How is it even a debate that being trans is a mental illness? Lol, im trans and ik and can see how bizarre it all is. Injecting yourself with cross sex hormones you dont need, getting rid of body parts etc etc
>>41559266Because doctors wanted insurance to pay for peoples medical bills. That is why Now you're fucked with a mental illness on your record.
>>41559280Not Me I d.i.y Xp
>>41559266Plastic surgery is normal. So what is so bad about gender change ? The president of the USA has orange skin. Black people who where born in the USA are considered African American because of skin color ?
>>41559266I don't percieve it as bizarre or a mental illness, it actually makes logical sense to want to be dual trained and well rounded. It genuinely shocks me that cis people are one gender their entire playthrough.... Its unimpressive at best and complacent at worst. What's the point of being human I'd you can't take advantage of it all?
>>41559266I saw on TV a person had 250 lbs of fat removed. I don't think my gentiles weight nearly that much
>>41559266 Battle of the sexs Men vs women You're a trader to men or your not to join women. OCD everything is in order or they flip out. Privacy, only ignorant people invaded other people's private privacy.
>>41559266People loose weight and have skin removed it's ok But someone wants their gentiles removed it's not ok People in Texas dress like cowboys and cowgirls. I can't dress how I want ?
comparing unnecessary plastic surgery to castration is a new and very good one. Chud will ponder on this.
>>41559345It's personal identity and privacy. Nothing wrong with it, just the bigots that are afraid of something different. Control freaks are mentally ill
I happen to think transgenderism is "le bad" and that it goes hand in hand with mental illness, yet I don't like the idea of treating it as a mental illness... I think it grows out of certain real and interesting things about the human soul, it is an interesting desire, not a sign of someone being fundamentally disordered or whatever... There was a saying in the writings of Coventry Patmore, that the soul is sexless, but, being embodied, shows itself only in one 'aspect'; but in heaven it shall know itself completely. I don't think it's akin to schizophrenia that, as we learn more about the way the body and the hormones produce gendered behaviour and gendered appearance, some will become enormously curious about whether it is possible to cross that boundary. I sympathize very much with these oddballs, even if I think it's a bad idea which produces a bad result.
>>41559266Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. Being gender non conforming isn't. GD makes you fucked up and unable to live a normal life, being GNC is just a fun hobby or a lifestyle.
>>41559266Yes and transitioning is the best treatment available that leads to the best general quality of life
>>41559420Ok but if I go talk to some raw meat keto guy he will say the exact same thing about his own particular weird way of living, and I suspect you're both full of shit
>>41559266I think it can be a mental illness.. It's really complicated and not all trans people have the same pathology or any at allWhen people think of "hussies" most of them have an intersex disorder that causes them to not have a complete puberty or masculinize mentally. These types are just not able to live as men they can't cut it as guys and generally have mostly women friends and are bullied twinks a lot.What people think are "agps" its usually a paraphillia derived from being a incel and hating other men/thinking lesbianism is hot. They're basically just incels with a fetish thats gone out of control
>>41559454The evidence has led the American medical association, American psychological association, etc to say it’s better, so if you think those are equal in authority then there’s not rly any point to trying to persuade you with evidence
>>41559477Bro you are talking about people who recommended replacing butter with "heart-healthy vegetable oils" etc.
>>41559492If you don’t find those to be reputable as the leading medical authorities, then there’s no point to arguing with you.
>>41559492Anyway, that’s just an example of how strong the consensus for current evidence is. I’m not saying they’re infallible
>>41559492Nta but is that bad? I thought butter was bad.
>>41559518Get woke: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml
>>41559266go back
>>41559492https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/Here’s a good resource to get started to the state of the field. Hope you enjoy reading!
>>41559266>you dont need"Need" is an ideological conceptAlso you aren't a trannyShit bait
>>41559539I don't know if you know this, but any kind of treatment that involves- taking drugs with side effects- actively participating in one's therapy- seeing one's active choices reflected in real changes in their life and their bodyIs going to be a mega-powerful placebo no matter what. I don't even know how you'd begin to construct a comparable placebo to test this against. You'd have to compare this to, e.g., someone who enters a religious community and undertakes a regimen of fasting and mortification. Or a guy who gets deep into keto carnivore stuffI am sure they found ample evidence that transitioning produces a positive change for these people, because that's exactly what you'd expect to find. And in fact that is their only conclusion: that transition produces a positive quality of life change.The far more interesting question, which they are not posing, is whether there is some curative property to transitioning, if it meets some actual gender-need, that makes it effective as more than just a huge placebo. If its effectiveness proves something about dysphoria being a real illness, in need of a specific kind of treatment. They didn't want to touch that thorny question, which is why instead we have "improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals", which is so obvious that it's basically nothing.
>>41559677Point is it exists and it works.Imagine if there were a way to cure mental illnesses like schizophrenia without psych meds but had physical side effects like growing boobs. that would probably be preferable to psychotic episodes. If you could cure gender dysphoria with pimozide, CBT, or regular psych meds then plenty of ppl would be taking it by now.
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>>41559677There were plenty of studies dating back at least to the 60s where psychologists who were most definitely anti transition did lots of experiments on trans people with alternative approaches that didn’t work
>>41559816I'm going to bet that their goal was not merely to achieve "improved quality of life", nor was there a comparable institutional pressure to arrive at a positive result
>>415596771. Does it matter? The measurement of a treatment is how well it reduces symptoms. If suicidality, dysphoria, and depression go down and the person becomes more stable than it's a good treatment. The way you've worded the post is that transition is some severely negative thing that should be avoided at all costs, and if it only is working via a placebo effect than we should pursue something else. But that's not true; It isn't hard on the body in the way something like chemotherapy is, it's not an especially rare or expensive medication. You might have a leg to stand on when we get into intensive surgeries, but hormonal and social transition? no2. It's not possible to ethically design a study that measures the placebo effect when it comes to transition. Researchers and participants will quickly realize they are on a placebo medication. So it kind of feels like you're trying to find a reason to dismiss this data based on your ideological bias, and conveniently you've chosen a issue that can't ever be resolved thus you will never have to engage with the data or results ever.
>>41559266>>41559280This would be a systemic disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_diseaseNot a mental disorder, since the brain's sexed body-map isn't disordered and neither is the body itself, but the relation between them is.
>>41562151yes famously the establishment back in the day was all about quality of life over fitting societal norms
>>41559303>>41559318Holy crap. Please learn English.
