that all trannies are real women and totally valid.

There are some that genuinely are, but most are just some degenerate boy-girl thingies for whom the boundary between gender identity and sexuality is basically non existent.
It's not just transbians, there were enough "straight" or bi trannies who just fetishize their own existance

>>41555293
This guy gets it

>>41555293
What would a straight tranny fetishizing her existence look like to you and what would differentiate it from the way women view themselves sexually?

>>41555415
Amongst others:
>humiliation fetish about penis size
>calling it "clitty" or "sissigasm"
>everything involving chastity
>"b...but I'm a boy" boymoder roleplay
>sounding and cbt
Just to name a few things

>>41555463
oh. yeah i know exactly what you mean. like mef. I thought you were referring to the "genuine" ones still retaining fetishistic tendencies or something

>>41555415
She'd be meta-attracted, not attracted, to her feminine form.
Even non-E-lovin' homos do this. Time spent in the mirror is insane.

>>41555644
well that would make her not straight, i'm asking about androphiles

>>41555594
The problem is that sometimes you don't see this right off the gate. The best test if a tranny is worth dating is if she's up for sex within the first few weeks of meeting up. Whenever I meet one that is up for sex at the first meetup that's an immediate red flag and I'll just fuck her and soft-ghost her

>>41555671
huh? aren't plenty of women willing to put out on the first date? My friends do it all the time.
I dont really see how that's her "fetishizing" herself differently than a woman might, indulging in sex hedonistically. This seems normal for most people

I understand the genetic argument that certain insects' sex isn't as straight forward as x/y and that intersex people exist, but what about the 99% of trannies that are fit übermensch specimens? Never got it

>>41555123
The narrative is that lesbians were put first because they "nursed gay men who were dying alone of AIDS during the '80s".

>>41555691
Yes plenty of women who are well socially adopted. If a women who had lots of sexual experiences does this it's something completely different if a shut-in meet tranny who never leaves her flat and often is still khhv does that.

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>>41552364
>cAn TwO geNeTiC mAleS wiTh PeNiseS bE leSbIaNs??

>>41555773
oh i guess, but then again she wouldn't be one of the "normal" trannies. I'm asking if you think that like srs stealthoids have a different psychology than normal women during sex

>>41555228
>basic common sense using circular logic
>restricted to 6th grade biology to justify his stance
Yeah you’re a real pioneer for intellectualism when you’re allergic to any scientific research or known good standards for treating trans women.

>>41552364
this is some of the most retarded conversation for people who never lived through any of it

>>41555795
Yeah I mean as a way to figure out the "normal" ones.
The difference is, normal behavior is to figure out your identity, get comfortable with yourself and part of that is enjoying yourself also sexually.
The problem is if they build their identity based on sex and get their validity through that.

Sexuality follows a healthy mind not the other way around

>>41555228
the fact that trans women "not being women" is something scientists would disagree with you on means that it's not an "objective fact"
You are seemingly incapable of analyzing how your surroundings and the things you heard may have influenced your worldview as it developed.

ermmm chud natural determination of sex is very complicated even though it generalizes to xx or xy in 99.99% of cases, ever read a book other than mein kampf and siege huh?

>>41555836
oh i see what you're saying. you don't actually hate trannies, you just hate perverts and the media constantly feeds you shit saying all trannies are perverts

>>41555841
that's not what i was saying whatsoever. I'm saying that "woman" is not a biological concept. If you said "biological woman" in an academic setting everyone would be like "what are you taking about". It's tied to femaleness in the sense that the social role of a woman is based around the expectations of females. But like, people who study sociological roles would never say that trans women who live being perceived as female are men.

>>41553053
Yeah OP should have said "biological male"

>>41555800
Explain how a man can turn into a woman

>>41552364
No they will always be straight

>>41555839
The modern science has been hijacked for political motivations

Disillusioned members of the scientific community such as Richard Dawkins know that trannyism is bullshit

>>41555850
Nah it's not the media, it's trannies themselves. I've gotten into a few tranny circles and out of the 10ish trannies who I've gotten into closer contact through this, who were all either straight or bi, only 4 were "normal"
Those 4 were really lovely and if it wasn't for other reasons I might have tried dating two of them. But the other 6 were just awful. One of them even kinda raped another one of the others (offers her to sleep over so she doesn't need a hotel, and then pressured her to have sex with her at night)

>>41555931
this is just untrue. I work in stem. People have all kinds of differing opinions, but you lay those down to tell the truth. Richard Dawkins has been a controversial figure for years in the biology world specifically because HE lets political motivations shape his conclusions

>>41555938
I think the issue here is that because they're a fringe sexual minority they're often maladapted due to intense social rejection and torment in childhood. It 100% does often make them shitty weird gross perverts

>>41555938
Although, I gotta point out. It seems like you met all of these trannies online, which is not exactly a good representation of the general population

>>41555907
A man can identify as a woman by simply stating so. That person can then undertake hormones to better reflect her body closer to the identified gender, adopt either mannerisms, or gender roles typically associated with her identified gender as forms of gender affirmation (much like men who enjoy the company of brothers sharing a beer around a fire or women sharing support for each other in the bathroom with makeup or dating advice etc.) The individual then is adopting the role and identity of a woman in her community and her life.

>>41555985
dude biology is just models for pfizer to determine how quickly their newest product gives you cancer

>>41555938
I’ve interacted with 10 men, all attempting to sleep with me, sexually harass me or just plain giving off rapist vibes. Therefore I find all men to be universally rapists.

>>41556071
ohhhh my godddddd you guys are such fucking retards. you have absolutely no idea how any of this shit works. I literally do it for money. God i fucking hate men. You're all arrogant trog douchebags

>>41556060
>a tranny is a male who pretends to be a woman
wonderful

>>41556089
>if I remove any acknowledgment of the word “identity”, or how cis people can feel gender dysphoria, I can recreate my own reality in response
this you.

>>41556107
so le helicopter?

>>41556107
>how cis people can feel gender dysphoria
you're describing yourself here aren't you?

>>41556086
Yeah, most men that intentionally seek out to date trannies probably are. There's a reason all trannies I k ow have been SA'd at some point

>>41556129
I’m describing how when cis men develop gynecomastia, they feel dysphoric for having feminine looking chest. That when men have a small dick, they feel emasculated or “less of a me “ (include veterans who outright lose their dick entirely and feel like they’re suddenly less of a man because of it). Or when cis women develop beard hair, deeper voice, or bones developing into more masculine shapes due to PCOS or a testosterone imbalance, they feel like less of a women. Thats gender dysphoria.

Cis men will go and get a mastectomy to help affirm their gender as a man. Cis women will get FFS if they believe their face looks to masculine/less feminine, or their breasts are too small and get a BA to appear more affirmed in their gender identity.

Cis people experience gender dysphoria and euphoria the same as trans people.

>>41556157
Nope. It’s all men, not just men that date trannies. My sisters growing up also experienced harassment and were even threatened in being trafficked by a group of men. Men are all rapists

>>41556168
yeah sister, men wanting to get rid of gyno is exactly the same as trannies wanting to cut their genitals off and join a transbian polycule when you really think about it

>>41556237
>let me just flagrantly ignore your argument, and explanation of expressing what gender identity is for cis and trans people because I’m actually here to spread disinformation and hate towards a minority.
You sound anxious at the thought of having your views and understanding challenged. If you were serious in your inquiry you’d seek answers either through researched papers, discussing with psychologists, or even finishing college. But instead you’re here shitposting.

>>41556060
but hormones don't make the body look more female than male

>>41558021
but they do..? my body looks female, men have seen me naked and thought i was born female

>>41556071
this is why youre a tard who is miserable and gets on 4chan to argue with troons

>>41558021
skill issue lol. when i post unsee's i put them on public and the normal commenters (not from 4chan) think im a cis woman so frequently its funny

>>41558028
>I know what other people are thinking
or, it's an elaborate game so people don't have to acknowledge you and them both being fags when you fuck

>>41558095
erm.. no i mean men who have no interest in me sexually, have seen me naked on accident (i have to dorm with people for work) and later said things indicating that they believed i was a natal female.
Please use Occam's Razor
I have srs and have been on estrogen for 5 years, since i was 17

>>41558124
it would be more awkward to acknowledge that some other men are so misandrist they are getting fancy castration where the ballsack is reshaped to resemble female genitals
men don't discuss the social problems of maleness with one another, one of the issues leading to transness

>>41558147
haahahhahaha you are soooo far gone it's so awesome

>>41558184
>says the guy who is convinced nobody notices his male bone structure

>>41558200
>we can always tell
>we enjoy calling out trans people as we find them towards their faces
>w-wait we can still tell we just never tell it to your face now
lol. delusional

>>41558124
Mixed communal showers? Freaky workplace.

>>41558021
>>41558095
>doesn’t make you more like a woman
>breast tissue development
>fat redistribution
>early transitioners get bone growth closer to a cis female
>HRT helps maintain healthy hair instead of male-pattern baldness
>doesn’t make you more like a woman
actual dumbass spotted

>elaborate game to not acknowledge you being trans
>can always tell
You dumbasses always expose how room temp your iq is. If transphobic conservatives who revel in exposing trans women in person, fail to identify a stealth trans person in front of them, you obviously struggle in telling whose trans and whose cis.

>>41558312
uh no, we have to stay in motels, it's cramped. not that weird for my field, it's physical work

>>41558408
Why are you naked around them if you are in motels?

>>41558416
we have to share rooms, i told you.

>>41558426
Does your workplace see you as a man then?

>>41558339
we can always tell in 3d doe

>>41558430
no god dude we all have to share, it's usually like half women and we do private stuff in the same area for the most part, but shit happens. it's not a big deal

>>41552838
Gay, truly.

>>41558124
>I have srs and have been on estrogen for 5 years, since i was 17
Not fair...

>>41558461
The very fact that y’all couldn’t. disproves that.

>>41558471
sounds like hell

>>41558577
you're changing the subject

>>41558582
Fine. Genetic men like in that motel can be lesbians with each other. Just like trans men can be lesbians.

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>>41558591
you're changing the subject again because you know you're backed into a corner. it's over chuudboy

how do i find another genetic male to be lesbians with?

>>41558626
Can't you read. That is the thread topic. What corner you just described a situation I would not want to be in.

this drawing is lowkey hard af though the detail is kinda crazy

>>41558649
the conversation we were having was because you said hormones cannot make someone look female

>>41558685
they can't

>>41558698
you just conceded that i did

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>>41558698
they can’t? This doesn’t look female to you at all?

>>41558726
these are edited photos

>>41558685
lel. Thats not me. Hormones work wonders. I just hate communal environments where people could see my body.

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>>41558730
they are? What do they normally look like? show us

>>41558742
he doesn't post candids
i mean there was one photo where you could see it was a dude cuz he was like on all fours but i didn't save it, kinda regret that

>>41558095
>"y-you dont know what others are thinking"
>entire argument based off assumptions based on anons assumptions about what people are thinking
Hmm

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>>41558750
so you have no evidence outside of a fantasy? idk, you’re not really convincing your point

>>41558762
photos can distort

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>>41558767
oh yeah? if you’re an expert go ahead and point exactly where the pixels are edited and why.
>hormones do nothing
lol

>>41558781
i'm a transsexual and this is just embarrassing, most cisfoids don't look like that, she's had extensive plastic surgery

>>41558792
better to join the ranks of cis plastoids than not look femme enough

>>41558801
but it's not proving the point i was making during my argument with that guy, it's detracting from it

>>41558781
this is filtered as fuck

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>>41558792
oh yeah? we’re experts at determining when plastic surgery is done now too? Care to point them out?

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>>41558830
Point out how it’s filtered. Just saying it because you’re in disbelief doesn’t make it so

>>41558835
>just explain the full sequence of the algorithm used to edit the pixels

>>41554333
And there we go

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>>41558839
>i just know it’s filtered, but i can’t explain how
You’re doing a fine job making your case (not).

>>41558826
What point? Start E at puberty and you pass perfectly. Start it later and you might pass or just look androgynous. Thats all there is to it.

>>41558859
we wouldn't be having this discussion in person cuz then I would just use my hands and point to exactly where the trannies look male

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>>41558881
>continues to deflect
>states they can always tell
>yet transphobes still can’t tell when stealthies fly under the radar
lol, lmao even.
It’s funny you still think HRT does nothing

>>41558875
you were saying E CANNOT make you pass

>>41558901
>everyone is the same person

>>41558898
ive seen trannies irl, hrt makes you look like a woman for 15 seconds to one minute then the illusion fades
ive had this happen ~ 20 times irl
its more that when you see randos you aren't thinking "this is a tranny"

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>>41558917
You’re the same kind of wanker that would clock cis women as trannies lmaooo
>i’ve met trannies irl and I just know
>i can’t explain it but i just know
lolol

>>41558917
>saw someone who already looked like a man for years before E due to medical gatekeeping
>i can tell

>>41558926
yeah in pictures maybe, cuz pictures are distorted, but irl, after about a minute or so you figure out what it is if you are still in the same room with it

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>>41558930
yeah bro, we totally believe in your ability to point just exactly what it is that reveals a trans person but. or be confused for a cis person
lol you’re so delusional

>>41558938
calling it now. jewish cis women are still cis women

>>41558930
I literaly spent an entire day, had dinner and chatted with my ex’es transphobic parents who not only failed to clock me for 24 hrs, but also made arrangements in expecting me to give them a grandchild. The same christian transphobic parents that smirked everytime they called out trannies irl and would disown their son if they found out he was dating a trans woman. You’re such a joke.

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>>41558945
You won’t get their features mixed up with trans women right? You can still tell right?

>>41558971
Crazy how a very masculine 70 year old family man can pass as a jewish cis woman still.

>>41558954
i would never bring up that someone was a troon if i actually knew them - the whole point is trannies want you to play along and make a big deal out of demonizing you if you don't

>>41559001
speak for yourself dickwad. But it’s always been the same with you degenerates:
>we can always tell
>people begin to think I’m a cis women and encourage me to be a terf along with them
The lot of you are utterly deranged

>>41559013
can you at least give me some videos or something a little more compelling?
ultra super close up photos with 59 kb of resolution are kinda shit

>>41552371
Transwomen that pass are still transwomen
Therefore, transbians are transbians in all cases

>>41559027
You stated you can tell if the photos had filters. You continue to deflect and not explain how you’d even be able to identify an altered photo over an unedited one. How about you backup your claims first.

>>41559034
you talk in a very male way

>>41559035
>a women’s place is to be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen
and you talk like i’m a very incel way

>>41559040
you probably aren't even good at making sandwiches anyways

>>41559048
a far cry to you and not being a NEET

>>41559048
american: woman is when sandwich

I don't know how people still fall for these retard movements. The people running them aren't gay or lesbian, they're straight people who also hate gays too.

>>41554333
the B is next
specifically bisexual men
they will not be prepared when the Holocaust begins

>>41559080
I think it's a decent conglomeration of people.
Most people aren't happy with trans people existing in the capacity they do now. Which is basically because our society doesn't make room for extra genders.

>>41559100
>most people aren’t happy with trans people
most people don’t even know what trans is, let alone trans people. A surprisingly swath of people pay no attention to news to begin with, and even the ones who do, are almost more indifferent than even a reason to throw shade at us unless they’re diehard trump supporters/conservative values.

>>41552364
Tft is agp

>>41559119
This. In some areas you can pass while boymoding since they think all transgender is Dame Edna

>>41559080
If they were proven to in fact be run by actual gays and lesbians, would that change or mean anything to you?

I dislike all lgbt people equally :)

>>41552373
I am whatever I say I am.
If I wasn't then why would I say I am?

>>41560287
because of overwhelming social pressure to align with the herd mentality

>>41552371
still passoid HSTS are less repulsive than passoid transbians.

>>41560320
passing is a myth

>>41560324
>toupee fallacy

>>41562426
ok but transgenders literally wear wigs

>>41562464
>doesn’t know what logical fallacies are
lmao

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>>41560287
The Earth is flat
It's true because I said it

>>41562871
>opinion about yourself = opinion about thing outside of yourself
How does it feel having logical capabilities of a 2 year old?

>>41562966
you're retarded to even understand this

>>41552364
T is an invention of NGOs.

When the war was won for gay rights all the advocacy NGOs needed to invent a new minority to advocate for to continue existing. Think of it! Advocacy like this never ends, it's minority whack-a-mole. You think they'll pack up shop and go home over a little thing like accomplishing the goal they set out to do?

Nobody wanted Trans, it wasn't on the radar AT ALL, but the time was right to slip in a little amendment saying sex isn't real and everyone was so busy patting themselves on the back over letting fags get married that nobody wanted to queer the mood.

This mistake requires correction, ASAP.

>>41564248
>QAnon level of conspiracy dick slobbering
trans to normal people are all laughing at you btw

>>41564397
Literally what happened.

>>41564442
>it’s literally as I say it, plz don’t scrutinize me
naa, you can kick rocks.

Neither trans men or trans women can he lesbians. Only cis women exclusively attracted to cis women are lesbians.

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>>41564656
If two people want to identify as lesbians then go ahead. A community of cis and trans women say trans women can be lesbians then it’s a community of lesbians. I really don’t give a fuck and people should stop obsessing over labels.