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If trannies are actually gay men, why was I extremely unhappy as both a straight and gay boy, but extremely happy now as someone with female secondary sex characteristics and genital anatomy who is perceived to be a woman?
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Because you're an autogynephile.
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>>41682930
when the first response is comprehensive and answers the original poster completely leaving no more discussion to be had
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>>41682930
but i do not experience attraction to myself, the decision to transition was entirely non-sexual for me
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>>41682947
all transitions are sexual in nature and origin
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>>41682986
your view is misaligned with every structured inquiry into the topic that's been made in the past 50 years.
People used to think this but then we looked closer and it was obviously wrong, at least make points in good faith
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>>41682947
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/GID_Men.pdf
read the section on asexual and analloerotic gender dysphoria
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>>41683006
you talk like an AGP
gay fruity men don't act this way
ur whole act is stolen valor
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>>41683024
blanchard is talking about asexuals here, which i have never claimed to be. I experience sexual attraction but it's exclusive to men and not myself as a woman lol. You're linking me blanchard to support your point that i'm agp but he would classify my as hsts
Also, are you forgetting his methodology was thrown out like a year after his shit was published? why is he jesus to you guys
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>>41683037
the gay fruity man thing is a performance and not the correct way to identify hsts
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>>41683061
congrats, you're meta attracted. you said yourself that you weren't happy as a gay boy. that can only mean that your attraction to men now is because it feeds into your need to view yourself as female.
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>>41683068
>being gay isn't real
wow an agp being homophobic, I thought I'd never live to see it
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>>41683079
false, I was totally happy having sex with men as a gay boy. I was unhappy going home and breaking down when i saw my face in the mirror. Explain?
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>>41683083
>everyone is the same person
that wasn't me retard but you're even misinterpreting their point. they were saying that in hsts the gay thing is an assimilationist compulsion in them, blanchard's whole point was that they end up behaving like straight women when acclimated to life as a straight woman
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>>41683086
autoandrophobia, a common aspect of autogynephilia
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>>41683103
gay men are often born acting fem
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>>41683107
fem =/= fruity
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>>41683104
*common comorbid behavior, that itself would not be an "aspect"
but this still makes no sense because I'm not attracted to myself as a woman. in fact, i kind of experienced aap when i looked male.
>>41683107
yup just like trannies lol, as early as 4 i was insisting
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>>41683118
>i kind of experienced aap when i looked male.
>>41683086
>breaking down when i saw my face in the mirror
pick one

>yup just like trannies lol, as early as 4 i was insisting
early onset agp exists
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>>41683113
fem = fruity
what you think of as fem is probably that AGP artificial flavor acted version that comes off as uncanny
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>>41683148
you've spent too much time watching fussy larpers, who are agp and desperate to hide it
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>>41683137
>pick one
you can have both. I was distraught over my appearance but this doesn't mean i was incapable of viewing it as an attractive male
>early onset agp exists
you think i was crying about having to get haircuts and stuff at FOUR YEARS OLD because it was turning me on? YOU are a CREEEEEP lololol what are you even saying???? kekekekeke
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>>41683159
strawman. agp is not sexual in prepubescent children. same way prepubescent children can develop platonic crushes on their peers, agp children develop platonic crushes on the idea of themselves as girls
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>>41683183
why then was I exclusively having crushes on boys? you need to learn to apply occam's razor, this is quite possibly the furthest reach you could be making lol
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>>41682901
Actual HSTS accept being male and try desperately to make it work. When puberty fails to masculinize them enough for them to make it as men, they troon out. You have mentioned NOTHING about having been physically hypomasculine.
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>>41683211
I WAS KEKEKKEKEE YOU ARE PROVING ME RIGHT!
I WAS LITERALLY HYPOGONADAL HAAHAHAHA YOU GUYS WALK RIGHT INTO IT EVERY TIME
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>>41683222
Then you'd have mentioned it upfront instead of playing stupid games.

In any case it doesn't matter, hypogonadal males can still be AGP. Everything you wrote before physical development came up was exactly what AGPs in denial about being AGP always write.
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>>41683153
>hsts are proud to larp as non-gay
really makes u think
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>>41683159
>>41683222
The autohebephilic writing style is also something that AGPs trying to fake being HSTS frequently do.
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>>41683240
why would I have mentioned it up front? you're on a rhetorical crusade completely unrelated to my post. You're treating me like a hypothetical.
My point is that under blanchtardist typology, I would be classed as hsts. I date men exclusively, have srs, and am not aroused when in non-sexual female adjacent scenarios. I come from a progressive area and was always encouraged to be myself, homophobia was not a driving factor, I simply felt extreme discomfort in being male, there was no positive counterpart for this in my experience of femininity. I lack agp.
>>41683272
nothing about my writing style is autohebephilic, I am 22 years old, I type the same way as all of my cis female friends.
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>>41683240
maybe i wasn't clear here (>>41683326)
I am presenting a rejection of blanchardist typology. I would be classified as hsts behaviorally but my only driving motivator was dysphoric emotions about my sex
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>>41683338
>I would be classified as hsts behaviorally
bullshit
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>>41683348
I was feminine from an early age, insistent in my convictions that I was female, am not attracted to women, transitioned at an early age, and attempt to assimilate as a heterosexual female. what am i missing here?
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>>41683326
Having been called out on trying to imitate a teenager's writing style, you're now writing like an adult. Congratulations.

You were successful as a gay man. The only possible motivation for your transition is therefore autogynephilic. You confirm it when you say you felt extreme discomfort in being male.

You having been encouraged to be yourself and not faced homophobia is a further nail in the coffin of your claim not to be AGP. HSTS face relentless bullying and ostracism.
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>>41683374
words words words
>what am I missing
a fagcent
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>>41683399
AGPs always do this. They say all the AGP things and later try to backpedal.

Every troon claims to have been feminine from a young age. It means nothing. Blanchard himself wrote:

>It is not clear whether, or at what age, these children explicitly
>formulate the wish to be female. Adult homosexual gender dysphorics
>frequently date such wishes to earliest conscious awareness, but such
>retrospective reports cannot be assumed to be valid.

Now that everybody knows about the typology, everybody claims to have been feminine from a young age.
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>>41683391
I've been writing in different styles this whole time based on the tone keke, you are grasping at STRAWS.
>You were successful as a gay man. The only possible motivation for your transition is therefore autogynephilic
typical moid sexbrain. no you fucking retard, my motivation was that i had NEGATIVE feelings about my body. it is possible to desire something about yourself physically for reasons unrelated to sex and it seems very obvious that you cannot comprehend that
>HSTS face relentless bullying and ostracism.
I was bullied at school and stuff, i'm talking about at home. my parents were liberals. The flaw in basing your psychiatric rhetoric on generally rejected research from 40 years ago is that it's going to be very difficult to apply cleanly to modern cases. how strange!!
>>41683399
https://voca.ro/1l3ZyKAwVvpu
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It's hilarious to see HSTS keep dividing themselves with these purity tests. What's next I wonder
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>>41683777
the point was that I was rejecting hsts as being even conceptually applicable kek, you guys suffer from very intense rigidity for this headspace. If you were to just pick a different disgraced psychologist to focus on it would totally upend everything you think.
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>>41683447
>my motivation was that i had NEGATIVE feelings about my body
Because you're an AUTOGYNEPHILE.
>it is possible to desire something about yourself physically for reasons unrelated to sex
Cross-dressers of old would describe spending hours getting dressed up, doing their hair, and putting on makeup, then claim it was in order to "relax." You are describing the same underlying phenomenon in yourself.

See https://anonymouslytranssexual.substack.com/p/not-with-a-woman-but-as-a-woman

You wrote:
>I was bullied at school and stuff, i'm talking about at home. my parents were liberals
Yet you previously wrote:
>I come from a progressive area and was always encouraged to be myself
More backpedaling, more story-changing.
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>>41683803
>AUTOGYNEPHILE
in the framework you're operating with, this term very specifically describes a male who is attracted to the idea and visual of himself as a female. I am describing how i experienced discordant feelings about my male sex (if only there was a term for this, oh wait... SEX DYSPHORIA). I have at no point mentioned any form of sexual arousal from female adjacent experiences or the visual of myself as female because it is not something i experience
>you are describing the same underlying phenomenon in yourself.
I am not, that is an example of a passive writeoff excuse ("oh no, it's not a sex thing, it's just an activity i use to wind down!"), i am very actively telling you that it caused me great distress to be male.
>You wrote:
>>I was bullied at school and stuff, i'm talking about at home. my parents were liberals
>Yet you previously wrote:
>>I come from a progressive area and was always encouraged to be myself
>More backpedaling, more story-changing.
This is consistent, visibly queer children from progressive areas still experience bullying from their peers. I feel it's quite obvious from the phrasing "encouraged" that I was referring to the authority figures in my life
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>>41682901
>if... why...
because you don't matter and there's no explaining stupid or mentally ill
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>>41683958
awesome arbitrary statement that changes nothing whether true of false, buddy!



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