What's the ftm equivalent of the "failed male" kink? Specifically with the emphasis on the birth sex but not being a feminization thing.
>>41684579But FtM already have "failed male" kink.Not that it's everyone (or even common at all)But there are definitely ftm with like a feminization/sissy kink
>>41684579Probably the forced impregnation thing. You can't really insult or demean masculinity,
>>41684579Hm well I was told I had no choice to poon out or id be an ugly cishon so maybe something like that like saying oh youd be such an ugly woman you were made to be trans
Just go to ftmspunishedCome and see OP
>>41684579"I'm a scary, ugly beast that's almost bursting out of my own skin"?
>>41684672>>41684677>>41684688I am asking for the exact opposite of that.NOT feminization
>>41684579It doesn’t exist since ftm is a real medical condition, not a psychosis/fetish like mtt.Hope that helps
>>41684695De-masculinization isn't feminization tho?The spirit behind it is different One is about making you a womanThe other about rejecting you being a man
>>41684697Explain why I get off to being called a dyke then
>>41684579Uh well there's 'forcemasc" on Tumblr but that tends to be more encouragement to transition than really super fetishistic like sissy stuff is.
>>41684695Well it doesn't, exist is my point. Masculinity can't be insulted.
>>41684710Same I thought I was alone In This
>>41684710AGP
>>41684579"you're going to become a big, strong man for me"?
>>41684727The masculine connotations of dyke are important
>>41684579doesnt work the same way because femininity is passive/submissive and masculinity is active/dominantso to get into the opposite of the failed male for an ftm, he would need to perform rather than be receptive to something
>>41684579most people are submissive. it is not the equivalent but in terms of kink ftms want to be treated like a girl. or if they don't want to be misgendered they would just want to be treated like a girl and bed and play pretend as a manthere is some extermely niche masculinization or foreced masculinization kink for ftms on like Tumblr. i have no idea how this is erotic, but it does exist. i don't find it genuine and think it is just reactionary to the other ftm porn that existswomen read porn more than wathc it usually, so like not the equivalent but other porn endemic to ftms that involves gender dynamics would be on like ao3. a/b/o does eroticize masculiniry sometimes, but it is more psychologically about dom/sub themes. as women, ftms would be more interested in the overall relationship and sexual dominance dynamics rather than projecting themselves onto sexual dominance. if someone is genuinely dominant, you are usually making something else erotic that is not yourself. for example stone top dykes do not want to be touched during sex, and they are at thte most masculine point of their gender
>>41684672Well that’s pretty stupid
>>41684672this is actually really interesting, i forgot about the failed male ftm thing. what does it say that this fantasy is common to both groups?
I want to forcemasc a ftm. I've been too scared to talk about it though. >t. cis wink
>>41684992bottoms are women
>>41685004but are women "failed males?"
>>41685014some ancient philosophers thought so, but they also had gay sex with little boys all the time
>>41685002>doing exactly what they wantthats not forcing anything, anon.
>>41685020yeah ancient greece isn't as woke as one might think socrates was a gigapedophile no wonder they got tired of him
>>41685020I could agree with this to the extent that it reveals something about the fundamental structure of patriarchy. It also speaks to a kind of universal penis envy/fear of castration, which affects everyone regardless of "sex" or gender. Total gender abolitionist victory.
>>41684732you're going to become a wagie while I sit around at home on my ass all day and you need to do the chores and fix the garage door
>>41685099There's just that persistent hatred of femininity, that view that all feminine people are inferior. Heteronormative fucking bullshit like >>41684837
>>41685002Tell us more
>>41684992That both are men with male sexuality
>>41685395>Heteronormativelol
I want a man to tell me I'm not enough for him, that I have to work for it. Twink who looks fit but only does cardio who won't let me speak to him unless I can speak with greater confidence. Won't let me hit unless I'm fit. Doesn't guide me, but is enthusiastic, and wants me to perform well. If I don't I get the curb. This is what I want from forcemasc.
Bump
>>41684690Why do ftms then get raped more than anyone, seems like a cope>>41685034Ancient greece was full of men with fragile masculinity. They were scared of persians cause they bathed, used perfume and pants. Greek men were constantly scared of appearing feminine and gay. They hated other nations that did not enslave their women. Greek ladies would run off to live with steppe people cause ancient greece was such an opressive horseshit
>>41684992That society considers maleness a success, so any percieved deviation from or inability to perform a "proper" maleness is considered a failed or shameful state. It's basically the same kink between ftms and mtfs in that it's seen as a disempowerment and form of degradation.
>>41684579there was a story (probably BS) about a guy who wanted to get a job a some company in the sales department or something, but the interviewers told him that they only hired women to work in the office, and men to work on the manufacturing plant.when he was leaving, he saw the men in the manufacturing plant. they were all sweaty and dirty, while the women in the office had air conditioning and comfy chairsso it could be like that, treating men like work beasts while the women are girlbosses in pretty offices
>>41685413this guy gets it
>>41684579For me both ftms and mtfs are failed males, which is why I'm attracted to them. In the case of ftm's, the angle comes from bullying them about their failed attempts to become a real man and the standards they are incapable of ever meeting, and in the case of mtf's it comes from exposing their 'transition' as a coping mechanism for the fact that they are just a failed male who doesn't want to accept his reality. I have a bit more respect for ftm's because they are at least trying to be less of a fag but I still love abusing them psychologically and physically <3
>>41684579You don't see this very often because>Force masc attracts less people overall. The content can be kind of gay, even if it is "straight".>Force masc content requires more creativity to pull a larger audience. Larger audience = more content.And creativity is hard to come by... People tend to gravitate towards what is familiar. And what's familiar is femininity = submissive and masculinity = dominant.
>>41686897Devastating, crushing my dreams of being able to find a coherent framework to slot my thing for being called a butch and a dyke into, and thus being able to find fap material
>>41684977Irrelevant womanbrained babbling. Go munch carpet elsewhere.>>41684837>>41686897Correct.>>41685099>>41685395As long as you continue trying to interpret everything through the lens of the cis woman's victim narrative, you will continue failing to understand.The forcefem kink depends on femininity being developed by interaction with others. Femininity grows and ripens within the cocoon of affirming social interaction, even if that process takes on the superficial mask of the loss of masculinity. Masculinity, by contrast, is only recognized as legitimate if it is also recognized as primordial, and can only be lost or disproven.I'm not saying it's good that it's this way, nor am I saying that it has to be this way, I'm just describing the society in which we live.
I feel like forcemasc ought to have interesting implications with gooning/general loss of sexual power over oneself. e.g. "take test and jerk off all day because you can't control yourself, you don't have any dignity, all you want is to be emptyheaded and cum over and over"But that's just my dispassionate observation as an emm tee eff.
>>41685002>Bro striderYou are spiritually a pooner
>>41689488Correct. Orcification is hot.
>>41684579I knew a femrepper who's fetishistic obsession was "ruining her cute girl body with testosterone" and just generally pretty girls become hairy men. I havent heard from her in a while though I know she got diy T but "didn't plan on using it". She might have pooned out by now.
>>41686618>Greek ladies would run offMy favorite story in that vein is the one about ancient Swedes being so popular with British women during Viking times they would rush to the port and fucking jump into Viking boats. All because Vikings bathed, washed their clothes, and styled their hair.
