Apparently you're supposed to insert the needle at an angle and not vertically in order to prevent vial coring? Does anyone know anything about this?
>>41563711well, yes. youre supposed to do that
>>41563776How exactly does it prevent coring?
>>41563776I have already stabbed my vial something like 10 times. Is it too late to start inserting the needle at an angle?
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>>41563831just do it right from nowif nothing leaks and there's no plastic floating it's probably fine
>>41563871I don't understand the instructions.The needle is not supposed to fully penetrate the rubber?
>>41563924you know the opening on a needle? How it's at an angle? You want to push down so the tip of the opening starts a hole and the last bit of the opening, the heel, enters at the same spot the tip did
>>41563883>>41563871"so that the bevel tip and the heel enter the same point"Could you explain to me terms what this is all supposed to mean? I don't get it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5F0SLoMjC8
>>41563946It is still unclear. What is a needle heel?
>>41563924when you insert needle, it has to make a hole in the rubber to go throughif you insert it straight, the hole is circular like a paper hole puncher'sif you insert it at the angle in the pic, it's more like just a slit and the smallest you can make it>>41563964labeled in the pic
I've cored so many vials and I still use them. It's honestly fine.
>>41563969The picture does not contain the word heel.>>41563963If you do that, the moment you turn the needle vertical it is going to enlarge the hole anyway. None of this makes sense.
>>41564018dumb b*tch
>>41563711you don't need to do this just make sure your needles aren't too big. anything over 20g should be fine
>>41563946>You want to push down so the tip of the opening starts a hole and the last bit of the opening, the heel, enters at the same spot the tip didThe more times I read this and the less sense it makes
>>41563711>>41563776>>41563871god no one tells me fucking anything. >>41563971injecting straight macroplastics honestly i can kind of respect it i wonder how your leg hasnt gone necrotic yet
>>41563776really?i always go straight because i'm worried i'm gonna misswill i ruin the vial if i use a small gauge
>>41564033Well if I'm going to puncture the rubber over 50 times then I better do it rightI just wish the instructions here were clearer
>>41564018>If you do that, the moment you turn the needle vertical it is going to enlarge the hole anyway.enlarge maybe but it won't make a piece of rubber come off unlike the other way
>>41563711how big of a deal is coring actually?
>>41564037Can you explain the picture to me because I don't understand itI'm still trying to figure it out what a needle heel is
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>>41564056less of a deal with smaller needles
>>41564103thats a bent needle
>>41563711start putting the tip in at an angle, you'll see how the rubber starts "burring" - watch this happen and you should be able to intuit how to overcome it with monke brain common sense(rather than just pushing and letting the needle freely slide along path of least resistance, push downwards as well to encourage the needle to "slip past" the rubber burr vs. pushing the burr directly into the needle core and then into the vial)(also make sure u use a decent gauge draw needle cuz otherwise you'll snap the needle lol)
>>41564056its unfortunately happened to me a few times but most of the time it was after 3-4 months of continuous use and the vial basically being close to empty anyway. only once has it happened to a fresh vial in ~2 years of injections.
>>41564149also be careful cuz disinfectants usually like wear down the rubber on the stopper too which makes it easier to core lol
>>41564171buf what's the big idea anon? does it make it lose potency faster or something
>>41564192the purpose of the rubber seal is to keep the medicine sterileif the seal is compromised because a big chunk got torn off then your medication is no longer sterile
Okay dumb fuck. The reason the angle matters isnt to affect how much of the needle ends up in the rubber stopper. Its to change how it enters the hole. Using just the edge of the sharp part like a blade to stab through, with the tube following and being angled in properly after the tip is in, vs shoving it in vertically which is more like shoving a straw through the top of a boba tea drink, making a bigger, messier hole.Its ONLY about how the tip of the needle enters the hole, which affects how much it damages the stopper.
Amazing how everyone here ignored the possibility that maybe OP isn't a native English speaker and just assumed he's dumb.Good job retards.
>>41564149what the fuck is a burr
>>41564482>shows up>contributes nothing>calls everyone retarded>leaves
>>41564512they're right except op is the retard
>>41564056It’s very occasional and most clinics prescribe at a rate that you accumulate vials faster than you use them. Of course, it’s good to have a solid stockpile for the hard times like these but I’ve only had to toss a vial that wasn’t empty once.
>>41564482>>41564494LMFAO
>>41563711Depends on factors such as gauge of needle, frequency you are using a vial before discard, etc.I get away with just vertical punctures (but I consciously target different spots on the stopper as to not constantly damage a single hole repeatedly), and I discard my vials usually every 5-6 weeks. I’m also using an 18G needle to draw my serum.Best practices is to go at an angle (preferable different spots on the stopper like I mentioned earlier), and to not be reusing a vial for more than a month (but there’s some leeway with this).
Why don’t you just man up and stop doing drugs.
>>41563711Jfc this fucking threadNo wonder normiehons are scared of DIY, yall people out here cargo culting your injections
>>41564745>diabetes patients should stop taking drugs>people under going surgery should man up and not take anesthesia>all of medicine should just be discarded and people should just man upOkay you go first
>>41564745drugs are good for you
>>41563711Yeah it's kind of crazy that some of you don't know this
>>41564047You're planning on poking in the exact same spot 50 times? That'll cause coring despite every trick in the book. Just poke at different spots lmao
>>41565233How the fuck am I supposed to keep track of where the poking has happened >>41564591My vial has 10 ml inject 0.1 ml a week. I'm not going to throw it away after using 4% of the vial. I use 25 mm by 0.5 mm needles so it should be okay.
>>41566079You should be fine. It’s only a real concern if you’re being violent during the withdrawl step or somehow still manage to core the stopper. Trust your instincts, nona
>>41564762How can you see anything related to a cult in my post?
>>41566128I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.I'm from a third world country and I can't be getting news vials all the time.
>>41566151Hhhhhhhooooolllllyyyyyy sssshhhhhiiiiiiitttttt
>>41566206Talking to you is pretty difficult
why dont you just drink it?
>>41566236Because it says subcutaneous and intramuscular only on the vial
>>41566247pussy
>>41566128So you were being sarcastic?
>>41566164>>41566336Sorry I had stepped away for food.>third worldI wasn’t being sarcastic. In my experience and tutoring around ten other trannies in person, i haven’t seen or heard them core their vials and only three of them applied the angle method. If you want to be excessively cautious then do the angle method. I’m more just sharing my experience with injections of 10+ years.
>>41566606My only wish is that my vial last at least 50 punctures (i.e. 50 weeks) before something bad happens. I hope poking random unplanned spots on the rubber stopper with a 0.5mm thick needle allows me that.I'm just tired of worrying.
>>41566606Im on homebrewed btw
Why is it that everyone who DIY's injectable medication seems to not even go through the effort to watch a video on how to inject medication
>>41566705This discussion isn't about injecting medication but about drawing medication into the syringe.
>NOOO YOU CANT TAKE PILLS YOU GOTTA DO INJECTIONS PILLS ARE A MEME>the same people who say this are injecting all their estrogen wrong to the point they might as well not even be on hrt anymore lmaooooo
>>41566734>drawing medicationwhich is included in every injectable medication tutorial online...why not just read one of the many available medication pamphlets that come in actual prescription e boxes? they have a huge thing about how to draw medication properly. This just seems like something you would obviously look up how to do
>>41566740Honestly i don't think this is a huge mistake.
>>41566740>not drawing up in the best way = hrt doesn't work>nhshons are so retarded
>>41566940>NHShonsI may be a hon but I am not british don't ever call me that
>>41566940nta but the reason she's saying this is that coring a vial results in rapid degradation of the drug, within a couple weeks you're basically just injecting rancid sesame oil
>>41566953Seriously????
>>41566953>nta buti think you're supposed to ask aita and then other people say if youre nta or yta
>>41566953you got it all wrong>>41566979you have to go back
>>41566974yes, what did you think the stopper was stopping? if they didn't need to be air tight they'd have lids
>>41566953MY ASTROVIALS WILL GO BAD IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS? THEN WHY THE FUCK DO THEY MAKE 10ML VIALS?
>>41566989go back where
>>41567000only if you're stupid and core them...? if you draw properly you're fine, it's likely not a huge deal but regardless coring means you should dispose of your medication. you're going to give yourself a foreign body embolism
>>41566998that can't be right
>>41567011He said it'll go rancid "in a few weeks" regardless of coring.
>>41567012stoppers prevent the medication from being contaminated and degrading due to excessive air exposure, if you core your vial especially multiple times, the stopper is no longer doing its job. It's obviously inconvenient, why did you think it was there?>>41567026that was me, i'm a transsexual woman, and that's not what i said.>coring a vial results in....
>>41566953>>41567011>>41567034what if one spot on the top of the rubber stopper is a bit damaged but the bottom is clearly not broken and you just draw from other spots not near it
>>41567081that is how drawing usually looks, it leaves a small puncture mark that is occasionally visible, the issue is if you can see light coming through it if you shine a flashlight behind it, or if you can see bits of rubber in the medication.Always check for foreign bodies in your medication against a white background and with light before injecting
>>41566671nona, that is an absurdly long time to expect a vial to survive. They’re not typically designed to last that long and I’d imagine after 20punctures you’re going to introduce plastics into your serum. Please plan accordingly.
>>41567184I mean, it would hardly be effective at that point anyway right? she's gonna be injecting nothing, they're topped off with nitrogen for a reason. If she's filling it with like a ml of air every week she's going to inevitably degrade the medication over a year. It would just slowly become less effective
>>41567220Right, so if her plan is to ration her injections, she’s better off taking a higher dose but longer time between shots (honestly not the most effective method for transitioning) or more realistically needs to get more vials rather than one highly concentrated vial to last year(s). They’re not designed to last for so long.
>>41564103can the rubber come off if you push it too hard? i can't be too rough with it because i worry this would happen
>>41567307You’d have to intentionally be trying to jam as hard as possible in order to accomplish that. Vials are sterilized shut with steam pressure. This should be a non-issue if you’re using the vial in typical fashion.
>>41567184why? what evidence do you have for this claim? basically everyone sells the hrt in large quantities for the purpose of the vial lasting a long time
>>41564482>maybe OP isn't a native English speaker and just assumed he's dumb.Those are the same thing, though.
>>41567453My understanding is that they sell vials in large quantities for users that inject higher concentrations. My evidence of why I think they’re not designed to last too long, is because I had a few instances in the past when I first started injections and wanted to preserve a vial for as long as possible (and to save money), but quickly encountered scenarios where bits and pieces of my stopper ended up inside my serum over months of trying to use the same vial. Maybe my experience is just an isolated anecdote, in which case proceed at your own risk then.
>>41567584theyre not designed for higher concentrations, as concentrations high enough to use even half of the solution in 20 draws is way too high and probably not great for you long termi also encountered what you did, but it was with pharmaceutical vials with very poor quality stoppers, it's the main reason i switched to diy, and i've been using my vial for over a year without observing any bits of rubber in the viali bet you're using too big a needle honestly, you're supposed to use a small gauge since it does waaaay less damage to the stopper and has a super low chance of coring
>>41567723There's the problem of having to inject air into the vial which is the same as leaving the vial open which is going to degrade the thing anyway even if you don't core it
>>41568850yup, this is why pharmaceutical vials are made to last 4-8 weeks at most. They even tell you to toss it after 28 days for potency, but my doctor says it's fine to around 6 weeks and my levels are stable
>>41568850>>41568869but then how are people's levels fine? most people who diy do injections and all the diy is in those higher concentration vials
are people just fearmongering cause I have never heard of air exposure in vial being such big of an issue that youd need to start getting new vials every few weeks??
>>41569907I don't know the answer either
>>41564037>i wonder how your leg hasnt gone necrotic yetactual retard>>41563711depends on your needles tbhon, if you're using insulin syringes it doesn't really matter
>>41564745All great minds and innovators do drugs. If you don't do drugs you'll stay a mundane all your life, good for nothing but keeping the species in maintenance. Completely expendable. You can't create original thoughts if you can't go to places no one has been.
>>41571012albert enstein smoked formaldehyde thats why he so smart
>>41563711in my experiencing using 29G syringes i have gone through one vial without doing this and my levels never got any worse and no visible coring ever happenedthat said next time i inject i will look up how to properly insert the needle i guess...
>>41571649Do you think 25 gauge is okay,? I've stabbed my vial 10 times already and I turned it upside down and nothing leaked. I really don't think I have to do the technique people are talking about.
>>41572084from what I understand (and i am not at all an expert and barely researched this) 25G is worse for coring than like 29G to a degree that is significant so I would say no and suggest you switch to a higher gauge onelike it's probably ok in that it's not going to core it immediately since it hasn't happened yet to you but just if the risk of coring is higher then just get a higher gauge one
>>41569907depends how autistic you are, i've used mine for like 6~ months with no issues, bloods fine too lolusually the vial solutions have preservatives in them (e.g. benzyl benzoate) to prevent microbes from normal use, tho ik 6 months is a long time lolobvs. the seal *actually* being compromised (like turning the vial upside down = medication pooling/leaking out from top from excessive coring) might be different tho>I have never heard of air exposure in vial being such big of an issueidk if anyone else does but i usually inject air from the syringe first to overpressurise a bit and help with drawing the medication too loljust don't fart while you're drawing innit
>>41563711Use lower concentration and smaller vials. Bam, no longer a problem
>>41572351These preservatives don't protect from air but from microbes nona>>41572393Tell me where I can find them without a progestin in this primate-infested hellhole called Brazil
>>41572538>These preservatives don't protect from air but from microbes nonaya lol, i did specify>(e.g. benzyl benzoate) to prevent microbes from normal usebut yea, i mean microbes could be introduced by air (unsterile environment), or from the needle if they forgot to swab the stopper - a small quantity of them but that's what the preservative's for if anything
>>41572538>Brazil Compound it yourself
>>41566705i've watched multiple injection videos and none of then mentioned this
are any of the anons fearmongering about this actually correct? at least one of them's only evidence is personal experience of coring their vials a tonim kind of hesitant to believe them
>>41572628Coring is perfectly possible after repeated punctures IF the needle is thick enough. I'm on the fence about product degradation due to air injected.
>>41572538hi nona we've talked in the past about our fears regarding perlutan and the progestin effect on DHT (body hair and hair loss for example) and even tho i agree that pure-estradiol is better i need to say i did blood tests last month and my DHT was cis women tier low (even lower desu, it was 4.7ng/dL). so yeah astrovials/pure EEn is a lot better and i agree and im happy you're able to get it and also i hope i can get it too in the future, im just trying to say that you shouldnt be worried about that time you spent taking perlutan, your DHT was probably low too and it was just our mind making us terrified of it
>>41572646what im saying is that they're using their own personal experience to say ALL vials will core regardless of needle gauge and proper drawing techniquehow do we know it's not the same thing with the air?
>>41572662:thinkingemoji:
>>41563711just use a higher gauge needle to draw from with 1 year vials its slower to fill the syringe but it keeps the cap thing good. and the av caps are pretty nice, they can handle a lot of jabs
I got bits of rubber pieces in vial floating but nothing is leaking so far, is it okay?
>>41573480no, you dont really want to be injecting bits of rubber
>>41573494Can't afford discarding it. Been using 27g to withdraw it with, and haven't seen pieces in injections. Any signs to look out for if injecting bits rubber accidentally? The rubbers bits themselves aren't gonna affect medicine on its own?
>>41573880NtaIs ur vial astrovials
>>41573910yes
>>41573880macroplastics
>>41573931YOLO>>41573910Also is this you>>41573931
>>41574102no
