Are HSTS more like ultra effeminate extra zesty gay men with social aspirations of belonging to the more popular, reputable female social grouping, or actual straight women cruelly trapped in male bodies who act more like women than gay men?
>>41558003the latter
>>41558003very few trannies who like men are like the first group anymore. this is a stereotype from decades ago
>>41558005can you point to the evidence you have found that led you to come to that conclusion?>>41558030for porpoises of discussion, let's refrain from talking about meta-attracted AGPs - completely - for this thread please
>>41558043personal experience and prevailing medical opinion
>>41558043There are no new HSTS. Feminine males are now sufficiently accepted in society that they don't need to troon. Any "HSTS" who transitioned since 2020 is a meta-attracted AGP.
>>41558070does an opinion being common make it more correct?>Feminine males are now sufficiently accepted in societymost people believe feminine behavior in men can only be learned from women though
>>41558133>most people believe feminine behavior in men can only be learned from women thoughMost boys are not sequestered from female family members and classmates until adulthood.
>>41558133not always, but I was making an appeal to authority. In most cases, medical theory seems correct insofar as treatment efforts.>most people believe feminine behavior in men can only be learned from women thoughnot in progressive areas, and yet those are the areas we see the most trannies. I live in deep blue cucktopia, hsts trannies are treated like strange novelties, gay men are creme of the crop socially. if your theory was true, you'd see essentially no trannies in places like commiefornia and blue york
>>41558152>Most boys are not sequestered from female family members and classmates until adulthood.if there are some who are, then maybe we should study them to see if they still act girly :^)
>>41558043>can you point to the evidence you have found that led you to come to that conclusion?Not that anon, but I'm one of those in the latter group.
>>41558215have you found success in attracting a heterosexual male mate?
I wasn't even a zesty gay feminine fag I was just a shy nerd >inb4 meta attracted agpWhen I see my bf's hairy thighs I get hard and I give them a tongue bath
>>41558396AGPs are often lonely, shy, shut-in nerds as teenagers.
>>41558396get out of the hsts thread, you dumb agp
>>41558436my understanding of agp is that they don't feel that way about menbut I love hairy man ass and hairy man chest, I look at that with lustful eyes
>>41558220>have you found success in attracting a heterosexual male mate?Yes, I have a cishet bf of three years.
>>41558450agps can be really loud about performative attraction to men because it validates them as women
>>41558003The former, but only IF they self-describe as "HSTS" or a "doll".
>>41558978>or a "doll".Is being a woman a similar experience to being an inanimate object used for the pleasure of others?
>>41558003neither, because both of those are projections by heterosexuals who fundamentally are incapable of understanding how shitty things are if you grow up as an effeminate gayboy.
>>41558074jeeps will say shit like this while twinkanons still post about being subjected to physical and sexual violence.
>>41558978these are fussy jeeps not actual hussies lol. since rupaul bs has blown up theres a fuckton of jeeps pretending to be this kind of person because it validates their idea of what a tranny should be.
>>41559262>and sexual violence.like what exactly?
>>41559282anon youve really not read accounts of gay twinks being sexually assaulted on this site?
>>41559316no, tell me more
>>41559516HOLY FAGGOT, BATMAN!
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>>41560019>this is acceptanceyeah no. granted jeeps have driven a lot of this "were literally women" narrative but the same degree of alienation and dehumanisation has persisted largely unchanged. mass gay acceptance is largely an illusion.
>>41560082>mass gay acceptance is largely an illusion.the only people who ever claim that gays are accepted are people who hate gays and want to make their own hate seem less bad because it is supposedly an isolate occurrence rather than commonplace
>>41560082>mass gay acceptance is largely an illusionnot in the civilized world (nordics). normal people here literally just dont care if someone is gay, its a huge nothingburger.
>>41560117unless its their own kids or someone close to them
>>41558003Female society is neither more reputable nor popular. Society just does not care about men to begin with so either they do stuff that makes them undeniable or they're ignored. Women are conniving, petty spergs but society values them so they overlook all the dumb shit they do on a daily basis. Just look at how either side is treated for trying to transition, same mental illness, totally different responses. Same for gays and lesbians, the rates of hate related violence between the two is laughable.Despite women and men being far more alike than not, society treats women like sheltered retards (and it's considered a horror in the exceptions when it doesn't) and treats men liek disposable drones (and it's considered a horror in the exceptions when it doesn't)
>>41560118yeah unfortunately, though even in that situation its only the worse half of society that thinks badly of it
>>41560117see >>41560118gay acceptance extends to other people. when its your kid or someone related to you however, maybe you act a little different about it. maybe you say nothing overt, maybe you dont realise it, but you do start to progressively treating the kid like shit, or outright abusing the kid, or making sure life is harder for the kid than it needs to be.my mother loves gay guys. i wasnt allowed to bathe or grow my hair out. every minor display of fagginess on my part was met with contempt or outright violence. she will never once reflect on this or acknowledge it in any capacity. this is what passes for acceptance.
>>41560130i think people still think you are disgusting they just have such a non confrontational culture its rude to confront someone for being gaybut its not like you can just hit on a random man in norway and he will be ok with it
>>41558003even if u were a big blanchard fan, it's impossible to ignore >>41558030 and >>41558074 while maintaining the definitions, since the explanation for the rapid increase in trans id is said to be due to various factors like greater access and more acceptanceon the other hand the explanation for the latter group was specifically that they could not suppress their innate femininity and would sometimes be described as 'passing' before receiving clinical treatmentthose two descriptions are inherently incompatible even if u try to explain the change as the result of an ecological disaster, 'plastic is turning the frogs gay', then it would still be categorically distinct to someone that was born that way and unable to suppress ithow blanchard fans want to resolve that discrepancy is for them to figure out, but simply ignoring it undermines the whole basis of the typology
>>41560193I can easily ignore someone making a sweeping generalization that my own experience directly contradicts.
>>41560197but that's just cope, ur own experience does not contradict being able to look at the numbers and reports that clinics are back up with waiting lists for years, and that vastly more ppl are signing up for trans care today than ever beforeit's something that everyone can verify, even u can, and u would have to actively ignore it for it to not be ur experience, but even then it would still be ur experience, u would just lie about it whether or not that applies to u personally is a different matter, but the fact is the increase is undeniable
>>41560210no, the idea that being a feminine man is totally accepted today
>>41560212whatever u want to believe, just don't deny that explanations for the increase is in contradiction to the old clinical narratives
>>41560216i think governments are pushing people to trans
i'd say hsts are not tru trans. just look at blaire white. non-op. identifies as male. came out in 2015. they're gay men seeking special priveleges for how faggy they are.
>>41560881what sort of social privileges?
>>41560835lithium now!
>>41561035t. cia shill feeling the heat
>>41561051okay terrie! Just make sure to look both ways before crossing train tracks!
>>41561089im not a schizo
>>41561397oh you most definitely are
>>41561418nuh uh
>>41561437yes uh
>>41561445im like the sanest dude on this tricked out websitejust admit that being transgender is being artificially pushed by well-paid shadowy operatives
>>41561456>im like the sanest dude on this tricked out websitesure you are my man
