>>41640976
this was always the stupidest hill to die on

>>41640984
>>41640976
Trvke
I really wish reddithons didn't try to push this, it/its pronouns, etc to normies before they were ready
Some of you tried to go way too fast before their simple normgroid minds were ready

I wish fascism could solve some real problems instead of farting around in women's sports, as if anyone gives a fuck.

>>41641017
i wish trannies would police their community instead of whining about oppression, transmisogyny, and genocide every time someone dares to try and question them

>>41640984
bathrooms are worse
if you pass shut your fucking mouth and take a shit
if you dont stay the fuck out and use the mens room

non passoids gonna freak out

>>41641017
yeah i wish trump wasnt jew owned and would execute all the niggers and indians and jews and make shit cheaper and close the fucking border and repeal universal suffrage so most people couldnt vote

>>41641017
I can tell by your post that you are a reddit agp rapehon with a very impressive male frame

I need to have my musky ballsack played with while I get sucked off ngl. Don't even know why I made this thread, what a boring topic

>>41640976
can we see the scientific evidence?

They do this every Olympics and then the study is retracted "coincidentally" after the Olympics

>>41640976
No fucking surprise at all. I got beat up by trannies left and right for speaking my truth and for not 'holding the line'.

I maintained most of my male strength for years after starting hrt until I started fasting for weight cycling. That's what actually changed my body composition. Like let me make this clear; if you go on feminizing HRT and you stay on a high protein diet and run no calorie deficit, there is a really good chance you will maintain a lot of your male musculature indefinitely. It is not at all fair to cis women.

>>41641079
you, before and after bambi sleep

They should also put effort into making women wear more modest outfits, and instead make the men's look sluttier

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>>41641035
how tf am I supposed to "police" another person who sometimes may even be a paid asset with much more media reach than I, random troon?
Am I supposed to issue a memorandum to the hon central committee so they issue a fatwah against them, excommunicating them from the gender?

>>41641100
bambi sleep gives me athletic advantages?

>durrhurr we need puberty blockers because puberty irreversibly alters the body...
>...unless you're competing in sports, then you need to just do HRT to reverse any advantage you have against cis women
this was always retarded. retards always focus on muscle but just think of your height and skeletal frame

>>41641119
strong, toned slutty legs...

>>41641121
but there are also tall cis women with broad shoulders
that's kind of the problem. On average trannies have physical advantages, but we don't ban people from sports just because they have physical advantages. There are also plenty of cis female athletes who are unusually large for women

>>41641035
I think at this point we need to let the transgenders have their title. We bring back transexual, and we keep them the fuck out. Then behind the secens we secure transexual access to medical care, under the conditions that we are to assimilate and get SRS. It's a contract. They pay for our surgeries and hormones with the expectations that we are to become invisible.

I think not only that, we should go on the offensive and say if transgenders are happy keeping their dick, using it to fuck women, dont actually do low effort things like shaving, refuse to get SRS, that they shouldn't be entitled to any medical care or insurance coverage. They are just queer freaks that refuse to fit in and society can exclude them to their hearts content.

>>41641142
blah blah blah, heard it too many times. shut the fuck up.

>>41641193
cope lol
the problem here is moving away from medicalization. If we insisted that trannies had to be on hrt with good levels for 2+ years for sports, it wouldn't be an issue
but instead we have cis men "identifying" as women as a joke and saying they broke all the women's records, and people like semenya caster who has male hormone levels and refuses to take antiandrogens.

>>41641181
This is true logically but won't bad faith people will just characterize all trans people as the rapehons in that scenario?

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Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b1681efe-06d3-459b-8a2a-8d352c4eb20d?shareToken=0ff4c221fec45c63a6ba21fe55449f54
IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male

The International Olympic Committee is set to announce a ban on transgender women in female competition early next year after a science-based review of evidence about permanent physical advantages of being born male.
The IOC’s guidance to Olympic sports has until now been that transgender women can compete with reduced testosterone levels but leaves it up to individual sports to decide. That is now set to change under its new president, Kirsty Coventry, who has promised to protect the female category.
The committee’s medical and scientific director, Dr Jane Thornton, last week presented to IOC members at a meeting in Lausanne the initial findings of a science-based review into transgender athletes and competitors with differences of sexual development (DSD) competing in female sport.
Sources said the presentation by Thornton, a Canadian former Olympic rower, stated that scientific evidence showed there were physical advantages to being born male that remained with athletes, including those who had taken treatment to reduce testosterone levels.
“It was a very scientific, factual and unemotional presentation which quite clearly laid out the evidence,” one source said. Another IOC insider said there had been hugely positive feedback from IOC members about the presentation.
It is understood the IOC is likely to announce its new policy early in the new year, possibly around the IOC session at the Milan-Cortina winter Olympics in early February.

>>41641017
>as if anyone gives a fuck.
Well it turns out the world cares, isn't that enough?

why don't they just make a tranny category? they allow women and cripples to have their own

>>41641214
It still would be an issue depending on their diet and training >>41641095

Get it through your fucking demented head, the existance of freaky cis women does not give us a free pass to invade their spaces.

>>41641226
Some work remains to be done to ensure the new policy is legally watertight. Until now the IOC’s policy has been based on recommendations and guidance to sports rather than actually being part of its eligibility rules.
The ban is expected to come into force before the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics. That would avoid any clash with the US president, Donald Trump, who has signed an executive order that prevents transgender women from competing in female categories. Trump has claimed it would mean the US would deny visas for transgender athletes trying to compete in LA.
Some sports such as athletics and swimming have already brought in a ban on athletes who have been through male puberty taking part in female competition but others, including football, have not.
Coventry, a former Olympic swimmer from Zimbabwe who was elected this year, said in June: “We understand there will be differences depending on the sports. We should make the effort to place emphasis on the protection of the female category and we should ensure that this is done in consensus with all the stakeholders. But we need to do that with a scientific approach and the inclusion of the international federations who have already done a lot of work in this area.”
The new policy is also likely to cover DSD — those who were raised as girls from birth but have male chromosomes and male levels of testosterone.
That follows the huge controversy at the boxing tournament at the Paris 2024 Olympics when two boxers, Imane Khelif from Algeria and Taiwan’s Lin Yu-Ting, won gold medals despite having been disqualified from the previous year’s World Championships for allegedly failing to meet gender eligibility criteria.
World Boxing, the new international boxing federation which has been recognised by the IOC since Paris, has now introduced mandatory sex testing and has said Khelif will not be able to compete in the female category until she undergoes the test.

>>41641238
ok lets see the evidence then

>>41641117
>another person who sometimes may even be a paid asset
The person you're responding to is one of these

>>41640976
who cares, it affect like 2 person at best

wow, all of the Olympic-level athletes who post on this board must be devastated.

>>41641142
but those advantage aren't due to having been born male

>>41641214
>semenya caster who has male hormone levels and refuses to take antiandrogens.
he is male

>>41641269
you're mom calls me her olympian

>>41641095
honscience

>>41641267
Bathrooms are next genius

>>41640976
Fairness in sports is an inane concept which no one actually believes in, no one wants to ban tall basketball players for having a genetic advantage. Banning trans women from women's sports has absolutely nothing to do with fairness, they just hate trans women, don't view trans women as women, and want to segregate us from every single part of society.

>>41641254
yeah im really a research institution and I can pull a paper out of my ass. how about you prove that transwomen are consistently down to cis women levels of strength if they follow your regiment

>>41641269
all of sports ban is coming next (slip slope)

>>41641295
Is there an international bathroom committee that can make such a decision?

>>41641298
kek imagine if we separated all sports by race because some people's ethnicities give them higher chances for genetic advantaages

>>41641286
semenya caster has 5-alpha-reductase deficiency if I remember correctly, apparently born with a vagina but XY chromosomes and male hormone levels.
caster is certainly physiologically male and refuses to take antiandrogens. The conflation of people like caster and trans athletes who are far more physiologically female than caster is has been pretty damaging to the image of trans women in sports

>>41641298
no rapesticks in the locker room sweetie

>>41641314
>us govt

>>41641289
>Waaahhhhh you didnt agree with me. Waaahhhh you need to be more like reddit and repeat bullshit lies for the sake of the community

>>41641298
Are you being intentionally dishonest or do you actually think this is a good comparison? Day 1 tranny 100IQposting

>>41641329
oy vey! i think you mean the government of the holy state of israel!

>>41641226
so they banning trans men from men's sports too or what

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>>41641319
>the image of trans women in sports

>>41641267
Even one person is too many.

>>41641307
you're the one making the claim
the olympic committee says they have strong evidence, but there was never any particularly conclusive evidence before, especially because the data is tainted with issues of poor dosages and potential non-transitioners.
If there is now conclusive data that a trans woman is advantaged even after years of estrogen against a cis women with comparable skeletal structure, I would love to see it

>>41641338
lol yeah there's like 573 transmen in NFL football alone

This is the natural state of things. Awareness brings scrutiny, scrutiny brings regulation and eventually prohibition. Nobody cared about trannies in sports until very recently. Remember that the next time you celebrate whatever "awareness" week or month

hons itt don't get that athlete trannies mog athelete foids. try not subsisting on monster energy and polycule transbian cum

>>41641375
I will reiterate, who gives a fuck about woman's sports?

>>41641375
>athlete trannies mog athelete foids
has a trans athlete ever won an olympic medal?

>>41640984
I want women to admit they are weaker than men.

>>41641392
no because they're banned from competing :)

>>41641388
women

>>41640976
oh noo it's so over i was planning to go the olympics next year

>>41641418
but they were only just banned
surely a trans woman must have won at least one medal in the decades before the ban, if they're so advantaged right?

>>41641348
>WE HAVE TO HOLD THE LINE THAT TRANS WOMEN BELONG IN WOMENS SPORTS
>IF WE DONT DIE ON THIS HILL SOCIETY WILL SAY WE ARENT REAL WOMEN
?????????
>WE'LL ALL END UP IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS *sob*

This is how dumb you look from the outside

>>41641442
enjoying your post-nut regret today?

>>41641345
actually there are issues that effect hundreds and thousands of transwomen that could be focused on instead now that we are done with this shit

>>41641421
They should try getting real problems.

>>41640976
inb4
>whats the evidence
>born male correlates with being taller
>giving advantages where tall if you are tall

>>41641429
no because they havent been allowed to participate with women

>>41641503
yes they have, for decades now

>>41641117
I audibly laughed reading this, very rare.

>>41641181
taking a drillbit to your dick literally only effects you and your partner, plenty of trannies succesfully assimilate while still having a dick they don't talk about

>>41641117
Now, Imagine a right winger presented this argument to you after another right winger goes on a tirade

>>41641237
that would be fun but I don't think there are enough of us, meybe we could make something like that happen though if we choose a few sports carefully so there are enough atheletes

>>41641318
Exactly, literally unthinkable to normies. They don't give a shit about muh fairness.
>>41641334
>w-what a dishonest comparison haha isn't that so stupid haha y-you're low IQ haha
Incredulity isn't an argument

>>41641536
They changed the rule from SRS to "any HRT" in 2010 to account for that and I think its reasonable, the feds recognized dickgirls well before trans stuff was mainstream

>>41641573
why do people latch onto the srs thing so much when it's just not equivalent to female reproductive parts
id give my life savings to have an actual vagina and womb, but that's just not possible

/tttt/ posters who couldn't even make the little league team are gonna freak about this

inb4
>omg this doesn't affect anybody why do you care?
exactly. why do you care?

>>41640984
Second stupidest. Overriding parental consent and notification for minors was even dumber.

>>41641006
Their objective here wasn't reasonable to begin with.

just ban AGPs and let hussies compete

>>41641604
I don't really know, I can see the appeal but I am with you its just not elegant like HRT/FFS are. Early on doctors went with the idea that genitles must equal sex so I think they pushed it but in the 2000's I think they figured out that its kind of pointless to think that way with trannies and reserved it to being a personal choice. Ig people on here just haven't caught up and conflate 2000's era realization with 2020's era bullshit?

>>41641017
You fucked with the sportsball and sports schollarships of fat american and european clods. You get to discover how much they give a fuck.

>>41641426
exactly why does anyone even care its so dumb

>>41641559
>that would be fun but I don't think there are enough of us
but apparently we're a huge problem in sports though, especially the olympics, so
just like how they can always tell, but it's rape if they can't tell and we must disclose beforehand

>>41641214
>If we insisted that trannies had to be on hrt with good levels for 2+ years for sports, it wouldn't be an issue

Yes it would. I know you get dysphoric about any cis female space that you cant overrun like a mongol horde, but really, you would have been better off going for trans specific categories.

>>41641221
Doesn't matter. If you don't separate, they'll do it anyways.

>>41641631
yah, though some ffs does make people look like plastic dolls honestly
some people definitely need a good amount of work done, i just wish it was treated less like a cosmetic procedure and more like a medical one, i dont want art done on my face i just want a normal looking face

>>41641267
Clearly a big chunk of the entire athletic community. Especially when it comes to sports scholarships and international awards and sponsorshipxs.

>>41641604
Many places chose SRS as the standard for legal transition, to shake off everyone who was paraphillic, and to eliminate false positive diagnoses.

>>41641348
>there was never any particularly conclusive evidence before, especially because the data is tainted with issues of poor dosages and potential non-transitioners
also tainted with bad faith papeslop from paid actors that extrapolates data from cis men as a basis for trans women
>>41641442
kys

>>41641708
i probably would be willing to get it for legal transition but only if it was required, so I don't really think its nice to force it on people

>>41641726
Some states just do a doctors note that you can assimilate as a female and don't question it further, I think that is the nicest option since it keeps out the rapehons but still lets you do what you want

>>41641726
if you dont need srs in order to cure yourself of your dysphoria, then you shouldnt get it and arent even really trans wtf
youre just a crossdresser

>>41641388
The entire world apparently

>>41641726
It's not forced. You don't have to change your legal ID to change your name, or dress or presentation.

. It has the secondary benefit of making people less scared of tranny rapists.

>>41641741
Only if the doctor is held responsible for a bad diagnosis. I've seen the garbage for medical pot prescriptions.

>>41641746
i mean i don't really like it, but the living part is more important and i've never gone to surgery before so maybe im just scared since its irreversible

>>41641429
>surely a trans woman must have won at least one medal in the decades before the ban, if they're so advantaged right?
So that's part of the problem - sometimes transwomen athletes will "throw" (lose on purpose) an event because they received such a backlash when they placed first

>>41641748
Eh, only about 35 percent of what they care for about mens sports, but that's more than enough here.

>>41641775
maybe I like it? I think i have just avoided thinking about it too much and my boyfriend is fond if it i guess

>>41641495
Fun thing you say that, there's no evidence actually. It was just some sort of an "insightful presentation" that isnt posted anywhere on the internet. So all things considered the whole thing could've been pulled out of their ass as they got beaten into submission by the IBA ruzzian bucks

>>41641776
so every trans woman who has ever tried to get into the olympics threw their event on purpose?

>>41641769
if its just to keep people not afraid of tranny rapists, a better first step would be to stop slathering the media in propaganda telling people that tranny rapists are coming for them, if its still an issue after that then i guess you can force me to get srs

>>41641817
>if its just to keep people not afraid of tranny rapists,
it's not. Weren't you paying ANY fucking attention? Actually, don't bother.

>>41641860
i get you SRS weirdos on here once in a while and yeah I get it if your dick was bothering you but sometimes it sounds like buyers regret honestly

>>41641817
Trying to reframe all your problems on propaganda is pure honfidence and how we got to this situation to begin with.

>>41641708
yah but for a long time srs was really all you could do besides the horse piss meds
i think they should implement something like a hormone time requirement, and requirements to pursue laser where it's necessary (though maybe not because of the financial burden) and at least make a good attempt at voice training and presenting as a woman in day to day life
maybe it could be part of something a doctor signs on to where when you are ready you basically start a "trial period" of sorts where you can have a temporarily updated id (like a learners permit sort of) and after that's over you're allowed to change it? i think top surgery should still be a requirement for poons if they've got anything besides a really flat chest too, and they've got to be on testosterone long enough for their voice to drop to male levels. get hair growth, clitoral enlargement

>>41641982
2020 was when things went too far but SRS was far from mandatory for years before that and things were fine, I am fine with a return to 2010's era trans standards

>>41642040
Somehow when I was growing up, I just accepted that dick chicks are a thing that could exist and I never really questioned if they were men or not. It's really not that hard to accept after like, 5 minutes desu

>>41641017
Anyone notice hons constantly say the words fascism, nazism, and communism?

>>41641982
Are you even a tranny?

>>41642152
Like genuinly, if you diden't see that this crap in the last 3 years was a media frenzy then you are either fucking blind or just some dude who wandered on here to larp as a tranny. Now I blame the 2020-2022 era democrats for using us as a token minority too, that pissed people off but I don't think much of these problems were brought upon by trannies themselves, I see more twinkhons than rapehons

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>>41640976
Sports have been an optics nuke.

We jeopardized our access to HRT and obliterated trans acceptance just to defend these 3 hypermuscular hons who were stubborn enough to compete professionally.

>>41642314
well i never supported it, i cant control CNN's idea of what trannies want now can I?

>>41642314
>>41642333
I am starting to think this bullshit is a psyop because no tranny thinks of this stupid disease as a hivemind where we all act as a political bloc, we are too stupid for that and we know it

>>41641604
women are not a penetraition threat. would you be okay goong nullo instead?

>>41640984
We need stupid hills to take the brunt of attacks so that we don't have to defend the important ones.

>>41642356
Somehow I feel more comfortable going nullo but I should probably get SRS since sex is nice. Seriously though, I don't plan on raping anyone and its not really a thing that happens very often so I think we are good, no? Literally no one has to see it, this like a privacy argument.

>>41642390
Even the Chinese started just requiring an orchiectomy instead of a sex change and they are a hardcore authoritarian shithole.

>>41641388
Clearly troons do, judging from how badly they want to be rewarded for steamrolling actual women in them.
>>41641720
"BECAUSE I SAY SO!" doesn't mean there's any meaningful difference between you gooners and other men.

>>41641181
I'll just diy

>>41641631
not really what happened but okay. bascially there was a huge pushback from the queer community and neo liberals that wanted to detach sex from gender. bascially tptb wanted to get the degenerate that claims to be a woman then in the next breath proudly states they love fucking women with their dick, into the trans catagory so they cpuld fuck up the lives of transexuals.

to do this, kne of the key things they had to do was to conjure institutional support for SRS being unnecessary to be considered trans.
you need to educate yourself, you dont understand how much manipulation and politics has been at work

>>41640976
Good.
This will impact countless intersex/high-T cis women.
And barely any trans woman (the few bad apples in >>41642314)

Real trans women pick healthier activities, such as programming, music synth, and onlyfans.

Female sports are for repressing pooners and for high-T cis women that believe masculinity/muscles are good things. No wonder they're all butches.

>>41642402
How many times have you been raped by your local priest? This amount of religion induced retardation should never be seen in a human able to use any sort of internet connection

>>41641708
It's still the gold standard.

Are you willing to risk everything to be a woman?
Or will a half measure satisfy you?

If a half measure will satisfy you, how do we know that wont apply to the reat of your transition. that you wont end up half assing voice training, or social mannerisms. either you are serious and you devote your life to something or you dont.

>>41641726
it shouldnt be forced on people, but those people are not trans if they wont do it

>>41642439
Zero. But I do have working eyes.

>>41640976
i wouldnt care about this if it wasnt a part of a wave of trannyphobic extremely online moral panic, i dont want to be a pickme but i dont know any trannies that genuinely care about being able to participate in womens sports and i think if more people didnt care we could leave it to sports regulators to find compromises that put the burden of evidence on the tranner. the fundamental problem here is people caring. since there is currently an anti-trans moral panic, taking a moderate/disinterested position is seen as (and usually is) caving

>>41642477
This response indicates at least 3 times.
Do you want to talk about it, anon? Was it your father that raped you instead? A family member?

>>41642425
In other words:

This is cis-on-cis violence, statistically speaking
Hence, I don't care.

>>41641036
actually the trvke is to just use the unisex/disabled toilets and to ask for more unisex/disabled toilets to be available at venues/businesses
the second you "come out" as trans you should no longer be able to use male or female bathrooms.
(unisex/disabled bathrooms are always nicer anyway, cleaner, roomier, more features, newer)
"passing" is irrelevant
i dont want a chameleon in the room with me
its why the "what about le buck angel" always falls flat

>>41642314
true, good riddance

>>41640976
what about the non-phsyical sports at the olympics?
And didnt they allow transgender people for several decades at the olympics? are they just changing shit now over politics because the 2028 olympics is gonna be held in the usa?

>>41642356
im not mutilating myself because of your daddy issues

>>41641036
this^this
run for president please

>>41640976
We should really just have our own category

>>41641798
We can't be sure can we?

>>41640984
Except
A.) It's not stupid
B.) No one's going to die, just get assmad that they can't mog women

>>41642788
cool well you pay for your own hormones/surgeries and dont claim to be transexual. those benefits are for those that fit in

>>41643012
>im a transexual because i have my dick removed and then sewn shut so there's nothing there
hons are fucking deranged, that is disgusting

>>41642413
SRS is fucking stupid though, sure you can fuck straight guys but outside of your sex life its rather unimportant and is often an unnecessary risk

>>41643012
medically our dysphoria is indistinguishable outside of "how much I hate my dick", i guess you win the lack of dick measuring contest but medically your argument is useless

>>41643168
Requiring SRS doesn't keep out paraphillics btw, blanchard believed that HSTS were more ambivilant about the sex change than AGP's so if anything that makes me HSTS which is awesome even though i know his theories are kind of obsolete and useless outside of vanity points if you like men as a tranny

>>41643168
that's disingenuous as you're appropriating their condition. transvestites are not transsexuals because they identify as men. that's why they desist instead of completing the transition. it also exposes your own internal transphobia whereby you think they're the same as you are and invalidate the ability of a sex change to reconfigure genitals into those of the gender they identify as. a penis is a male sex characteristic. end of story. you hate post-ops cause you don't get what it means to have genuine gender dysphoria.

if you don't want srs, you don't have what they have. you're no different than a drag queen because when you've had your fill you can take womanhood off as you see it as a costume you wear in the same way as a drag queen. i real woman can be ugly. a woman isn't defined by the clothes she wears, but by her phenotype. a dick is not a female phenotype. it's that simple.

kick and scream some more.

>>41640976
who cares lol

>>41640976
Being born male bros...

>>41640984
the problem is our allies made the wrong argument
they went with "it's a tradeoff between fairness and inclusion, and we should choose inclusion"
if you ask actual trans people we'll tell you HRT has a massive impact on athletic performance i'm pretty sure it actually eliminates >100% of the male advantage in most sports after a couple years at good levels, because cis women athletes tend to have higher testosterone levels than trans women are targeting
there may be some specific sports like basketball where raw height matters enough to overwhelm this effect but it's not typical
the problem is nobody asks us
they ask cis doctors who don't know shit about us and they ask random cis women who don't know shit about us and they ask theyfabs who don't know shit about us

>>41643231
you are detached from how i see things work, so i guess you are retarded

>>41643231
holy shit I just noticed, "their". Your not even a fucking tranny haha I should have known. There are plenty of happy post ops on here and they all seem to understand non-ops, some of them even sort of regret it.

Among actually trannies, your mindset and HRT are considered much more important and the SRS decision is respected either way you need to go.

good

>>41643153
>SRS is fucking stupid though, sure you can fuck straight guys but outside of your sex life its rather unimportant and is often an unnecessary risk
If you don't hate your dick and crave to have a flat crotch, you don't actually have dysphoria. Just admit it, you are either a poser, or you are scared. It is one or the other.
I'm saying this as somebody with crippling lifelong dysphoria, fuck you, and stop trying to larp as somebody with my problems. There is no need in your life to do any of this, you are just doing it because it is fun. That's why you don't get why some of us take actual risks to fully transition.

>>41643186
The problem with this theorizing it is leaves out the burden of recovery. SRS isn't something you get out of ambivalence. It is something you have to commit to, and something you have to see through. It is signing up for months of pain and disability. It has the risk of ruining your life.

>>41643231
100% agree. You understand.

>>41643287
>>100% of the male advantage in most sports after a couple years at good levels
Mmm, no.

I started HRT with monotherapy injections. Aka went high and brought my levels down. So I started with good levels. For 24 months I did pretty much nothing except walk around my neighborhood occasionally, smoke weed, and use my computer. I did this because I wanted my upper body to atrophy. Guess what I could still do after 24 months of good levels and being a potato? I could still pick up a 35lbs weight and clean and press it over my head one handed half a dozen times.

It is a total fucking lie that good levels for 2 years reduces our strength to cis women levels. A complete fucking lie.

>>41640976
No it isnt ,this doesnt meaningfully effekt us ,OR MATTER in any way

>>41641142
>but we don't ban people from sports just because they have physical advantages
But we do segregate sports based on physical advantages. Like weight classes in combat sports or giving women their own categories so they don't have to compete against men.

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>>41641117
Maybe it's past time we form the tranny cabal/mafia/central committee?

>>41642674
>i dont want a chameleon in the room with me
then dont support trannies, because the whole point is to blend in as the opposite sex
i dont care about tranny political issues anyways so it wouldnt bother me if you stopped

>>41642854
i dont know if youd like the country if i did id holocaust most groups including ugly commie trannies but id leave the quiet passers and some cute nonpassers alone

>>41641298
>>41641563
That's not true though. There have been a number of attempts to create basketball leagues with height restrictions, like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Basketball_League
But they never do well and shut down after awhile.

>>41643727
hondosed

>>41641307
US DOD study, shows a mix of effects with performance in pushups and sit-ups being reduced to cis controls and trans women retaining a ~9% advantage in running speed (I would be curious to know if that advantage holds when you control for height, but I don't think they had the anthropometric data to investigate further)
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577

>>41643927
you stupid retard

>>41644406
>i dont want a chameleon in the room with me
>but i support the chameleon movement
lol OK bro

>>41644415
>>but i support the chameleon movement
when did i say that?
>nooo anything other than calling for troon genocide is support!
get help hon
im saying i want them away from me
literally segregated to a totally different room
god you are so dumb

>>41642029
I think that they should be judged on a panel of the cattiest junior high school girls, to get the real teenage experience, so they aren't hugboxed or pushed by chasers, and have a realistic idea of how they look. Get some makeup companies to sponor and throw in some gifts for winners and people in desperate need of help.

>>41642333
I think you have more power than you think. The number of tranners is relatively small. If you're loud enough, getting Fox News attention isn't THAT hard.

>>41642768
If the sport is non physical then why is there a gender division at all?

>>41643287
The justification for HRT is still based around the idea that it is lifesaving medication for people who will die without it. The sex drugs have been used in doping. Tranners should be seen similar to people who need prohibited drugs to stay alive.

>>41643939
The asian leagues have limitations on number of foreign atheletes, because promotoing locals is a priority. So they have the designated black american at center.

I've entertained the idea of using that rule for basketball. Honzilla at center. Everyone else is natty.

>>41643674
I don't really like the thing I think I am just scared? I did used to tuck it as a kid and pretend it wasn't there long before I really knew trooning was a thing

>>41641036
Probably the most monumental act of self-sabotage the trans community has done. And there's stiff competition. Bathrooms were thrust from the realm of unwritten-but-understood agreements that people that look the part go where they go to it now being one of the big social issue debates in a time when conservatives control all branches and have invested billions in moving the public on trans issues in particular. Trans people argue all the time "trans people have been using the restroom for ages and it wasn't a problem" to bolster their point but don't grasp that it could have remained not a problem if you just did your thing and shut up about it.

>>41644553
I thought i was uninterested i guess your right, but genuinely i don't think the risk is worthwhile for me, I just never thought about my genitles much

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>>41644561
>>41644553
Both of our situations are known as far back as 1966. In these terms I am guessing you would be over on the right, most of the people on this board are like me and are type III or IV with a few unfortunate II's who took it too far. It seems like 3 and above will attempt to live as a woman if given the chance.

>>41644601
You should read this book, he also discusses prescribing estrogen to "transvestite" neverpassers as emotionally helpful. I think the distinction between a TV and TS is considered obsolete now because the cutoff was gradual even back then and since hrt is the main thing it doesn't mean much to the doctors.

>>41644614
https://transreads.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-04-07_5ca961529c262_HarryBenjamin-TheTranssexualPhenomenon1copy.pdf

>>41644614
It's just politically unpalatable. There's absolutely paraphiles, some at the psych disorder level, so you can't just write them off and ignore them.

>>41644440
i mean if you support fags in general, trannies are an entailment of it, so good luck with that lol
>hon
try again nigger lol

>>41644556
A serious contender is supporting the boomerhon loons and jews arguing for surgeries and transing adolescents but the bathroom shit came before it and was unspoken and obvious that you just shut your fucking mouth and keep a low profile.
After that it just exploded into "btw we are transing kids" and the community never checked itself and singled out bad actors

>>41644629
I got some paraphillic feelings from crossdressing, but I also genuinely "felt" like a woman as a teenager in a distressing manner with no real sexual gratification, I only really got into crossdressing because I thought other dudes would find it hot. I think people have a lot of complicated motivations for this and its better to just focus on who wont use it to harm others and will benefit from transitioning instead of trying to decide who gets to be a tranny or not.

>>41644658
I agree. But by blanchard's beard , there's definitely different "types" of trans and trans adjacent people, and it shouldn't have to be a one size fits all approach.

>>41644656
Simply not recognizing how much a risk that behavior was to the relativively normal tranners was a mistake.

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>>41640976
I never understood—If you really love a sport, why wouldn't you just participate in male leagues?

>>41644679
And the prevailing opinion on this board is "yes actually we want to tell adolescents about trooning because when I was a kid I wanted to troon and now I wanna die because I didn't and YOU are appeasing the chuds and they WON'T accept you no matter what"

Retardation taking the exception (even among trannies that's the exception and hard to control for without massive collateral damage potential like we've seen) and making it the rule and going too far and ruining it for everyone then being indignant and unable to even understand the logic of how they fucked themselves

>>41644440
chill out dyke, go lick some ditch and beat your girlfriend up because you have penis envy

>>41644701
and if I'm being honest this is 1-to-1 with the bathroom thing... the desperate people with legitimate dysphoria under 18 will do their thing and shut up about it. DIY, work on a move to an absurdly liberal state like California that might greenlight a medical transition that early, that sort of stuff. Trying to legitimize it nationally, putting it before the god forsaken American people? Like why draw attention to the stuff we were "getting away with" already and risk getting all of that cracked down on like is happening now? Stupid...

>>41644673
certainly, proper tranny care is a bit of an art

>>41644746
it should have just been left in the dark and doctors would have kept doing whatever worked, i dont know how this got into the publics eye its not even common

>>41644746
I realized a long time ago 99% of people are stupid, this applies to this board and trannies
They're too caught up in racism, communism vs capitalism, and classism while participating in classism to realize both sides are used to corral normal people into tribes and pit them against each other while both political parties are the same entity
The pendulum will keep swinging back and forth forever to keep people divided while nothing improves for anyone. The party that gets in power because of the lunacy of its predecessor will and has ALWAYS immediately tanked its public support to justify the pendulum swinging back in an election cycle to keep people at each other's throats while the fucking country is looted by israel and the uniparty installs palantir flock cams up your ass.

And we're still fucking arguing about the gayest shit ever

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like i never gave a fuck about sports or bathrooms and ive never had a problem in the extremely red south because i'm not fucking retarded and don't whip my dick out in the women's room with a gigachad jaw
life only seems to be hard if you're a lolcow irl

>>41640984
>>41641036
this. modern troon movement was a mistake. olimpics and bathrooms were not an issue not long ago.

>>41644783
the "issue" manifesting itself and blowing up into the news has led to stuff like pedophiles using the tranny excuse to get into womens bathrooms to rape and that makes everyone look bad
i dont know how this even became an issue or why trannies HERE of all places were up in arms about it
if youre ugly bite the fucking bullet, now you all drown

>>41644802
and dying on the hill of indiscriminate self ID being the main factor, to the degree normies know about it because aydens and freaks like the bald guy in bidens admin has opened the door for anyone to put on a wig and be a freak and claim to be a victim and people keeping their head down get the blame

>>41644817
as much as i like easy hrt it would be nice if there was an official process to be a tranny

>>41644831
> "NOOOO but I don't want to wait x years to transition!!! Gatekeeping!!!"
Good. If you're dysphoric enough you'll DIY in the meantime. Consider that the first filter. If you're not even willing to do that you probably shouldn't go the medicalized route anyway.

>>41644831
DIY in the states solved this, the people chimping out about the process led to the process being a talking point
not for the process itself but because of whining that it filtered people out
>trans rights
AKA pay for our shit led to the process being developed which led to criticism of it ONLY when rapehons complained about it not being a revolving door

everything is a compromise, this is why the linetrap era was the golden age

>>41644848
How long do you think is long enough to check for conviction, I gave myself 6 months to think it over and figure out how to dress properly but idk maybe your number is different

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trannies should have gatekeep their community. and keep it transsexual/transsex not some le transgender bs. treat it like medical condition + access to diy bc doctors are shit. all that "trans positivity" activism done more damage than all MIGA altogether. also 6'4 hons should not troon. you cant pass with such height, I'm sorry but such women dont exist. at least dont encourage everyone to troon if person have 0 chances of passing.

Good.

It was a stupid, stupid hill for trans activists to choose to die on. It was known back in the 1970s that it was unfair for trans women to compete in women's sports.

Male prenatal testosterone and minipuberty are not reversed by blocking puberty.

We need access to healthcare, legal recognition of acquired sex, and protection from discrimination in employment and housing.

We do not need to complete in women's sports.

>>41644891
> at least dont encourage everyone to troon if person have 0 chances of passing.
pinkpillers are groomers who should pay for encouraging so many ogrehons to troon and retarded girls to poon. a bunch of you faggots here will agree and then go tell some rando in another thread to keep taking their HRT like that person is probably a gigahon and you are actually evil and retarded

>>41644891
i sort of agree with you but i can tell you are retarded lol

>>41644871
realistically not super long, just enough to satisfy the rubes into thinking the process is solid so they can stop whining

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>>41644891
Honestly, the "take your hrt retards" retards are responsible for this
Universal promotion of trooning to ANYONE who said "i think i wanna be a girl" has led to the tranny bubble and now it's bursting and correcting to what it always was historically, a very small percent of a percent of people

Encouraging anyone and everyone to join in has created a cascading avalanche that's burying everyone under the label, whether they legitimately belong to the label or not.

In my opinion this is caused primarily by weakness because the primary argument I see for pushing universal trooning to anyone questioning is "well im sad" or "if i didnt do it id kms (says someone who cuts themselves over stubbing their toe)

Every day there's a bunch of threads of ugly neverpassers saying "should I troon?" and every post is "yes", it's the same issue as people her calling obvious freak rapehon dudes "she" because they want to be PC tankies.

Refusal to filter and have any exclusivity has led to destruction.

put hons in concentration camps :3

>>41644921
And the sheer hostility this board shows to reppers shows the stupidity. You SHOULD want some people to rep for your own sake, and for their sake too, sometimes in their circumstance it's best. But no, you have to fucking pinkpill and treat it like a cult when someone disagrees and shit on anyone who you perceive as being outside. Well now the entire community is doomed because you retards don't understand nuance.

And this isn't even MIGA's fault, it's yours for shitting where you fucking eat

That this is even reaching 200+ posts just tells you how deranged this board is

>>41644917
>take your HRT, retards
these guys should be shot
genuinely ruined it all and cause infighting with reppers and detrooners who have serious dysphoria but simply decided not to take the leap due to their own circumstances, and shitting on them creates disharmony among the people with real dysphoria and validates the normie criticism that anyone who goes against the grain is treated like they're leaving a cult

>>41644921
>>41644925
>>41644931
>>41644942
Nobody who is unlikely to be able to pass should be given medical transition. I don't give a fuck how bad their gender dysphoria is.

>>41644939
This. Who in the everloving fuck thought it made sense ever? Anyone who thought it made sense should be put on the list of idiots for the rest of their life. They deserve to be mocked and made fun of. It shouldn’t be that hard to take that extra step to just THINK motherfucker THINK.

>Anyone who thought it made sense should be put on the list of idiots for the rest of their life. They deserve to be mocked and made fun of.

This implies we’re not allowed to make mistakes

>>41644944
2000-2015 was the golden age because barely anyone knew about this except the ones who needed it
now its a fashion trend and stealth is an impossibility for the average passer who otherwise wouldve lived a normal subtle life

>>41644951
What you call a mistake I call offensively, nay, maliciously idiotic. You are a danger to education and you NEED to be put on a list for EVER believing in something so fucking STUPID. God.

>>41644951
uh yeah youre actually NOT allowed to make mistakes that bury your constituents permanently retard
this shitty community refused to check its own members and now everyone suffers

i cant believe people thought this would last forever when it became mainstream because the fact it went mainstream was its first death throe. when it was underground it couldve lasted perpetually on the down low

now its fucked forever and you were warned about this.

>>41644944
90% of trans folk don’t pass. They’re mentally ill balding man children with stubble who put on little girl outfits

Trannies on here are crying for regulation to keep out rapehons but they don't realize that the chuds will always hate us and normies fundamentally don't care if the media doesn't tell them too. Psychologically, I think they would like some control over the situation and controlling other trannies is the only real viable option but they don't want to realize that it won't do anything to help them now. Just as the gay pedo leatherdaddy was largely a fabrication, so is the fetishistic gigahon jerking off in girls bathrooms. (The ugly autists are real though)

>>41644964
Healing and learning takes time

>>41644973
I’m going to be honest. They will always hate you for the following reasons

1. most trans folk are uneducated and not right in the head
2. what >>41644966 said

>>41644966
Correct. Nobody who looks like a physically normal male for his age should be allowed to transition to female, and vice versa. The only way to have a shot at passing is not to be physically normal for your birth sex.

>>41644951
Your mistakes cost people jobs. You ruined entire lives. You can’t just ask forgiveness or act like it was a simple mistake or misjudgement. You need to profusely apologize. This didn’t happen in just one year. It was a 10+ year long assault.

>>41644964
>i cant believe people thought this would last forever when it became mainstream because the fact it went mainstream was its first death throe. when it was underground it couldve lasted perpetually on the down low
Can anything stay underground in the modern social media/outrage media cycle? Any subtle thing is one streamer away from being made popular and then commodified.

>>41644966
>>41644980
>>41644982
The overwhelmingly vast majority of trans people don’t pass and act retarded so no matter what there will always be a horrible stereotype put forth. I don’t know why more trannies don’t try to gatekeep more and cull their numbers.

>transwoman in women’s sports!
>transwomen are real women!
>men can get pregnant!
>free immigration!
>QUEERS FOR PALESTINE
>TRANS FOR IRAN

Liberals are the enemies of mankind

>>41643915
overly political entities aren't very fembrained but something to set a truscum narrative would be nice
>>41641554
I think that's equally dumb unless they're both members of an organized group

>>41645014
As a neolib please don't accuse me of that shit. I don't agree with any of it.

Lefties can’t handle criticism or being in the wrong well, so they will stay quiet. It’s just how it is. They have zero accountability. When some drugged out criminal is “murdered” they (liberals) will call for riots in the streets, but will stay quiet when they vandalize shops and flip over cars.

>>41644973
> gay pedo leatherdaddy was largely a fabrication
Nah there propaganda was just far, far better. They had a lot of help from hollywood, but in a meritocracy L, B, and T would have gotten acceptance before G. Trans people do not compare to the sheer degeneracy and boatload of paraphilias attached to the average gay man. It's not even close.

>>41645030
The amount of you that go along with it is unreal, however. I can no longer trust the left on anything. A year ago they could have been a completely different and insane person. They figure out their error and they act like they never supported Palestine.

>>41645041
What’s really fucked up is that this guy is completely lucid in the head (not the body) and STILL went through with it………

>>41645038
I'm just in it for the economic policies. I like money. I want to go back to 2013 for the trans stuff.

>>41645052
>I want to go back to 2013 for the trans stuff
so when trannies were allowed in sports?

“Um ackchually men do give birth”
“Um ackchually sex isn’t binary”
“Um ackchually you’re fascist”

Weird how the pro social science and “hail the heckin science” crowd is the worst at it

>>41645059
It blows my mind that retarded trannies cannot parse the binary reality that is gametes. They don’t even know what the prefix bi- means. “It’s bimodal not binary”. What the actual fuck.

>>41645014
Agreed, libtards are fucking dangerous for the world, they act so left and progressive but its all a hood to hide their greed and will to do anything for profit. they actually have no opinion, they are the mercenaries of the political landscape

>>41645056
No. Neither I nor any of the troons I know have any interest in women's sports.

>>41645066
but trannies have been allowed in women's sports for basically forever. I the olympics stopped doing chromosome tests in like the 60s or something because too many athletes were discovering intersex conditions
the argument against trannies in women's sports is the same as the one against trannies in women's bathrooms by the way

>>41645014
>>41645065
They’re also shockingly similar to Muslims and their extremism, and yet they could not be more opposed in ideology in so many areas. I still find it so weird how liberals can associate with terrorists.

I seriously don’t know how to trust people anymore. I live in Canada and like a year ago my neighbours had “Fuck Trudeau” stickers on their barns and on their trucks but then suddenly they call him a saint for wasting more billions by throwing it at Ukraine. They panic at a Trump joke and vote for Trudeau’s party back in right after. They’re not real people.

>>41645098
It’s all a game.

>>41645014
>>transwoman in women’s sports!
>>transwomen are real women!
these are transmed positions thoughbeit
"trans women are female" was the traditional argument, and trans women were allowed in women's sports when that was the party line.
"trans women identify as women but are Biologically Male" is the modern argument, and now trannies can't be in sports

>>41643287
>i'm pretty sure it actually eliminates 100% of the male advantage in most sports
the entire point of these findings is that this line that every tranny has been parroting is wrong like everyone already knew

>>41645140
there were no findings
it was a private presentation to the olympic committee done by some sports scientist with no background in trans medicine

>>41645148
its the director of science for the IOC and sports science is the most relevant field to comment on this lets not be disingenuous
>no background in trans medicine
be fr right now
you are delusional its that simple

>>41645210
ok lets see the findings then
it might be slightly more believable if a tranny had ever won an olympic medal

>>41644520
Because women are less intelligent. :-)

>>41645215
…
good luck man

>>41643727
you were hon dosed
i literally had to train with fucking buckets of rice to have enough grip strength to open water bottles

>>41641796
Funny how nobody talks about that

>>41645210
>director of science for the IOC
only appointed in the past year btw
>is the most relevant field to comment on this
why is she so afraid to post her "presentation" then?

>>41645014
ill make one for nazis err i mean republicans

>vote for this pedophile convicted sexual assault felon
>but hes bankrupted even a casino
>he fucked LITERAL CHILDREN
>all of his friends FUCKED LITERAL CHILDREN
>he took your foodstamps away which is mostly rightwing hicks in Kansas
>he took away your rural hospitals which is mostly a republican nazi
>he drowned your children by firing the weather people
>he gave your money in the billions to other countries
>he used chemical weapons on united states citizens
>he cut off medical care for your grandparents
>he gave money to the jews in israel while your white kids go without
>he took away 30% of the value of the dollar
>he made everything cost 100% more through tarriffs on top of this
>he built a ball room and went on vacation while us citizens starved
>he made your health insurance costs go from $800 up to $4000
>his party promotes CHILD MARRIAGE
>he took away abortions away from little girls when they get RAPED BY PEDOPHILES

Is this enough for you fucking pedophile worshiping niggers yet

>>41645041
>>41645049
>be trans
>a piece of shit wrecks his car into you
>you are now handicapped

>republican baby fuckers:
>"DEY B TRANSIN DA RETARDS N SHEEEEIT"

>>41645064
cells are regulated by hormones
>muh gametes were so powerful they stopped my fat from becoming breasts through sheer masculine power n oats n squatz

>>41645064
Gametes are kind of funny since it implies post-menopausal women lose their biological sex, which I suppose makes sense in a way. Probably wouldn't fit our society very well though.

>>41645571
yes and if you cut off a republican pedo's balls then by his own tard logic, he becomes transgender and is thus a terrorist and must be tried for his pro terrorism involvement in trantifa as his lack of gametes confirms his membership in the terrorism transgenda

O is for Onudda man's anoose

>>41645064
>They don’t even know what the prefix bi- means. “It’s bimodal not binary”. What the actual fuck.
Are you unironically retarded? I feel like i am speaking with somebody that has the mental capacities of a first grader

>>41640976
>scientific advantages of being born male
like being better at being a girl?

>>41645543
Retard.
>>41645571
Well, no, since it’s the developmental path for the production of gametes that determines whether you’re leaning to one side or the other, even if you end up unable to produce them. If your developmental path *for reproduction* is compromised in any way, then you’re an outlier biological error not some third development. Even if you have to squint to see it.

This is technically because it’s impossible for someone to produce both types of gametes. The development of the production of either gamete is actually antagonistic towards the other. It’s just how it is.

So a woman's entire value is her gametes? How very feminist.

>trust the science
>nooo not like that

>>41645682
There are arguments that bimodal is just pretentious splitting of hairs. Both binary and bimodal effectively describe a situation with only two possible states or categories, making the distinction seem trivial in practical application. The perceived subtle difference in the terms' strict definitions may be considered insignificant by those focused on the common outcome of duality. Because at the end of the day the bi- prefix just means two.

>>41646764
You’re really just ignoring the causal aspect of this? Humans develop. They don’t just magically manifest instantaneously. Whether or not you can produce gametes at the end upon your maturity isn’t what determines your sex, it’s the developmental path you’re on for the production of those gametes.

Do you really think a human life born without the ability to reproduce is what life wants? If you respond to me with “life doesn’t care about anything”, then you’re half correct and half retarded.

>>41646817
So a woman's entire value is her tits and cunt? How very feminist.

>>41646764
>>41646868
the reason women have a separate category is that sexual dimorphism is real and people can't ignore that. to completely ignore the biological reality that women are weaker is to be delusional, not to be a feminist

>>41646881
Good to know that men make better women than women do. Males truly are superior.

>>41646817
>what life wants
forget wants or needs, which is just an anthropomorphization of the process of reproduction here. there is just absolutely no room to permit transgression against moral beings (i.e. trans people) in the service of moral non-beings (i.e. transcendental reproduction). what the "goal" of life may be is utterly irrelevant. it's a non-factor. it accounts for nothing in the scale of justice.

>>41646881
and why are women weaker? what is the material basis for their weakness? isn't it due to physiological differences mediated by sex-specific gene expression based on an individual's dominant sex hormone? and don't trans women have the same dominant sex hormone as cis women? hmmm, much to ponder

>>41647013
Literally everything a woman can do a man can do better.

>>41647013
>it’s the “nooo life doesn’t have a goal nooo” fag
You’re so cooked. You truly hate evolution or something. You do not want to see the eerie sophistication in nature even when it’s disturbingly bottlenecked.

>>41646793
>pretentious splitting of hairs
as compared to toddler-like sperging about "ONLY LE ONE OR LE OTHER"?
>>41647036
> You truly hate evolution or something.
you posess a christnigger understanding of evolution. All it is is a bunch of mutations, that (provided they don't kill the organism or render it unable to reproduce) get passed down to the offspring. There is no "conscious design" in evolution, simply the option that could "survive" through generations stays. Sometimes these options are extensively retarded, sometimes they are useful.

>>41641036
this is the unfortunate truth

>>41645489
I literally was not hon dosed. Read my post again, I am kn monotherapy. At my 60 day blood test I was at 900E 40T. We dropped the dose down and since then my E level has been between 190-325 with my T below 30.

Im sorry my experience doesnt fit your narrative.

>>41644698
They DEMAND to be in the female space. And nothing else will be satisfactory.

>>41641618
>Overriding parental consent and notification for minors was even dumber.
If you want them to be abused by their phobe parents and have their bodies turn out permanently dysphoric sure

>>41647086
Correct. There is no conscious design. Therefore its goal is only to run. To continue. The purest goal of all. The idea to at a goal requires a consciousness is piss by the way. You’re just butthurt about not being able to appreciate the chaotic variables(order) of reality. You don’t want to accept that the purpose of life is to live, to continue, and to propagate more life. Because you don’t want to accept the binary reality of it.

>>41647086
>he thinks evolutionary logic is cuckhristian logic

In humans and most animal species, there are only two types of gametes: the sperm (male) and the egg or ovum (female). There is no third type of gamete or a third corresponding developmental path for sexual reproduction.

The fundamental distinction in biological sex is based on the type of gamete an individual's reproductive organs are organized to produce:

— Sperm cells are small, motile (can move), and produced in large numbers. The developmental process is called spermatogenesis.

— Egg cells (ova) are large, non-motile, and produced in smaller numbers. The developmental process is called oogenesis.

The fusion of one sperm and one egg cell during fertilization forms a zygote, which then develops into a new individual.
While some simple organisms like certain fungi and algae exhibit isogamy (where gametes are of similar size and not classified as male or female, but as "+" or "-" mating types), complex organisms like humans use anisogamy (unequally sized gametes). In anisogamy, the existence of a third, intermediate gamete type is not observed in nature.

>>41647263
If it's abuse, fucking prove it, and have them taken away from their parents. This shit was literally described as a conspiracy theory about teachers grooming kids and hiding it from parents, and now it's being backed as policy. Go second amendment to protect the kids from abuse if you really fucking believe it, because that's the level of objection here.

>>41647228
Natal females DEMAND special treatment, not fair competition against other humans.

>>41647712
Hons teaming up with r9k woman haters is rich.

>>41640976
literally who gives a single shit about this gay ass sportsball nonsense man

>>41647740
>everyone i disagree with is a hon!

>>41647748
middle-aged professional feminists worried about their decreasing relevance

>>41647748
Being a woman, I don't think you understand just how big sportsball is in america and europe. Particularly when it touches money like school scholarships or national pride. Women doping on T has been a meme for decadeds, even back when Germany was divided. And males sneaking into the womens divisions has been a thing since the invention of womens divisions.

>>41647811
Nah. The only women's sports that most people care about are the ones that exist as an excuse to show off the participants as eyecandy. If people want to see athletic excellence, they watch men's sports.

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>>41647811
>a gag from 19 years ago

>>41647945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn4XFMVyaBQ
Comedy from the 1980s.

News story about what they did in the 60's and 70's.
https://www.dw.com/en/the-victims-of-east-germanys-doping-program-are-still-suffering/a-18038630

>>41647428
>purpose
why assume life has a purpose in the first place?
>>41647466
that is not evolutionary logic, because evolution has no purpose. It's a byproduct of gene structure and an organism's desire to continue living (whether primarily or secondarily)

>>41648014
That was my point. Futurama was only using it because the story was so old it was safe. This has been a scandal in the public eye for a loooong time.

>>41646881
Why gets me mad about these "sports" decisions is people argue with that as if it was at the center of the debate, when in reality it really isn't. Yes, men and women perform differently in sports. But where do professionnal trans athletes fit in that model ? No one is able to tell precisely. There have been studies but either the population of the study is too small (I've even seen a antitrans study with quite a lot of quotations that referenced a study with a population of one ...), or the trans population of the study are not top athletes, or both. Either way, no study yet shows the difference of performance in professional trans athletes who got on hormones before puberty and after. If bone structure is such a big thing, why is puberty never taken into account ? Because no one knows precisely what's up. Before the crack down on transhood in the US/UK, nobody really cared and most studies where insufficient but pointed toward no real difference in performance between trans and cis women. Since the crack down, no new studies have been conducted but people started interpreting them differently, for the most part bending it all to fit their political views.
It was never about the science behind it.
Not only the science is insufficient to draw conclusions, there weren't really any problem with the current policies. No trans woman is at the top of their sport. No record is being held by a trans woman. The only complaints happened in one or two cases over the world and the decades and both times the cis woman involved already hated trans women before and lost to one of them. The idea that """men""" are stealing medals from women is just a pretty idea but it is backed by absolutely no facts and is only popular because it "sounds right" and because nobody on the far-right watches women sports. (1/2)

>>41644746
>the desperate people with legitimate dysphoria under 18 will do their thing and shut up about it. DIY, work on a move to an absurdly liberal state like California
right yeah, teenage trannies who ran away from home to take illegal drugs. can't see anything wrong with that! WHO COULD WANT TRANS TEENAGERS HAVING THE CHANCE FOR A NORMAL LIFE OR ACCEPTING FAMILY! NOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENED TO TEENAGERS THAT LIVE ON THEIR OWN

>>41644768
If I could make everyone in the world internalize a single 4chan post it would be this one
Even some of the most fixated normies will get smacked with a moment of self-awareness when they realize it's been 10 years of the country falling apart while they scream about "man in dress"

>>41648107
In portland, at the high school level, we had a trans track athelete competing against women prior to starting hrt. It made the news. You are disingenuously minimizing the problem.

>>41648107
But EVEN IF trans women had an advantage in some sports, the committees' decision doesn't make sense on account of the mission of those international organisations and every solution that they could have gone for. Isn't the goal of the Olympics, the athletics organisation etc to create a space where everyone can perform fairly and to promote their sports ? How is excluding a whole group of people fair in any way ? And isn't banning a whole group of people the exact opposite of promoting your sport ? Why didn't they go for more moderate solutions, like conducting extensive studies to back their claims or even giving a malus to trans women to even things out ? Maybe rule that only pre-puberty trans women get to compete at least ? Or rule that trans women can only compete with people of the same height class ? Or say that only trans women after 5+ years of HRT can compete ?
None of that was chosen.
They chose the most radical, unfair and inhuman solution not because they care about the sport, but because the conclusion was drawn out before the study even started. The conclusion was that trans women need to be ban, because they make right-wingers uncomfortable. Then they build a rethoric and bent the studies to justify the conclusion. That's the only way of seeing it that makes sense. Any other justification other than that is just mystification, as far as I know.

>>41648163
Yeah but the thing is, the international policy before was that you had to be minimum on one or two years hrt to compete. Scientific evidence also pointed in that direction. Thing is, antitrans activism today is NOT lobbying for setting that rule in all context, they are lobbying to actually BAN trans people, altogether, all of them, hrt or not. That's the big difference. Getting on or of HRT is something you can do and trans people do it for some practical reasons (e.g. conceiving children) but you cannot choose to not be trans and you cannot change your chromosones or whatever
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>>41648114
>Look at this exception to the rule! It's the rule!
Yes, yes, there's going to be collateral damage no what.
You can sacrifice some for the sake of many, or everyone for nobody's benefit.
You've gotten us the latter.

Great job nigger. You know what 'per capita' is?

Those teenagers could also just wait. It's an imperfect world and you're not going to make it any better. Touching anyone under 18 nuked you and you still haven't learned.

>>41648339
house slave mentality
I bet you think you really showed 'em with that vegeta pic you keep on your drive to end legbut debates

>>41648333
none of this impacted me because i just diy'd and kept my head down and nobody treated me bad even in the reddest place imaginable because i wasn't a walking stereotype and i can socialize with anyone without making them want to kill me
ban everything, it won't impact me. the truth is like the other anons said:
>most trannies don't pass and are mentally ill and socially retarded or outright unhinged so there will always be a bad stereotype put forth unless there's some serious culling

>>41641036
In the future every trans woman will have the exclusive right to shit and piss where ever the fuck they want, including on your mothers grave, as reperations for this discourse taking up so much time from everyone

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>>41648402
You don't even have a mentality, you're retarded and can't reason or think strategically for the sake of your own individual survival and quality of life. Morons like you led to this.
The vast majority of trannies aren't running away from home to shoot up estrogen. Give me a break with that retarded strawman you made up.
>>41648430
That future is way way way beyond your lifetime if it even has an actual chance.

>>41648402
>>41648430
excellent examples of this >>41644980
>uneducated and not right in the head
every time
your people would be better off if you both bought guns and killed yourselves RIGHT NOW

>>41648476
bahaha they got u good don't get all
>no U are!!!

>>41648411
> most trannies don't pass
people only notice the ones that don't pass
> and are mentally ill
untrue, also they are mentally ill because of the oppression, lack of care and support. Anyone who lived in those conditions would have gone the same way. It's not trans women specific
>socially retarded
lots of people are like that and are fine, also people in the real world (outside fourchan) know more and more about it and acknowledge it
> ban everything, it won't impact me
yeah I mean I fully understand people who keep a low profile politically for self preservation but at the same time if we as a group never defend our rights then everything could go south very bad very quick, as history as shown multiple times and not so long ago. What'll happen when every DIY lab gets shutdown by government ? What if they enforce mandatory regular blood tests to get a regular job ? What if they ban trans titties ? Would it still be worth it to keep a low profile ?

>>41648476
> You don't even have a mentality
> doesn't reflect on the post they reply to
> repeats what they already said with no modification
> calls other people retards
nothing else to say really, re-read what I said and what it means and come back to me after

>>41648485
> no reasoning, no arguments

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everything self corrects, the natural filter is back, the great culling has begun.
/thread

>>41648564
>people only notice the ones that don't pass
the ones who think they "pass" only notice the people who are being polite to them

Thread still up?

>>41650230
just barely