not unless you’re fucking up your ‘mone regiment

>>41636869
oh cool how does that work specifically in terms of "science"

>>41636824
no
but in exactly 32 minutes and 15 seconds there will be an anon trying to explain you the science between hormone cycles and that a perioids shedding of the uterine lining is not the main part of a period and that trans women can have them too and t hen everyone will clap how awesome

>>41636965
how
i mean if you lack the hardware

>>41636824
why do ciscattle seethe so much over some trannies saying they get periods?

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>>41636973
can you please be patient and wait half an hour for the response thank you

>>41636942
if you’re letting your levels get super low, you can experience some of the mental symptoms of a period iirc. i don’t think theres really any mechanism for the physical ones, and in any case, your hormones shouldn’t vary within a 20+ day period. for methods that have less stable levels (valerate injections & anything that’s not injections) you’re generally administering them quite often, daily or twice daily for shit like pills, and EV is usually every 5-7 days. other injections where you wait longer in between are stabler, so your levels shouldn’t vary much

>>41636991
Because you're a man with a dick, only women can have periods.

>>41636965
t-minus 8 minutes to go…

it's like roid rage, but it's pms instead because they're cycling estrogen

>>41636824
One time I had a psychotic breakdown that lasted like 2 weeks but in retrospect that was probably just seasonal depression rather than hormones

>>41636824
No, it's a psychosomatic illusion but >>41636991

>>41636824
>lets have another bait thread!

>>41637066
even if that's true, so? why do you seethe so much about people saying something retarded?

>We conclude that a uterus is not essential for the expression of PMT, but that its removal often results in the amelioration of symptoms.
Journal of psychosomatic research 36 (6), 569-584, 1992
>It is concluded that PMS can occur in women who have no uterus.
Journal of Psychosomatic Obstetrics & Gynecology 9 (1), 43-50, 1988
>Despite few reports of TAH/BSO as a treatment for severe PMS, we have found surgery, coupled with appropriate HRT, to be an extremely effective and well-accepted permanent cure for PMS
>93.6% declared complete resolution of their cyclical symptoms
(Meaning 6.4% still showed cyclical symptoms)
Human Reproduction 19 (9), 2152-2155, 2004


Tldr there seems to be something up with the symptoms and hormones be they exogenous or endogenous

>>41636824
As a female presenting amab, I have a girl period, where my gock leaks sticky stuff while I am asleep about every 28 days.
I think this is because I do not goon though

One time I was off hrt for like 7 or 8 weeks due to some crazy circumstances and when I got back on my balls started hurting really bad from re-atrophy and it was that in the stomach feeling you get when you got kicked in the nuts pre transition. And I was like oh maybe it's a bunch of baby trans feeling testicle death in their stomach and thinking it's period cramps and then getting really happy and posting about it.

>>41639469
You know I'm not sure if that's ever happened to me.
Like genuinely. Pre-HRT.
Am I broken?

>>41637066
Are you sure its not because youre a sub 60IQ animal who should be forced to work in a mine until he dies?

>>41639648
I think if you jerk off too much it can prevent nocturnal emissions - but it could just be a case of like hormones.

I didn't really get them until I stopped jerking off. I exclusively do prostate masturbation at this point.

>>41636824
yes it's real no we don't have a good explanation or enough data, PMS symptoms are whole-body things relating to prostaglandins and allopregnanolone in response to LH/FSH or something that is on a cycle dictated by things in the brain not the ovaries or uterus

>>41640295
>prostaglandins and allopregnanolone
Go ooooooon
>in response to LH/FSH
Both of which are probably like an order of magnitude lower than typical female of reproductive age values unless you're being hondosed

>>41640451
it's just speculation at this point on possible models for interactions that result in the predictable observations that come up right now only in the realm of anecdote, get some money together for a study and test blood levels of all these things over 3-6 months on trannies on different consistent forms of HRT and control cissies, might give insight to how it works for bio women too

as soon as you ask a trans woman period truther about them, the motivation reveals itself. it always starts with "it's not like I'm even happy with them, I hate experiencing this, I wouldn't wish this on anyone" and ends with "it's affirming to have such a female experience"

also, it's never like, passy girls who claim it. it's always Amy, 36, 6mo hrt, who spends all her time on reddit and bluesky

>>41636942
Cis women have shifts in their hormone levels from the menstral cycle. Some tranners will deliberately do weird shit to emulate this.

BUT that doesn't cause all the other shit in the period cycle to happen, so they can still be written off as nutters.

>>41640601
I didn't wanna say this but it's true ime
And that's the real opticsnuke

>>41640620
>This estrogen-mediated gonadotropin surge effect [ovulation] has also been found to occur with exogenous estrogen, including in transgender women on hormone therapy and pre-hormone therapy transgender men acutely challenged with a high dose of an estrogen, but does not occur in men, pre-hormone therapy transgender women, or transgender men on hormone therapy, hence indicating a hormonally-based sexual dimorphism.
are you sure about that? seems like our brains plus estrogen are all we need

>>41640601
Nope, it sucks like a motherfucker, I wouldnt wish it on anyone, and I dont find it to be affirming at all -- which in itself makes me question my resolve and transness.
Takes this hell away from me...

>>41642739
and it's not like our doctors know how to fix it or anything which just makes it worse

that is just some internal organ damage. not a fucking period rofl

>>41642614
How does that work if your levels are constantly above the positive feedback threshold? Some ladies are running trough values approaching or exceeding 300pg/mL.
But in any case that might--MIGHT--explain ovulation-adjacent symptoms. As could spiking estrogen like that. But we're PMSing and menstrual cramping over here.

>>41642997
yeah idk other than to say it doesn't have to be the same in everyone (in both the sense that some women undoubtedly turn the mechanism off with high levels or progesterone-this is literally the mechanism of action of birth control as well as in the sense that these set points will be different per person and probably dependent on past inputs too)

>>41636824
Who wants to have a period? You know, you can look like a pretty girl without actually being one, stupid

>>41643201
>A lot of people's injection cycles will produce surges that ought to be enough to set this off. Is everyone getting weekly LH surges?
it could also be that the mechanism somehow stops it from happening more frequently than every 20ish days or so
i've seen way too many trans girls posting completely confused at how their levels are 2x off even though they were supposedly measured at the same point in the injection cycle to not believe there's other factors at play. of course there's multiple types of estrogen in the body which are interconverted and the rate at which it's used is variable as well. my only conclusion here has been that trying to optimize and adjust after every blood test is a fools errand. so i picked a round and easy to measure number and moved on with life. unfortunately most of their doctors end up halving their dose so they can double it three months later without a hint of memory.
>Or is that mechanism muted in the setting of monotherapy estrogen doses?
probably depends on dose and frequency and is subject to considerable individual variation (as are the downstream effects of all this stuff-note some cis women lay in bed in pain for days every month and others wouldn't notice except for the need to stick a tampon in)
also while we're at it downstream effects arising from gonadotropins don't necessarily need to be mediated by estrogen/testosterone levels directly.
and yeah some science would help us all and mostly cis women but doctors prefer thinking of us as a completely different species instead of a rather unique testing opportunity (no ovaries being otherwise uncommon).

also
>Some ladies are running trough values approaching or exceeding 300pg/mL.
it's interesting that the integrated dose is often so much higher than in cis women. i understand for testosterone suppression (which is mostly from estrogen despite them telling everyone it's the damn spiro) but otherwise it seems unnecessary.

>>41643201
another one that always gets to me is when people post about how they've increased their estrogen and the measured level went down. usually explainable by supposing that most of their previous levels were just the byproducts of their testosterone production. you see something like e:50, t:300 -> e:25,t:100
what scares me is when their doctors don't seem to realize what happened and nobody seems to realize that they effectively weren't on estrogen to begin with.

>>41643430
yeah the thing is this is also going on when you're not measuring and nobody seems to want to admit of that fact. best i do myself is take what seems to be enough and move on with life.

of course if you take a random normally cycling cis woman take her hormone levels, then schedule a follow up in three months on some random day chosen by convenience of her work schedule (i.e. nothing to do with her cycle) you'll see the same shit, and if you attempt to do anything to her based on the two numbers you'll just cause harm

i think we focus too much on responding to point-in-time measurements while pretending they show way more than they do.

>>41637454
thank you anona

>>41642997
Anon, most trannies have their estrogen in 100-200 pg ml range