AGP is caused by estrogen receptor defects resulting in incomplete prenatal defeminization of the brain.

>>41678360
That makes no sense, considering that AGPs grow up gender conforming with male typical interests and socialization, and are more leaning towards autistic straight maleness.

This seems more like a rationalization of the autogynephilic fantasy of being female.

>>41678444
hence the thing with incompleteness, the interests and whatever masculinized but the part with own body recognition didn't

>>41678322
>Is AGP caused by an unconscious inability to tolerate femininity within oneself?
Yes. Feminity is to some extent natural but also conflicts with a man's ego. When a man rejects feminity as a whole to protect the ego the pleasurable aspects are repressed into the unconcious whence they return as uncontrollable erotic urges.

>>41678444
In normal males, the brain undergoes both masculinization (from androgens) and defeminization (from estrogens). Normal females don't have significant amounts of either sex hormone prenatally.

AGP arises from a brain phenotype that is masculinized but not fully defeminized.

>>41678563
You could make the case that this may play a role in some cases of homosexuality, but not AGP. AGP is a form of straight male sexuality in the end, which is grounded in a typical male gender identity experience, where femaleness is affectively desintegrated as "other", thereby creating the capacity for gynephilic arousal. This is not consistent with the idea that the brain is somehow feminized, as there’s no true childhood cross gender identification in AGPs like in homosexual men.

>>41678546
This would also explain the autogynephilic obsession with "getting in touch with one’s feminine side", beyond eroticism.

>>41678322
>possibly rooted in childhood trauma.
Yes.
I believe it. It's a protective response to emotional abuse and negligence. It's a thing our mind created to make us feel loved and protected in an environment of conditional affection.
AGP is a refuge, a safe place to experience love and protection. It becomes sexual in puberty because of hormones

>>41678660
>AGP is a form of straight male sexuality in the end, which is grounded in a typical male gender identity experience, where femaleness is affectively desintegrated as "other", thereby creating the capacity for gynephilic arousal


> Be a flaming sissy
> Still straight

Wat

>>41678660
Idk how straight I am getting hard when kissing a man, like I feel like that's a bit of a stretch to call it a typical straight male experience.
Even if you impose some meta-attraction where I'm so attracted to women that I'm attracted to men, I think that requires more hoops than just incomplete brain development.

>>41678660
>AGP is a form of straight male sexuality in the end,
lol no. straight men are almost all AAP and if you don't have orthodox blanchardite brainworms this is super obvious.
blanchard inadvertently struck gold with his notion of AGP but then refused to keep digging in the right directions by rejecting the idea of AAP entirely and the idea that AGP could exist in cis women. meta-attraction is a significant part of how ordinary heterosexuality works.

>>41678828
Not same anon
I don't think brain development has anything to do with AGP
I think AGP is a post natal adaptation to a certain kind of emotional environment

>>41678837
So straight males jerk off to themselves in he mirror? To their beard and muscles??

>>41678815
Yes, cross gender behavior rooted in eroticism is very different in origin and expression from cross gender behavior in homosexuality. Homosexuals are the true sissies, developmentally speaking, while in AGP, structural gender non conformity arises only out of erotic and romantic desire.

>>41678853
Most AGPs don't jack off in front of the mirror either so, in fact I've seen more stuff with cis women doing that

Also guys are definitely attracted to their cocks in a sense, they love it, love thinking about stuff with it and all that. And there definitely are men who have flexed their muscles in front of a mirror, don't you think?

>>41678890
>Most AGPs don't jack off in front of the mirror either
So you have data
because the majority of agps I've met jerk off to themselves

>>41678837
AAP as in autoandrophilia? That’s an expression of homosexuality common in homosexual men, think gay fetishism around hypermasculinity. Straight men are gynephilic

>>41678890
>And there definitely are men who have flexed their muscles in front of a mirror, don't you think?
Those are gays and closet gays

>>41678890
>And there definitely are men who have flexed their muscles in front of a mirror, don't you think?
Yes but not because they’re sexually aroused by it

>>41678901
I don't know what this jerking off to themselves entails, like a fantasy that involves me in a feminine body? Then yeah I've definitely done that

>>41678921
Maybe not enough to get their dicks hard but I'm pretty sure many have mild sexual satisfaction out of feeling masculine like that, like why else even do it?

>>41678853
not even blanchard thinks that's the only possible expression of A(X)P
i know a lot of straight guys who will admit to relating to the scene in american psycho where bateman fucks a woman while watching himself in the mirror

>>41678876
>>41678563
>>41678911
>>41678969

AGP transgender women do not show any female shift in the structure of the brain, however they do show differnces from both Normal men and women in having reduced thalamus and putamen volumes and elevated GM volumes in theright insular and inferior frontal cortex ...... which are the areas in the brain involved in the perception of the self

>>41678985
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21467211/

>>41678949
>I don't know what this jerking off to themselves entails, like a fantasy that involves me in a feminine body? Then yeah I've definitely done that
It's like getting naked in front of a mirror and getting hard by looking and your body and by acting feminine. Full agp experience is dressing up, wear make up and getting rock hard boners and edge to yourself in the mirror while you cares your body and do sexy poses. I'm hard just typing this remembering my self sex sessions... I might do it tonight... Lingerie, make up...

>>41678985
This is possible, but perhaps that wiring happened after birth as an adaptation response

>>41679025
Yeah no, my boner makes me cry if I try to do that

>>41679043
>Yeah no, my boner makes me cry if I try to do that
Why babyyy?

>>41679102
cuz I fucking hate my dick because of my turbo agp

>>41678985
>AGP transgender women do not show any female shift in the structure of the brain
because "AGP" is classified by outdated blanchardian two-types theory based on sexual orientation and the cis f group used as the baseline for determining what a "female brain" is is uniformly straight
you cannot study the question of feminization/masculinization of trans brains without taking sexual orientation into account. you want to look at all the possible combinations and build your model based on that, not base it on assuming cishet women are the platonic ideal of a female brain

>>41679125
But if it gives you pleasure, why do you hate it?? Sex is good, it's a pleasurable part of life, it brings us joy.

>>41679185
>outdated blanchardian two-types theory based on sexual orientation
The fact that is outdated doesn't make it wrong.

>>41679433
it brings me dysphoria, not so much pleasure. it gets in the way with everything, getting hard is just unpleasant and painful and i want to feel dick inside my pussy

>>41678322
I dunno. I first put on panties for erotic stimulation when I was 9 or 10. For me, it seemed to come from an adoration of women. I was hypersexual and absolutely enamored with women...and putting on panties was a way to feel closer to them somehow, to feel feminine and sexy was a way to scratch the itch of needing some feminity in my life. Of course, I never devloped dysphoria and became a fully functioning cis het male in society....but never lost the agp itch.

I got it from pissing off reality.

>>41678322
what is the prevalence of agp in male population btw?
assuming every crossie is an agp is kinda weird to me

>>41679467
Ok. Thanks, baby. I get it.
I'm sad it makes you feel bad

>>41679494
Most of us went through something similar. It's a way to get close to female beauty

>>41679564
good luck trying to get any decent estimates on this shit, depends wildly on how you define it

>>41679447
it's not incorrect because it's outdated
it's outdated because it's incorrect, in a way that even blanchard as of 2025 accepts. there can be trans women with AGP who are only interested in having male partners. studies that use self-identification as lesbian or bisexual to assign the "AGP" label are therefore not adequately applying the model.
separately, and more importantly, these studies use a model of the female brain that is derived exclusively from looking at the brains of heterosexual women and heterosexual men. we have an unaccounted for source of variation when we compare cis straight women to trans lesbian/bisexual women. the only way to account for this is to build another model based on cis les women and another based on cis bi women (and let's do gay/bi men while we're at it).

>>41678322
As soon as i learned what dicks were for i became insatiably curious what the female experience felt like. Just this absolutely unstoppable drive to know. I tried to disregard it and have male experiences but I found them fundamentally bland and unfulfilling. Felt like winning prizes I didn't want.

I have absolutely no idea where that comes from.

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>>41678360
Run that by me again, this time in English, geek
>>41678322
Hmm well I had a sister who had severe OCD and autism and enforced strict rules about it what I could or couldn't touch because she felt I was 'dirty" so... Could that be the source of my agp?

>>41679954
Why does this WebM trigger our AGP so hard, girls?

>>41679589
but I never thought I was a woman nor did I really want to be one. I just had/have a vivid imagination so it was fun to larp

>>41680544
It sounds like you enjoyed it.
Do you think you're like a female in spirit?

>>41679025
I think im AGP until I read stuff like this. Like I get a very unique thrill out of seeing myself after 3 years of hrt. But its a combination of sensual and profound relief, not sexual.

>>41681034
>But its a combination of sensual and profound relief
It's ok, baby.
The word "Philia" means love in Greek, so you can see it as loving yourself without the sex thing. But I don't see sex as dirty or obscene, so I don't think my AGP arousal is bad, it's just a part of me and it's beautiful.

I've done cd in private before but am exploring life as sorta enby, is that still AGP?

>>41681098
Im not sure if there is an element of love there or not. Im also so used to numbing out over my appearance, that might cloud my results.

I can say for sure it doesnt have a sexual element tho. The sexual element of my transition is getting SRS and becoming a really fun/beloved bottom for a deserving top. The idea of bottoming for another, being hard locked into that role by my physicality, thays where my sexuality really is. My appearance is more or less a means to that end.

>>41681271
AGP= love for one self as feminine
As long as it is love for being feminine, it's agp

>>41681413
>I can say for sure it doesnt have a sexual element tho. The sexual element of my transition is getting SRS and becoming a really fun/beloved bottom for a deserving top. The idea of bottoming for another, being hard locked into that role by my physicality, thays where my sexuality really is. My appearance is more or less a means to that end.
What about backdoor sex? You still can bottom from there

>>41681634
that's too bad since there is a very negative connotation to that

>>41681680
From whom?
Who has a negative connotation?

>>41681413
This is what makes me skeptical. It's really all just sexual roles people are coerced into, isn't it. The compulsion that people should not have a choice. All the talk of forcefemming. Force, force, force.

>>41681650
Anal is disgusting and for gays. No thanks!

>>41681850
Prior to transitioning I explored being gay and it completely wasn't for me. I was viserally disgusted by intimacy with men. My life would have been waaay fucking easier if I were gay.

Also prior to transition I tried being straight. I found my only true interest in women was studying their bodies and experiences so I could better imagine wgat it was like. I didnt really have romatic interest in them. I tried to strike a middle ground of 'friends who fuck', but even stillI felt very aware of the act I was putting on to hide my true interest and keep them around. I was interested in being intimate and foreplay but sex was not fun for me.

After transition men, male features, and the thought of getting intimate with a man, him having his way with me are increidbly hot. Behing his... unffff. I could see maybe having fun with a woman but it would be more intimacy and foreplay than anything else. To me this is a way healthier and more normal sexuality. It feels like healing something broken, putting things to how they should be.

>>41678837
I strongly believe this seeing as I'm a weirdo who's been able to feel some level of sexual attraction to myself as a man. I don't know, it's not all black and white it's something I can hardly make sense of. There is that other attraction feeling maybe to an extent but I'm very much still attracted to men. There's wishing for others to be attracted to me a certain way. And even more there's that nonsexual component of wanting people to see me a certain way in every day contexts that isn't dependent at all on a romantic partner.

>>41681855
You just have to learn how to clean it and keep it clean. And why is it "for gays"? Are you homophobic?

>>41682415
Im not homophobic, but I do find the reality of two men going at eachother viscerally disgusting. I also find eating ass disgusting. Scat play disgusting. Bascially anything using the ass besides its intended purpose grosses me out.

Shit does indeed come from there.

>>41683139
>eating ass disgusting
I give you that
But if you're a girl, than the disgust of "two men going at each other" doesn't apply. Girls have asses. If you're a girl and a guy fucks you in your ass, it wouldn't be gay

>>41683139
>Shit does indeed come from there.
Yes.
It's a downside. But I think "women pee front their pussies. And bleed, and sometimes it discharges stinky stuff".
Ok, not the same, but I do like my penis's and I wanna feel a dick inside me

>>41683139
I just don't like things going in my ass. It's not enjoyable for me and its painful.

>>41683754
I understand
It used to be like that for me
But the desire of embodying the female role of welcoming an erect penis and make it feel good inside me and having it fill my insides was too strong so I committed myself to train and train my ass muscles tho make it enjoyable.
And it happened.
But I still haven't found the right guy who will take my virginity... I hope it can happen soon